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Borror0

01-09-2010, 01:40 AM

Great news guys, the wiki is up! (http://ddowiki.com/) Obviously, it's missing the Update 2 stuff so give us a few days for that. ;)

First, I would like to apologize to the community for being offline for so long. It's all my fault. I should have been more clever and kept my own copy of the backups, no matter how reliable my host is. Had I done that, the wiki would have not been down for so long. Sorry. I've taken precautions so that such a thing does not ever happen again.

Secondly, I would like to thank the community for the overwhelming support. I stopped counting the offers to host it for free when I get a hold of the data and the offers to donate so that I don't have to spend a single penny, if the reason for the downtime was monetary. So much, in fact, that my PM box kept overflowing. I was expecting incessant insults for my utter stupidity and incompetence. What I instead got was never ending word encourage me, thanks and positive reputation coming my way.

Thanks, to all of you, for your support.

Finally, I'd like to ask you all feedback about the wiki. While the wiki was down, a few other wikis showed up to try to fill the place taken by the DDOwiki and there were discussions about moving the information over to the Compendium. However, the overall reaction by the community was to strongly oppose those other alternatives. Now, this is great news to me because it means you like what we do. However, it does not tell me what you like about the DDOwiki over those alternatives.

I would greatly appreciate if you would take the time to tell us what you like and dislike about the wiki. Both are important. If I don't know what you like, I might end up altering it. If I don't know what you dislike, I can't fix it. If there is something another wiki you know does that you'd like us to do, let us know.

Once again, sorry for having been down for so long,
Borror0

Aranticus

01-09-2010, 01:40 AM

ibtl!

wait wrong thread....

FauxSho

01-09-2010, 01:51 AM

Hooray!

Thanks Borror0!

BLAKROC

01-09-2010, 01:52 AM

/cheer and /golfclap;)

Shassa

01-09-2010, 01:53 AM

Yay! Thank you for your continued hard work on this.

The search field doesn't seem to be working though, it produces a field error with a bunch of gibberish (well code, really). Once it gets working again, it may be nice to make it a bit more conspicuous too. It's small, unlabelled and quite unnoticable for the first-timer.

Thanks again for making the site happen.

Borror0

01-09-2010, 02:00 AM

The search field doesn't seem to be working though, it produces a field error with a bunch of gibberish (well code, really).
Fixed.

Once it gets working again, it may be nice to make it a bit more conspicuous too. It's small, unlabelled and quite unnoticable for the first-timer.
Trust me, that is very high ranked in my list of things to do. Thing is, the guy who started the wiki (aka Elliot) had a little of "fun" with the code altered in many ways. This makes it really hard for us to upgrade MediaWiki versions or change the skin, both which would help addressing the problem.

But, I would really like it to become a reality.

cdbd3rd

01-09-2010, 02:03 AM

/Hears echoes of silent roar of applause fading away....

Ah, so that's what woke me up. :)

Welcome back, B.

:)

Visty

01-09-2010, 02:03 AM

YAY, now i can do adq again, cause the solutions are up again :)

kudos to the new hamsters

ProdigalGuru

01-09-2010, 02:03 AM

Awesome.

Invaluable resource, ESPECIALLY for new players.

techwench

01-09-2010, 02:13 AM

Yay!

What I love about the wiki is that there's so dang much information on it. Content is king. And your wiki is definitely the king among all things DDO.

Having said that, however, I really dislike the default wiki look (wikipedia annoys me, too, with its interface)...but that's the nature of wikis, I suppose. I don't know how the wiki interface could be changed to make it better, just because wikis have a certain structure that really can't be changed much other than simple skinning (I think that's where the compendium got it right...but that's about the only thing good about it, is that it fits the rest of the site's themes - content is sorely lacking in the compendium).

Anyway, aesthetics is just a teeny tiny minuscule issue. I can deal. But the information contained is invaluable, and I'm glad you got it back up!

sephiroth1084

01-09-2010, 02:15 AM

And there was much rejoicing... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enSYlCEz5VI)

Dawnsfire

01-09-2010, 02:58 AM

And there is much rejoicing :)

sephiroth1084

01-09-2010, 03:20 AM

And there is much rejoicing :)
Biter! :mad::p

Braegan

01-09-2010, 03:28 AM

glad to see the info is available to players once again, w00t!

Anneliese

01-09-2010, 03:59 AM

Awesome, thank you !

KayJMM

01-09-2010, 04:29 AM

*hugs Borror0*

Please, dont go away!!!!

*cries of happiness*

dunklezhan

01-09-2010, 06:13 AM

*Kneels on the floor*

We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

*stands up again*

But you sir, very much are worthy. Thanks SO much for all your work to replace this resource, it is much appreciated by me, and clearly by a great many other people.

Dandonk

01-09-2010, 06:15 AM

Great work, thank you for bringing it back Borror. /salute

Thorin2001

01-09-2010, 07:07 AM

Finally!
Thank you very much for your dedicated work, Borror0!
Wiki back up? Everyone rejoice!

Babumbalaboo

01-09-2010, 07:43 AM

Good stuff. You da bomb!

Maxelcat

01-09-2010, 10:09 AM

YAY!

/happydance

Quikster

01-09-2010, 10:22 AM

Thanks B!

I was not in support of new wikis because I'm loyal. You have put in a lot of work over an extended period of time on the wiki. You have been very loyal to us in keeping it going for a while now.

I in turn felt you deserved the same loyalty from us. Giving you a little time to get it up and running again was the least I could do to support you.

So keep up the good work B :D

DagazUlf

01-09-2010, 10:39 AM

goblean

01-09-2010, 10:46 AM

Thank goodness. Now I can resume sending newbies there for answers.

Newbie: I am missing a rare, where is it?
Newbie: How do I craft?

Normally I would link to the wiki, but when it was down. . .

Sirea

01-09-2010, 10:47 AM

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/sirea1182/yay.jpg

Awesome news!

Captain_Wizbang

01-09-2010, 10:52 AM

Thanks Boro,
Your Wiki is the source for 20 or more links I have on my website!
Im not being selfish, Im GRATEFUL

Please read this post http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=223718

Caine52184

01-09-2010, 10:54 AM

YAY...I missed it :). Great job

Caine52184

01-09-2010, 10:55 AM

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/sirea1182/yay.jpg

Awesome news!

LOL perfect

Missing_Minds

01-09-2010, 11:06 AM

You never tried to force bannerware on us or make a profit on us like that one guy attempted to do.

I will grant you a quick lookup bar would be nice. (But I'm betting some firefox add in can be made or the like.)

The compendium, while nice, gets updates of half baked ideas and doesn't seem to get corrected as fast as it really should be done. The Wiki had only stuff that was currently in the game.

The layout of the wiki compared to that of the compendium never felt squished due to style formatting. The formatting style may have been old school looking, but it worked well and is what I'm used to.

moorewr

01-09-2010, 11:11 AM

Hip hip hurray!

ddoer

01-09-2010, 01:32 PM

thx. so good that i don't need to dig into the google cache for the wiki content anymore.

Borror0

01-09-2010, 01:37 PM

thx. so good that i don't need to dig into the google cache for the wiki content anymore.
There still was DDOwiki stuff in Google Cache?

Talking about Google, I would appreciate it if you linked a little more heavily to the wiki this week. Since the wiki has been for a little over a month, a wide number of new players might have never read it at all so you'll be introducing them to it and it'll help me climb back as the #1 for "DDOwiki" on Google.

Memnir

01-09-2010, 01:38 PM

Excellent! :)

Beherit_Baphomar

01-09-2010, 01:41 PM

Dang it!

Is it too late to throw out the insults for being so incompetant and utterly stupid?

Good to have ya back Bor.

dopey69

01-09-2010, 01:47 PM

Bronko

01-09-2010, 01:49 PM

Borror0, you rock. Thank you again for all your hard work and I hope the measly +1 rep I can issue is enough.

Borror0

01-09-2010, 01:54 PM

Is it too late to throw out the insults for being so incompetant and utterly stupid?
Nope. Go ahead and have fun!

Mockduck

01-09-2010, 02:42 PM

Yay!

What I love about the wiki is that there's so dang much information on it. Content is king. And your wiki is definitely the king among all things DDO.
*snip*

Exactly! Great to hear the Wiki's back up! Efforts like this are best when cumulative, and over time the DDOWiki has become the best source for DDO info on the net.

I'd personally like a somewhat more graphical interface with the Wiki, but I can live with whatever is there. As said, content remains king!

I will say that your problems with the Wiki made me finally take action to prevent a similar thing in the future on DDOcast. I'd not had a total backup of my web site made, and your problems spurred me to action....

Borror0

01-09-2010, 02:58 PM

I'd personally like a somewhat more graphical interface with the Wiki, but I can live with whatever is there.
Heh. Trust me, I dislike the wiki's as well. But, you know, those are my issues. I'd love to know what are yours.

For example, what do you think that Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page), Wikia (http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Main) and the DDO Compendium (http://compendium.ddo.com/) does right that we don't or, in the reverse, what to they do wrong that you want us to avoid? That's the kind of things that would really help me was I to update the skin.

Aspenor

01-09-2010, 02:59 PM

Die borr

Borror0

01-09-2010, 03:00 PM

Die borr
+1 rep

Mockduck

01-09-2010, 03:33 PM

Heh. Trust me, I dislike the wiki's as well. But, you know, those are my issues. I'd love to know what are yours.

For example, what do you think that Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page), Wikia (http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Main) and the DDO Compendium (http://compendium.ddo.com/) does right that we don't or, in the reverse, what to they do wrong that you want us to avoid? That's the kind of things that would really help me was I to update the skin.

Personally, I am a real "physical" interactor with web sites and computer stuff. I prefer Adobe Audition over ProTools for audio recording because it has a real "cut, drag the file and place it" interface over a more advanced but less intuitive interface.

I'd like to be able to "dig" through the DDO Wiki better. Sort of like expanding trees of info showing up on one page, able to head down different paths through tons of links as my search narrows.

I'd also like an easier search tool. Otherwise, more graphics showing items, armor, weapons and that kind of thing. Kind of a mix between the current Wiki and the Compendium: The depth and deepness of the Wiki with the skin and visual interactivity of the Compendium.

I am also not very smart when it comes to editing. I tried doing a DDOcast edit on the Wiki and couldn't quite figure out how to do what I wanted to. I'm used to a forum-like interface for updating web content, as that's what the host for DDOcast uses. Ya know, "add image", "add link" that kind of thing.

Overall, though, I don't find the Wiki difficult to use, so this is more nit-picky than anything.

MalakRevan

01-09-2010, 03:35 PM

Borror your my hero!

Gnorbert

01-09-2010, 03:40 PM

YAY! Bravo! I just became less productive at work again...

<.<

>.>

:D

Borror0

01-09-2010, 03:54 PM

I'd also like an easier search tool.
That will come with the newer MediaWiki version. We're lagging quite behind because it's such a pain to do it, but Ken really wants to get that done (and so do I). It's more a matter of when Ken will have enough time to undo all of Elliott's weird hacks to MediaWiki.

The depth and deepness of the Wiki
By that I assume you mean "greater quantity of content" and "accuracy" or am I understanding you incorrectly?

I am also not very smart when it comes to editing. I tried doing a DDOcast edit on the Wiki and couldn't quite figure out how to do what I wanted to. I'm used to a forum-like interface for updating web content, as that's what the host for DDOcast uses. Ya know, "add image", "add link" that kind of thing.
There is already an editing toolbar at the top of the editing box:
http://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_bold.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_italic.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_link.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_extlink.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_headline.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_image.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_media.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_math.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_nowiki.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_sig.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_hr.png

Do you mean that the problem is that it's too small and that you've missed it or that you want a What You See Is What You Get (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG) option so that you see what it gives without needing to press "preview" or needing to deal with the Wiki Markup? If it's the latter, there are a few extensions (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:WYSIWYG_extensions) that could get that done. I would just need to look them up to see which is best.

Mockduck

01-09-2010, 04:09 PM

That will come with the newer MediaWiki version. We're lagging quite behind because it's such a pain to do it, but Ken really wants to get that done (and so do I). It's more a matter of when Ken will have enough time to undo all of Elliott's weird hacks to MediaWiki.

By that I assume you mean "greater quantity of content" and "accuracy" or am I understanding you incorrectly?

There is already an editing toolbar at the top of the editing box:
http://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_bold.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_italic.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_link.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_extlink.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_headline.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_image.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_media.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_math.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_nowiki.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_sig.pnghttp://ddowiki.com/skins/common/images/button_hr.png

Do you mean that the problem is that it's too small and that you've missed it or that you want a What You See Is What You Get (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG) option so that you see what it gives without needing to press "preview" or needing to deal with the Wiki Markup? If it's the latter, there are a few extensions (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:WYSIWYG_extensions) that could get that done. I would just need to look them up to see which is best.

Indeed, I did mean quality and amount of content and accuracy.

I think my big confusion is the Wiki Markup stuff, I don't understand some of that. I'm a real WYSIWYG type editor.

Borror0

01-09-2010, 04:15 PM

By the way, thanks for all the positive reps:
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/Borror0/DDOwikirep.jpg

If you have more to spend, check out these guys too: yk49 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=176176), Corebreach (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=204399), UltraMonk2 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=2598380#post2598380), darkchilde326 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=212338) and cyanpill (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=2638444#post2638444). They are all valuable wiki editors who already got back to work, less than 24 hours after the wiki got back up. Their contribution is invaluable. The wiki would not be where it is without them.

I think my big confusion is the Wiki Markup stuff, I don't understand some of that. I'm a real WYSIWYG type editor.
Okay. I'll try to find a good WYSIWYG extension and then try to install it.

krud

01-09-2010, 04:33 PM

yaaaaaaaaAay!

darkchilde326

01-09-2010, 04:55 PM

yey! great job guys! so excited to edit again
and to those who complain abt the lack of consolidated info for DDO...
CONTRIBUTE to ddowiki... instead of whining abt it in the forums ;)

Razcar

01-09-2010, 08:54 PM

If you have more to spend, check out these guys too: yk49 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=176176), Corebreach (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=204399), UltraMonk2 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=2598380#post2598380), darkchilde326 (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=212338) and cyanpill (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=2638444#post2638444). They are all valuable wiki editors who already got back to work, less than 24 hours after the wiki got back up. Their contribution is invaluable. The wiki would not be where it is without them.
Ok repped all of them. But not you you have enough ;) (ran out)
Thanks for the great work guys.

woundead85

01-09-2010, 09:08 PM

Good having this great resource back! Reps to all the main editors.

Zippo

01-09-2010, 09:15 PM

Great news guys, the wiki is up! (http://ddowiki.com/) Obviously, it's missing the Update 2 stuff so give us a few days for that. ;)

<cut for brevity>

Once again, sorry for having been down for so long,
Borror0

Ohhh did someone finally replace the rotting hamster that died a while back???

Borror0

01-09-2010, 09:19 PM

Ohhh did someone finally replace the rotting hamster that died a while back???
Ya. This hamsters seems fancier, though, and will probably cost more per month.

THAC0

01-09-2010, 09:25 PM

That is great news. And, look forward to using it again. As far as input... I'll see what I can offer up after I get back in there to find info for quests!

T.

ohsobrainless

01-09-2010, 09:26 PM

/cheer2

cyanpill

01-10-2010, 02:28 AM

Ok repped all of them. But not you you have enough ;) (ran out)
Thanks for the great work guys.

Thanks for the rep... and thanks to Borror0 for super-sizing me on the wiki o.O

edit: by which I meant, thanks for making me a super-user

Borror0

01-10-2010, 03:02 AM

Thanks for the rep... and thanks to Borror0 for super-sizing me on the wiki o.O
Super-sizing?

KayJMM

01-10-2010, 08:07 AM

I am so happy that I had to add something to my sig... ^_^

THAC0

01-10-2010, 03:28 PM

Great news guys, the wiki is up! (http://ddowiki.com/)
Finally, I'd like to ask you all feedback about the wiki. While the wiki was down, a few other wikis showed up to try to fill the place taken by the DDOwiki and there were discussions about moving the information over to the Compendium. However, the overall reaction by the community was to strongly oppose those other alternatives. Now, this is great news to me because it means you like what we do. However, it does not tell me what you like about the DDOwiki over those alternatives.

I would greatly appreciate if you would take the time to tell us what you like and dislike about the wiki. Both are important. If I don't know what you like, I might end up altering it. If I don't know what you dislike, I can't fix it. If there is something another wiki you know does that you'd like us to do, let us know.

Once again, sorry for having been down for so long,
Borror0

I set up an account there 'Thac0' (whatelse would I be there?! :) ) and will add some images that I have which the site is missing. Content too eventually. I'll do what I can to help out!

BDS

01-10-2010, 03:36 PM

Thanks for bringing it back, it is an invaluable resource especially for newer players like myself. +1 rep.

rimble

01-10-2010, 03:43 PM

Finally, I'd like to ask you all feedback about the wiki. While the wiki was down, a few other wikis showed up to try to fill the place taken by the DDOwiki and there were discussions about moving the information over to the Compendium. However, the overall reaction by the community was to strongly oppose those other alternatives. Now, this is great news to me because it means you like what we do. However, it does not tell me what you like about the DDOwiki over those alternatives.

I would greatly appreciate if you would take the time to tell us what you like and dislike about the wiki. Both are important. If I don't know what you like, I might end up altering it. If I don't know what you dislike, I can't fix it. If there is something another wiki you know does that you'd like us to do, let us know.

I don't like the Compendium layout. The little scroll box things don't always work right, and the viewable area in the subsections is small. Some of the larger enhancements (like PrEs) sometimes don't even fit in the viewable area of those scroll boxes. I'm a big fan of simple web pages, don't need widgets, scroll boxes, whatever.

I also haven't forgotten the forum purge, and so I have some concerns about what priority preserving the user submitted data would have for them.

Finally, since the Compendium is updated regularly from game files, I just have some concern about user submitted data being overwritten or deleted due to something from their regular update process.

Borror0

01-10-2010, 03:55 PM

I don't like the Compendium layout.
What bugs me the most with it is how they either overload a page information.

Well, that and the color red. :p I'd kill for a cold color to replace the red.

The little scroll box things don't always work right, and the viewable area in the subsections is small.
Got an example of that?

Finally, since the Compendium is updated regularly from game files, I just have some concern about user submitted data being overwritten or deleted due to something from their regular update process.
I had that concern too but it seems Turbine found a way to update their information without overwriting what we wrote. I have absolutely no idea how they managed that (hi, Duwis) but it works. Take a look at the Evasion entry (http://compendium.ddo.com/index.php?title=Feat:Evasion&action=history) if you need confirmation.

rimble

01-10-2010, 04:08 PM

Got an example of that?

Any of the larger PrE entries do it for me:

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6332/smallbox.jpg

Just kinda annoying to have to scoot the box up a little, down a little, back and forth while you're doing some build planning.

As for them 'not working right', sometimes the last item on a list is only partially viewable, and you can't scroll down any further. I'll try and remember to update here if I see that again.

I had that concern too but it seems Turbine found a way to update their information without overwriting what we wrote. I have absolutely no idea how they managed that (hi, Duwis) but it works. Take a look at the Evasion entry (http://compendium.ddo.com/index.php?title=Feat:Evasion&action=history) if you need confirmation.

Yeah, I know...I'm a Unix SysAdmin, and that was just the paranoid in me talking. These sort of global updates from files usually are great, until something goes just a tiny bit off, then they globally screw everything up. The more you fiddle with a data set the more opportunity to mess it up, especially with global 'reload from scratch' type fiddling.

Borror0

01-10-2010, 04:18 PM

Any of the larger PrE entries do it for me:
I'm not a fan of how they did the class pages. Too much information, too much fluff that makes pages harder to load.

I much prefer how we do the class pages (though there still is improvements for us in that department).

Yeah, I know...I'm a Unix SysAdmin, and that was just the paranoid in me talking. These sort of global updates from files usually are great, until something goes just a tiny bit off, then they globally screw everything up. The more you fiddle with a data set the more opportunity to mess it up, especially with global 'reload from scratch' type fiddling.
In the worse of all cases, it's still a wiki. The information is still in the History of the page and can be retrieved in seconds.

LordRavnos

01-10-2010, 08:14 PM

First of all I love the wiki, thanks for putting so much work into it.

Ok I love the information on the wiki, but one thing that bugs me is the how looking at class or race enhancements each race/class has its own way of showing the information. Example Halflings have it listed by enhancement names, while humans have it listed by level. Meanwhile Dwarfs are by level by have icons and such added as well. I much prefer to have it all the same, preferably by level, or even better is there a way to give us the option to sort by level or name? I love using the wiki to plan a level ahead and it can get diffucult to find out when I have to manually sort through them looking for the level I want. Not something important, just something I would love to see.

jsaving

01-10-2010, 08:20 PM

There are two things I really like about ddowiki that don't apply to the official site. One is that the statistical information at ddowiki is more accurate, for example when it gives spell points per level instead of the woefully outdated spell-slot tables at the Compendium. Two is that the strategic and analytical content at ddowiki is much better thought out, for example pointing out that charisma is not the be-all and end-all for the favored soul.

I have nothing against the Compendium and hope it will one day rectify these inadequacies and become a great wiki instead of merely a decent one, but for now at least, ddowiki beats it hands-down -- in my opinion at least.

RangerOne

01-10-2010, 09:13 PM

Thanks. I'm not sure I could have lasted much longer.

TheDoctor

01-10-2010, 11:00 PM

Thank all that is good and holy.....

rimble

01-11-2010, 10:41 AM

As for them 'not working right', sometimes the last item on a list is only partially viewable, and you can't scroll down any further. I'll try and remember to update here if I see that again.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4910/windowcutoff.jpg

It's like the box didn't finish loading (this is Level 7 Wizard spells), there is that spell, and two more after it.

After clicking on it and going to the Symbol of Stunning details page, I hit Back, which took that window back to displaying level 1 spells (also very annoying, all those windows get reloaded back to the first choice all the time). When I hit the level 7 button again after that I could view all the spells.

Lostara

01-11-2010, 03:24 PM

Wow.... as a new player, I was starting to think the wiki was a myth! lol :)

BigPoppaPump

01-12-2010, 06:42 PM

I can assure you that DDOwiki was sorely missed by my playing group and I. It was definitely the definitive resource during my start in DDO.

Sneakee

01-12-2010, 06:47 PM

Mondo kudos!!!

Khorban

01-13-2010, 07:22 AM

I would like to say that having found DDOwiki has made my DDO Experience incredible. Not only have I been able to learn the aspects of the game, but also how to 'build a better char' without the use of the 'cookie cutter builders'. It was an awesome work that was sorely missed.

Thanks for the hard work and 1000 Thanks for working to get it back online.

....There ain't no wiki like the DDOwiki cause the DDOwiki JUST ROCKS....

Karranor

01-13-2010, 09:01 AM

Glad you got this beast back up! This is such a great resource and the thought of losing this was not a happy one!

Thanks for all the hard work getting the WIKI back up!

Socialized

01-13-2010, 11:33 AM

No apologies necessary! You've given the whole community an incredible service, one that was sorely missed in it's absence. We all owe you a debt of grattitude, and I suspect Turbine does too. Thank you and great work. Keep it up!

KayJMM

01-13-2010, 05:01 PM

Everytime i see this thread, i just feel I HAVE to come here and say:

THANKS FOR GETTING DDOWIKI UP AGAIN!!!!

We Loooove you and your awesome wiki! Its my starting page on the browser!

stockwizard5

01-13-2010, 05:08 PM

Can we get a (mirror | alt address | whatever) without the word "wiki" in it?

moorewr

01-13-2010, 05:09 PM

Can we get a mirror without the word "wiki" in it?

MirrorWIKI MiirrorWIKI on the wall
Who contributes the most of all?

Borror0

01-13-2010, 05:12 PM

Can we get a (mirror | alt address | whatever) without the word "wiki" in it?
I'm not sure I understand the request Maels.

BattleCircle

01-13-2010, 05:15 PM

Can we get a (mirror | alt address | whatever) without the word "wiki" in it?

not sure why you would need a mirror since there is nothing to download.... Unless (wiki) is blocked at your work place or something.

rimble

01-14-2010, 08:06 AM

Here's another fun one, Level 6 Warforged Enhancements, the top of the list is populated with 10 or so blank lines:

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/3669/wflevel6enh.jpg

I don't know, their system is just unnecessarily fancy, which I think makes it prone to problems.

Borror0

01-14-2010, 08:17 AM

I don't know, their system is just unnecessarily fancy, which I think makes it prone to problems.
I agree. I think they tried to solve the problem of "our pages are too big and require too much scrolling down" by adding that fancy stuff rather, you know, make their page smaller and just direct players to pages that cover the topic more thoroughly like Wikipedia and the DDOwiki do.

moorewr

01-14-2010, 08:17 AM

Sirea

01-14-2010, 08:22 AM

That's the Turbine official DDO Compendium.. this thread is about the player-run site http://ddowiki.com

I think he was merely pointing out the flaws in Turbine's Compendium which makes DDOWiki superior.

Gercho

01-14-2010, 08:23 AM

Any chance of a mirror for the wiki? its ip blocked at work :(

Borror0

01-14-2010, 08:28 AM

That's the Turbine official DDO Compendium.. this thread is about the player-run site http://ddowiki.com
I asked, in the OP, for what we did right that Turbine does wrong (and vise versa).

oberon131313

01-15-2010, 12:44 AM

I'm not sure I understand the request Maels.

sounds like his Proxy has "wiki" filtered.

Dexol

01-15-2010, 06:30 AM

/cheer, Great news to see it back up!:)

I'm know we all appreciated the work you put into it.

And i'm likeing the new genetically modified sports hampster making the site run way smoother that b4!!!

ArkoHighStar

01-15-2010, 06:36 AM

missed this somehow congrats

dogpig00

01-15-2010, 12:10 PM

Currently, the ddowiki is missing many very important information, such as:

paladin prestige enhancements
fighter prestige enhancements

It would be best if these can be included. I believe they have been out for a long time.

Also there are many small mistakes in spell informations, such as whether the spell has spell resistance/save. I will do my best in fixing these.

KayJMM

01-15-2010, 02:36 PM

I know... I know that I already said this... But everytime i see this thread, my heart bumps...

I just cant stay away from the Wiki... I always play with it open... its just like it is my "personal" second sight... a guidance direct from the Divine Gods of Eberron!

transtemporal

01-15-2010, 02:48 PM

Nice one Bor, you rock!

NXPlasmid

01-15-2010, 03:56 PM

Woot!

nevyn.

01-16-2010, 08:33 AM

The wiki was sorely missed- so glad it's up and running again. looked at some other 'help' sites while u was down and none was as good as the wiki, the reason? - your's has just got so much more detailed info than the others, and getting that info is very straightforward.
A BIG THANKYOU

Borror0

01-17-2010, 11:16 AM

Yay! We're back as the #1 result for "DDOwiki" in Google.

MsEricka

01-19-2010, 04:54 AM

Glad it's back up and running, I hope you found yourself some reliable hosting.

And now that it's back up, would you be interested (as others have asked) in a mirror? I offered you hosting when this first started and would be happy to host a mirror with either it's own domain, a subdomain of yours or both.

Please let me know.

cipher_nemo4

01-19-2010, 08:40 AM

And now that it's back up, would you be interested (as others have asked) in a mirror? I offered you hosting when this first started and would be happy to host a mirror with either it's own domain, a subdomain of yours or both.

Please let me know.

I second that!! Borror0, thank you for all you've done with it so far. To avoid something like this from happening again, I hope you're going to make back-up copies of the entire wiki? And to prevent downtime, could we get it mirrored somewhere else too?

Thanks! :D

Borror0

01-19-2010, 08:41 AM

I second that!! Borror0, thank you for all you've done with it so far. To avoid something like this from happening again, I hope you're going to make back-up copies of the entire wiki? And to prevent downtime, could we get it mirrored somewhere else too?
Working on it. No ETA, though.

ddaedelus

01-19-2010, 08:44 AM

And there was much rejoicing... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enSYlCEz5VI)

yaaaaay

cipher_nemo4

01-19-2010, 10:48 AM

Working on it. No ETA, though.

Awesome. :) To purposefully sound like a dated cliche: "you da man". ;)

BlackSmith81

01-22-2010, 05:12 AM

Finally, I'd like to ask you all feedback about the wiki. While the wiki was down, a few other wikis showed up to try to fill the place taken by the DDOwiki and there were discussions about moving the information over to the Compendium. It would as official site as you can get, thus it would kill competition quite easily. Also it would provide a 'close' place for developers to see what the gamers are really doing.

I would greatly appreciate if you would take the time to tell us what you like and dislike about the wiki.The same problems back then when there was idea to move over to another site.
The layout is bad, the categories are not logical and sometimes even confusing, the ability roll outs are excellent, and so on.

I would still consider taking the data and going to compendium.ddo.com
Then there would be those great features from ddowiki and the officiality.

Oh, and hi. Long time no seen. Been occupied in RL and well in evelopedia.

Gercho

01-22-2010, 06:33 AM

Yes, a mirror would be great, preferently in a domain that is not labeled as gaming :P

Borror0

01-22-2010, 06:55 AM

In a tangential way to the question in my OP, which pages or category of the wiki do you guys most use?

Of course, I have data for the big picture but I figure it can't hurt asking.

/snip
Thanks for the feedback and welcome back.

moorewr

01-22-2010, 09:00 AM

In a tangential way to the question in my OP, which pages or category of the wiki do you guys most use?

In my case:

Shroud Crafting
Explorer Maps
Class Pages

One set of pages I don't use is the spell listings. I guess I'd prefer the main list to be straight alphabetical by level, with sub lists for each school by level (ie, click on Evocation, get evocation spells from level 1-9).

Elsbet

01-22-2010, 09:17 AM

Grats Borr! The wiki is a great resource.

It might be helpful to get content updated more regularly if you could get a few very knowledgeable people to volunteer to maintain a page in their area of expertise for a short time. During that time, they could get the page current and then leave it for someone else. This way, they aren't obligated for an extended period of time and the content is up to date.

It is usually easier to get those volunteers if you hit them up personally in PMs or emails asking for help. It's easy to ignore a thread on the forums asking for help. It's harder to ignore a personal message.

I'm not sure I'm an expert on DDO in anything but having fun, but I'd be happy to go behind and clean up spelling, grammar and whatnot.

JOTMON

01-22-2010, 10:15 AM

I was expecting incessant insults for my utter stupidity and incompetence. What I instead got was never ending word encourage me, thanks and positive reputation coming my way.
Borror0

You maintain a great information site.
Crashes happen to everyone, even backups can fail.
Anyone who says they have a foolproof system is a fool.

a few other wikis showed up to try to fill the place taken by the DDOwiki and there were discussions about moving the information over to the Compendium. However, the overall reaction by the community was to strongly oppose those other alternatives. Now, this is great news to me because it means you like what we do. However, it does not tell me what you like about the DDOwiki over those alternatives.
Borror0

I have yet to find any site that comes even close to matching the usefulness of DDOwiki.
Sorry Turbine.. The DDO compendium should be throwing $$ at you to adopt your wiki to replace their sluggish and less than useful compendium. If they had you maintaining the compendium then it may be different, I find DDOwiki to be very layman oriented and usefull to any newb/noob and laid out in a manner that keeps me coming back for more.

Keep up the good work.

Borror0

01-22-2010, 11:45 AM

One set of pages I don't use is the spell listings.
That's probably a wise decision. :p

As a side note, ken and i finally found out what happened to our previous hamster:
http://autocompleteme.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/129080312276489801.jpg

asphodeli

01-24-2010, 08:22 AM

sigh, was editing a page halfway when it *just* went down with an HTTP 500 error.

Borror0

01-24-2010, 08:26 AM

sigh, was editing a page halfway when it *just* went down with an HTTP 500 error.
Dammit. Looking into it.

I'm also taking steps to make sure this never happens again. Ever.

dunklezhan

01-24-2010, 08:27 AM

confirm its down again. :( poor Borro...

Borror0

01-24-2010, 08:32 AM

Meh. I'm not the one who needs the wiki the most. I know most of the stuff on there by heart. You guys suffer way more than I do. It only annoys me because that host was supposed to be more reliable than this. Anyway, hosting issues will be hopefully fixed for good within a week or two.

Meanwhile, check the google cache for the information you're looking to. A few of the pages have been copied to a Wikia wiki (http://ddonline.wikia.com/), too, which may help as well. =/

Sirea

01-24-2010, 08:34 AM

:eek: :(

dunklezhan

01-24-2010, 09:36 AM

Meh. I'm not the one who needs the wiki the most. I know most of the stuff on there by heart. You guys suffer way more than I do. It only annoys me because that host was supposed to be more reliable than this.

that's what I meant - poor you cos now you're going to have to try to sort it out. We just sit around and moan about it. You're the one who has to actually try to do something. Just remember while you're trying to find a sysadmin to throttle that your work is very much appreciated.

Borror0

01-24-2010, 10:02 AM

Seems to be back. Yay.

dunklezhan

01-24-2010, 04:36 PM

Woo! *applauds*

BlackSmith81

01-25-2010, 02:45 PM

which pages or category of the wiki do you guys most use Quest, Crafting (even tough i still hate the naming there has been used for the categorys)

Thanks for the feedback and welcome back. Thanks. Any chance we could chat online some day? Trough xfire, ingame or such?

The DDO compendium should be throwing $$ at you to adopt your wiki to replace their sluggish and less than useful compendium. If they had you maintaining the compendium then it may be different, I find DDOwiki to be very layman oriented and usefull to any newb/noob and laid out in a manner that keeps me coming back for more.Well in EVE they have made the wiki similar than in DDO except better.
I dare to speak for Borror0 and myself (well lat least for myself) that we would still keep working with wikis with the same financial benefits if any new admin appointments for compendium would be made. Its not the cash, but the tools and environment.

Mockduck

01-25-2010, 04:52 PM

I've been thinking a bit about the DDO Wiki and your interest in hearing suggestions for refinement...

One of my favorite "killing time on the Internet" web sites is Digg.com. It's a great place to find stuff on the net before these things start hitting Facebook status updates, Twitter links and eventually large media outlets. Twitter's Trending Topics has also become a bit of a thing.

One of the big "complaints" I have with the Wiki is that it can be difficult to find what you are looking for, especially if you don't know what the name of the item is, the spelling of an area, that kind of thing.

So, here's what I'm wondering: Would it be possible, and would there be interest, in offering a sort of updated list of "Trending Topics" on the Wiki? It would basically be a live-time FAQ showing what the top 10 or 20 most clicked links are at a given time. So, when Update 3 comes out and people are trying to find info on the quests, items, reincarnation, that kind of thing, there would be a list of the stuff that the most people are looking for.

Kind of like a current "top ten list". I know you get the data on what is most read, so could you use that to create a list?

It would be even better if that list could be generated for various topics. I imagine when people are looking for info about the Vale of Twilight, the biggest info being sought is stuff like "How do I get raid ready?", "How do I craft Greensteel items", "greensteel recipies", "Where is explorer X?" and that kind of thing. Having this on an easily-accessible page or sidebar would save a lot of digging and potentially be a great way to have some of the best resources of the Wiki easily available for browsing and location.

Just a thought!

Borror0

01-25-2010, 05:49 PM

Any chance we could chat online some day? Trough xfire, ingame or such?
My IM info is available on my MyDDO profile.

PS: If you're talking about the naming for the crafting categories, I'm not a fan either and I'm open to suggestions.

One of the big "complaints" I have with the Wiki is that it can be difficult to find what you are looking for, especially if you don't know what the name of the item is, the spelling of an area, that kind of thing.
Once upon a time, I wanted to do a Wiki Development Activities (seen what I did there?) series of thread where I would post what's up on the wiki each week. That was during the M9 lull, though, so I ended up giving up on the idea as the new material sort of ran... short? ;)

I might do that, eventually, once I took care of a few more pressing things.

I know you get the data on what is most read, so could you use that to create a list?
Such a thing might exist, but it would be extremely pointless on the wiki. From past experience, the category pages and the home page get such an overwhelming number of hits that it's impossible for a single page to make it to the top 20.

If you want to see, here is my top 20 for November:

Home
Classes
Quests
Maps
Items
Enhancements
Stone of Change - Recipes
Crafting
Feats
Category:Quests by level
Category:Quests by name
Newbie guide
Spells
Quests by location
Favor
Collectable
Ranger
Unique quests rewards
Image:Fieldmap_KorthosIsland.jpg
Places

Of those, only the Korthos map and the ranger page could really count as a non-category pages that are not linked from the header but they both cover a really searched topic. For a page to covering, say, Update 3's Heroic Surge, it would take a miracle to get on that list! Well, 7,639 unique page views at the very least. We put link to those on the home page and I often drop a link from a relevant topic on the forums (ie the biggest I can find) but it has a limited effect.

The only two times I saw a rush to a page were Shroud crafting and Dragontouched crafting. That's it.

It would be even better if that list could be generated for various topics. I imagine when people are looking for info about the Vale of Twilight, the biggest info being sought is stuff like "How do I get raid ready?", "How do I craft Greensteel items", "greensteel recipies", "Where is explorer X?" and that kind of thing.
This is something we are slowly addressing. With time, we're adding a "See also" list at the bottom of the article. By doing this, we're hoping to give an useful page some visibility by linking from the pages where people are the most likely to be interested by that page.

For example, the Am I Raid Ready? guide is linked from the raid page. It's a work in progress, though.

chester99

01-25-2010, 05:55 PM

That's probably a wise decision. :p

As a side note, ken and i finally found out what happened to our previous hamster:
http://autocompleteme.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/129080312276489801.jpg

http://www.onfireandscreaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/why-wont-my-parakeet-eat-my-diarrhea.jpg

Mockduck

01-25-2010, 06:30 PM

My IM info is available on my MyDDO profile.

PS: If you're talking about the naming for the crafting categories, I'm not a fan either and I'm open to suggestions.

Once upon a time, I wanted to do a Wiki Development Activities (seen what I did there?) series of thread where I would post what's up on the wiki each week. That was during the M9 lull, though, so I ended up giving up on the idea as the new material sort of ran... short? ;)

I might do that, eventually, once I took care of a few more pressing things.

Such a thing might exist, but it would be extremely pointless on the wiki. From past experience, the category pages and the home page get such an overwhelming number of hits that it's impossible for a single page to make it to the top 20.

If you want to see, here is my top 20 for November:

Home
Classes
Quests
Maps
Items
Enhancements
Stone of Change - Recipes
Crafting
Feats
Category:Quests by level
Category:Quests by name
Newbie guide
Spells
Quests by location
Favor
Collectable
Ranger
Unique quests rewards
Image:Fieldmap_KorthosIsland.jpg
Places

Of those, only the Korthos map and the ranger page could really count as a non-category pages that are not linked from the header but they both cover a really searched topic. For a page to covering, say, Update 3's Heroic Surge, it would take a miracle to get on that list! Well, 7,639 unique page views at the very least. We put link to those on the home page and I often drop a link from a relevant topic on the forums (ie the biggest I can find) but it has a limited effect.

The only two times I saw a rush to a page were Shroud crafting and Dragontouched crafting. That's it.

This is something we are slowly addressing. With time, we're adding a "See also" list at the bottom of the article. By doing this, we're hoping to give an useful page some visibility by linking from the pages where people are the most likely to be interested by that page.

For example, the Am I Raid Ready? guide is linked from the raid page. It's a work in progress, though.

I don't know how this kind of "Web 2.0" system could be brought into a Wiki format, but what if you were able to offload all of that work to the community using the Wiki? Sort of like a "Digg this" button, with the highest rated posts showing up in a list. Then, maybe those lists could be further separated by tags, like Vale, Mod 9, Greensteel, Items, that kind of thing. So, if I hit the "What's Hot" Tab under the Mod 9 category, it would include things like.

1. Getting raid ready
2. Ring Crafting
3. Boots of Anchoring
4. Shavarath Map
5. Shavarath Environmental Effects

and so on?

Captain_Wizbang

01-25-2010, 06:39 PM

Tough call on which page is used most.
On our guilds website, I have 10 links to wiki.
And it makes it real easy to direct people to the right page as fast as possible.
So, my answer is "yes"

TY for all the work put into wiki!

Borror0

01-25-2010, 07:21 PM

I don't know how this kind of "Web 2.0" system could be brought into a Wiki format, but what if you were able to offload all of that work to the community using the Wiki? Sort of like a "Digg this" button, with the highest rated posts showing up in a list. Then, maybe those lists could be further separated by tags, like Vale, Mod 9, Greensteel, Items, that kind of thing. So, if I hit the "What's Hot" Tab under the Mod 9 category, it would include things like.

1. Getting raid ready
2. Ring Crafting
3. Boots of Anchoring
4. Shavarath Map
5. Shavarath Environmental Effects

and so on?
I'm not sure if that does anything we cannot do better, with less work than would be required to get this working well.

We've managed to get an healthy active editor population, at last. For most of the wiki's life, it was me and Yoko doing our stuff. And, I have been slacking far too much at times. We've gotten a little help from time to time but not enough to keep up. We're slowly catching up, at which point we'll be mostly adding more polish and new content rather than updating stuff outdated of several Modules or flat out missing.