pots can be your friend

[rayflo]

people stop relying on your cleric or fvs to keep everyone up without mana if you are gonna play like animals. help them out buy some cure pots to stay up. if your going down back out for a second, donate some wands or scrolls it all helps and is appreciated. it gets costly to heal when you all go wild. so in short if that blue bar is gone drink some pots or be careful the healer is doing all they can especially if they are new

[aerieon]

people stop relying on your cleric or fvs to keep everyone up without mana if you are gonna play like animals. help them out buy some cure pots to stay up. if your going down back out for a second, donate some wands or scrolls it all helps and is appreciated. it gets costly to heal when you all go wild. so in short if that blue bar is gone drink some pots or be careful the healer is doing all they can especially if they are new

Sadly the folks that need to know this don't come to the forums.. I call it being self suffecient and frankly at lowlevels most of the players don't even know what that is let alone beable to really afford it. On my lowlevel cleric I am of the mindset that if I can't do an instance on my normal SP bar then there is a problem with the group. (of course I'm talking about normal runs, then again I've also experienced playing elite and not having sp problems.. It really goes back to who is or isn't pulling their weight when it comes to playing.

[rayflo]

i just see it in general people zerging ahead cleric runs low and they refuse to pot up and cry for heals when they are on a barb., ftr etc and have 1/5th of their hp gone. gets aggrevating. i try to help clerics out when im on my tanks. i loot a mana pot on them guess where it goes. to the healer i get a wand they get it. alot of new players have the mentalitry of keep me healed oh your out of sp and i have no pots hmmm. well i have this sp pot i just pulled that ill sell you type of mentallity

[Temet]

Sadly the folks that need to know this don't come to the forums.. I call it being self suffecient and frankly at lowlevels most of the players don't even know what that is let alone beable to really afford it. On my lowlevel cleric I am of the mindset that if I can't do an instance on my normal SP bar then there is a problem with the group. (of course I'm talking about normal runs, then again I've also experienced playing elite and not having sp problems.. It really goes back to who is or isn't pulling their weight when it comes to playing.

Eh, I mostly solo since I came back. The only exception is when I'm dead certain I can solo the instance even with the dungeon scaled fully. In this case, I may drag people along just for company, but I'm still not expecting 90+% of them to be at all useful. There's no real point in relying on PUGs anymore. If I actually can't finish something alone, I'll use my friend list.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

pots can be your friend

Yes it can be

http://sfappeal.com/alley/images/prague-pot.jpg

[Daiur]

I had a real joyfull expierience at Spawn of Whisperdoom the other night.
The wizard kept pulling aggro and than running out of range, needless to say he died often. So I told him between the fights that if he pulls aggro, goes down to 60% and than the fight is over, he can top himself ( so he doesnt get 1hit- no forti...)
His response was remarkable being: "Ill just wait till you heal me in the next fight than".

Since im playing at European time I do a lot of puging during the day, and being told by barbs that its my DUTY to quaf mnemonic pots to top everyone of between fights, and that its expected of me to buy wands should I ever dare to run out of SP after the 20th res, is really beginning to be a bother.

Im doing my fair amount of wanding- if I see the group is worth it :)

[Temet]

Yes it can be

... I chuckled.

[Memnir]

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[aerieon]

I had a real joyfull expierience at Spawn of Whisperdoom the other night.
The wizard kept pulling aggro and than running out of range, needless to say he died often. So I told him between the fights that if he pulls aggro, goes down to 60% and than the fight is over, he can top himself ( so he doesnt get 1hit- no forti...)
His response was remarkable being: "Ill just wait till you heal me in the next fight than".

Since im playing at European time I do a lot of puging during the day, and being told by barbs that its my DUTY to quaf mnemonic pots to top everyone of between fights, and that its expected of me to buy wands should I ever dare to run out of SP after the 20th res, is really beginning to be a bother.

Im doing my fair amount of wanding- if I see the group is worth it :)

I totaly hear you on this, this is why my cleric goes with the premis if it takes more then my SP bar for a group there is a problem with the group. I refuse to use SP pots (I'm low level relatively speaking so it shouldn't be needed). Although since I don't have res yet I could see using a scroll for that, or better yet just let them stay dead in my backpack. I mean serioulsy folks should be self suffecient enough to keep themselves topped off. Now if we are talking about later game, well things change.. Need to use scrolls more reguarly. The wizard you were refering too I would probably have keep in my bags less sp used that way and you still would have finished the instance.

[suitepotato]

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You know, I used to buy pots out the wazoo when I started out because back then there was often a hard time finding complete traditional groups and those people who were excellent teachers advised it (they'd say not to worry that it wasn't going to be a totally self-sufficient game, just sometimes). Of course, we had AoE going through doors and no DA, so we could take time to wipe stuff out. (Yes, that's right, before all these nerfs and changes there was a much larger chance of groups exterminating everything as they went. If anything the AoE through doors changes, the additions of doors and mechanisms, only made zerging more and more attractive. Another example of the human gift for self fulfilling prophecy.)

Over time, the group situation got easier and pots were less needed. Also, pots then as now ate tremendous gold for the starting player. Wealth building was next to impossible if you were spending everything on a small ransom of pots, wands, etc. because the cleric (who was also spending a fortune) was having to concentrate on a few and could not get everyone. Back then I understood their pain on spending a bit more.

The thing to do was make a looting toon kept at max level and use that one to pay for pots. Make a few, and rotate. At this point though, I'm considering selling one out of every five larges from the shroud at AH to give money to clerics and casters for their supplies. Anyhow, at the lower levels pots can help especially if you're separated and trying to regroup and get back on game.

For the first time player with no high level looting toons, it can be hard. I was gifted with money for pots on more than one occasion and if you're a vet running a new toon with first timers, helping is always good. Just tell them to pay it forward when they get that toon up to looting and run with someone new themselves.

[Daiur]

You know, I used to buy pots out the wazoo when I started out because back then there was often a hard time finding complete traditional groups and those people who were excellent teachers advised it (they'd say not to worry that it wasn't going to be a totally self-sufficient game, just sometimes). Of course, we had AoE going through doors and no DA, so we could take time to wipe stuff out. (Yes, that's right, before all these nerfs and changes there was a much larger chance of groups exterminating everything as they went. If anything the AoE through doors changes, the additions of doors and mechanisms, only made zerging more and more attractive. Another example of the human gift for self fulfilling prophecy.)

Over time, the group situation got easier and pots were less needed. Also, pots then as now ate tremendous gold for the starting player. Wealth building was next to impossible if you were spending everything on a small ransom of pots, wands, etc. because the cleric (who was also spending a fortune) was having to concentrate on a few and could not get everyone. Back then I understood their pain on spending a bit more.

The thing to do was make a looting toon kept at max level and use that one to pay for pots. Make a few, and rotate. At this point though, I'm considering selling one out of every five larges from the shroud at AH to give money to clerics and casters for their supplies. Anyhow, at the lower levels pots can help especially if you're separated and trying to regroup and get back on game.

For the first time player with no high level looting toons, it can be hard. I was gifted with money for pots on more than one occasion and if you're a vet running a new toon with first timers, helping is always good. Just tell them to pay it forward when they get that toon up to looting and run with someone new themselves.

Noone is talking about completely selfsufficient new players. But a Pot here, a cure mod wand ( thats even around for collectible turn ins!) for umd chars, in the long run it can make a real difference. Some vets I've run with gave me a bunch of CSS wands and the like when running short of sp in difficult qs (HIPS elite).

Even with just the cookie turn ins and the found Pots on the leveling way, people can contribute. But no, they prefer to vendor them and rely on the Cleric for removing curse/blindness/negative levels and to be healed whenever they have cut themselves while shaving.

[Kalari]

Yes it can be

http://sfappeal.com/alley/images/prague-pot.jpg

OMG Lorien its scary I thought the same thing when I saw this thread title...lol get out of my mind man!

hehe yes OP as a healer type player I do agree that people should try to be a little self sufficient, ive posted a guide in the new player section to where they can even get free potions. But you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. I just know I appreciate and will help out any team mate of mine who knows not to tax my patience spell points and resources. And I just wont group again with those who do.

[Bluegrazz]

I agree with everything in this post (especially about Pot being your friend *cough* "-ere take it")

Yes, for Gods sake- Top your OWN health off
. My SP's as a Cleric are PRIMARILY going to be used IN A FIGHT or ON BUFFS for the party- Not to make sure everyone is constantly at FULL HEALTH.... Oh, and if its a zerg group, I am (to the best of my ability) In the line of sight of the Group Leader- Dont expect healz if your two rooms away.

I was taught to equip a wand of Cure Serious ONCE MY SP ARE BELOW HALF- This is to hopefully ensure that I am managing my SP enough to be able to really kick out some healing IF NEEDED.

I love playing a Cleric- Have played healers in every MMO I have played- BUT in DDO playing a Cleric seems quite expensive (relatively) because if a Party is going through my SP like madmen on TRASH MOBS- I am into expensive (for me) Wands by the time a REAL CHALLENGE happens (I switch between Wand and Spells when I am at or around 50% SP- UNLESS I know the Dungeon)

I am also a New Player- My running costs are usually covered by selling loot from the run- BUT there is often not much left.... And often, zerg groups dont bother to even say "come get this chest" to the newer players who are trying to follow four blue dots in four different directions without time to take a breath.

To me- The main problem here is MY REPUTATION as a healer. Personally (on some of these groups) I would LIKE to "pretend" that I dont have any Wands and when my SP are gone- THATS IT... BUT, I enjoy having (or trying to have) a good reputation in game- So I guess alot of my issue with the expenses boils down to my CHOICE...... But, it still sucks. =P

[rayflo]

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I'm confused... how can these help, again?

you can use them to put the bodies of those refusing to help out in :P

[LunaCee]

Pots? About the only pots I keep on hand are some mnemonics!

(D-marked Halfling wizard... with full marks and 10AP spent on extra marks and a superior potency VI focus item... I do my own healing!)

Now granted I have a *few* for when the marks run out... but if the marks are out something is wrong with the party itself most of the time.

[lord_of_rage]

My cleric/ fvs use wands/scrolls for most heal work. SP is for serious heals/cc/offensive casting. All my melees carry at least 4 full csw wands,200 pots, and or scrolls. My melees will also jump out of a fight to heal up if the heals arnt coming. But that is knowing how to play your toon.

[Krag]

Replenishing your red bar with cure pots is no fun.
Give your cleric some scrolls and/or mnemonic pots so he can keep up with your zerging toon.

[Veodore]

IMO, it's important to politely explain this position to new people in game. Honestly, I don't think it's that they're cheap or lazy. More times than not, it's that they honestly don't know they're supposed to be helping the healer out.

I love that aspect of DDO, but it is the only MMO I've played in which it's expected for the non-healers to heal themselves when the group has a healer. Every other MMO I play, if you have a healer, they hang back and do all the healing.

DDO isn't constructed that way. Again, I love that fact. But let's remember that it might be that these new folks simply aren't aware that it's expected in this game. It's a reasonable assumption for them to make, based on their experience in pretty much every other MMO they've played.

[ninjaeli]

Pots really helped these birds

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