Seeker + Backstabbing

[Marcus-Hawkeye]

Just out of curiousity, is it even possible to have a seeker +10 whatever the heck with any backstabbing on it? or is the best you are gonna see if Seeker +8 with Backstab +1 on it? I'm just not sure how ML are calculated and what other restrictions are placed on this kind of thing. Would anyone be so kind as to enlighten me?

[sirgog]

Just out of curiousity, is it even possible to have a seeker +10 whatever the heck with any backstabbing on it? or is the best you are gonna see if Seeker +8 with Backstab +1 on it? I'm just not sure how ML are calculated and what other restrictions are placed on this kind of thing. Would anyone be so kind as to enlighten me?

A +1 Seeker 10 of Backstab +5 weapon would be minimum level 20, and could exist. (It would only drop from level 22 quests with a loot gem, such as Elite Tower of Despair or Elite The Dreaming Dark, or from Epic quests with or without a loot gem).

Generally, however, I'd prefer to have one weapon be something like +2 seeker 10 of pure good, and the offhand weapon +2 holy of backstab +5. The seeker and backstab enhancements work for both weapons when equipped, so it's like having a +2 seeker 10 pure good backstab 5 weapon in the main hand and a +2 seeker 10 holy backstab 5 in the offhand.

[Marcus-Hawkeye]

Thank you very much for your reply. So the weapon can theoretically exist. Now has anyone seen anything like it though? I've been looking for a while and haven't seen a seeker 10 with backstab on it. I've found the odd finding Seeker 8 with Backstab +1 and several Seeker 6 with backstab +3 but nothing higher for seeker 6. I'm noticing a pattern that each step towards seeker 10 seems to reduce the maximum backstab you can get. Of course I'm basing this on my own observations, but has anyone actually seen/used a seeker 10 with backstab?

[chaos_master]

The seeker and backstab enhancements work for both weapons when equipped, so it's like having a +2 seeker 10 pure good backstab 5 weapon in the main hand and a +2 seeker 10 holy backstab 5 in the offhand.WOW, didn't know that. Thanks a bunch :)

+ 1 rep (only on paper though, can't give any more away :D )

[Marcus-Hawkeye]

Yeah I only found out about that recently in the past month or so which is why I've been looking for a Seeker/Backstab. Truth be told, the reason I'm looking into it is for my thrown weapons build. (yeah I know it's a waste of time, etc etc, I'm having fun) I have been using a sheild up until recently, but once I heard about this seeker/backstab deal I've been trying to find one. So as a thrower I never use my offhand weapon so a seeker 10 backstab 3, 4 or 5 would be perfect... if they exist...

[Jastron]

I'm pretty sure I have a weapons combo of Bereavement (seeker 10 battleaxe from Titan) in offhand and a nice +5 of (elemental) and pure good returning thrower in the main hand, for ranging on my fighter Narnak. So, consider using the offhand for the seeker weapon.

It sounds like it wouldn't work, but I do believe that's the combo I use.

[Marcus-Hawkeye]

Yes that works. I have a seeker +8, Backstab +1 battleaxe that works in my offhand (and it doesn't affect my attack on my primary hand using thrown weapons). I'm just trying to see if I can get a Seeker 10 with any backstab, but it appears as though nobody has ever actually seen one... It might be a case of specific restriction in place by Turbine... at least it's starting to appear that way.

[Rindalathar]

I also have a thrower build that's been using a Seeker 10 dagger in the off-hand for quite awhile. I've actually been trying to score Tharne's Goggle from VOD for the sneakattack bonus, versus hoping to find a seeker 10 of backstab. whatever.

If you're going for maximum DPS on a thrower, remember to also consider the Kensei III enhancement line (if don't have enough barb in you like me) and put it toward throwing daggers, which would increase your crit. range to 16-20. Also, every bit helps and putting the force crit. ritual on your main DPS throwing daggers helps too.

[Marcus-Hawkeye]

wow, good call... didn't even know about that set... I'll send you a PM about how you made your thrower... I'd like to compare.

But the question still remains, are there seeker 10 weapons out there with backstab?

[PatSox]

I was told that the confirm crit bonus with weapons with Seeker only works for that weapon, not both if dual weilding. (Am I misinformed?) And, seemingly, from my experience, that applies because I have a toon with a Seeker + 10 of pure good weapon and other weapons I use with it still have the normal confirm crit chance on those other weapons. I tested it in the Vale with a +2 Banishing Rapier (I crit @15-20) and found that I confirm pretty much the same. I would expect that with a +10 seeker that I would pretty much Banish with every crit with that Rapier. (Am I missing something?)

That is why the Bloodstone is so valuable I guess... which of course I have not pulled yet on any of my toons after a gazillion runs!!! (Why is that Turbine!!!)

Can't tell you how many first timers I've seen pull them and how many people I've seen pull multiples.

Man that hurts!!!

I'm a VIP and I get no love at all!!!!

[Marcus-Hawkeye]

Hordo, my guild leader, is usually pretty well informed and he said the entire effect benefits the character as a whole, not just for that weapon only... He made no mention of the effect being split. It's difficult to tell of course... I wish DDO would allow the combat log to be saved to a text file for parsing... would make it easier to detect...

[PatSox]

Hordo, my guild leader, is usually pretty well informed and he said the entire effect benefits the character as a whole, not just for that weapon only... He made no mention of the effect being split. It's difficult to tell of course... I wish DDO would allow the combat log to be saved to a text file for parsing... would make it easier to detect...


Yes, I agree.

My method of confirming the "Confirm Crit" increase was just the frequency increase and "quickierness" of the Banishing. Not exactly scientific.

[Hokonoso]

I was told that the confirm crit bonus with weapons with Seeker only works for that weapon, not both if dual weilding. (Am I misinformed?) And, seemingly, from my experience, that applies because I have a toon with a Seeker + 10 of pure good weapon and other weapons I use with it still have the normal confirm crit chance on those other weapons. I tested it in the Vale with a +2 Banishing Rapier (I crit @15-20) and found that I confirm pretty much the same. I would expect that with a +10 seeker that I would pretty much Banish with every crit with that Rapier. (Am I missing something?)

That is why the Bloodstone is so valuable I guess... which of course I have not pulled yet on any of my toons after a gazillion runs!!! (Why is that Turbine!!!)

Can't tell you how many first timers I've seen pull them and how many people I've seen pull multiples.

Man that hurts!!!

I'm a VIP and I get no love at all!!!!

you dont banish on a crit, you have a chance to banish on a crit, so your testing will show you nothing, especially if you were confirming your crit on a 1 or 2 even. basically when you crit with a banishing weapon, if you do not confirm then nothing happens, if you do confirm then the mob gets a will save roll to see if they are banished. only thing that increases banishing is your swing speed and rate at which you crit.

with that said, it does not matter where the seeker is (trinket, helm, offhand, mainhand) you get the same benefit from it on all weapon hands etc.., else a bloodstone would be worthless.

[PatSox]

you dont banish on a crit, you have a chance to banish on a crit, so your testing will show you nothing, especially if you were confirming your crit on a 1 or 2 even. basically when you crit with a banishing weapon, if you do not confirm then nothing happens, if you do confirm then the mob gets a will save roll to see if they are banished. only thing that increases banishing is your swing speed and rate at which you crit.

with that said, it does not matter where the seeker is (trinket, helm, offhand, mainhand) you get the same benefit from it on all weapon hands etc.., else a bloodstone would be worthless.

Well, The purpose of Seeker is to increase your Confirm Crit is it not? So with a +10 I would imagine that should increase that a good deal. Correct?


Also, in your words, "a trinket, helm, offhand, mainhand" that applies the bonus crit to all weapon hands does make the bloodstone worthless doesn't it?

Although the trinket or helm or something other than a weapon should apply to both hands, I do believe a weapon does not. It only applies to the weapon the Seeker bonus is on.

In the case of the Bloodstone (The item with the Highest Confirm Crit @ +6 that applies to both hands that I know of) Is highly sought after for this exact reason.

I did mention that my method was somewhat flawed. Not having a Bloodstone to compare for myself further hampers my testing.

I could be mistaken. If so please enlighten me. I could use the reassurance.

[Marcus-Hawkeye]

Well don't forget seeker 10 also adds 10 to the damage before multipliers are applied...

I've noticed more crits happening as a result of moving from the bloodstone I have to a +10 seeker in my offhand. It wasn't much but I noticed it. It's all luck of the roll really, but the extra 30 damage on an axe throw is pretty important so I'm sticking with the +10 offhand for now.

The original question still remains though:

Has anyone seen a +10 seeker weapon with any amount of backstabbing on it?

[sirgog]

Although the trinket or helm or something other than a weapon should apply to both hands, I do believe a weapon does not. It only applies to the weapon the Seeker bonus is on.


That isn't true. I have a toon that uses dual rapiers on trash mobs (+1 Wounding of Puncturing mainhand, +2 Seeker 10 of Puncturing offhand), and I notice:

1) A lot more crits this way from each weapon than I used to get using WoP/+5 Puncturing

2) The damage component of the Seeker 10 definitely applies to both weapons, as once a mob is autocrit, both weapons seem to do the same damage (actually they differ by 2, but that's not really noticeable). The Seeker 10 one would be 22 damage a swing ahead if Seeker didn't carry across to both weapons).

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I tested seeker and backstabbing weps (low versions) awhile back on both a thrower build and a shield bashing build.

The extra damage definately applies when applicable.

Haven't confirmed since mod 9 though.
But have no reason to think it changed.

Normally I don't recommend rare raid loot for a build, but since a seeker +10 of backstabbing +5/+8 would be so rare, I think you have a better chance of getting Tharnes goggles for the BS part.

[The_Wolf]

A little late to this conversation, but I can confirm it's possible to have seeker and backstab on the same weapon. I have a +1 Seeker (+10) Rapier of Backstabbing (only +1/+2 though).

[Marcus-Hawkeye]

Thank you for the confirmation. Since I wrote this thread I was able to procure a +10 Seeker Rapier with Backstabbing +1,+2 on it. Still looking for the next step up though... if anyone has one for sale... let me know... khyber server...