Recruiting free to play players a waste of my VIP time?

[apacheizm23]

I was wondering if there was a way to introduce into the game a way where one can distinguish free to play players from VIP players? I been playing this game allot less lately but I have heard allot of talk about how hard it is getting groups together especially at the early levels with all the True Res players trying to grind out XP Etc..I have had players tell me to hurry up and get up to there level cause they cant find any decent groups or people to run with because A) they suck. B) there all free to play.

One example I felt for myself was recruiting players to my group then only for them and I to find out that they don't have the content etc And such. 2 much time wasted in sending PM's to people 2 then find out they don't have the content or some other lame excuse. I have spoken to quite a few VIP players and they all have had the same experience and have complained that the XP Grind of True Res is that much harder because of all the NooBs/Free to Play Yadda Yadda.

Its in the Khyber forums as how many errr bad players/ruined runs there has been since the new Unlimited FREE TO PLAY,Buy a 90 minute Vale package etc..

Discuss here. Share you're experiences here...

[Kalari]

I dont think free means a player is good or bad its the attitude and their have been many "Vip" players who are crappy period.

I think its how the players carry themselves. I had one free to play guy who was so eager and such a great listener at low levels that I got the tangle root pack just so he could see what big chain quests were like, he turned around became vip then got his brother into the game. Its luck of the draw, ive had crappy pugs with free to play play players as well but they come off the bat with bad attitude the wrong approach to taking on the quests (running off away from the party especially the healers is silly if you dont know what your doing). But the same has been done but supposed vet players.

I say its up to you if you have the patience take the risk maybe you'll meet nice new players and convince them to invest themselves into the game. Me my patience runs in shorter doses now but I wont completely cut myself off from new players there are always people with potential out there they just need a real chance to show it.

[Corebreach]

I would not want to play any game that lets in people like me.

[spifflove]

lfm stk p2p pst

[carlosjuero]

Pretty sure cross posting is against the forum rules right?

[Anarkius]

I don't understand how F2P don;t know they don't have the content being run when it gives a great big box on the LFM panel "BUY IT NOW IN THE DDO STORE" I was just on my wife's F2P account and saw this over SEVERAL quests that had LFM's up. ::shrugs::

I didn't think I was the ONLY one that knew how to read :confused:

Personally, I don't care if a person is new, VIP, veteran or F2P. I judge them on what they bring (or don't bring) to the group. I have met some really dumb people and some really great ones (subscription status irrelevant) in this game.

If you have the quest or content, you are welcome to run with me. Unless you are spamming general/advice chat for a group, begging for plat, sending blind invites, giving false information (intentionally or even unintentionally if you are being a d-bag about it), or join the group and the first thing out of your mouth (in chat) is what quest and 'share plz' (I always list what the quest is in the LFM and I don't mind sharing but I don't want to hear it first thing). :rolleyes:

Just my opinion. ;)

[Creddi]

I don't understand how F2P don;t know they don't have the content being run when it gives a great big box on the LFM panel "BUY IT NOW IN THE DDO STORE" I was just on my wife's F2P account and saw this over SEVERAL quests that had LFM's up. ::shrugs::

I didn't think I was the ONLY one that knew how to read :confused:

Personally, I don't care if a person is new, VIP, veteran or F2P. I judge them on what they bring (or don't bring) to the group. I have met some really dumb people and some really great ones (subscription status irrelevant) in this game.

If you have the quest or content, you are welcome to run with me. Unless you are spamming general/advice chat for a group, begging for plat, sending blind invites, giving false information (intentionally or even unintentionally if you are being a d-bag about it), or join the group and the first thing out of your mouth (in chat) is what quest and 'share plz' (I always list what the quest is in the LFM and I don't mind sharing but I don't want to hear it first thing). :rolleyes:

Just my opinion. ;)

That only applies when there is a LFM and when it does list the quest. Sadly, neither is a given.

I also wish, though that vets would understand that there is premium in between and instead of asking someone if they are F2P simply ask if the person has that content...

[Twerpp]

Even when you put a very specific LFM the people will join. The best mechanic would be for turbine to have a BUY IT NOW on every LFM of a quest people don't own. Of course you would have to select the right quest when posting an LFM, and only FTP/Premium who dont have it would see the ad. If they dont own the pack clicking the lfm would only take them to a purchase screen, not your group. They segregated Korthos sunny/snowy so Im sure there is a way to handle this.

[Kalari]

I believe there is also a bug tying into the compendium. I noticed when my compendium is out many times on the lfm the quests are not shown and when I try to put an lfm up the quests are not there for me to choose from. Its bugs like this that really need to be looked into.

[Rumbaar]

So you're complaining about recruiting new players that don't have all the content of VIP?

You don't have to run with them, and it's not hard to tell them what they can and can't access. I know in our guild I've created a thread on what content premium players have so other in the guild [if choose too] can see what others have.

Then there is the LFM option and the ability to hide content you don't own. Now if a person comes in after seeing that, then they deserve all they get. I know I try to select the quest for recruiting and even put in paid content in the description of mine.

[Dark_Helmet]

I also find I don't want to group with arrogant vets... can we have a flag for that? :rolleyes:

If you don't want to group with F2P, you just put that in the LFM or solo (since a true reinc can solo/hireling all the low level content).

As I tell all the new players who use general chat, use the LFM and put other info in the comments. It works wonders!


It is just like the people who think they are smart and use unreadable colors all the time. Gotta be different...

[MonsterAbuser]

Can we start threads about bad vets and how some vets think their **** don't stink?

[Anarkius]

Can we start threads about bad vets and how some vets think their **** don't stink?

Sure, I don't see why not. I know there are enough of us to fill a good thread page or two :D

[Corstaad]

I really like this game so far pretty top notch really. Worst part is the vets that think they need to zerg thru everything. Group structure breaks down we split up trying to find dead people. Just a mess really if anything they need a larger death penalty to prevent this style of play.

[aerieon]

I really like this game so far pretty top notch really. Worst part is the vets that think they need to zerg thru everything. Group structure breaks down we split up trying to find dead people. Just a mess really if anything they need a larger death penalty to prevent this style of play.

There is nothing wrong with zerging. What is wrong is when the folks that decide that is the style that will be applied to the partiqular instance make the assumption everyone is aware of how to zerg, what the quest goals are, and where to go next without having to be told. THAT is the problem.

Seriously being rude/bad behavior isn't acceptable in the real world, but yet it seems to common place in games. Mostlikely due to the anominty of the individual. You are already fully aware of what is being rude and what isn't you don't need someone else to tell you, you don't need to justify your actions to anyone because you have to live with them. In the end All I can truly say is just have fun, since that's what games are ment for. If your not having fun then it might be time to take a break or move on to something else.

[Kalari]

There is nothing wrong with zerging. What is wrong is when the folks that decide that is the style that will be applied to the partiqular instance make the assumption everyone is aware of how to zerg, what the quest goals are, and where to go next without having to be told. THAT is the problem.

Seriously being rude/bad behavior isn't acceptable in the real world, but yet it seems to common place in games. Mostlikely due to the anominty of the individual. You are already fully aware of what is being rude and what isn't you don't need someone else to tell you, you don't need to justify your actions to anyone because you have to live with them. In the end All I can truly say is just have fun, since that's what games are ment for. If your not having fun then it might be time to take a break or move on to something else.

See but thats it while its not acceptable by most standards rude behavior is apart of life. For each nice guy there are dbag's and probably more dbags in some people's lives then nice guys. It happens it sucks but thats what happens in this big ole world. Not everyone is nice and the sooner people learn that the better off they are. Should we all be jaded and bitter and mistrusting? Nah but I cannot believe that people come into games thinking "my way is the only way." Or everyone must get a long and be nice to one and other..

thats just not going to happen, were a massive multiplayer game with people all around the world. Different attitudes different perspectives and cultures sometimes class.

For each zerg type you have a go slow type and thats the beauty of this game you have tools where you can find others who like your style. Its when one group tries to force another group to "play their way" that these issues arise and its never going to stop.

Were gamers, we like to be right and many of us like to win.

[LogannX]

I resubscribed shortly before f2p came in. I can count the times on one hand where Ive had an issue with someone not knowing they didnt have the content pack. I play lots of characters of all levels and about half the time start my own groups and it really hasnt been more than a minor inconvenience. Even those people that ended up having to drop because they didnt have the content...well it's no big deal. I feel worse for them but maybe it will make them go buy it at some point. Maybe Im more laid back than most people but it doesnt get my panties in a bunch like say rangers and casters that shoot first and then run the opposite direction.

[wrightdjohn]

Of course with most new players coming in these days the f2p people are going to have more noobs. This won't last. In the long run, things will adjust and whether your f2p or vip will be irrelevant as an indicator of your playing ability.

I personally have a problem with leet players. They are far more damaging to the game than the new people.

I've been playing (on and off) since launch (the original DDO launch). I'm free to play because I think thats the better deal. I've spent more money since going f2p though than before so its not a money issue. Its more how I choose to spend the money.

[apacheizm23]

Even when you put a very specific LFM the people will join. The best mechanic would be for turbine to have a BUY IT NOW on every LFM of a quest people don't own. Of course you would have to select the right quest when posting an LFM, and only FTP/Premium who dont have it would see the ad. If they dont own the pack clicking the lfm would only take them to a purchase screen, not your group. They segregated Korthos sunny/snowy so Im sure there is a way to handle this.

Hey Twerp long time no see. Happy New Year 2 you.

Anyway I think that is a great idea there Twerp. Maybe they can add some kind of red outline around the quests that they cannot play,and as you said maybe a link or take them to the purchase screen. Listen all I know is that I am very happy that we have gotten a good injection of players to DDO and I been telling players to Subscribe to the game that they wont be sorry cause it only gets better at the later levels/End Game.

I would bet that half of Khyber is Free to Play of some kind or another. My buddy last night had a Gianthold Lfm up Lev 10-13 for about an 1hr plus. Experience a Plus blah blah.No one joined, which is kinda errr but it didn't matter as the 3 of us just tore through everything with no healer nor caster on normal and hard as it does scale so.

I don't have all day nor night to constantly try and fill these lower lev groups to then ask people if they own the content etc etc.It is a major pain in the azz.

Good point Wrightjohn on the leet people being more damaging then NooBs to the game. Tho there are quite a few leet players on Khyber that will go the extra mile to help a newb out.

Nothing wrong with zerging at all, long as u bring the group you joined or recruited with you.;)