Whisper Doom

[Veriden]

Does any one else think they need to re-do her or take her out of the game completely?

Immune to holy weapons ***?
High dr, good saves, stupidly fast regeneration? Seriously ***

My next qualm is they need to recalculate the CR levels of the monsters inside the quest. A cr 8 quest does not contain cr 10 mobs, sorry but no. So I'm off to go find a new hobby, it was nice playing with you all.

[Freeman]

Holy weapons only effect evil creatures. There are lots of neutral creatures throughout the game. As for the CR rating, only a very boring PnP DM would only ever pit you against creatures that are only your CR or below. A CR 8 creature should take about 1/4 of the resources of a group of four level 8 players to beat. Raising the CR a couple of levels increases the chances of death by a player, but it doesn't in any way make the monster unbeatable. Just more challenging. You can easily fight Whisperdoom after shrining, when everyone has all their abilities maxed.

Of course, if you are willing to quit the game over this quest, then you probably wouldn't have lasted long anyway, once you get into the truly challenging quests.

[Hokiewa]

Does any one else think they need to re-do her or take her out of the game completely?

Immune to holy weapons ***?
High dr, good saves, stupidly fast regeneration? Seriously ***

My next qualm is they need to recalculate the CR levels of the monsters inside the quest. A cr 8 quest does not contain cr 10 mobs, sorry but no. So I'm off to go find a new hobby, it was nice playing with you all.

You are referring to Whisperdoom in Tangleroot, as it can't be the Spawn of Whisperdoom(level 11) She is unkillable......It's pretty apparent. As far as CR levels go, you are mistaken as noted by the poster above.....

[Memnir]

Quitting over one encounter that your not even supposed to win?
Well, okay - but please don't take up skydiving as your next hobby... The DR on Ground is pretty amazing, and Evasion doesn't work against it.

[Sirea]

Bye! Can I have your...oh nevermind :p


Quitting over one encounter that your not even supposed to win?
Well, okay - but please don't take up skydiving as your next hobby... The DR on Ground is pretty amazing, and Evasion doesn't work against it.

I LOL'd :D

[Arlith]

Does any one else think they need to re-do her or take her out of the game completely?

Immune to holy weapons ***?
High dr, good saves, stupidly fast regeneration? Seriously ***

My next qualm is they need to recalculate the CR levels of the monsters inside the quest. A cr 8 quest does not contain cr 10 mobs, sorry but no. So I'm off to go find a new hobby, it was nice playing with you all.

You aren't supposed to kill whisperdoom, only her eggs. At level she is pretty much unkillable. That is by design. You meet Whisperdoom in another quest later on. You get to kill her then.

Quest levels and CR's are not the same. However, if at level 8 you cannot whack a CR10 mob you are correct, you need a new hobby.

Enjoy whatever it is you do next. I hear Flyff is a good game. Buh-bye.

[dredre9987]

Does any one else think they need to re-do her or take her out of the game completely?

Immune to holy weapons ***?
High dr, good saves, stupidly fast regeneration? Seriously ***

My next qualm is they need to recalculate the CR levels of the monsters inside the quest. A cr 8 quest does not contain cr 10 mobs, sorry but no. So I'm off to go find a new hobby, it was nice playing with you all.

if you mean the one in tangleroot then read what the orc tells you for the quest. you will see that he says she is unkillable. though later on (spawn of whisperdoom) you do get to kill her

[GeneralDiomedes]

Here. Check out this Heavy Mace of Greater Magical Beast Bane. It's so simple anyone could use it. Take a few swings. Feels nice, doesn't it? Check out the tiny engraving on the head. Its got a name on it. You know who.

Wait, what's that? You are taking your holy kukri and going home? You still so mad you could spit returning darts?

You were in the drivers seat. You could have dusted yourself off and come back in. You could have been somebody. You coulda been a contender.

But nah .. you blame the other guy. The other guy is the problem. Are you starting to see a pattern here? A pattern emerging in your life?

[Syrovi]

Off- Topic - but since we are talking about Whisperdoom in Tangleroot...
Is it just me - or can we no longer pull her away from the eggs?

[Sirea]

Off- Topic - but since we are talking about Whisperdoom in Tangleroot...
Is it just me - or can we no longer pull her away from the eggs?

It's probably got a lot to do with the changes they made recently to aggro and line-of-sight issues people have been having lately, same issue as the lieutenants in Shroud.

[Vormaerin]

You can pull her away from the eggs, but she'll come back if she loses track of the person she's on.

[Kaervas]

Off- Topic - but since we are talking about Whisperdoom in Tangleroot...
Is it just me - or can we no longer pull her away from the eggs?

She has leashed back to the egg room for as long as I can remember.
However as you can see from my join date, "as long as I can remember" is not long at all, so it's hardly an accurate depiction of when she was changed from her previous (I assume) non-leashing form.

The first time I encountered her, I wanted to try kill her after smashing the eggs, so I figured I'd drag her to the little trap gauntlet leading up to the chest. She leashed back every time she took about 5-10 steps out of the tunnel leading to her cavern.


Edit:
Oh that thing about visual range makes sense.
I'd usually be out of her sight at that point as I would be going into the tunnel with the shrine and turning a sharp corner.

[Memnir]

Off- Topic - but since we are talking about Whisperdoom in Tangleroot...
Is it just me - or can we no longer pull her away from the eggs?The person running her off has to stay in her visual range, or else she loses interest and goes back to the eggs.

[Veriden]

Firstly, I mean the cr 11 quest, not the one where she is unkillable

secondly, I don't have gold for the uber equipment b/c I don't have time to raid all day and night, life has a factor there. As for only a boring dm would throw you against things your level, not not all people min-max their characters. Which I see that role playing in a role playing game is discouraged. Thirdly Whisperdoom is obviously evil when I'm suggested to use a pure good weapon...oh yeah thats right neutral aligned characters get raped in what they can and can't use. The purpose of being neutral is to use anything. The books magical items to an alignment the rule is don't use them if you are the complete opposite alignment. ALSO if anything magical creature bane wouldn't do jack against her b/c she is not a magical beast she is a spider, urgo a vermin. Not that this game or it's many WoW rejects would understand. A fifth note, this is just the tip of the ice berg for why I'm leaving this piece of trash that claims the title of dungeons and dragons. 5 lvl 10's and an lvl 11 couldn't do enough damage to get her below half using what shoddy loot the game drops. Again, the whole role playing in a role playing game being discouraged. A sixth, and final note 95% of you guys are **** heads with no life anyways enjoy your pointing and clicking hours of your life away.

[Gorby]

Aside from everything you just said being wrong, I just wanted to point out the first one that she's not really unkillable in TR. I killed her yesterday with one of my rogues hehe. I'm sure someone will explain the rest. Best of luck in wherever you go.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9853/screenshot01159.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/screenshot01159.jpg/)

[7-day_Trial_Monkey]

Firstly, I mean the cr 11 quest, not the one where she is unkillable

secondly, I don't have gold for the uber equipment b/c I don't have time to raid all day and night, life has a factor there.

So you want someone who spends little time playing, and has crappy equipment to do just as well as someone who has played more and gathered better equipment? Simple solution, if your gear sucks, run lower level quests than the one's you are failing until you get better equipment.


As for only a boring dm would throw you against things your level, not not all people min-max their characters. Which I see that role playing in a role playing game is discouraged.

CR is not equal to party level. The game is balanced so that a cr X monster will take 1/4 of the resources of a group of 4 level x chars. Therefore, it should be pretty easy for a group of 6 level x chars to also beat x+1 or x+2 or even higher CR.



Thirdly Whisperdoom is obviously evil when I'm suggested to use a pure good weapon...oh yeah thats right neutral aligned characters get raped in what they can and can't use.

Animals/insects are almost always Neutral. So no, not obviously evil. You are wrong on this point. And there's a skill called UMD, that lets neutrals use any weapon. You can only blame yourself for not having it.


The purpose of being neutral is to use anything. The books magical items to an alignment the rule is don't use them if you are the complete opposite alignment. ALSO if anything magical creature bane wouldn't do jack against her b/c she is not a magical beast she is a spider, urgo a vermin. Not that this game or it's many WoW rejects would understand.

Many people in this game understand and use vermin bane weapons against spiders, bats, rats, scorpions. Why don't you? Or are you calling yourself a WOW reject and pointing out that you don't understand? And FYI it's ergo.


A fifth note, this is just the tip of the ice berg for why I'm leaving this piece of trash that claims the title of dungeons and dragons. 5 lvl 10's and an lvl 11 couldn't do enough damage to get her below half using what shoddy loot the game drops. Again, the whole role playing in a role playing game being discouraged.

Roleplaying does not mean you can suck and still win. In fact, roleplaying has nothing to do with success in a quest, and failure does in fact give a wonderful opportunity for roleplaying.


A sixth, and final note 95% of you guys are **** heads with no life anyways enjoy your pointing and clicking hours of your life away.

But we can beat Whisperdoom in a level appropriate group and you can't. And when we failed on our first tries, we didn't cry and quit and call you names. Are you sure it's us you are describing there?

[BoBoDaClown]

Firstly, I mean the cr 11 quest, not the one where she is unkillable

secondly, I don't have gold for the uber equipment b/c I don't have time to raid all day and night, life has a factor there. As for only a boring dm would throw you against things your level, not not all people min-max their characters. Which I see that role playing in a role playing game is discouraged. Thirdly Whisperdoom is obviously evil when I'm suggested to use a pure good weapon...oh yeah thats right neutral aligned characters get raped in what they can and can't use. The purpose of being neutral is to use anything. The books magical items to an alignment the rule is don't use them if you are the complete opposite alignment. ALSO if anything magical creature bane wouldn't do jack against her b/c she is not a magical beast she is a spider, urgo a vermin. Not that this game or it's many WoW rejects would understand. A fifth note, this is just the tip of the ice berg for why I'm leaving this piece of trash that claims the title of dungeons and dragons. 5 lvl 10's and an lvl 11 couldn't do enough damage to get her below half using what shoddy loot the game drops. Again, the whole role playing in a role playing game being discouraged. A sixth, and final note 95% of you guys are **** heads with no life anyways enjoy your pointing and clicking hours of your life away.

Read your post and examine your attitude.

Think: Is this the type of person I am?

[ZeroTakenaka]

Firstly, I mean the cr 11 quest, not the one where she is unkillable

secondly, I don't have gold for the uber equipment b/c I don't have time to raid all day and night, life has a factor there. As for only a boring dm would throw you against things your level, not not all people min-max their characters. Which I see that role playing in a role playing game is discouraged. Thirdly Whisperdoom is obviously evil when I'm suggested to use a pure good weapon...oh yeah thats right neutral aligned characters get raped in what they can and can't use. The purpose of being neutral is to use anything. The books magical items to an alignment the rule is don't use them if you are the complete opposite alignment. ALSO if anything magical creature bane wouldn't do jack against her b/c she is not a magical beast she is a spider, urgo a vermin. Not that this game or it's many WoW rejects would understand. A fifth note, this is just the tip of the ice berg for why I'm leaving this piece of trash that claims the title of dungeons and dragons. 5 lvl 10's and an lvl 11 couldn't do enough damage to get her below half using what shoddy loot the game drops. Again, the whole role playing in a role playing game being discouraged. A sixth, and final note 95% of you guys are **** heads with no life anyways enjoy your pointing and clicking hours of your life away.

Spawn of Whisperdoom is a lvl 11 quest =P

Also, it's alot easier if you use a wizard or sorcerer with Max/Emp Firewalls. Yeah she may only take half damage but that's a lot of damage over a long perious of time =3.

Ask around for tips in beating her down if you're still having trouble or wait a few lvls to try again OR ask me if you're on Khyber. Name's Koruna. Nice ta meet cha.

[cdbd3rd]

Firstly, I mean the cr 11 quest, not the one where she is unkillable

secondly, I don't have gold for the uber equipment b/c I don't have time to raid all day and night, life has a factor there. As for only a boring dm would throw you against things your level, not not all people min-max their characters. Which I see that role playing in a role playing game is discouraged. Thirdly Whisperdoom is obviously evil when I'm suggested to use a pure good weapon...oh yeah thats right neutral aligned characters get raped in what they can and can't use. The purpose of being neutral is to use anything. The books magical items to an alignment the rule is don't use them if you are the complete opposite alignment. ALSO if anything magical creature bane wouldn't do jack against her b/c she is not a magical beast she is a spider, urgo a vermin. Not that this game or it's many WoW rejects would understand. A fifth note, this is just the tip of the ice berg for why I'm leaving this piece of trash that claims the title of dungeons and dragons. 5 lvl 10's and an lvl 11 couldn't do enough damage to get her below half using what shoddy loot the game drops. Again, the whole role playing in a role playing game being discouraged. A sixth, and final note 95% of you guys are **** heads with no life anyways enjoy your pointing and clicking hours of your life away.


Nicely played. (<- that's sarcasm, btw.)
Have some -.

Tis a shame, I'd actually kept reading after your OP.

[IanW09]

Can I have your stuff ?

[Angelus_dead]

ALSO if anything magical creature bane wouldn't do jack against her b/c she is not a magical beast she is a spider, urgo a vermin.
No. A Magical Beast is what you get when a stupid creature is magically improved to something better. A vermin has no intelligence and cannot cast spells, so all of the Whisperdoom family in that quest will be immune to Vermin bane effects.

However, it doesn't make sense to try and get a Magical Beast Bane weapon, because those creatures are so rarely fought. You should be able to kill Whisperdoom with simply a couple +5 Khopeshes. It will be a test as to if your DPS is bad or decent though. DDO has had fairly few DPS-tests for you so far: Church and the Cult, Whisperdoom, Made To Order... later there will be Trial By Fire and Running With Devils.

All of those can be pretty hard to DPS solo, but for a normal party it should be simple.

[7-day_Trial_Monkey]

Can I have your stuff ?

Are you short on +1 clubs? ;)

[IanW09]

Are you short on +1 clubs? ;)

A poor man's Muckbane huh ?

But I play Permadeath anyway, so I'd just be vendoring it for Guild bank cash.

I fear for the OP in a PD guild.

[ddaedelus]

... urgo a vermin.

I would just like to point out that the word is "ergo," not "urgo."

Somebody might as well get something educational out of your blathering and if a short Latin lesson is all there is to be had, then so be it.

[FarOutFish]

Off- Topic - but since we are talking about Whisperdoom in Tangleroot...
Is it just me - or can we no longer pull her away from the eggs?

I had no problem soloing a week or so ago. She chased me, I turned jumped over her and wracked the eggs, repeat for chest.

[Shivvey]

I dont get it, we did it with a couple of level inappropriate toons (2 level 8's, one was my fighter, 3 level 9s and 1 level 10) at normal, sure it was a real *****! and we blew through a lot of stuff, but hey if a TWF Fighter Equipped with only a +3 BS and a +2 Acid BS and suboptimal Gear can hit and snag the ***** down then a level appropriate party should be totally able to do it even with subpar equipment.

Finally the CR system is a joke, its something any DM who has dealt with 3.5 knows and something any player who reads a MM realizes pretty quickly.

I think you would do better off looking at your play style or at the way your party handled the encounter, because honestly the higher you go in level the more you are going to find bosses or even mobs like this.

As a final note i am not sure about this whole line of sight deal, i mean i was in Atraxias yesterday and my fighter just got hate from EVERYONE even mobs that where 3 rooms away and had no LoS :p

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Last time I did TR we had some trouble pulling her. But honestly the group did not try too hard. So I doubt it has really changed.


The op seems to be talking about the higher lvl quest.

So....you met an unkillable spider. Then you get more powerful and want to kill her.
And you complain that the unkillable spider is to difficult to kill?!

If you remove her, what do you call the quest?! :D

I'll do that quest one day and she will be almost impossible/ I'll do it another day with another group and she goes down fast.

Kinda like many other quests.

I'm more annoyed by the endless respawns in there than Wisperdoom herself.

She's tough at lvl. But that's ok.

[Kreaper]

Does any one else think they need to re-do her or take her out of the game completely?

Immune to holy weapons ***?
High dr, good saves, stupidly fast regeneration? Seriously ***

My next qualm is they need to recalculate the CR levels of the monsters inside the quest. A cr 8 quest does not contain cr 10 mobs, sorry but no. So I'm off to go find a new hobby, it was nice playing with you all.

Didn't you know? Whisperdoom has an easy button implanted in her back! All you have do do is toss a Halfling on her back and have the Halfling press the button. It sounds easy, but it is a bit tricky. The button is shiny and the Halfling might be tempted to steal it. Be sure to use a Halfling you trust!

[Kreaper]

If you remove her, what do you call the quest?! :D



It's a Secret.

[Uska]

Since your speaking of the killable quest, well its not that hard done at level or near and didnt have any problems and no we werent geared out beyond belief, mainly elemental weapons and a wizard and a cleric were doing their part.

[Uska]

Can I have your stuff ?

why bother he already said he has nothing.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

secondly, I don't have gold for the uber equipment b/c I don't have time to raid all day and night, life has a factor there. No one suggested raid equipment, its all stuff you can get in quests, and not overly uber stuff either, some of it would be sold as "vendor trash" at the house D broker

Thirdly Whisperdoom is obviously evil Most animals and elementals are neutral, as per the D&D norms, there is nothing evil about her. You went in, raided her lair, and killed her offspring and eggs, she thinks YOU are evil, she's just defending herself and her family

when I'm suggested to use a pure good weapon...oh yeah thats right neutral aligned characters get raped in what they can and can't use. The purpose of being neutral is to use anything. No, that is not the purpose, although with UMD that is true.

The books magical items to an alignment the rule is don't use them if you are the complete opposite alignment. Nothing stops a DM from saying only holy people can use holy weapons, its actually very reasonable.

ALSO if anything magical creature bane wouldn't do jack against her b/c she is not a magical beast she is a spider, urgo a vermin.Magically enhanced they become magical beasts

A fifth note, this is just the tip of the ice berg for why I'm leaving this piece of trash that claims the title of dungeons and dragons. 5 lvl 10's and an lvl 11 couldn't do enough damage to get her below half using what shoddy loot the game drops.I sense a poor player blaming their equipment. If you compare this to D&D the DM is loot crazed, you are nuts calling these drops sub par, they are over the top powerful

Again, the whole role playing in a role playing game being discouraged. stop whining and join a roleplay guild if thats what you want

A sixth, and final note 95% of you guys are **** heads with no life anyways enjoy your pointing and clicking hours of your life awaywow that really makes your case for you...lmao.


Can I have your stuff ?

I'm pretty sure you don't want his stuff.

[Cedrica-the-Bard]

Searing Light (a cleric/FvS spell) gives purple damage on her, if I recall correctly.

[Missing_Minds]

A sixth, and final note 95% of you guys are **** heads with no life anyways enjoy your pointing and clicking hours of your life away.

Ah... poor thing. Does mommy have to hold your hand also?

Point in fact. Whisperdoom isn't easy. You should have tried to beat her at level back before their was an AH, back before paralizers and vorpals were common, back before we had PrEs..

You know, back when the game actually was a challenge. I'm sorry you fail in easy mode, then whine about it child. In your next attempt at life may I suggest when you get discouraged you ask for advice on what to do or things you could do differently. When you grow up you may find this could help you actually succeed. You'll find this works great on things that really matter. Like bathroom projects, kitchen remodeling, changing light fixtures...


I'm pretty sure you don't want his stuff.
I'm still pretty certain we could sell his stuff for at least one distillate.

[ddaedelus]

If you remove her, what do you call the quest?! :D


Veriden's Doom.

[Maxelcat]

The DR on Ground is pretty amazing, and Evasion doesn't work against it.

I have seen multiple Toons Evade the ground using the laws of Toon Physics.

[Sabek]

Searing Light (a cleric/FvS spell) gives purple damage on her, if I recall correctly.

Thats how my group did it at 9-10ish. They kept her attention, did some damage, and I searing lighted the **** out of her.

[dredre9987]

Firstly, I mean the cr 11 quest, not the one where she is unkillable

secondly, I don't have gold for the uber equipment b/c I don't have time to raid all day and night, life has a factor there. As for only a boring dm would throw you against things your level, not not all people min-max their characters. Which I see that role playing in a role playing game is discouraged. Thirdly Whisperdoom is obviously evil when I'm suggested to use a pure good weapon...oh yeah thats right neutral aligned characters get raped in what they can and can't use. The purpose of being neutral is to use anything. The books magical items to an alignment the rule is don't use them if you are the complete opposite alignment. ALSO if anything magical creature bane wouldn't do jack against her b/c she is not a magical beast she is a spider, urgo a vermin. Not that this game or it's many WoW rejects would understand. A fifth note, this is just the tip of the ice berg for why I'm leaving this piece of trash that claims the title of dungeons and dragons. 5 lvl 10's and an lvl 11 couldn't do enough damage to get her below half using what shoddy loot the game drops. Again, the whole role playing in a role playing game being discouraged. A sixth, and final note 95% of you guys are **** heads with no life anyways enjoy your pointing and clicking hours of your life away.


wow dude grow up and get out of your mom's basement

[dredre9987]

Can I have your stuff ?

dont think you want it if he cant kill whisperdoom with it LMAO

[Mani]

Does any one else think they need to re-do her or take her out of the game completely?

Immune to holy weapons ***?
High dr, good saves, stupidly fast regeneration? Seriously ***

My next qualm is they need to recalculate the CR levels of the monsters inside the quest. A cr 8 quest does not contain cr 10 mobs, sorry but no. So I'm off to go find a new hobby, it was nice playing with you all.

Hello My Friend,
Are you 100% sure whisper doom in TR is unbeatable? I’m going to try with lvl 19 tonight.

[MrkGrismer]

Aside from everything you just said being wrong, I just wanted to point out the first one that she's not really unkillable in TR. I killed her yesterday with one of my rogues hehe. I'm sure someone will explain the rest. Best of luck in wherever you go.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9853/screenshot01159.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/screenshot01159.jpg/)

412 HP Rogue, eh? Just curious what level? (And it still looks like she was taking 0 from almost everything and did you some damage).

I just did this quest last night (the egg destroying one) and I didn't even try to hurt her. Since I read the quest instructions I just assumed she was totally imperv. Nice to see she isn't.

Now, the shame is that some of the monsters in Cerellian Hills (and even Kothos wild) appear to be imperv if you sneak up on them. I've wacked at them just to get yellow 0s until I turn 'sneak' off and sometimes I even have to jump up and down to get them to notice me before I can kill them. I'm not sure if it is just a wilderness thing or if some monsters are just set as being imperv until they notice something.

[Gorby]

412 HP Rogue, eh? Just curious what level? (And it still looks like she was taking 0 from almost everything and did you some damage).

That char (http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/bull/) is a fairly new strength based Kensai I - Acro II with a barb splash. One of my favorite builds to play so far. I didn't do anything special to kill her, just DPSed her unbuffed even. Any capped melee could do the same it seems but not many try i guess? No real reason to. I didn't plan to kill her when I went into the egg room. After we engaged, She'd damaged me a quite a bit since I've got no AC there, but couldn't get over a bodyfeeder offhand once I switched. I'd guess on normal she had about 35 DR and was immune to all weapon effects, even light (radiance). Crazy regen too.

[Jasimine]

Yea know after reading this last night I decided today to get a pug together to run it on elite. Level 12 thru 14 group (well I was the only level 14, rest were 12 and 13) and the quest is level 13 on elite. We smothered it...

Our group consisted of me (paladin), a FvS specced for healing, a cleric (healing melee capable it looked like, he brought Searing Light with him for us), a ranger, a bard, a barb, and a rogue. No arcane caster at all. While it took a few minutes, longer than any other boss fight to date for me except maybe the darn lich in And the Dead Shall Rise who you have to heal to death and can't really melee effectively, we did it quite handidly and with out casualty. Sounds like you need to get to gether a better group or better gear or both.

[jkm]

Firstly, I mean the cr 11 quest, not the one where she is unkillable

secondly, I don't have gold for the uber equipment b/c I don't have time to raid all day and night, life has a factor there. As for only a boring dm would throw you against things your level, not not all people min-max their characters. Which I see that role playing in a role playing game is discouraged. Thirdly Whisperdoom is obviously evil when I'm suggested to use a pure good weapon...oh yeah thats right neutral aligned characters get raped in what they can and can't use. The purpose of being neutral is to use anything. The books magical items to an alignment the rule is don't use them if you are the complete opposite alignment. ALSO if anything magical creature bane wouldn't do jack against her b/c she is not a magical beast she is a spider, urgo a vermin. Not that this game or it's many WoW rejects would understand. A fifth note, this is just the tip of the ice berg for why I'm leaving this piece of trash that claims the title of dungeons and dragons. 5 lvl 10's and an lvl 11 couldn't do enough damage to get her below half using what shoddy loot the game drops. Again, the whole role playing in a role playing game being discouraged. A sixth, and final note 95% of you guys are **** heads with no life anyways enjoy your pointing and clicking hours of your life away.

i just have to shake my head at this. i was using tyrzza's bane and a bodyfeeder rapier when i ran this at level 11. both of these i got for dirt cheap off the AH (20k gold or less). during the fight (i and a wizzy were the only ones alive), i found out that she takes double damage to light while divine sac'ing my life away.

notes:

there are 2 classes of alignment effects in DDO

holy, anarchic, axiomatic - any alignment can use them but they only do damage to the opposing alignment (both to a wielder (neg level) and a victim (2d6))

pure good, true law, true chaos - you have to actually be that alignment or bypass it with a 20 UMD - these weapons do damage to anything that is not its alignment (1d6)

so fighting a true neutral mob

holy - no effect
anarchic - no effect
axiomatic - no effect
pure good - 1d6
true law - 1d6
true chaos - 1d6

honestly, i can see your point and there should be something for neutral characters that does damage vs good and evil (pure stability or something).

[DoctorWhofan]

But we can beat Whisperdoom in a level appropriate group and you can't. And when we failed on our first tries, we didn't cry and quit and call you names. Are you sure it's us you are describing there?

+1 rep. Nicely said.

[dunklezhan]

Now, the shame is that some of the monsters in Cerellian Hills (and even Kothos wild) appear to be imperv if you sneak up on them. I've wacked at them just to get yellow 0s until I turn 'sneak' off and sometimes I even have to jump up and down to get them to notice me before I can kill them. I'm not sure if it is just a wilderness thing or if some monsters are just set as being imperv until they notice something.

Totally, totally off topic, I know, and I'm sorry. Not so sorry I'm going to stop though - I've noticed this too. And it affects long range attacks as well as sneaking up on them. Its like the mob isn't really there until its noticed you. Is this the case through the game or is it a bug peculiar to these two wilderness areas (particularly cerulean hills)?

And is there a particular thread that already talks about this i could be pointed at. Can't find anything on a search.

[MrkGrismer]

Totally, totally off topic, I know, and I'm sorry. Not so sorry I'm going to stop though - I've noticed this too. And it affects long range attacks as well as sneaking up on them. Its like the mob isn't really there until its noticed you. Is this the case through the game or is it a bug peculiar to these two wilderness areas (particularly cerulean hills)?

And is there a particular thread that already talks about this i could be pointed at. Can't find anything on a search.

So far I've only noticed it in wilderness areas. It seems certain monsters spawn with either super-high DR vs everything until they get aggro or just high enough to 0 my stuff out ;) It happens on range also and shooting them doesn't aggro on you, they just stand their immune. It is not really a big deal but it can be slightly annoying.

I should have saved some of those lumps of coal. Maybe chucking one at one of these would wake it out of its resilient sphere.

Yeah, this is mostly off-topic but somewhat related to the original post :D

[Gremmlynn]

So far I've only noticed it in wilderness areas. It seems certain monsters spawn with either super-high DR vs everything until they get aggro or just high enough to 0 my stuff out ;) It happens on range also and shooting them doesn't aggro on you, they just stand their immune. It is not really a big deal but it can be slightly annoying.

I should have saved some of those lumps of coal. Maybe chucking one at one of these would wake it out of its resilient sphere.

Yeah, this is mostly off-topic but somewhat related to the original post :DGetting it to move is probably the only way to fix it. It's most likely an issue of the server disagreeing with the client on the mobs location due to a factor buried somewhere within millions of lines of code. From what I've seen of where it happens, it would seem to be a disagreement over a mobs exact elevation (mobs laying down or on rolling hills). But this is all just a guess.

[KayJMM]

*gnaws on Whisperdoom*

Hmm... too hard

*bashes the spider with cheap status-damaging weapon*

Softer...

*keeps on gnawing*

[MrkGrismer]

Getting it to move is probably the only way to fix it. It's most likely an issue of the server disagreeing with the client on the mobs location due to a factor buried somewhere within millions of lines of code. From what I've seen of where it happens, it would seem to be a disagreement over a mobs exact elevation (mobs laying down or on rolling hills). But this is all just a guess.


I don't think that is the case because when you shoot an arrow or throw an axe at something that is blocked due to terrain there are no number that show up, instead your projectile just sticks in the ground (although you might not be able to see it). You don't get a yellow 0. I'm pretty sure these particular critters just spawn with high DR for some reason, and it goes away as soon as they become aware. It always seems to be the same monsters. Although the same monsters don't always spawn in the same places, there seems to be multiple 'spawn maps' of the wild areas, with some variations. For instance, on the Korthos wilderness on the aqueduct sometimes archers spawn and sometimes giant rats. The giant rats are always imperv until they are aware, the archers are not. There are other spots on korthos where the rats are imperv also.

Like I said, its not big deal as it has never meant the difference between life or death, it is just kind of interesting and sometimes funny.