Weird LFM

[gemineye]

We recently find out an amazing bug....


This lfm without a name that has been up since yesterday...

[Caine52184]

We recently find out an amazing bug....


This lfm without a name that has been up since yesterday...

I saw this last night..I almost tried to join just to see what happened lol. Weird thing is it's not showing a name that created the LFM either..unless thats just a bug for me?

[sirdanile]

I saw that too, if it's up then it has been up for about 36 hours. (give or take the 12 I was asleep from the turkey!)

Can't send a tell to it and i'm not going to try to join. :P

[dasein18]

In trying to send a tell to that LFM it came up with a string table error ID (/tell stringtable error ID..... or something like that). So no name as the poster and could not join the lfm.

[archora]

I think that its safe to assume that pretty soon after posting that lfm that the person behind it was banned, probably be why no name etc.

[Mekkah]

I think that its safe to assume that pretty soon after posting that lfm that the person behind it was banned, probably be why no name etc.

Banned, eh?

*holds up glass*

Here's to hoping that it's the person at the very top of my "list" ;)

[Bunker]

That lfm is still up 24 hours later. If and when it goes away, it will almost be like a long time friend leaving for good. This lfm has kept so many company over the Holiday weekend that perhaps the devs can landmark it so it stays for ever.

[Symar-FangofLloth]

I saw a name on it once. Though that may have just been an error. Or maybe it was the real name.
I forget what it was though. Ended in an "-ors" I think...

[Captain_Wizbang]

It's the work of Broccoli Man!
He's trying to hack his way into the game!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-6-qnoEiYg

[Mekkah]

That lfm is still up 24 hours later. If and when it goes away, it will almost be like a long time friend leaving for good. This lfm has kept so many company over the Holiday weekend that perhaps the devs can landmark it so it stays for ever.

Is that a tear I see, Bunker? ;)

[Bunker]

LMAO. It is almost like a warm blanket preventing frost bite. Or a hot cup of soup keeping your strength up. When I'm all alone, in the darkness of the Phoenix, drinking........I can turn to my friendly LFM panel, and there he is, lookig back at me. A friend, a recognizable face, a companion.....

[MrWizard]

I sent in a ticket when I saw it and got a canned 'cannot discuss' from the desk.
I imagine someone did something pretty heavy and they cannot fix it yet.

[MorningStarSE]

I sent in a ticket when I saw it and got a canned 'cannot discuss' from the desk.
I imagine someone did something pretty heavy and they cannot fix it yet.


Aww :rolleyes:

[al73r]

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[SpanishBlueEyes]

LOL At alters guild chat. I am going to assume you are talkin about super mario bros wii. :D

[dragonruler]

That's kinda funny because we had that same lfm a few days back on Argo and i also received tells from ppl about this "bug". Was not amused and it got rather annoying.

[J1NG]

I remember seeing that when it first came on the Thelanis server the other day. Was a high level toon as the LFM'er. Remember the name too as it reminded me of a name of someone I grouped with occasionally back in Lamannia beta. Can't give name due to rules. But I did find it funny with this current outcome of a perma LFM :)

J1NG

[akiraproject24]

It did have a name when it first came on it was a sorc...and began with a B but i cant remember it.

[Borror0]

LOL At alters guild chat.
I would be curious to know what the full discussion was. XD

It did have a name when it first came on it was a sorc...and began with a B but i cant remember it.
The name is only good to know who was dumb enough to brag about a bug they recently found out... -_-'

[Aussieee]

Interesting,so whats the name :p ?

[al73r]

I was playing super mario brothers 2d on the wii with my sister.

Thanksgiving was filled with laughter and booze.

Good times!!

[Symar-FangofLloth]

It did have a name when it first came on it was a sorc...and began with a B but i cant remember it.

Borrors or something like that, I think....

[Borror0]

Borrors or something like that, I think....
I knew that would come up the moment I saw akiraproject24's post. Unfortunately, my sorcerer's name does not start with a B nor ends with -ors. :p

[Murgatroyd]

lvl 20 female drow sorc.

The character still exists on my.ddo ;)

[Symar-FangofLloth]

I knew that would come up the moment I saw akiraproject24's post. Unfortunately, my sorcerer's name does not start with a B nor ends with -ors. :p

Heh.
But seriously, I think it was something like that. Not pointing any fingers at you.

[DragonMageT]

I can't remember the name either, should have written it down.
They joined our shroud group first then starting spamming tells about that bug in party chat, over and over.
Party star kicked them from group and then they put up that LFM right after being dropped from group.

Say goodbye to 20 Lvl Sorc. /banned

[binnsr]

My question to The Powers That Be is why is this LFM still up and why are good, long-time players getting banned for mentioning it?

[moorewr]

My question to The Powers That Be is why is this LFM still up and why are good, long-time players getting banned for mentioning it?

Excellent question. :mad:

[Wizzly_Bear]

My question to The Powers That Be is why is this LFM still up and why are good, long-time players getting banned for mentioning it?
/signed

What gives Turbine? You obviously can't handle fixing it - why can't anyone joke a little about it? Your customer service is absolutely horrible. Reinstate the account(s) that were banned for making fun of this. They were in no way exploiting, condoning exploiting, nor discussing exploiting.

PS - If I get banned for this, no you (whoever might ask) cannot have my stuff :p

[Wizzly_Bear]

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edit #167892 - screw it, break out the magnifying glass, I can't seem to get it right. The info is there though.

[evilgardengnome]

/signed

[Shyver]

/signed

What gives Turbine? You obviously can't handle fixing it - why can't anyone joke a little about it? Your customer service is absolutely horrible. Reinstate the account(s) that were banned for making fun of this. They were in no way exploiting, condoning exploiting, nor discussing exploiting.

PS - If I get banned for this, no you (whoever might ask) cannot have my stuff :p

/qft

It's a shame that an LFM that Turbine has neglected to remove for weeks now and has become the butt of running jokes on the server remains, while those that make light and jest about the LFM have their accounts banned.

Terrible form Turbine, terrible form. You stand behind the ToS and cry foul to those that would make jest of a situation while you are either unwilling or unable to correct the source of the joke. (The LFM, which is still up)

Reinstate the account(s) that were banned for making fun of this. They were in no way exploiting, condoning exploiting, nor discussing exploiting. Furthermore, fix the **** LFM that has plagued Thelanis for weeks now.

[Vhlad]

There is a LFM on Thelanis which states:

"We recently find out an amazing BUG which helps working out 10000kpp within a fe"

This LFM has been up for weeks.

If a player comes along and jokingly states in the trade channel: "I recently found out an amazing BUG which helps working out 10000kpp!! I'm using this money to buy gold coins! Sell me your gold festivut coins!"

It should be very clear that they are
a) buying gold coins, and
b) joking about the LFM that's been up on Thelanis for weeks

To take a longtime VIP player with no prior warnings, temp bans, or exploit history, who makes such a joke/reference to the LFM and PERMBAN them is completely nonsensical. To claim such a longtime player will remain permbanned because they advertised to other players that they had found an exploit that would award the player with a large amount of in-game currency is a gross misunderstanding.

To anyone currently playing on Thelanis, this is clearly, absolutely clearly, a jab at the LFM that hasn't gone away, and not a real advertisement of any mysterious bug or exploit.

Furthermore, dissecting the code of conduct #17: "You will not exploit, distribute or publicly communicate any game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage within the Dungeons & Dragons Online game world. Bugs should be reported via the Ingame Bug Reporting Form.""

The above example is:
a) not exploiting
b) not distributing or publicly communicating a game error, miscue, or bug. No details of any game error, miscue, or bug were given to anyone. No steps or process to obtain any unintended advantage was given.

Banning someone permanently for the above trade chat example or for something similar to it is akin to permbanning someone for saying: "I found a bug that lets you grow wings and wield 6 swords at once! Therefore I'm buying 6 vicious longswords to make the clerics cry. Sell me your longswords!"

It's absurd.

Turbine, remedy this situation. Reinstate anyone and everyone who had been banned for making fun of or reference to what is contained in the LFM. And get rid of the blasted LFM if you're banning people for making reference to it.

[Wizzly_Bear]

There is a LFM on Thelanis which states:

"We recently find out an amazing BUG which helps working out 10000kpp within a fe"

This LFM has been up for weeks.

If a player comes along and jokingly states in the trade channel: "I recently found out an amazing BUG which helps working out 10000kpp!! I'm using this money to buy gold coins! Sell me your gold festivut coins!"

It should be very clear that they are
a) buying gold coins, and
b) joking about the LFM that's been up on Thelanis for weeks

To take a longtime VIP player with no prior warnings, temp bans, or exploit history, who makes such a joke/reference to the LFM and PERMBAN them is completely nonsensical. To claim such a longtime player will remain permbanned because they advertised to other players that they had found an exploit that would award the player with a large amount of in-game currency is a gross misunderstanding.

To anyone currently playing on Thelanis, this is clearly, absolutely clearly, a jab at the LFM that hasn't gone away, and not a real advertisement of any mysterious bug or exploit.

Furthermore, dissecting the code of conduct #17: "You will not exploit, distribute or publicly communicate any game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage within the Dungeons & Dragons Online game world. Bugs should be reported via the Ingame Bug Reporting Form.""

The above example is:
a) not exploiting
b) not distributing or publicly communicating a game error, miscue, or bug. No details of any game error, miscue, or bug were given to anyone. No steps or process to obtain any unintended advantage was given.

Banning someone permanently for the above trade chat example or for something similar to it is akin to permbanning someone for saying: "I found a bug that lets you grow wings and wield 6 swords at once! Therefore I'm buying 6 vicious longswords to make the clerics cry. Sell me your longswords!"

It's absurd.

Turbine, remedy this situation. Reinstate xxxx. And get rid of the blasted LFM if you're banning people for making reference to it.
I'm all for pushing the case and even willing to risk negative action against me, but I think you might be pushing the line too much by putting his name in. Just a friendly concern - do with it what you will.

Otherwise agreed and /signed.

[Vhlad]

I'm all for pushing the case and even willing to risk negative action against me, but I think you might be pushing the line too much by putting his name in. Just a friendly concern - do with it what you will.

Otherwise agreed and /signed.

Alright, fixed.

[Gunga]

Bunk for President.

Does this change what "I been Bunked!" means? Or are there two definitions now?

Vhlad, incredibly well put and analyzed. +1 Shouldn't you be using your genius more productively than capping DDO toons? Oh that's right...you live in Canadia.

Tread lightly, lest ye be bunked.

[Elaril]

A well worded post

Agree 100%, this permaban is absolutely facist behavior by Turbine.

[Wizzly_Bear]

Bunk for President.

Does this change what "I been Bunked!" means? Or are there two definitions now?

Vhlad, incredibly well put and analyzed. +1 Shouldn't you be using your genius more productively than capping DDO toons? Oh that's right...you live in Canadia.

Tread lightly, lest ye be bunked.
lol

+1

(all you other peeps I've repped too much apparently)

edit: oops, that goes for you to Gunga. ****...have to spread the Wizzly lovin around more :D

I did get Shyv and Vhlad though. Apparently I was depriving y'all of Wizzly lovin. I apologize :o

[tfangel]

To anyone currently playing on Thelanis, this is clearly, absolutely clearly, a jab at the LFM that hasn't gone away, and not a real advertisement of any mysterious bug or exploit.

I'd just like to point out that sarcasm doesn't really come across in text, and since i don't play on that server anymore (moved to Orien to get the start over feeling), how does anyone know that comment isn't from someone actually doing the bug? Maybe got reported by someone or multiple someones that thought you were. I don't know. Sometimes it's just better to be clear and not try to joke about it if there isn't a clear "i'm joking" in the text.

No fault of turbine for looking into anyone making that comment, but should probably take a look at logs and the characters to see if they exploited, and if they did then ban them, if not just a warning about not doing that.

[Wizzly_Bear]

I'd just like to point out that sarcasm doesn't really come across in text, and since i don't play on that server anymore (moved to Orien to get the start over feeling), how does anyone know that comment isn't from someone actually doing the bug? Maybe got reported by someone or multiple someones that thought you were. I don't know. Sometimes it's just better to be clear and not try to joke about it if there isn't a clear "i'm joking" in the text.

No fault of turbine for looking into anyone making that comment, but should probably take a look at logs and the characters to see if they exploited, and if they did then ban them, if not just a warning about not doing that.
This person is a well known and respected member of Thelanis. He is not an exploiter. Turbine issued their verdict with no research. Yes, maybe they should not have joked about it (because of the risk, not because it was wrong to do so) - but the worst action taken should have been a temp ban pending an investigation.

[Freeman]

Sounds like someone at Turbine followed the Stormtrooper law-enforcement approach:


All suspects are guilty. Period. Otherwise, they wouldn't be suspects, would they?

[dasein18]

Someone PM who got banned for this on Thelanis?

I will sign the petition for un-banning them. This stupid LFM has been up for weeks and I have also put up LFMs making fun of it... good think I did not get banned.. oh no did I rat myself out and now will get banned?

[tfangel]

This person is a well known and respected member of Thelanis. He is not an exploiter. Turbine issued their verdict with no research. Yes, maybe they should not have joked about it (because of the risk, not because it was wrong to do so) - but the worst action taken should have been a temp ban pending an investigation.

Not saying he was an exploiter, just that someone may have seen him joking about it and not gotten the joke, reported him, and then Turbine banned. Seems there should always be a check to see if they are in fact exploiting before a ban (maybe suspended until then or just watching them without suspension), but i don't know what kinds of records or logs Turbine keeps.

Though, i'm probably not the only one who remembers the people who got banned from exploiting the dragon raid back in the day, and people rose hell and got them unbanned. Even though they exploited and bragged about it. Not saying this is the case here, just pointing out an opposite point of view.

Out of curiosity, has the LFM stayed up through server restarts?

[moorewr]

Bunk for President.

Does this change what "I been Bunked!" means? Or are there two definitions now?

Vhlad, incredibly well put and analyzed. +1 Shouldn't you be using your genius more productively than capping DDO toons? Oh that's right...you live in Canadia.

Tread lightly, lest ye be bunked.

Goor lord, I just repped a Gunga post. :eek:

[Cyr]

Hold on are you guys screwing around or serious about someone getting banned for a joking post about that LFM? If so that is 100% outrageous.

[Gunga]

Hold on are you guys screwing around or serious about someone getting banned for a joking post about that LFM? If so that is 100% outrageous.

Yeah...a respected vet on Thelanis got Bunked for weak sauce.

[Borror0]

Hold on are you guys screwing around or serious about someone getting banned for a joking post about that LFM? If so that is 100% outrageous.
When you know the player in question, it's even more outrageous.

[DoctorWhofan]

screwing around...3 day ban...he knows better

permaban...heck no!

[Alter]

I can't believe they bunked him for joking around over an LFM.

turd-bine!!! VROOOOOOM!!

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[Syrin]

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[Gunga]

He's not banned. I just pulled Bunk out of the left chest in Pt 1 of ToD.

[Thorzian]

Just ******** that he got banned.. even dumber is that the lfm is still up over a week later. the 5 year olds still programming thelanis huh?

[Glorious]

I agree with Trissa - a 3 day slap is what is deserved here.

I strongly urge Turbine to 'review the tapes' and realize that this was a harmless, albeit, obviously ill-advised, joke, and not in any way an attempt to exploit the game. Please reinstate all players who have been banned for the same problem accordingly.

Also please remove this LFM it's a bit of an eyesore and is now also a constant reminder to all those on Thelanis about this whole situation.

[Murgatroyd]

I'm going to go cry in my Bunk :(

[JayDubya]

I'm sure if they could remove the LFM,they would. My guess is that the original poster was banned with the LFM still up, and, for whatever reason, the LFM got detached from the player. So no there's no player object that can be used to connect to the LFM to remove it (which is why when you attempt to /tell the owner of the LFM, that it responds with a String Table Error).

Which is a perfectly forgivable and minor problem, except for the RIDICULOUS OUT-OF-PROPORTION RESPONSE BY THE FORUM WRANGLERS to jokes about said LFM.

Tolero, and Tarrant - we all make mistakes. Saddle up, and admit it, and fix the ridiculous damage that the Ban-Hammer has caused, and we can all move past this and be happy.

[moorewr]

I'm sure if they could remove the LFM,they would. My guess is that the original poster was banned with the LFM still up, and, for whatever reason, the LFM got detached from the player. So no there's no player object that can be used to connect to the LFM to remove it (which is why when you attempt to /tell the owner of the LFM, that it responds with a String Table Error).

Which is a perfectly forgivable and minor problem, except for the RIDICULOUS OUT-OF-PROPORTION RESPONSE BY THE FORUM WRANGLERS to jokes about said LFM.

Tolero, and Tarrant - we all make mistakes. Saddle up, and admit it, and fix the ridiculous damage that the Ban-Hammer has caused, and we can all move past this and be happy.

Well said.

I've sent T&T a PM expressing my disapproval of the ban in this case. If you feel the same way, I suggest you write a polite but firm PM to them as well. That might make a bigger impression than this thread will.

[staples]

There is a LFM on Thelanis which states:

"We recently find out an amazing BUG which helps working out 10000kpp within a fe"

This LFM has been up for weeks.

If a player comes along and jokingly states in the trade channel: "I recently found out an amazing BUG which helps working out 10000kpp!! I'm using this money to buy gold coins! Sell me your gold festivut coins!"

It should be very clear that they are
a) buying gold coins, and
b) joking about the LFM that's been up on Thelanis for weeks

To take a longtime VIP player with no prior warnings, temp bans, or exploit history, who makes such a joke/reference to the LFM and PERMBAN them is completely nonsensical. To claim such a longtime player will remain permbanned because they advertised to other players that they had found an exploit that would award the player with a large amount of in-game currency is a gross misunderstanding.

To anyone currently playing on Thelanis, this is clearly, absolutely clearly, a jab at the LFM that hasn't gone away, and not a real advertisement of any mysterious bug or exploit.

Furthermore, dissecting the code of conduct #17: "You will not exploit, distribute or publicly communicate any game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage within the Dungeons & Dragons Online game world. Bugs should be reported via the Ingame Bug Reporting Form.""

The above example is:
a) not exploiting
b) not distributing or publicly communicating a game error, miscue, or bug. No details of any game error, miscue, or bug were given to anyone. No steps or process to obtain any unintended advantage was given.

Banning someone permanently for the above trade chat example or for something similar to it is akin to permbanning someone for saying: "I found a bug that lets you grow wings and wield 6 swords at once! Therefore I'm buying 6 vicious longswords to make the clerics cry. Sell me your longswords!"

It's absurd.

Turbine, remedy this situation. Reinstate anyone and everyone who had been banned for making fun of or reference to what is contained in the LFM. And get rid of the blasted LFM if you're banning people for making reference to it.



Could not have typed it out better. From a CS point of view, recognizing your faults with your customer base, apologizing for their existance, and laying out a plan of correction for them is the only path to take.

[binnsr]

In defense of T&T, they are forum moderators. The action in question happened as a [lack of] ingame actions and was implemented by in-game GMs. I doubt that either T or T have much say in who gets banned or not banned from the game itself.

[Borror0]

In defense of T&T, they are forum moderators. The action in question happened as a [lack of] ingame actions and was implemented by in-game GMs. I doubt that either T or T have much say in who gets banned or not banned from the game itself.
While true, it's important to remember that both Tarrant and Tolero are "feedback gatherers". their job is to collect our feedback, and our experience with the ban system is one aspect of it. Of course, we have to do so in PMs because of the forum guidelines but I would say it falls under their job.

The decision that was made by the GM is a poor one, as it seems to have been done hastily and without checking for solid evidence. (Of course assuming what the affected player said is true and, knowing the player, there is no good reason to think he is lying.) If Turbine were to leave their policy untouched after this incident, it could cost Turbine, both financially and in reputation, in the longer run for having trigger-happy GMs.

[Zipper]

I completely disagree with any ban...seriously, you can't tell he was joking. His date on his lovely furry faced timestamps at Jun 2006. This is like a cell phone company not giving an existing customer a discount but giving new clients a discount. <open discussion up here>

Is Turbine a cell phone company? Why run out of town a guy that you can pull up his posts and defends Turbine?

This ban is prolly one of the most Bunk things I have ever seen Turbine pull. This and pulling the halfling with the g-string out of 3BC are the two most Bunk things I have ever seen Turbine pull. And when they put in the death xp penalty. This, the halfling and the xp penalty are the most Bunk things I have ever seen Turbine pull. And also when they couldn't find the lag monster for seemingly 2 years. This, the halfling in 3BC, the xp penalty and the lag monster are the most Bunk things I have ever seen Turbine pull. And when they quit giving monthly updates. This, the halfling in 3BC, the xp penalty, the lag monster and quitting the monthly updates are the most Bunk things I have ever seen Turbine pull.

Give the guy back his account and punish the programmer who couldn't fix the LFM, not the player base who asked, criticized and joked about it in the game they pay to play and have payed since you guys almost closed the door a year ago.



screwing around...3 day ban...he knows better

permaban...heck no!

[moorewr]

In defense of T&T, they are forum moderators. The action in question happened as a [lack of] ingame actions and was implemented by in-game GMs. I doubt that either T or T have much say in who gets banned or not banned from the game itself.

True. The point is they are who we can contact about this at Turbine. Just remember they are taking your message to those who make these decisions, not the perps themselves.

[pumagirl418]

bad customer service turbine, but honestly whats new :(

i know lots of people who get banned for speaking there mind on how turbine operates or weird names (3days to one month)... but joking around over a LFM you won't or can't pull down, given a perma ban... seriously, you need to reconsider your Customer Service angle.

[Missing_Minds]

I can't believe they bunked him for joking around over an LFM.
turd-bine!!! VROOOOOOM!!

Actually I can. Ghallanda about a year back or so during the Korean invasion period.
LFMs were going up of "Korean only" or "Must speak Korean". There was no issue from the GMs at all.

Some players were getting a bit annoyed and started to stick up "American only" and "Must speak English.". The GMs made THESE people take them down and handed out bans as well. But "Korean only" was fine.

One of the few times I ever called ******** on their language/location based prejudicial policies.

[stilldamom]

I believe the perfect fix for everything would be to unban the person who joked about it, and to be able to remove the bad data string, re-make (or temporarily reinstate) the name of the original poster of the LFM, then take it down and delete or ban that account (the one that MADE the LFM, NOT the one who joked about it).

I came to this game from another game that was full of amature programmers (they were fun and great but you can only pay for so much). DDO is a wonderfully laid-out game and I would hate to see some crappy customer service ruin it all.

[Wizzly_Bear]

I believe the perfect fix for everything would be to unban the person who joked about it, and to be able to remove the bad data string, re-make (or temporarily reinstate) the name of the original poster of the LFM, then take it down and delete or ban that account (the one that MADE the LFM, NOT the one who joked about it).

I came to this game from another game that was full of amature programmers (they were fun and great but you can only pay for so much). DDO is a wonderfully laid-out game and I would hate to see some crappy customer service ruin it all.
DDO is like that restaurant that you just can't stop going to because the food is so good, but you know you should stop because the service is always so horrible. They may not spit in it, but sometimes you wish they would.

[moorewr]

DDO is like that restaurant that you just can't stop going to because the food is so good, but you know you should stop because the service is always so horrible. They may not spit in it, but sometimes you wish they would.

C'est tres francais, mais non?

[Alter]

surpised no one from Turbine has responded yet in this thread.

[moorewr]

surpised no one from Turbine has responded yet in this thread.

I strongly suspect that there are only two likely outcomes: no dev comment, ever, or a locked/removed thread.

[Gunga]

I strongly suspect that there are only two likely outcomes: no dev comment, ever, or a locked/removed thread.

They must be busy. I see a lot of posts from yesterday that I thought would be gone today...

[Cyr]

I think the really scary part of this is how many people might get bans from over reaching or over zealous GM's and because they are not known forum personalities no one hears about it. This incident right here demonstrates the absolute need for transparency in Turbine's exploit and banning policy. The excuses given in the past about not wanted to spread details of exploits are quite frankly nonsense. Every major exploit in the game was passed around by word of mouth just fine. Turbine operates like it's the KGB. It's horrible that this person got banned for joking around about something that is clearly common knowledge. The only thing that Turbine's current policy does is protect itself from criticism and bad press while allowing it to take the remainder of a person's sub fee.

[moorewr]

I think the really scary part of this is how many people might get bans from over reaching or over zealous GM's and because they are not known forum personalities no one hears about it. This incident right here demonstrates the absolute need for transparency in Turbine's exploit and banning policy. The excuses given in the past about not wanted to spread details of exploits are quite frankly nonsense. Every major exploit in the game was passed around by word of mouth just fine. Turbine operates like it's the KGB. It's horrible that this person got banned for joking around about something that is clearly common knowledge. The only thing that Turbine's current policy does is protect itself from criticism and bad press while allowing it to take the remainder of a person's sub fee.

They CAME FOR THE BUNKS AND I SAID NOTHING, FOR I WAS NOT THAT SLEEPY...


(Heh, I guess I just invoked Godwin's law, didn't I?)

[Wizzly_Bear]

C'est tres francais, mais non?
Oui, I mean no! Take back your French fries! I'll have a large order of Freedom Fries thank you very much!

:D

[Wizzly_Bear]

They CAME FOR THE BUNKS AND I SAID NOTHING, FOR I WAS NOT THAT SLEEPY...


(Heh, I guess I just invoked Godwin's law, didn't I?)
lol, I would so neg rep you if I could :p

hmm...actually...even if I could, is neg rep on the same counter/timer as posrep? **** my pos happy mouse!

[Borror0]

hmm...actually...even if I could, is neg rep on the same counter/timer as posrep?
Correct.

[moorewr]

lol, I would so neg rep you if I could :p

hmm...actually...even if I could, is neg rep on the same counter/timer as posrep? **** my pos happy mouse!

Find me a mere 16 points of rep, and I'll let you know. :cool:

[Battleworm]

Liberez le Bunk!Bordel!

[Wizzly_Bear]

Find me a mere 16 points of rep, and I'll let you know. :cool:
+1 (let me know how much it was)

/cowers in fear of the neg hammer

[DoctorWhofan]

If I was Turbine's banning policy, I would Perma-ban fools who break the rules in the intent of exploiting game/players.

I would give out 1 week ban for reported names (legit ones I would have 3 vote GM rule, THose who don't get the yea's, would get a warning and a name change) and a warning.

I would ignore any and all "THis language" or "this country" only ones unless it is considered racist or the intent is the malign/exclude a race/gender/country/langauge for the purpose of being malicious. I would recommend people of a certain langauge, put the LFM in that language. a week ban plus a warning to all offenders.

Reported harrasment would be discussed by a GM to BOTH parties. Verified Harrassers would get a warning and a 3 day ban.

Verified Griefing will result in a 1 week ban. and a warning.

Plat farmers harrassment, if verified, is a permaban on the IP address.

Using Exploits and are reported, and verified by GM, will also be given a warning.

Finally, Every account would have a 3 strikes or warnings, you are out policy. 3 bad names, permaban, for example.

Also, all involved would recieve an e-mail letting them know the problem is dealt with/this is the reason you are getting banned/warning.

FINALLY, I would have a QA for the GMs, hired specifically to handle complaints about GMs being unfair about banning/warnings, and to do random double-check on any GM handled harrassments/bans/warnings given out. This person would report to the higher ups a weekly report on issues and would inform them of those who do not use their judgement for their ban-hammering. Also on complaints (presented with evidence) from customers about their banning.

Not the best solution, but alot more fairerthan most.

[Borror0]

Find me a mere 16 points of rep, and I'll let you know. :cool:
Done. Consider this rep for any of the post you've wrote that I wish I was off timer that one time.

[moorewr]

+1 (let me know how much it was)

/cowers in fear of the neg hammer


Done. Consider this rep for any of the post you've wrote that I wish I was off timer that one time.

You guys rock. :)

Of course, I've used all the rep I can for today, so the neg hammer must wait!

[moorewr]

Figures.

[Jesenne]

Okay folks,

We are reviewing this situation, however please be aware that In-Game Support is unable to discuss actions taken on an account with anyone other than the account holder. And if I'm not mistaken, discussing them here is also not appropriate.

[Tarrant]

And if I'm not mistaken, discussing them here is also not appropriate.

You're not mistaken! Remember everyone, don't discuss disciplinary action on the forums. Players who feel their situation needs a review can always contact in-game support here (http://www.ddo.com/component/content/article/670).

Regarding the LFM, we're investigating it and we thank you for reporting it.