Thelanis Guild Size Stats

[KingOfCheese]

Based on the new http://my.ddo.com/leaderboard/guild/ site. This appears to be much more accurate than MyDDO for guild numbers and includes numbers for the previously bugged guilds.

793 Storm Lords
781 C.L.A.W.
749 The Sublime Permadeath Guild
725 Alpha
719 The Exploration Society
634 The Wild Bunch
625 Brotherhood of Blood Xoriat
548 Old school gamers
539 monty python's flying circus
537 Az Inc.
517 Bane
514 Inferus Sus
452 Legion
421 Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo
385 Maelstrom Tharashk
375 Smokey's guild
367 The Madborn
362 Erebus
357 Cradle Of Life
348 Order of the Sword and Rose
340 Children and Monsters
334 Dead Blades
317 The order of the Wolfpack
316 Archangels
312 Stormhaven

[KingOfCheese]

The above list accounts for a little over 10,000 characters. Assuming an average of 5 characters per player (maybe a bad assumption), that is about 2500 players.

Turbine suggested recently in press releases that there are hundreds of thousands of players. Assuming a somewhat even distribution among servers, that would mean that there are many tens of thousands (at least) players on Thelanis. If that is the case, than only a minority of players are in the established guilds. Interesting.

[Pwesiela]

#4 scares me.

[Reverand]

Wow, that's cool to see the numbers. Thanks KoCheese.

[KingOfCheese]

#4 scares me.

I suspect Smokey's may actually have the most players of any guild. Smokey's has a lot of newer players which, I suspect, don't have that many characters per player (yet). I know that the other high population guilds are loaded with lots of very experienced players, many of which have 5-20+ characters per player. For example, I'd guess Legion averages 10+ characters per player so the 400ish characters probably represents less than 40 people. I'd guess that Smokey's 400ish characters represents at least 100 people. Storm Lords may be close--but if I had to place a bet, I'd guess Smokey's has the most players right now.

As a new guild, with lots of less experienced players, that will probably change over time. Groups will fraction off and form their own guilds, etc.

The other surprise here was The Tree House. I don't remember them being around before, but they are quickly rising up the population ranks.

[Pwesiela]

As a new guild, with lots of less experienced players, that will probably change over time. Groups will fraction off and form their own guilds, etc.

The other surprise here was The Tree House. I don't remember them being around before, but they are quickly rising up the population ranks.

Makes you wonder how they're recruiting. Well, not really I guess.

[Renegade66]

Thanks for pulling that info together. I love that kind of stuff.

As an aside, Legion automatically deletes any Guild toon that has not logged in game in 6 months. We've deleted hundreds of toons from the Roster which helps keep it clean.

[Gunga]

Thanks for pulling that info together. I love that kind of stuff.

As an aside, Legion automatically deletes any Guild toon that has not logged in game in 6 months. We've deleted hundreds of toons from the Roster which helps keep it clean.

Good point, Ren. Pestilence has deleted millions of toons, but now that Niq has a new girlfriend, our numbers will become relatively static.

[Pwesiela]

Good point, Ren. Pestilence has deleted millions of toons, but now that Niq has a new girlfriend, our numbers will become relatively static.

Unless Niq has his way and you get little pestilences running around...

[juniorpfactors]

Thanks for pulling that info together. I love that kind of stuff.

As an aside, Legion automatically deletes any Guild toon that has not logged in game in 6 months. We've deleted hundreds of toons from the Roster which helps keep it clean.

I just appreciate the list, cause I have never heard of 60% of them,

ex: 168 Alliance Francophone has more members then ATD, yet I cant say I have ever seen an alliance Francophone standing in meridia/ or at AH but who knows maybe they are out there

jrp

[Delt]

I just appreciate the list, cause I have never heard of 60% of them,

ex: 168 Alliance Francophone has more members then ATD, yet I cant say I have ever seen an alliance Francophone standing in meridia/ or at AH but who knows maybe they are out there

jrp

I see them often enough, way more than ATD. I suspect AF has more active players, not just a roster, at least from my observations.

The AF I've run with are pretty good players to boot.

[Pwesiela]

The Tree House is the only guild larger than my own that I've never really heard/seen. But like it was said earlier, it probably has a majority of new players/low level toons in it, and I've not done a whole lot of low level grouping since the update.

[juniorpfactors]

I see them often enough, way more than ATD. I suspect AF has more active players, not just a roster, at least from my observations.

The AF I've run with are pretty good players to boot.

I am sure the next time I load in,,,tonight,,, i will see an entire marketplace of AF

jrp

[Delt]

I am sure the next time I load in,,,tonight,,, i will see an entire marketplace of AF

jrp

Maybe....?

You should try, then PM and let me know if it happened.

[juniorpfactors]

Maybe....?

You should try, then PM and let me know if it happened.

cant pm you in game...no idea who your toons are or your guild is? maybe you are the Guild leader of France Phono

jrp

[Delt]

cant pm you in game...no idea who your toons are or your guild is? maybe you are the Guild leader of France Phono

jrp

That's called mail...or /tells. One or the other. PMs happen on the forum. I'll see if I can find a youtube video that walks you through the process. I'll *mail* you a walkthrough link, in game, as soon as I find it (that way, you have one of my toons). Then you can PM me here and let me know what happened with the whole "in the marketplace surrounded by AF" prediction.

Edit: mail sent.

[hydra_ex]

Just a note for mindflayers. Our guild leader has a habit of not booting characters. Even those who have not logged in in 3 years.

[Deusxmachina]

The Tree House is the only guild larger than my own that I've never really heard/seen.

Buy a lottery ticket now, for you are a very lucky person.

The list is definitely missing some guilds, for whatever reason. I know for sure it's missing at least a couple that have maybe 10 characters in it since I grouped with those recently and looked them up. Though, they might just be too new to be in the last guild update or something.

[Xithos]

Nice list, oh "Lord of Lindbergh"; keep it up and you should get the forum title of MyDDO Statistician. Definitely keeps me entertained in the few moments I am trapped at work but can still read/post. I believe I have played with a member of nearly every guild on that list at least a couple times when I feel the need to go mercenary and I think it represents Thelanis fairly well.

[Vua]

The Bane list will only consist of people that have logged in the last month. Once you hit one month without giving notice your characters are booted. They will welcome you back but they don't keep inactive people on the guild list.

Also King, populations are rarely distributed evenly among servers. You will find that on all games the most populous server is the one that appears on top the first time you log into the game. In the case of DDO it's alphabetical order. So go down that list alphabetically and you will know in what order the populations go. I'm sure the population of Argo is much much larger than Thelanis.

[juniorpfactors]

That's called mail...or /tells. One or the other. PMs happen on the forum. I'll see if I can find a youtube video that walks you through the process. I'll *mail* you a walkthrough link, in game, as soon as I find it (that way, you have one of my toons). Then you can PM me here and let me know what happened with the whole "in the marketplace surrounded by AF" prediction.

Edit: mail sent.

yaya, didnt spot a single one in the marketplace nor the new content, and I was on for 2 hours

jrp

[KingOfCheese]

The new emerging guilds are growing fast. My.ddo.com has updated. Smokey's is now at 502 and The Tree House is at 305.

I'll update the whole list in a couple weeks and every once and a while after that.

[moorewr]

You left Giant Slayers Inc off this list too: 260 characters

(of course, I think roughly 120 of them belong to Binnsr :p)

[KingOfCheese]

You left Giant Slayers Inc off this list too: 260 characters

(of course, I think roughly 120 of them belong to Binnsr :p)

Thanks for the catch. I will add them on the next update (all of the numbers have changed now that my.ddo is updated, so I will add GSI with the new numbers for everyone).

When I plugged GSI in originally, it came up a dead link--I can see now that this was due to a punctuation difference.

[moorewr]

Thanks for the catch. I will add them on the next update (all of the numbers have changed now that my.ddo is updated, so I will add GSI with the new numbers for everyone).

When I plugged GSI in originally, it came up a dead link--I can see now that this was due to a punctuation difference.

Probably the period in `Inc.' - happens all the time. Cheers.

[KingOfCheese]

Updated

[Djeserit]

I would rather know how many girls are in each guild.

What I notice is that people are not evenly distributed by time-zone. Ghallanda and Khyber are the places to play if you are in Asia it seems. But I still like Thelanis because there seems to be a more casual player attitude.



I just appreciate the list, cause I have never heard of 60% of them,

ex: 168 Alliance Francophone has more members then ATD, yet I cant say I have ever seen an alliance Francophone standing in meridia/ or at AH but who knows maybe they are out there

jrp

Maybe you didn't notice because they aren't active in your time-zone for the most part?

[Kraak]

Nice list, oh "Lord of Lindbergh"; keep it up and you should get the forum title of MyDDO Statistician. Definitely keeps me entertained in the few moments I am trapped at work but can still read/post. I believe I have played with a member of nearly every guild on that list at least a couple times when I feel the need to go mercenary and I think it represents Thelanis fairly well.

**** man...had to rep you because you're just a darned good guy. Either that or I'm 1/2 way through my 12 pack. Either way, I agree interesting toilet reading. (hmmm - how does one wipe with a forum post?)

Seriously - to the op - good stuff. Cheers.

[Kraak]

I would rather know how many girls are in each guild.

When you find out that Ren is actually a hot asian girl, your world may turn upside down. Be careful of what you wish for.

[moorewr]

Speaking of hot Asian girls, another guild you might want on your list is the venerable IFS (http://my.ddo.com/guild-thelanis-i_f_s/), with 73 members.

[moorewr]

Heh, there are 29 characters still in Sicko Bulldogs (http://my.ddo.com/guild-thelanis-sicko_bulldogs/), of drive-by market place guild invite fame...

[Moorganna]

I don't see Dungeon Rats on the list... I know we are not HUGE but I think we have the numbers to qualify for the list. (I'll get you numbers if you like.) We started as just our local Pen-and-paper group over 3 1/2 years ago but have added members since then. (ACTUALLY, we have added p-and-p members from DDO via scype to our biweekly sessions!) We DO have a few PLAYERS on deployment right now (and we DON'T boot them for it) so not EVERY name is active daily, but for a small guild, we DO have members online every day.

[KingOfCheese]

Speaking of hot Asian girls, another guild you might want on your list is the venerable IFS (http://my.ddo.com/guild-thelanis-i_f_s/), with 73 members.

Thanks. I'll add I F S on the next update.

[KingOfCheese]

I don't see Dungeon Rats on the list... I know we are not HUGE but I think we have the numbers to qualify for the list. (I'll get you numbers if you like.) We started as just our local Pen-and-paper group over 3 1/2 years ago but have added members since then. (ACTUALLY, we have added p-and-p members from DDO via scype to our biweekly sessions!) We DO have a few PLAYERS on deployment right now (and we DON'T boot them for it) so not EVERY name is active daily, but for a small guild, we DO have members online every day.

Thanks, I'll add Dungeon Rats on the next update (DDO says 66 characters right now).

[barghest]

you can add "X" to the list also. Not sure on the numbers but I managed to save the guild name till our boss gets on.
btw thanks for the quick info gathering.

[KingOfCheese]

you can add "X" to the list also. Not sure on the numbers but I managed to save the guild name till our boss gets on.
btw thanks for the quick info gathering.

I've been having trouble with X. The DDO search engine requires a three-letter name to search for guilds. Can you give me the name of one of the characters in X? With that, I can link through to get to the guild site. I will add X on the next update.

[Gunga]

I predict a dramatic change in the guild sizes riiiiiiight......

Now.

[KingOfCheese]

I predict a dramatic change in the guild sizes riiiiiiight......

Now.

Lol. I should update the list with all zeros.

[barghest]

I've been having trouble with X. The DDO search engine requires a three-letter name to search for guilds. Can you give me the name of one of the characters in X? With that, I can link through to get to the guild site. I will add X on the next update.
http://guildofx.freeforums.org/index.php
Barghest/morgh/samhael..to name a few.

[KingOfCheese]

http://guildofx.freeforums.org/index.php
Barghest/morgh/samhael..to name a few.

Thanks. That did it. 166 characters shown in my.ddo.com. I'll get this on the next update.

[barghest]

Thanks. That did it. 166 characters shown in my.ddo.com. I'll get this on the next update.
:D Thanks boss..u're the cocheese baby:D

[KingOfCheese]

Updated 11/9/09

[moorewr]

One more - Like a Boss (http://my.ddo.com/guild-thelanis-like_a_boss/) - 40 characters, almost Hey You Talkin to Me expats like me.

Oh, and there's still a Hey You -> http://my.ddo.com/guild-thelanis-hey_you_talkin_to_me/

[KingOfCheese]

One more - Like a Boss (http://my.ddo.com/guild-thelanis-like_a_boss/) - 40 characters, almost Hey You Talkin to Me expats like me.

Oh, and there's still a Hey You -> http://my.ddo.com/guild-thelanis-hey_you_talkin_to_me/

Thanks.

I put a cut-off of 50 characters because there are a gazillion smaller guilds that I was finding too hard to track. It looks like Hey has 33 now. Since they are close to 50, I've added them to the list of guilds to track. When they pop over 50, I'll add them to the list.

[stockwizard5]

Ok losers ...

What 217 (216) Maelstrom Tharashk of you didn't default non-public yet?

Vx are these all yours? Fearless leader is unhappy :p

[moorewr]

Thanks.

I put a cut-off of 50 characters because there are a gazillion smaller guilds that I was finding too hard to track. It looks like Hey has 33 now. Since they are close to 50, I've added them to the list of guilds to track. When they pop over 50, I'll add them to the list.

Ah, missed that. Sorry to clutter your thread.

[KingOfCheese]

Ah, missed that. Sorry to clutter your thread.

No problem. I'm always looking for details and feedback. Post away, any time.

[Slap_Happy]

i think there are like 17 people in judos mom its a lowbie newbie guild

[xTethx]

Lets get some ratios up in this thread. How many Storm Lords, if even one, is Clay equal to? How many Smokey's, if there are enough, is Womp worth? :)

[CrimsonReLLiK]

Here sock, an updated list....

Key: Number of characters (previous number before Maintenance) Guild Name

0 (722) Storm Lords
0 (612) Bane
0 (606) Brotherhood of Blood Xoriat
0 (561) Smokey's Guild
0 (459) Legion
0 (439) Infamous Flaming Vagabonds
0 (423) Inferus Sus
0 (346) The Sublime Permadeath Guild
0 (345) The Exploration Society
0 (342) Pestilence
0 (325) The Tree House
0 (321) Order of Zeh
0 (307) Onyx
0 (293) The Madborn
0 (286) Cradle of Life
0 (285) The Wild Bunch
0 (283) Sword of Forgotten Heroes
0 (279) Alpha
0 (261) Giant Slayers Inc
0 (236) The Militia
0 (225) Dead Blades
0 (221) Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo
0 (219) DWAT
0 (217) Maelstrom Tharashk
0 (194) Remember Honor
0 (179) The Band of the Shifting Sands
0 (177) Alliance Francophone
0 (173) Attacks The Darkness
0 (166) X
0 (161) Solid
0 (160) Old School Gamers
0 (153) Order of the Imperial Dragon
0 (153) Amen
0 (151) The Bloody Toe Cutters
0 (150) The Dark Exile
0 (126) Knights of the Silver Dragon
0 (118) Umber Hulks
0 (117) AVATAR
0 (115) Drink and Be Merry
0 (111) Order of the Asylum
0 (111) Occam's Razor
0 (109) Dungeons and Dragons Anonymous
0 (109) DARPA
0 (105) Mindflayers
0 (99) Merc's Only
0 (95) Chainmail
0 (93) Crypt Crawlers
0 (93) Acme Fighting Company
0 (88) Wayfinders of Kapairian Nanwel
0 (83) Fellowship of the Golden Night
0 (82) Slverthorne
0 (78) Iron Maidens
0 (75) I F S
0 (74) Rebel Iron
0 (72) Gumpy Old Geasers
0 (69) Dawnswords
0 (66) Dungeon Rats
0 (63) Dynamic Dancing Dungeoneers
0 (60) nights Of Stormreach
0 (58) Forever the Villains
0 (55) Stormhaven
0 (53) Eternal Champions
0 (52) Ashes of the Phoenix
0 (52) Guardians of Light

[KingOfCheese]

Here sock, an updated list....

Key: Number of characters (previous number before Maintenance) Guild Name

0 (722) Storm Lords
0 (612) Bane
0 (606) Brotherhood of Blood Xoriat
0 (561) Smokey's Guild
0 (459) Legion
0 (439) Infamous Flaming Vagabonds
0 (423) Inferus Sus
0 (346) The Sublime Permadeath Guild
0 (345) The Exploration Society
0 (342) Pestilence
0 (325) The Tree House
0 (321) Order of Zeh
0 (307) Onyx
0 (293) The Madborn
0 (286) Cradle of Life
0 (285) The Wild Bunch
0 (283) Sword of Forgotten Heroes
0 (279) Alpha
0 (261) Giant Slayers Inc
0 (236) The Militia
0 (225) Dead Blades
0 (221) Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo
0 (219) DWAT
0 (217) Maelstrom Tharashk
0 (194) Remember Honor
0 (179) The Band of the Shifting Sands
0 (177) Alliance Francophone
0 (173) Attacks The Darkness
0 (166) X
0 (161) Solid
0 (160) Old School Gamers
0 (153) Order of the Imperial Dragon
0 (153) Amen
0 (151) The Bloody Toe Cutters
0 (150) The Dark Exile
0 (126) Knights of the Silver Dragon
0 (118) Umber Hulks
0 (117) AVATAR
0 (115) Drink and Be Merry
0 (111) Order of the Asylum
0 (111) Occam's Razor
0 (109) Dungeons and Dragons Anonymous
0 (109) DARPA
0 (105) Mindflayers
0 (99) Merc's Only
0 (95) Chainmail
0 (93) Crypt Crawlers
0 (93) Acme Fighting Company
0 (88) Wayfinders of Kapairian Nanwel
0 (83) Fellowship of the Golden Night
0 (82) Slverthorne
0 (78) Iron Maidens
0 (75) I F S
0 (74) Rebel Iron
0 (72) Gumpy Old Geasers
0 (69) Dawnswords
0 (66) Dungeon Rats
0 (63) Dynamic Dancing Dungeoneers
0 (60) nights Of Stormreach
0 (58) Forever the Villains
0 (55) Stormhaven
0 (53) Eternal Champions
0 (52) Ashes of the Phoenix
0 (52) Guardians of Light

Lol!

[Thorzian]

That's called mail...or /tells. One or the other. PMs happen on the forum. I'll see if I can find a youtube video that walks you through the process. I'll *mail* you a walkthrough link, in game, as soon as I find it (that way, you have one of my toons). Then you can PM me here and let me know what happened with the whole "in the marketplace surrounded by AF" prediction.

Edit: mail sent.

thats funny delt. made me smile

[Thorzian]

One more - Like a Boss (http://my.ddo.com/guild-thelanis-like_a_boss/) - 40 characters, almost Hey You Talkin to Me expats like me.

Oh, and there's still a Hey You -> http://my.ddo.com/guild-thelanis-hey_you_talkin_to_me/

sadly, i have disbanded Like a Boss due to a lack of cohesion. look for the majority of toons to end up in alpha

40 characters sure.. but between feylina and myself we were 27 of them

[Montrose]

I'm actually surprised at how high The Militia is on that list. Even though we have a lot of people in the guild, it still feels cozy (which is a good thing).

Of course, I have 10 toons in the guild, so I'm probably inflating the numbers. ;-)

I haven't really looked at myddo much. How hard would it be to do further data mining for stats per guild like:

Average/median/mode on character level
Breakdown of characters by class (percentage and/or raw numbers)
Breakdown of charcters by race (percentage and/or raw numbers)

[KingOfCheese]

I'm actually surprised at how high The Militia is on that list. Even though we have a lot of people in the guild, it still feels cozy (which is a good thing).

Of course, I have 10 toons in the guild, so I'm probably inflating the numbers. ;-)

I haven't really looked at myddo much. How hard would it be to do further data mining for stats per guild like:

Average/median/mode on character level
Breakdown of characters by class (percentage and/or raw numbers)
Breakdown of charcters by race (percentage and/or raw numbers)

All those stats can be collected. It all has to be done "by hand" though--so it would be a good bit of work.

[Alter]

I look at all these stats

quality not quantity :D (although fun factors can make this completely untrue)

Always have fun people!

[Delt]

thats funny delt. made me smile

I think the broken english mail that he got from the "guild leader of France Phono" was pretty funny....if for no other reason than that I took the time to create a new guild and babelfish random portions.

I go the extra mile for lame schtick.

[mons]

A name/character in a guild means nothing if its been inactive for an extended period of time. How many of those characters in these guilds have been inactive over 1 months time? How many characters have been sitting there for over a years time? How large a guild is means absolutely nothing if its members arent actively playing within it.

[Lewcipher]

Odd KoC. I searched for my own guild and got "Error, that page is not found"!

[KingOfCheese]

A name/character in a guild means nothing if its been inactive for an extended period of time. How many of those characters in these guilds have been inactive over 1 months time? How many characters have been sitting there for over a years time? How large a guild is means absolutely nothing if its members arent actively playing within it.

Its pretty accurate right now. Characters that have not logged in since the mod (what is that about 2 months ago?) do not show up. It will become less accurate over time for those guilds that don't boot stale characters.

[KingOfCheese]

Odd KoC. I searched for my own guild and got "Error, that page is not found"!

The punctuation and spacing has to be exact. I ran into that problem with a lot of guilds until I got it just right.

[mons]

Its pretty accurate right now. Characters that have not logged in since the mod (what is that about 2 months ago?) do not show up. It will become less accurate over time for those guilds that don't boot stale characters.

Dont know when the list is updated by Turbine but there are names listed in guild on myddo but have actually been removed from guild for inactivity awhile back. It appears these numbers are off by a moderate margin when physically viewing the numbers in guild vs myddo.

[KingOfCheese]

Dont know when the list is updated by Turbine but there are names listed in guild on myddo but have actually been removed from guild for inactivity awhile back. It appears these numbers are off by a moderate margin when physically viewing the numbers in guild vs myddo.

Hmmm. Good to know. I know that the my.ddo database has some issues. Hopefully these anomalies are somewhat random and across the board so that the relative numbers remain fairly accurate.

[ironmaiden-br]

Sockie.

Add 8 toons to Inferus sus....

Only 2 of my toons are getting actualized on myddo.

The numbers are probably far higher then what you are getting today considering that a lot of people are not getting his toons updated on my ddo.

For example Trooper / Ironehell /Dreamhealer / Charlotee ..... are not in Inferus SUS rooster on myddo.

[KingOfCheese]

Sockie.

Add 8 toons to Inferus sus....

Only 2 of my toons are getting actualized on myddo.

The numbers are probably far higher then what you are getting today considering that a lot of people are not getting his toons updated on my ddo.

For example Trooper / Ironehell /Dreamhealer / Charlotee ..... are not in Inferus SUS rooster on myddo.

I've got to go by the my.ddo numbers for this (even if they are wrong) so that it is even treatment for all guilds listed.

[Lewcipher]

The punctuation and spacing has to be exact. I ran into that problem with a lot of guilds until I got it just right.

I should have been more specific. I search for the guild and it shows up with a link. I click on the link, then I get the error message. Maybe I'm missing something?

[KingOfCheese]

I should have been more specific. I search for the guild and it shows up with a link. I click on the link, then I get the error message. Maybe I'm missing something?

That's weird. Might be a temporary bug. I just ran into the same thing. This wasn't happening earlier. It seems to be unique to your guild. You might want to put in a bug notice for this.

[moorewr]

Odd KoC. I searched for my own guild and got "Error, that page is not found"!

I've just played around with the links, and it truly is bugged. You'll have to nag Turbine about it. :(

[Lewcipher]

I'm guessing this and the guild mess that happened are related. Add this on to your case vs. Clay :D

[KingOfCheese]

I will be adding C.L.A.W. on the next update (currently up to 126 characters).

Many of the guild stats are bugged on my.ddo right now, so I haven't been able to do an update recently. As soon as this is fixed, I'll run the next update.

[Musashiclaw]

I will be adding C.L.A.W. on the next update (currently up to 126 characters).

Many of the guild stats are bugged on my.ddo right now, so I haven't been able to do an update recently. As soon as this is fixed, I'll run the next update.


Alot of Guild stuff is screwy. They do need to spend some time on the Guild UI.

[KingOfCheese]

New update 12/30/2009 (see front page). I'm posting old data below for historical purposes.


Old data:

722 (716) Storm Lords
612 (604) Bane
606 (591) Brotherhood of Blood Xoriat
561 (512) Smokey's Guild
459 (456) Legion
439 (438) Infamous Flaming Vagabonds
423 (408) Inferus Sus
346 (326) The Sublime Permadeath Guild
345 (338) The Exploration Society
342 (336) Pestilence
325 (309) The Tree House
321 (321) Order of Zeh
307 (306) Onyx
293 (280) The Madborn
286 (283) Cradle of Life
285 (272) The Wild Bunch
283 (275) Sword of Forgotten Heroes
279 (250) Alpha
261 (260) Giant Slayers Inc
236 (236) The Militia
225 (217) Dead Blades
221 (216) Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo
219 (217) DWAT
217 (216) Maelstrom Tharashk
194 (192) Remember Honor
179 (173) The Band of the Shifting Sands
177 (173) Alliance Francophone
173 (170) Attacks The Darkness
166 (N/A) X
161 (155) Solid
160 (162) Old School Gamers
153 (153) Order of the Imperial Dragon
153 (153) Amen
151 (145) The Bloody Toe Cutters
150 (147) The Dark Exile
126 (123) Knights of the Silver Dragon
118 (116) Umber Hulks
117 (116) AVATAR
115 (109) Drink and Be Merry
111 (108) Order of the Asylum
111 (103) Occam's Razor
109 (109) Dungeons and Dragons Anonymous
109 (107) DARPA
105 (101) Mindflayers
99 (99) Merc's Only
95 (88) Chainmail
93 (93) Crypt Crawlers
93 (87) Acme Fighting Company
88 (84) Wayfinders of Kapairian Nanwel
83 (79) Fellowship of the Golden Night
82 (79) Silverthorne
78 (76) Iron Maidens
75 (N/A) I F S
74 (74) Rebel Iron
72 (70) Grumpy Old Geasers
69 (67) Dawnswords
66 (N/A) Dungeon Rats
63 (60) Dynamic Dancing Dungeoneers
60 (59) Knights Of Stormreach
58 (58) Forever the Villains
55 (55) Stormhaven
53 (53) Eternal Champions
52 (53) Ashes of the Phoenix
52 (51) Guardians of Light

[KingOfCheese]

Notable points:

1) Smokey's Guild appears to be the largest guild on the server now (data not available for Storm Lords tough)

2) Brotherhood made a huge gain

3) Sublime Permadeath made a huge gain

4) C.L.A.W. came roaring into the picture

5) Most guilds gained in size quite a bit

I'm hoping the bug gets fixed so that all of the data can be completed.

Please let me know if I am missing your guild!! (must have 50 characters)

[Judo]

smokey will swallow us all!

no wait, he already does

[Captain_Wizbang]

Interesting thread! Thanks for the info!
Now can you go get the 18 members in chainmail playing LOTRO to come back here?
We also absorbed the 15 or so Knights of Blackmoor people!
Not that that matters!

But we DO have 5 babes in my guild!:cool:

[KingOfCheese]

2 more guilds added today as well.

Quest for Immortality with a surprising 858 characters!

and

People with Mic's with 146.

[Alter]

I like this thread a lot. Keep up the good work.

As much as I want to get more people in guild, the quality control division of DARPA is in full effect. Lots of paper work.

*goes back to working on the paperwork*

[KingOfCheese]

Erebus will be added on the next update--pending fix of the my.ddo.com bug. Unfortunately, the Erebus information is not currently available--although they do have more than sufficient numbers to make the list (about 30 active players--with many more than that in characters).

[Ministry]

This whole guild thing cracks me up.

One day so and so guild is the largest and then a few weeks later its another.

Then some guild comes out of no where and adds everyone off the boat into their guild and they are now the biggest, but their avg. character level is 4.

Lately at the mid to high level range I've seen a LOT of Quest for Immortality (ran with a few, pretty good) and Erebus (haven't run with any yet).

Tomorrow another guild or 2 will disappear or be merged with another and then some other will be the biggest.

**** Socks, this is a full time job you have got going on here... haha

But, more importantly to me and most likely a lot more would be some correlation of size to quality of player and some equation that states which guild you would want to team with and which you want to avoid.

Honestly, some of the larger guilds in the game are those I avoid like the plague and some of the smaller guilds are ones I always look for because of the guarantee of quality of players.

As Alter stated, which to me is the most important... leaders / officers of guilds that ensure the quality of their guild is more important than size are doing a better job than those just taking anyone without a guild tag and inviting them.

I laughed the other day when some guy from some guild I never heard of was running a quest with me saw no guild tag above my head and invited me to his guild. I politely said no ty, but seriously I wanted to say, dude... I was in Legion and *** would make you think I could go from that guild to your no name, nothing guild? I almost did, but I thought... what's the point, this is the kind of guy who won't stop doing that anyways.

In the end, I've been back for about 2 weeks now on a p/t basis and am loving having no guild. That might change some day soon as I have had a number of great people in top guilds ask me about what I'm doing, but I tell you this... I will look at the guild list and will bet you anything that I won't be joining the guild with the most members.

:)

BTW... good work keeping this all together.

+1

[Ministry]

...
Turbine suggested recently in press releases that there are hundreds of thousands of players. Assuming a somewhat even distribution among servers, that would mean that there are many tens of thousands (at least) players on Thelanis. If that is the case, than only a minority of players are in the established guilds. Interesting.

2 things...

First, I'm sure Turbine's numbers might be a BIT high, but hey... only they know.

Second, There are a number of other guild names I see running around with only a few players in the guild. This means some people like to just play with friends and are happy to stay out of larger guilds. I've also seen a number of players without guild tags or something obviously simple and unique to them to keep the guild recruiters off their backs.

I always loved that guild name "I dont' need your stupid guild".

:)

In the end, I started in Swarm, then moved to X, co-formed The Unbound that merged with Ba'al Verzi to form BVU and then landed in Legion and now solo. 4.5 guilds in 3 years and what did any of them do for me?

Not a lot.

Sure you get to know some of the players in the guild better than you might have if you weren't in the guild, but honestly I think I know people better in the game who I've not been in a guild with, than those I have guilded with. I've also learned more and had way more fun and had way more help / assistance from people like Kyrian, Eriik and Emma, Pyx, The Leader of Drink and Be Merry (and all her Cleric toons... haha), Etc... Etc..., people I've not been in a guild with. Sure, there are exceptions like Scars, Crazyhorse, Memnir, etc... but in the end, I'm sure those guys and I would have got along just the same in the same guild or not.

People will say that with a top guild you will learn more.

Umm... not really.

I learned a hell of a lot more pugging with different people and guilds than I have in the guild I was in. I find that inside guilds run raids the same way over and over again and it is not always the best way... it is their way and gets boring.

Honestly, I think being in guilds can be restrictive. They want / expect you will team more with them than you will pug, which to me makes sense, but you better really like your guildies, or that won't be a lot of fun. This is the secret to successful guilds... people who are similar and get along and have a well established guild mantra and regulations that you are good with.

So, when I see unguilded people, people with their own guild tags or smaller, more personal guilds, I can understand where you would have a lot of people not on your master guild list.

[KingOfCheese]

Thanks for your thoughts on this Ministry.

Since the F2P change, the guild stats have really gone all over the place. Even the old well-established guilds (which historically kept pretty stable numbers) have fluctuated a lot (most have grown in size a good bit).

I've been tracking these stats for a number of different reasons. Foremost--I'm a stat geek and love collecting and sorting numbers (the greedy reason). The size list also has some benefit in helping people find groups that are somewhat active. Rather than joining a guild that has 70 characters, some people may prefer one that has 400+ simply for the increased chance of there being a lot of people on at any given time (keeping in mind that the numbers don't completely correlate with ACTIVE players). Likewise, some people might want to join a smaller group where they can easily get to know everyone well. People also might get a sense for the stability of the guild based on whether it is holding steady numbers or fluctuating wildly. A further benefit of the list is that it allows guild officers and leaders to see whats going on in their own guild and other equivalent guilds.

Once my.ddo.com is more stable as a stat source, I will add some additional stats to this list (or to another thread)--such as average level, number of capped characters, etc. I did an early attempt at collecting stats on capped clerics and sorcs (those threads are burried somewhere)--but the numbers were too preliminary to have much value. I will revisit that again in the future. I am quite aware that any ranking based on my.ddo stats will be a bit controversial because of at least: errors in the data; my.ddo only shows what people were wearing when they logged off (and their buffed status), not necessarily their "best foot forward"; people won't agree on the degree to which certain stats correlate with quality; and on and on.

But the geek in me will keep collecting and posting stats. I can't help myself :)

[KingOfCheese]

So, when I see unguilded people, people with their own guild tags or smaller, more personal guilds, I can understand where you would have a lot of people not on your master guild list.

I'd love to include everyone on the list (my initial list tried to do this); but it becomes extraordinarily difficult to monitor and update all of the smaller guilds. The 50 character cut-off does go pretty small though. For a small guild with vets, this might mean only 3-7 players. I am sure the list is missing a bunch of smaller guilds with over 50 characters. I count on people letting me know that I am missing them to get them added to the list. If I see a lot of people running around in game with a tag that isn't on my list, I'll investigate it and add it myself--but mostly the small ones will need to send me a note to get added.

[Gunga]

4.5 guilds in 3 years and what did any of them do for me?

Not a lot.



Totally the opposite for me. I've made some great friends in guilds...people who I keep in touch with out of game who haven't played ddo for years.

I don't have that relationship with anyone in DDO who wasn't in a guild with me.

This is not by design, but I don't believe it's coincidental either.

[Ministry]

I'd love to include everyone on the list (my initial list tried to do this); but it becomes extraordinarily difficult to monitor and update all of the smaller guilds. The 50 character cut-off does go pretty small though. For a small guild with vets, this might mean only 3-7 players. I am sure the list is missing a bunch of smaller guilds with over 50 characters. I count on people letting me know that I am missing them to get them added to the list. If I see a lot of people running around in game with a tag that isn't on my list, I'll investigate it and add it myself--but mostly the small ones will need to send me a note to get added.

OMG.. you are already doing a lot to help people out.

As you stated, the benefits to this information to people is very valuable, especially for people thinking about joining, switching, etc...

You are correct, there are some OFF the Charts AMAZING players in a few of the smaller guilds that may not make your list, but i'm sure they are fine with it.

If any guild wants to be on this list... the oh ya... let them find you.

[Ministry]

Totally the opposite for me. I've made some great friends in guilds...people who I keep in touch with out of game who haven't played ddo for years.

I don't have that relationship with anyone in DDO who wasn't in a guild with me.

This is not by design, but I don't believe it's coincidental either.

Well bro, that's a very nice outcome for you and definitely ideal, and as you stated... an intentional desired outcome.

But, its amazing how I have way more friends in game that I have never been in a guild with then those I have been... except Scars (RL friend - same city), Crazyhorse and Memnir.

Maybe I just don't suit guild life or too much of me or too much of anyone around me is just not a good thing.

:)

and seriously... I did pug a lot over the past years or so and that is probably why I ended up reaping more benefits outside the guilds, then inside... with a few exceptions.

[Alter]

when is the next update

[KingOfCheese]

I'll be doing one this weekend :)

[Ministry]

Hey Socks, et all...

In prime time Friday night I took a quick look at the "WHO" list to see the ratio of guilded to unguilded players and it was 55/45.

45% unguilded and many of them were level 20.

So, if you take out the casual players in guilds that are in guilds just because they got scooped off the boat or made a small or solo guild to avoid guilds, it looks like it's a pretty even split.

Interesting.

[KingOfCheese]

Hey Socks, et all...

In prime time Friday night I took a quick look at the "WHO" list to see the ratio of guilded to unguilded players and it was 55/45.

45% unguilded and many of them were level 20.

So, if you take out the casual players in guilds that are in guilds just because they got scooped off the boat or made a small or solo guild to avoid guilds, it looks like it's a pretty even split.

Interesting.

Very interesting.

[KingOfCheese]

New numbers posted on the front page as of 1/9/10. The stats on some of the bugged guilds (indicated as ***) are getting a bit stale and should be considered fairly inaccurate at this point. Turbine is aware of the bug (the solution is not trivial--but is in the cue of things to fix).

Old stats are pasted below for historical tracking purposes.

Of interest this update: Smokey's continues to climb--now at 922--getting close to max size. All guilds are still tending to grow in size.


OLD NUMBERS:

872 (512) Smokey's Guild
858 (N/A) Quest for Immortality
*** (722) Storm Lords
737 (606) Brotherhood of Blood Xoriat
703 (612) Bane
487 (346) The Sublime Permadeath Guild
*** (459) Legion
*** (439) Infamous Flaming Vagabonds
*** (423) Inferus Sus
394 (342) Pestilence
386 (345) The Exploration Society
363 (N/A) C.L.A.W.
359 (285) The Wild Bunch
329 (325) The Tree House
322 (321) Order of Zeh
314 (293) The Madborn
305 (307) Onyx
304 (283) Sword of Forgotten Heroes
*** (286) Cradle of Life
*** (279) Alpha
272 (236) The Militia
262 (221) Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo
*** (261) Giant Slayers Inc
259 (225) Dead Blades
251 (217) Maelstrom Tharashk
250 (160) Old School Gamers
229 (177) Alliance Francophone
*** (219) DWAT
219 (194) Remember Honor
213 (179) The Band of the Shifting Sands
201 (161) Solid
193 (153) Amen
177 (109) DARPA
*** (173) Attacks The Darkness
169 (111) Occam's Razor
*** (166) X
158 (153) Order of the Imperial Dragon
158 (126) Knights of the Silver Dragon
*** (151) The Bloody Toe Cutters
*** (150) The Dark Exile
146 (N/A) People with Mic's
145 (111) Order of the Asylum
142 (95) Chainmail
135 (115) Drink and Be Merry
130 (117) AVATAR
*** (118) Umber Hulks
107 (109) Dungeons and Dragons Anonymous
*** (105) Mindflayers
104 (83) Fellowship of the Golden Night
102 (93) Crypt Crawlers
102 (93) Acme Fighting Company
99 (88) Wayfinders of Kapairian Nanwel
98 (99) Merc's Only
93 (66) Dungeon Rats
92 (75) I F S
86 (82) Silverthorne
85 (74) Rebel Iron
81 (78) Iron Maidens
79 (69) Dawnswords
74 (72) Grumpy Old Geasers
71 (52) Guardians of Light
66 (63) Dynamic Dancing Dungeoneers
63 (60) Knights Of Stormreach
61 (55) Stormhaven
55 (52) Ashes of the Phoenix
54 (58) Forever the Villains
54 (53) Eternal Champions
51 (44) No Politics

[mons]

New numbers posted on the front page as of 1/9/10. The stats on some of the bugged guilds (indicated as ***) are getting a bit stale and should be considered fairly inaccurate at this point. Turbine is aware of the bug (the solution is not trivial--but is in the cue of things to fix).

Old stats are pasted below for historical tracking purposes.

Of interest this update: Smokey's continues to climb--now at 922--getting close to max size. All guilds are still tending to grow in size.


OLD NUMBERS:

872 (512) Smokey's Guild
858 (N/A) Quest for Immortality
*** (722) Storm Lords
737 (606) Brotherhood of Blood Xoriat
703 (612) Bane
487 (346) The Sublime Permadeath Guild
*** (459) Legion
*** (439) Infamous Flaming Vagabonds
*** (423) Inferus Sus
394 (342) Pestilence
386 (345) The Exploration Society
363 (N/A) C.L.A.W.
359 (285) The Wild Bunch
329 (325) The Tree House
322 (321) Order of Zeh
314 (293) The Madborn
305 (307) Onyx
304 (283) Sword of Forgotten Heroes
*** (286) Cradle of Life
*** (279) Alpha
272 (236) The Militia
262 (221) Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo
*** (261) Giant Slayers Inc
259 (225) Dead Blades
251 (217) Maelstrom Tharashk
250 (160) Old School Gamers
229 (177) Alliance Francophone
*** (219) DWAT
219 (194) Remember Honor
213 (179) The Band of the Shifting Sands
201 (161) Solid
193 (153) Amen
177 (109) DARPA
*** (173) Attacks The Darkness
169 (111) Occam's Razor
*** (166) X
158 (153) Order of the Imperial Dragon
158 (126) Knights of the Silver Dragon
*** (151) The Bloody Toe Cutters
*** (150) The Dark Exile
146 (N/A) People with Mic's
145 (111) Order of the Asylum
142 (95) Chainmail
135 (115) Drink and Be Merry
130 (117) AVATAR
*** (118) Umber Hulks
107 (109) Dungeons and Dragons Anonymous
*** (105) Mindflayers
104 (83) Fellowship of the Golden Night
102 (93) Crypt Crawlers
102 (93) Acme Fighting Company
99 (88) Wayfinders of Kapairian Nanwel
98 (99) Merc's Only
93 (66) Dungeon Rats
92 (75) I F S
86 (82) Silverthorne
85 (74) Rebel Iron
81 (78) Iron Maidens
79 (69) Dawnswords
74 (72) Grumpy Old Geasers
71 (52) Guardians of Light
66 (63) Dynamic Dancing Dungeoneers
63 (60) Knights Of Stormreach
61 (55) Stormhaven
55 (52) Ashes of the Phoenix
54 (58) Forever the Villains
54 (53) Eternal Champions
51 (44) No Politics


Why not just join each guild and do a physical count, see how active they are in comparison to their numbers.

[KingOfCheese]

New numbers posted on the front page as of 1/20/10.

Of interest this update: I noticed a lot of characters with Az Inc. tags running around, so I looked them up to add them to the list. To my surprise, they are the biggest guild on the server! (or at least the biggest I've spotted to date).

[Delt]

New numbers posted on the front page as of 1/9/10. The stats on some of the bugged guilds (indicated as ***) are getting a bit stale and should be considered fairly inaccurate at this point. Turbine is aware of the bug (the solution is not trivial--but is in the cue of things to fix).

If you click around with your my.ddo pages (ie: look at your own profile characters), the guild profile info (member count) will occasionally show up -- but it will show up awkwardly (off center from where is should be, intruding over top of other content).

I know that's not an ideal solution, but maybe some posters from guilds you can't get numbers for might stumble on the buggy display. Last I saw, about a week ago, SL was at 819 according to my.ddo.com -- but they haven't had an inactive clean out in a looooong time.

[KingOfCheese]

If you click around with your my.ddo pages (ie: look at your own profile characters), the guild profile info (member count) will occasionally show up -- but it will show up awkwardly (off center from where is should be, intruding over top of other content).

I know that's not an ideal solution, but maybe some posters from guilds you can't get numbers for might stumble on the buggy display. Last I saw, about a week ago, SL was at 819 according to my.ddo.com -- but they haven't had an inactive clean out in a looooong time.

Thanks! I tried it for IS and couldn't get it to work. Let me know if you find a trick to get access to other guild's info to cut through the bug.

[Pwesiela]

Of interest this update: I noticed a lot of characters with Az Inc. tags running around, so I looked them up to add them to the list. To my surprise, they are the biggest guild on the server! (or at least the biggest I've spotted to date).

Ya know, that's kindof scary. I'm going to assume that Az Inc. and Smoky's share the same recruitment strategy.

[Crystalizer]

i searched the name of several guilds but my.ddo didnt find em, i dont think this research engine is up to date at all

[DoctorWhofan]

Do you want real people or characters? My list for my guild pretty accurate. And Alot smaller than your numbers

[KingOfCheese]

Do you want real people or characters? My list for my guild pretty accurate. And Alot smaller than your numbers

The numbers are based on my.ddo's count of number of characters (rather than number of people). The data is not completely accurate and in some cases may be pretty far off. Using my.ddo seems to be the best way to collect the data across that many guilds on a regular basis (I'd love to poll guild leaders--but expect I'd get about 3-4 responses).

[KingOfCheese]

i searched the name of several guilds but my.ddo didnt find em, i dont think this research engine is up to date at all

It stays pretty up to date now. But it has some bugs where certain guilds and certain characters can't be accessed (your guild Erebus, being one of them--I know you have a large number of players and would be on the list--but for the bug).

[DoctorWhofan]

The numbers are based on my.ddo's count of number of characters (rather than number of people). The data is not completely accurate and in some cases may be pretty far off. Using my.ddo seems to be the best way to collect the data across that many guilds on a regular basis (I'd love to poll guild leaders--but expect I'd get about 3-4 responses).

cuz we don't have 98 players. we have like 20.

[KingOfCheese]

cuz we don't have 98 players. we have like 20.

Let's give it a quick accuracy test. It shows me 50 of the 98 characters. See if these are all current (are any of these not in the guild?) (keep in mind this is missing 48 of the characters in my.ddo.com).

Alija
Matio
Mattio
Mateo
Mattia
Mateotek
Mateoo
Maatio
Darksoule
Trissa
Kleo
Sousake
Yandariss
Yandarris
Yandaris
Mishra
Sisternoel
Ashnod
Themaster
Thetraveler
Thedevish
Rashida
Phyrexian
Janezar
Avatarofhope
Nellac
Caboose
Courwin
Kaname
Mulder
Oncoming
Roselyn
Scully
Fatherabel
Doomlord
Lanarissa
Lainad
Aloufin
Kedidi
Silvymora
Darkstate
Jura
Gathoflimbo
Yanderis
Silvymori
Anessa
Dalveroth
Cthulhette
Seishuku
Healbotatron

[DoctorWhofan]

Let's give it a quick accuracy test. It shows me 50 of the 98 characters. See if these are all current (are any of these not in the guild?) (keep in mind this is missing 48 of the characters in my.ddo.com).

Alija is yandaris
Matio all the matt s arethesame person
Mattio
Mateo
Mattia
Mateotek
Mateoo
Maatio
Darksoule unique
Trissa me
Kleo me
Sousake me
Yandariss allthe Yandaris are the same person
Yandarris
Yandaris
Mishra hubby
Sisternoelhubby
Ashnod hubby
Themaster hubby
Thetraveler hubby
Thedevish hubby
Rashida hubby
Phyrexian hubby
Janezar hubby
Avatarofhope hubby
Nellac
Caboose me
Courwin me
Kaname me
Mulder me
Oncoming me
Roselyn me
Scully me
Fatherabel me
Doomlord me 2nd account
Lanarissa me 2nd account
Lainad yandaris
Aloufin
Kedidi
Silvymora silvymori
Darkstate
Jura yandaris
Gathoflimbo
Yanderis
Silvymori
Anessa
Dalveroth
Cthulhette
Seishuku
Healbotatronme




Havoric, Nannywarbuck, Dartic, heidiann and a few others. both nanny and hiediann are regular forumites.

There might be an issue. I can go online to give you more accurate numbers

[binnsr]

Why not just join each guild and do a physical count, see how active they are in comparison to their numbers.

That wouldn't really work all that well.
Some guilds have relatively strict recruiting policies.

Others, all you have to be capable of is clicking 'ok' on the recruit button.


KoC .. are you doing all of this manually, or doing scripting pulls against my.ddo.com?

[DoctorWhofan]

That wouldn't really work all that well.
Some guilds have relatively strict recruiting policies.

Others, all you have to be capable of is clicking 'ok' on the recruit button.


KoC .. are you doing all of this manually, or doing scripting pulls against my.ddo.com?

he's scripting pulls. my guild is small I cna give him a more accurate count.

[KingOfCheese]

KoC .. are you doing all of this manually, or doing scripting pulls against my.ddo.com?

Manually. It doesn't take that long--and let's me "see" a lot more (for example, a few of the guilds aren't active any more--I may delist them at some point).

[DoctorWhofan]

Just counted. Roughly 48 players in the guild. I would say about 40, given alts I do not know about.

[Delt]

Thanks! I tried it for IS and couldn't get it to work. Let me know if you find a trick to get access to other guild's info to cut through the bug.

I screwed around with it a bit, and noticed I get the guild info only with certain characters in a guild. For instance, shehulk (not me) shows me the numbers every time - even refreshing, clearing the cache, opening a new browser instance. You can check and see if you find the same info. In which case, I guess it's only certain toons that show the info, and you gotta click your way to it and get lucky.

Here is what it looks like:

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4259/78316357.th.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/78316357.jpg/)

I'm not totally sure my.ddo is tracking the numbers correctly though. 819 last I saw and now 844? I doubt that. I think it might be messing up on TRs or deletions/rerolls somehow. /shrug

Still, some numbers are better than none.

[KingOfCheese]

I screwed around with it a bit, and noticed I get the guild info only with certain characters in a guild. For instance, shehulk (not me) shows me the numbers every time - even refreshing, clearing the cache, opening a new browser instance. You can check and see if you find the same info. In which case, I guess it's only certain toons that show the info, and you gotta click your way to it and get lucky.

Here is what it looks like:

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4259/78316357.th.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/78316357.jpg/)

I'm not totally sure my.ddo is tracking the numbers correctly though. 819 last I saw and now 844? I doubt that. I think it might be messing up on TRs or deletions/rerolls somehow. /shrug

Still, some numbers are better than none.

WOW! Weird. We get to use a bug to fix a bug.

I'll see if I can find one proxy character in each of the missing guilds that I can use for the updates. I have one for Storm Lords now! Thanks a ton Delt.

[DoctorWhofan]

WOW! Weird. We get to use a bug to fix a bug.

I'll see if I can find one proxy character in each of the missing guilds that I can use for the updates. I have one for Storm Lords now! Thanks a ton Delt.

Did you figure out my question?

[KingOfCheese]

Did you figure out my question?

I was able to pull all the names from my.ddo by cross sorting forward and backwards alphabetically. Here are the 98 characters listed for Merc's. To figure out what my.ddo has wrong or stale--is it possible for you to identify/confirm?:

1) that all of the characters were a member at some time
2) which are no longer members--and when they were removed/withdrew

If you are counting 40ish current characters in guild, this means that my.ddo has another 50 that shouldn't be there.

I'd like to try to figure out if my.ddo holds onto some old data and never lets it go. I know I've seen some characters switch guilds and they do disappear from one guild list and appear on another. So I'm wondering what mechanisms cause it to represent characters as currently in the guild if they are not.

Alija
Aloufin
Anessa
Aritham
Ashnod
Avatarofhope
Babylero
Boogar
Caboose
Courwin
Cthulhette
Dalveroth
Darksoule
Darkstate
Dartic
Daschande
Doomlord
Dremix
Dugon
Dugonknee
Elvlyn
Farnir
Fatherabel
Fistthatkill
Gathoflimbo
Hasworth
Healbotatron
Heeroyuy
Iamvery
Janezar
Jarathe
Jayehawk
Jennysmith
Joesfat
Jura
Kaelur
Kaname
Keatheran
Kedidi
Kenzik
Khalec
Killandor
Kleo
Lainad
Lanarissa
Maatio
Mateo
Mateoo
Yanderis
Yandarris
Yandariss
Yandaris
Yandaras
Waylonn
Tyranuss
Trissa
Triduana
Tonage
Tnannet
Thorrimm
Thetraveler
Theodoseus
Themaster
Thedevish
Sueywyn
Spasmolytic
Sousake
Snoogard
Sisternoel
Silvymori
Silvymora
Shianri
Shankers
Shadorc
Seishuku
Scully
Roselyn
Rheddd
Reinhert
Ravinder
Rashida
Pyntsize
Phyrexian
Oncoming
Numot
Nilk
Nellac
Mystrana
Mulder
Morphx
Morphcaster
Morca
Mishra
Maxoverkill
Mattio
Mattia
Matio
Mateotek

[mons]

That wouldn't really work all that well.
Some guilds have relatively strict recruiting policies.

Others, all you have to be capable of is clicking 'ok' on the recruit button.


KoC .. are you doing all of this manually, or doing scripting pulls against my.ddo.com?

So physically going into a guild to get an accurate # of total characters along with how many are actually active (weekly/monthly..etcetera) wouldnt in your opinion work?? hmmm...ok

[binnsr]

So physically going into a guild to get an accurate # of total characters along with how many are actually active (weekly/monthly..etcetera) wouldnt in your opinion work?? hmmm...ok
All I was saying is that some guilds aren't going to let just any random-joe who asks join the guild - even if they say they are only joining for a couple of minutes to collect statistical data..

[Pwesiela]

All I was saying is that some guilds aren't going to let just any random-joe who asks join the guild - even if they say they are only joining for a couple of minutes to collect statistical data..

Perhaps, but the majority of (good) guilds probably would. Especially those with members who are active on the forums and know what you're looking to do. Feel free to look me up if you want ;).

[KingOfCheese]

Saved for historical purposes

1099 (N/A) Az Inc.
962 (922) Smokey's Guild
864 (865) Quest for Immortality
765 (738) Brotherhood of Blood Xoriat
737 (711) Bane
*** (722) Storm Lords
531 (511) The Sublime Permadeath Guild
531 (453) C.L.A.W.
*** (459) Legion
*** (439) Infamous Flaming Vagabonds
*** (423) Inferus Sus
403 (381) The Wild Bunch
401 (394) Pestilence
397 (394) The Exploration Society
329 (329) The Tree House
320 (322) Order of Zeh
320 (317) The Madborn
319 (315) Sword of Forgotten Heroes
304 (304) Onyx
304 (276) Old School Gamers
291 (277) The Militia
*** (286) Cradle of Life
*** (279) Alpha
269 (264) Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo
*** (261) Giant Slayers Inc
261 (259) Dead Blades
251 (251) Maelstrom Tharashk
242 (238) Alliance Francophone
229 (216) The Band of the Shifting Sands
223 (220) Remember Honor
*** (219) DWAT
209 (182) DARPA
204 (203) Solid
198 (199) Amen
187 (165) People with Mic's
178 (177) Occam's Razor
176 (153) Chainmail
*** (173) Attacks The Darkness
171 (166) Knights of the Silver Dragon
*** (166) X
156 (158) Order of the Imperial Dragon
*** (151) The Bloody Toe Cutters
*** (150) The Dark Exile
150 (146) Order of the Asylum
142 (139) Drink and Be Merry
133 (132) AVATAR
*** (118) Umber Hulks
108 (104) Acme Fighting Company
107 (107) Dungeons and Dragons Anonymous
*** (105) Mindflayers
105 (104) Fellowship of the Golden Night
104 (102) Crypt Crawlers
103 (100) Wayfinders of Kapairian Nanwel
99 (93) Dungeon Rats
98 (98) Merc's Only
96 (92) I F S
86 (85) Silverthorne
86 (80) Iron Maidens
85 (85) Dawnswords
85 (84) Rebel Iron
80 (79) Grumpy Old Geasers
76 (72) Guardians of Light
68 (68) Dynamic Dancing Dungeoneers
63 (63) Knights Of Stormreach
64 (62) Stormhaven
55 (55) Ashes of the Phoenix
55 (55) Eternal Champions
54 (54) Forever the Villains
52 (52) No Politics

[KingOfCheese]

Update 2/2/10

A few items worth mentioning:

First and foremost: I've added a column to include actual numbers provided by a guild member. So far I've only added my own guild. If you would like, please designate a member of your guild to post your actual numbers here and I will add them to the updates. So that we are all following the same process (and comparing apples to apples), please obtain the number by entering the game, going to the guild tab, and counting all characters listed (whether active or not). I found the easiest way to do this is to resize the window so that it includes exactly a certain number of characters (I used 15), start at the bottom, click up using the side bar, then multiply the number of clicks by the number per page and add any extra ones from the last page (that didn't fill a full page).

It would be great if one person from each guild (that is interested in participating) could be designated to provide this info to keep things consistent.


1) added eNigma '
2) removed Forever the Villains (no activity)
3) Smokey's broke the 1000 barrier

[Captain_Wizbang]

Chainmail Guild as of 02/02/2010

in-game & website active members are
38 active members
310 characters

The Myddo.com numbers are way off!

how often is that list updated? And WHO updates it?

[KingOfCheese]

Thanks ferd--updating now.

From what I can tell, my.ddo updates in real time on some things, but fails to update other things or does so only once in a while.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

3) Smokey's broke the 1000 barrier

The recent guild mass deletion joke on Argo has demonstrated two things...

1) the guild limit is still 1000
2) the guild numbers on myDDO.com are totally bogus. It would appear that people who leave the guild or are kicked are not removed from the myddo.com page

[KingOfCheese]

The recent guild mass deletion joke on Argo has demonstrated two things...

1) the guild limit is still 1000
2) the guild numbers on myDDO.com are totally bogus. It would appear that people who leave the guild or are kicked are not removed from the myddo.com page

It does appear that there is some of that--but it isn't perfectly wrong that way either--which makes it even more unpredictable. For example, I know people that have left my guild (or been booted) have accurately been reported on my.ddo. But it is also clear that others are not. I'm still watching to see if there is a specific consistent and predictable mechanism to this. For example, if someone is booted or leaves and joins another guild--perhaps it updates. But if they leave the game or don't re-guild it does not? Who knows. I figure we will figure it out over time--or at least figure out what we can't figure out.

I know that for Inferus Sus, the numbers have been pretty accurate (although not perfect) on my.ddo. But I think that is in part due to the fact that we clear the guild roster regularly to remove characters that have not logged on recently.

[binnsr]

It would be great if one person from each guild (that is interested in participating) could be designated to provide this info to keep things consistent.


Giant Slayers Inc
376 as of 2/2/10

my.ddo.com said we have 261 as of the last time the guild was visible there.. bit of a difference :)

[Lorien_the_First_One]

It does appear that there is some of that--but it isn't perfectly wrong that way either--which makes it even more unpredictable. For example, I know people that have left my guild (or been booted) have accurately been reported on my.ddo. But it is also clear that others are not. I'm still watching to see if there is a specific consistent and predictable mechanism to this. For example, if someone is booted or leaves and joins another guild--perhaps it updates. But if they leave the game or don't re-guild it does not? Who knows. I figure we will figure it out over time--or at least figure out what we can't figure out.

I know that for Inferus Sus, the numbers have been pretty accurate (although not perfect) on my.ddo. But I think that is in part due to the fact that we clear the guild roster regularly to remove characters that have not logged on recently.

Interesting. Well if you figure it out tell T&T, I'm sure they'd love to know

[mons]

Bane Guild as of 2/3/2010 - 500

[KingOfCheese]

Bane Guild as of 2/3/2010 - 500

Thanks Mons--posting that data now.

[KingOfCheese]

Erebus added--based on actual count (my.ddo data still not available)

[binnsr]

Giant Slayers Inc
376 as of 2/2/10

my.ddo.com said we have 261 as of the last time the guild was visible there.. bit of a difference :)

missed this one?

[KingOfCheese]

missed this one?

I did--sry. Updated now.

[Lynx]

Hello

Credendo Vides is a small, but growing guild, mixing new players with experienced players. We welcome all serious, relaxed, team-players (pay-to-play & free-to-play) and strive to remain drama free. Credendo Vides is Latin, meaning: By Believing, One Sees. To many of the players of DDO, this sums up the game experience. To us in Credendo Vides, this is how we play our characters and therefore the game. We help our members develop and level their characters. A lot of our members are girls experiencing this game for the first time or even having played with their brothers and boyfriends. We also have guys who played paper & pen (tabletop) when D&D first came out, and know their rules. We do not try to cheat the game or the experience. We do share gold, items and knowledge with our newer members, as they develop and refine their characters, as they choose. Our guild preaches and teaches team play over solo play and we will start running multiple guild runs for quests. We are currently recruiting (see Holly or send tell) for like minded players..... By Believing, Ones Sees....

Tanya

1) Guild leader: Holly - female Bard
2) Guild officer: Tanyaa - female Fighter
3) Guild successor/officer: Morrigwyn - female Fighter
4) Guild officer: UrsoNovo - male Sorcerer / Barbarian
5) Guild officer: Eldarian - male Paladin

[darkminstrel]

We're #1!! We're #!!!

...Sorta...

AZinc's reporting is correct for members, but not actives. I'll have to verify, but our active membership is closer to 800 than 1100.

[DragonMageT]

Those numbers seem inflated. With over a 1000 members you would think that one would see AZ Inc. all over the place.

I rarely see a AZ Inc guildie in party or just standing around. Where as, I see or have grouped with Smokey's guild
considerably more times than AZ Inc. Maybe it's the time I play, maybe it's the circles I run in, maybe it's the quest I am running in, maybe! I am actually surprised when I see a AZ Inc. member in game.

KingOfCheese, do you use some kind of filter based upon Last updated ?
And if not, wouldn't a filter such as last updated minus some period of time (say 30 days) give better results.
This would filter out people that have joined a guild and then quite or stopped playing.
Or maybe use character log of last quest completed date - period of time.

Sorry if this question has been asked and answered before.

Disclaimer, I do not belong to AZ Inc. or Smokey's Guild and these are just my personal observations.

[darkminstrel]

I rarely see a AZ Inc guildie in party or just standing around. Where as, I see or have grouped with Smokey's guild
considerably more times than AZ Inc. Maybe it's the time I play, maybe it's the circles I run in, maybe it's the quest I am running in, maybe! I am actually surprised when I see a AZ Inc. member in game.


Most are in the 2-8th range. Though the core group are hovering from 10-15th at this point. We only have a handful of 16th+, myself one of them. From my interactions I see that the bulk are on in the early morning(0400pst) or in the late evening(1800pst).

[KingOfCheese]

Long overdue update. This is based on:

http://my.ddo.com/leaderboard/guild/

This site appears to be much more accurate than the prior MyDDO data--which showed some guilds over 1000 members (which isn't possible).

[Delt]

Heh, Storm Lords really is the biggest guild on the server. Interesting.

[Thrudh]

Long overdue update. This is based on:

http://my.ddo.com/leaderboard/guild/

This site appears to be much more accurate than the prior MyDDO data--which showed some guilds over 1000 members (which isn't possible).

Scrape all those pages, and get us a full count of characters in guilds....

(Actually, wait until they change the web-site and post unique accounts, then count those)

[Ministry]

As always Socks, TY for all your efforts.

So, I guess this reknown has something to do with size and activity in guild.

1/2 our guild is leveling lowbies and many are on vacation... bad timing... but at least we are 20. Nice effort on the few people we have online.

:)

[adRyft]

Interestingly, Musashi used to purge C.L.A.W. of inactive toons even before the renown system went into effect, including inactive alts of active members. Every few months he goes through the list and boots any toon that hasn't been logged in for 4 months, or some similar length of time. Toons that become active again need only ask for a reinvite, but I don't think many do.

We've talked of late about unguilding mules and similar toons for purposes of the renown system, because it's nice to not have to work as hard to climb in rank. We're steadily climbing despite most of us not fundamentally changing our play style. I think the only difference I've made to my own play style is taking renown quest rewards (of any size) when the alternative is vendor trash (of any price level), and perhaps trying to make certain not to skip any easy chests no matter the quest level just because of the potential for renown drops.

Most of the senior C.L.A.W. members that are on all the time have between 4 and 8 active toons that get frequent play. A lot of junior members have only 1 or 2 active. I note many applicants have a list of lowbie (probably gimped) toons that I never see get any play time after they join. That's, uh... probably a good thing. :) Most of those toons probably don't get guilded, and the ones that do get flushed out by Musashi, eventually.

[moorewr]

We're steadily climbing despite most of us not fundamentally changing our play style. I think the only difference I've made to my own play style is taking renown quest rewards (of any size) when the alternative is vendor trash (of any price level), and perhaps trying to make certain not to skip any easy chests no matter the quest level just because of the potential for renown drops.

Right - this is the extent of the change in my play as well. I haven't seen anyone say "let's farm renown" - maybe, "hey, we were going to do an elite shroud, I bet that's great for renown." Better things to do with my time than farm or grind..

[adRyft]

Right - this is the extent of the change in my play as well. I haven't seen anyone say "let's farm renown" - maybe, "hey, we were going to do an elite shroud, I bet that's great for renown." Better things to do with my time than farm or grind..

Yeah, exactly. For the advantages the renown system potentially gives me, it's still worth more to me to spend my time doing whatever benefits me the most, even if that means a mostly-renownless Sands explorer grind for various loot (or whatever it is I decide is what I need to be doing the most).

Having access to an in-guild 5% XP boost is probably not as useful as aquiring key gear, and getting it on quest XP is probably not even going to outpace the rate of XP gain if I'm doing something like a toon's first run of a new explorer area for early s/r/e gains.

And while the renown perks are nice, the guild perks are nicer, anyway. I wouldn't give up C.L.A.W. if we were last in the leaderboards and had no airship or benefits of any kind.

[dasein18]

1. Are you getting any royalities from Turbine for taking both of your ideas?

2. What will you do with your spare time now?

[die]

lol those numbers have too be alts lol becasue ive never seen more than say 20 toons on and thats a heavy weekend

[KingOfCheese]

1. Are you getting any royalities from Turbine for taking both of your ideas?

2. What will you do with your spare time now?

1. Yes. They seem to be sending me 500-1000 turbine points each month as a royalty. I just need to make a small monthly cash deposit to cover "handling charges."

2. I guess I'll go back to keeping stats on the respective e-peen sizes of various guilds and players. I haven't posted these yet--am still working on the correct algorithms that downplay my shortcomings.

[dasein18]

1. Yes. They seem to be sending me 500-1000 turbine points each month as a royalty. I just need to make a small monthly cash deposit to cover "handling charges."

2. I guess I'll go back to keeping stats on the respective e-peen sizes of various guilds and players. I haven't posted these yet--am still working on the correct algorithms that downplay my shortcomings.

lol.

[Iambeastx]

I personally think its nice to see a perma death guild so high on member numbers.

[tihocan]

Long overdue update. This is based on:

http://my.ddo.com/leaderboard/guild/

This site appears to be much more accurate than the prior MyDDO data--which showed some guilds over 1000 members (which isn't possible).
May want to add a note that it counts all characters, including inactive ones. Some guilds look bigger than they really are due to not having any purge policy.

[EddieB_TBC]

Probably don't hear about them too much but Cradle of Life currently has roughly a 3 month threshold on removing inactive characters (other than about 30 which belong to a couple members on a 6-month break.)

My time reference being east coast US (EST), they see activity for a couple players almost always online other than the very wee hours of the morning, and usually have larger showings 12-15 players at peak EST and PST play times.