Petition to bring back remove from group inside adventures

[maddness018]

Been in a number of groups lately with dead weight, or people that are doing more damage than good. Want you bring back the ability to boot people from the group while in the adventure. Sick of carrying people through quests. If you can't contribute then get out of my group, I'm not in the business of getting you loot. This type of occurence is especially irritating when your loot running a quest and this dead weight pulls what you need after doing nothing the entire quest. Anyone else want in on this petition?

[FluffyCalico]

Been in a number of groups lately with dead weight, or people that are doing more damage than good. Want you bring back the ability to boot people from the group while in the adventure. Sick of carrying people through quests. If you can't contribute then get out of my group, I'm not in the business of getting you loot. This type of occurence is especially irritating when your loot running a quest and this dead weight pulls what you need after doing nothing the entire quest. Anyone else want in on this petition?

The feature is here. Recall, and reform without them.

[Ciaran]

As much as I may agree, I think it'd be too easily exploited by some people and used for griefing. As I recall, this is one of the reasons they changed it in the first place.

Recall, reform sans offending person, add them to your "Friends" list, move on.

[Memnir]

Nope.

[Shaddock]

Maybe some vote system where the other members of the party voted for a kick, like in many FPS games. Can still see it being abused, but seems like a compromise of sorts.

[BLAKROC]

Been in a number of groups lately with dead weight, or people that are doing more damage than good. Want you bring back the ability to boot people from the group while in the adventure. Sick of carrying people through quests. If you can't contribute then get out of my group, I'm not in the business of getting you loot. This type of occurence is especially irritating when your loot running a quest and this dead weight pulls what you need after doing nothing the entire quest. Anyone else want in on this petition?

so looks like this post is driven by loot envy :D

and it's a bad idea greifing was insane when it was that way, as another suggested recall and reform, if quest is more than 50% then just finish it and then reform or better yet boot when quest is done.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

don't agree with the OP - we used to have this around mod0 then it was removed for good reasons.

Recall and reform.

(normally don't chime in on petition threads, but this is Sarlona forums!)

Garth

[Gornn]

Been in a number of groups lately with dead weight, or people that are doing more damage than good. Want you bring back the ability to boot people from the group while in the adventure. Sick of carrying people through quests. If you can't contribute then get out of my group, I'm not in the business of getting you loot. This type of occurence is especially irritating when your loot running a quest and this dead weight pulls what you need after doing nothing the entire quest. Anyone else want in on this petition?

/no.

Too many griefing opportunities to be had.

Drop them after you leave the dungeon; after all if you can't carry one or two stones through a trainwreck, what's the point in playing? CHOO CHOO

[IronAngel]

I also don't agree with the OP. People would get to the end and kick somebody out just before mission completion to rob them of chest and XP. The same thing could happen with a vote to boot. Some guildies needing something could tolerate a terrible player and then all vote them out to rob them of their fair share.

Maybe if they did bring this back the booted person gets teleported to their own dungeon instance so they can complete for xp and chests, but again this would have many problems.

I really hope this is not done!

[geoffhanna]

Can we boot sadizt?

[Zenako]

Nope...too much griefing...just leave them dead somewhere.

[Uska]

no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wyrmnax]

Nope...too much griefing...just leave them dead somewhere.

Toss his stone into a lava pool.

[sirgog]

Toss his stone into a lava pool.

Always works for me.

/not signed. I've played another MMO (WoW) where party leaders can do this - it's horrible.

[Zenako]

Toss his stone into a lava pool.

That requires ME to spend time doing something, as opposed to the default of inaction on my part to save them. Although it probably does get the point across a bit better, but it is also something that might borderline on being against some interpretation of the code, so I don't do that...

[Dexxaan]

/Not Signed.... Tempted everyday...but still cannot agree.


If implemented.......What would happen to Quik???? :D:eek:



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[Grinndal]

Besides if I can't wait at the entrance to the quest and soak up all your XP why would I even play this game? I will find my way to your end chest after the quest is complete just fine without your help. Why should you expect me to actually help with the quest? Don't be upset when my hafling pulls your docent of defiance. I really need the plat I will sell it for on the AH.

How about a boot party leader button? Then when that guy is screaming at me "Help us! Help us!" I can just boot him and go on with my business of looting the chests that are already open.

[Solmage]

don't agree with the OP - we used to have this around mod0 then it was removed for good reasons.

Recall and reform.

(normally don't chime in on petition threads, but this is Sarlona forums!)

Garth

Remind me again why I should be against this please? I never got griefed so I didn't get to experience the downsides, I just know ever since the change I've sorely missed it.

[Alavatar]

Remind me again why I should be against this please? I never got griefed so I didn't get to experience the downsides, I just know ever since the change I've sorely missed it.

While I never received the boot I have been in parties that did boot someone in the middle of a quest.

Several examples of what I have seen:

1. Party is working through the dungeon and going rather smoothly. Right after a rest shrine the leader boots one of the players from the group to make room for a guildy.

2. Party forms. One of the players was extremely new and did not know the quest and said so before the quest started. The rest of the party zergged through the quest without explaining to the new guy how to do it, so the new guy got lost and died. Party leader booted new guy before quest was over.

3. Ran the Tempest Spine. Right before opening the end chest the Party Leader booted everyone he felt did not contribute enough.

I subsequently left every one of those parties (I recalled from the TS run out of principle).

[bandyman1]

I also don't agree with the OP. People would get to the end and kick somebody out just before mission completion to rob them of chest and XP. The same thing could happen with a vote to boot. Some guildies needing something could tolerate a terrible player and then all vote them out to rob them of their fair share.

Maybe if they did bring this back the booted person gets teleported to their own dungeon instance so they can complete for xp and chests, but again this would have many problems.

I really hope this is not done!

Not that I agree with this idea;

But how would they be robbing you of your fair share???

It's not as if they get your XP or chest loot after your booted.

[Ralmeth]

As frustrating as it can be sometimes, I do not think they should add this feature as it seems like it could be abused too easily. If someone is being a drag, generally I try to point them in the right direction, give advice on what to do, etc. so they can contribute and learn the game better...if they don't listen, still don't get it, etc, just leave their stone whereever it falls and try not to group with them again.

[Hendrik]

I shudder at the thought of a leader with this ability again.

Without reforming, there are much more fun way's to deal with "dead weight".

:D

[shores11]

Been in a number of groups lately with dead weight, or people that are doing more damage than good. Want you bring back the ability to boot people from the group while in the adventure. Sick of carrying people through quests. If you can't contribute then get out of my group, I'm not in the business of getting you loot. This type of occurence is especially irritating when your loot running a quest and this dead weight pulls what you need after doing nothing the entire quest. Anyone else want in on this petition?

/not signed

[Oxvon]

TC, To be honest, this petition is dumb. There is a reason Turbine changed this so early on in the game.

[Ciaran]

Just thought of a caveat to this, but it'd probably take way more coding than it'd be worth.

Personal example:

Running Bastion we get to the end fight, beat down the pit fiend and the marilith spawns and cuts us to ribbons. Apparently our caster ninja-afk'd in the middle of us fighting the marilith so we had no fogs, firewalls or CC of any kind. We wipe, are able to recover and wait 5 minutes to see if the caster comes back. Still AFK.

We decide "screw it", I have a ton of cold iron arrows on my tempest barb and the silver longbow, I'll just kite the marilith and whittle her down that way. We get her to 40%, then the other two melee dealing with the trash go down and I accidently step into a dancing ball. :o

At this time a guildie logs in on his Sorc, offers to help but as we were full with our caster still AFK 15 minutes later we can't do anything but reform and reset the instance in the process. As it was close to raid time, we just cut our losses and did Hound.

It'd be nice if somebody goes AFK for a long period of time to be able to remove them from group, as that would've helped in this situation. Although, I'd rather put up with these relatively rare instances of "Gee, it'd be nice if we could kick that guy who afk'ed forever and a day ago" then see the kind of griefing that went on back when you could kick people out while in a dungeon.

[steelrock]

Maybe some vote system where the other members of the party voted for a kick, like in many FPS games. Can still see it being abused, but seems like a compromise of sorts.

/signed. If 5 others think you are dead weight, you are in the wrong group anyways. 5 votes accepting removal from a group initiated by the group leader is perfect. Make it so, #1.

[Tanka]

/signed. If 5 others think you are dead weight, you are in the wrong group anyways. 5 votes accepting removal from a group initiated by the group leader is perfect. Make it so, #1.
"Sorry bud, but our guildie just logged on. You understand, right?"

No.

[moops]

Sheer Madness.

[steelrock]

"Sorry bud, but our guildie just logged on. You understand, right?"

No.

If you would want your guild to be on the recieveing end of this black eye, boot away. Guild rep stands for something, at least I'm lead to believe this anyways. Or again, maybe you are in the wrong group to begin with.

[Tanka]

If you would want your guild to be on the recieveing end of this black eye, boot away. Guild rep stands for something, at least I'm lead to believe this anyways. Or again, maybe you are in the wrong group to begin with.
If you only fill raids for chances at items, odds are good there will always be suckers to join your LFM. It still doesn't make it OK to use such an option, even if there were incentives to not do it.

It's a bad idea, and I'm glad it was removed in the first place.

[cdbd3rd]

As much as I may agree, I think it'd be too easily exploited by some people and used for griefing. As I recall, this is one of the reasons they changed it in the first place.

Recall, reform sans offending person, add them to your "Friends" list, move on.


That. ^^

[steelrock]

If you only fill raids for chances at items, odds are good there will always be suckers to join your LFM. It still doesn't make it OK to use such an option, even if there were incentives to not do it.

It's a bad idea, and I'm glad it was removed in the first place.

5/12 chance at a named loot item, if 5 guildies in a raid. If it was my guild, I would wait to fill for the guarantee, not that my guild does this by the way. And how do you loot someone's loot from a chest? "If you don't hand over the (insert named item here), you are gone." Agree, hit loot all, and take the free ride to the entrance, no need to finish out. Now 0/12 at my loot. Listen, I have a small "friend's" list, only because there are only a few people that no guild wants. But my friendly guild list covers alot more people. None of them are there for griefing, they are there for incompitence and/or piking. I generally find that similar minded people tend to guild toghether. I personally don't ever recall being griefed EVER playing this game. Nevermind having a group recall out and reforming without me. I think it's all a ghost story myself. Happy halloween!

[Thelmallen]

While I, like pretty much everybody who plays this game, agree that it would be just SUPER to do this at times, when we had this option available the griefing was absolutely ridiculous.

And I think Tanka makes a good point regarding the voting business. The opportunity for griefing is too tempting for some. You would be hesitant to join groups that are largely composed of one guild.

I know situationally it can be a pain, but drop/reform is the best work-around that we have.

[Lleren]

/against

Sometimes it would be a great ability to have. Even new players have wished they could boot someone from thier group.

Simply another form of player versus player interaction.

[Kalari]

I wouldnt want this feature added though I do admit to booting someone once when they dced in a quest simply because he was loud abrasive kept telling my party the wrong things to do in an already frustrating quest. So when he disconnected and I found I could dismiss him I did so. Of course when he logged back on and whined to me about needing that quest the booting changed his tune but in the wrong hands such things can be very bad. I know that there have been several times ive wanted to kick someone out of a party ive started but its better to bear threw it note the idiot and never group with them again or if its early enough and the offense is great enough break and reform. No need to add something that will cause griefing into the game specially with all the new blood thats here.

[Baron]

How about a boot party leader button? Then when that guy is screaming at me "Help us! Help us!" I can just boot him and go on with my business of looting the chests that are already open.


Sounds good to me..... kidding of couse. Boot button was a bad idea.

[Genealogist]

OMG U DON'T HAVE FIRE WALL!?!?!?!?!!? /boot

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[FluffyCalico]

OMG U DON'T HAVE FIRE WALL!?!?!?!?!!? /boot

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Works fine as you should know before you enter. IE before you enter you can /boot

[Aussieee]

Sick of carrying people through quests. If you can't contribute then get out of my group, I'm not in the business of getting you loot. This type of occurence is especially irritating when your loot running a quest and this dead weight pulls what you need after doing nothing the entire quest. Anyone else want in on this petition?It's easy if you are doing everything in the party simply zerg ahead finish quest and drop. Stop whining about it :D If you can do it on your own after all why don't you just solo the quest or do it with people that wont be a dead weight. Simply if you are in group whene nobody else is doing anything just drop it's that simple. But to tell you the truth that is what makes the quest more fun. Having poeple that will actually do more bad then good brings the quest a bit closer to Epic :D

[Jastron]

I am forced to disagree with the OP on this issue. Just because most of us wouldn't abuse this right, doesn't mean we all won't become victims of some bad party leader at some point. We don't all need to just get along, that can't happen, but we can all agree to just grin and bear it and reform a new group when the quest is over, with the current mechanic.

There is always another day to run the quest, with a different group of people. Or do what I did yesterday and solo the new quests if you feel inviting somebody else will make it more difficult or spoil the fun in some way (I know the OP should be able to solo most of those new ones). If they are offending you, squelch them. But try to do that in a limited fashion, we have a great server here and this is a social game. Loot is just loot...eventually, it will drop again, don't let it destroy your fun because somebody else got it that you feel was not much help. They may have had to go AFK for many reasons without being able to say so. Waggro, kid got hurt, computer crashed, power/internet went down etc. I've done it before. They may even be new to the quest and afraid to screw anything up. We don't hate people who put minimal effort in to buy one lottery ticket and win while we bought hundreds and lost. It happens. I agree they should have been more communicative when they did return, but just don't group with them again if you can't stand them.

[Zaal]

Can we boot sadizt?

Good point... He isn't sharing his Tarter Sauce.

[mikker0]

WoW has it , and no one complains? Yes yes yes this ISNT WoW... but if 11 million users get by with it, why cant DDO.

[Visty]

WoW has it , and no one complains? Yes yes yes this ISNT WoW... but if 11 million users get by with it, why cant DDO.

because its not wow and we dont have griefing here

[mikker0]

Sounds more like people trying to bend over backwards for the 8-12 year old newbies if you ask me.

[Emili]

Been in a number of groups lately with dead weight, or people that are doing more damage than good. Want you bring back the ability to boot people from the group while in the adventure. Sick of carrying people through quests. If you can't contribute then get out of my group, I'm not in the business of getting you loot. This type of occurence is especially irritating when your loot running a quest and this dead weight pulls what you need after doing nothing the entire quest. Anyone else want in on this petition?


so looks like this post is driven by loot envy :D

and it's a bad idea greifing was insane when it was that way, as another suggested recall and reform, if quest is more than 50% then just finish it and then reform or better yet boot when quest is done.


/no.

Too many griefing opportunities to be had.

Drop them after you leave the dungeon; after all if you can't carry one or two stones through a trainwreck, what's the point in playing? CHOO CHOO

Oh, come now bloody was not that bad of functionality.

Meanwhile somewhere out in Khyberland...

(To Party): <Player:Leader> Leader <\Player> Says, 'Rogue has been gone afk what twenty minutes now?'

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'Yes, Bloody quite a long time, let me check on my brownies in the oven be back in a sec.'

Rogue has disconnected

(Party):Rogue logged off.

(To Party): <Player:Leader>Leader<\Player> Says, 'Well, let’s kick him and find another.'

(Party): Rogue has been dismissed from your group.

*** 10 seconds later ***
(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'Sorry bout that, Am back.'

(To Party): <Player:Leader>Leader<\Player> Says, 'Looking for a new rogue now, kicked the other.'

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'Oh? I’ve a friend can come.'

(To Party): <Player:Leader>Leader<\Player> Says, 'Name please?'

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'Hmmm, just pass the star for a second much easier that way, be a confusing name he has.'

(Party): You are now party leader.

(Party): You invite Gornn to group.

(Party): Gornn has accepted your invite to group.

(To Party): <Player:Gornn>Gornn<\Player> Says, 'Hey Emi! :)'

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'Hello Gornn ;)'

(To Party): <Player:X-Leader>X-Leader<\Player> Says, 'Hey, He’s not a rogue!'

(Party): X-Leader has been dismissed from your group.

(Party): You invite Blakroc to group.

(Party): Blakroc has accepted your invite to group.

(Party): Gornn is now party leader.

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'You two, get your asre in here quick… we’re movin’ on fast.'

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'X-Leader the Silly twit, had us waitin’ on some eejit rogue who been gone 20 minutes, probably looking for his thief tools in his cluttered garage?'

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'One at a time thru the traps now, and shall you die take res on other side please. Casters! Buff please... Rage, Haste and RAGE!'

... and so goes our adventurous friends onward to glory!

[mikker0]

once again... WoW , Everquest , Dark Ages of Camelot , Planet Side and many more. All of these MMORPGS have done it that way, and i've never had any grief problems with them. Yes once or twice out of the blue moon you will get an idiot who kicks you. In that case you simply get a new group and never play with him anymore.

[BLAKROC]

Oh, come now bloody was not that bad of functionality.

Meanwhile somewhere out in Khyberland...

(To Party): <Player:Leader> Leader <\Player> Says, 'Rogue has been gone afk what twenty minutes now?'

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'Yes, Bloody quite a long time, let me check on my brownies in the oven be back in a sec.'

Rogue has disconnected

(Party):Rogue logged off.

(To Party): <Player:Leader>Leader<\Player> Says, 'Well, let’s kick him and find another.'

(Party): Rogue has been dismissed from your group.

*** 10 seconds later ***
(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'Sorry bout that, Am back.'

(To Party): <Player:Leader>Leader<\Player> Says, 'Looking for a new rogue now, kicked the other.'

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'Oh? I’ve a friend can come.'

(To Party): <Player:Leader>Leader<\Player> Says, 'Name please?'

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'Hmmm, just pass the star for a second much easier that way, be a confusing name he has.'

(Party): You are now party leader.

(Party): You invite Gornn to group.

(Party): Gornn has accepted your invite to group.

(To Party): <Player:Gornn>Gornn<\Player> Says, 'Hey Emi! :)'

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'Hello Gornn ;)'

(To Party): <Player:X-Leader>X-Leader<\Player> Says, 'Hey, He’s not a rogue!'

(Party): X-Leader has been dismissed from your group.

(Party): You invite Blakroc to group.

(Party): Blakroc has accepted your invite to group.

(Party): Gornn is now party leader.

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'You two, get your asre in here quick… we’re movin’ on fast.'

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'X-Leader the Silly twit, had us waitin’ on some eejit rogue who been gone 20 minutes, probably looking for his thief tools in his cluttered garage?'

(To Party): You To Party <Player:Emili>Emili<\Player> Says, 'One at a time thru the traps now, and shall you die take res on other side please. Casters! Buff please... Rage, Haste and RAGE!'

... and so goes our adventurous friends onward to glory!

+1 for more Emili Awesomeness :D

[Uska]

once again... WoW , Everquest , Dark Ages of Camelot , Planet Side and many more. All of these MMORPGS have done it that way, and i've never had any grief problems with them. Yes once or twice out of the blue moon you will get an idiot who kicks you. In that case you simply get a new group and never play with him anymore.

If those games are so great then go play them....none of them are usually as group dependent as ddo. It use to be allowed here and there was quite a bit of griefing done sometimes its why things were changed for the better.

[Tanka]

once again... WoW , Everquest , Dark Ages of Camelot , Planet Side and many more. All of these MMORPGS have done it that way, and i've never had any grief problems with them. Yes once or twice out of the blue moon you will get an idiot who kicks you. In that case you simply get a new group and never play with him anymore.
If you absolutely can't continue with certain dead weight, then recall and reform without them. It's not like any quest in this game takes longer than an hour tops.

[mikker0]

I was here since level 10 was cap.. never had a problem here with griefing.

And what are you talking about those aren't group dependant.. man are you whacko in the head.. spend like an hour sitting around waiting for a good group.

[Kalari]

I just dont see the need for it, just because other mmo's have the ability to kick someone from a group does not make it a feature that should be in this one. Can griefing go on with out it? Sure and that does happen from time to time, but would the level rise with it? I could see that happening, its not like I havent thought about kicking someone from party before. But its a lot easier for me to remember who not to group with again. so once again not signed on this and doubt I could be convinced this would ever be a feature to be returned to the game.