Sorcerers Listen UP!

[Quikster]

A disturbing trend has been happening on Sarlona, so I figured I would help some of you get it right.

Sorcs are not the killing machines they were in mod X. If you think you are a killing machine please keep your sorc in the newb area like the vale or the orchard, because you are not pwning things in the Battlefield, you are taking up space.

Please change your spellbook accordingly. Here are a few suggestions......

~Level 1 spells~

Jump~For that poor cleric who hasnt got that nifty belt yet.
Nightshield~Protect yourself against those nasty force missiles.
Grease~Hey its a party buff right?
Detect Secret Doors~Nothing else to get, and this way the rog can keep breaking boxes, hence saving the party time.


~Level 2 spells~

Resist Energy~Sorcs are really nothing more than supreme buff bots with their huge mana pool.
Blur~See Resist Energy
False Life~Esp if drow, you squishy casters need all the help you can get.
Knock~See Detect Secret Doors. You can knock off a bunch of knocks b4 that silly rog can get off one OL animation. Saves more time.

~Level 3 Spells~

Sleet Storm~Prolly the single best CC in the game.
Rage~See Resist Energy
Displacement~See Resist Energy
Haste~Must have extended. Whats the point of bringing you along if you cant cast much more than my Shroud Clickie?

~Level 4 Spells~

Stone Skin~See Resist Energy
DDoor~So we can shrine/get chests/not bug on our recall easier.
Fire Shield~Cuz you da kiter!
Fire Wall~The only dps spell worth taking, that you really need.

~Level 5 Spells~

Cloud Kill~For concealment
Break Enchantment~To get rid of Cloud Kill
Teleport~In case you run out of scrolls so we dont have to wait for ya.
Pick em

~Level 6 Spells~

Globe of Invulnerability~In case we wanna hound.
Greater Heroism~Nice for helping them rogues get those traps
Reconstruct~So you can repair the Master Race and save some of your clerics mana.

~Level 7 Spells~

Symbol of Stunning~Great CC. Level 7 is the CC level of spells
Protection from Elements Mass~See Resist Energy
Waves of Exhaustion~Works great on raid bosses.

~Level 8 Spells~

Otto's Irresistiable Dance~Its Irresistible!
Trap The Soul~Really the only insta death spell worth taking, the high spell component cost will keep you in check and make sure you are still buffing and CC'ing
Horrid Wilting~Works so well killing our casters in The Shroud, should work well on those enemy casters as well.

~Level 9 Spells~

Summon Monster IX~Hezrous are cool. Buff him up, throw some CC and watch him go!!
Energy Drain~So Clerics can destruct those pesky air ele's faster! Just start spamming it!

You may notice I only picked 2 level 9 spells. Thats because a 19 sorc only gets two. Every sorc should splash one level of rogue in case the party needs someone to break boxes.

This is an ideal spell list. It contains all the necessities of a good party sorc end game. You prolly notice a few spells which were once considered staples missing. Let me address them.

Web~Web is not really needed once you can use sleet storm. It really serves no purpose anymore.

Cone of Cold~Really not any sense in trying to do damage anymore. Things just have too many HP. Most of what CoC will acomplish is drawing agro of multiple mobs and getting you killed. Remember, if you die, I lose XP, so dont draw agro you cant handle. Which is to say dont draw any agro.

Acid Fog~Really no point in throwing it if you cant max out your enhancements on it. You should be maxing out your Fire/cold inhancements (Fire Wall) and your Force/Repair enhancements ( Reconstruct) there isnt room for the rest once you take all the spell pen, SP, wand and scroll mastery (so you can help heal) Improved Max & Empower (for those tough fights where you are healing the WF'd) Sorc Subtle Spell casting (remember agro=bad) ETC. It would be nice to add this spell in for another CC option, but without the enhancements its no better than Cloud Kill.

Finger of Death~Cmon, this aint Gianthold. You wont be insta killing much anymore. No reason to have more than one instakill spell, and TTS works better.


A quick run down of feats:

Toughness: Will help you stay alive
Extend: For those long quests where your party buffs need to last, and of course for haste.
Maximize: So your reconstructs hit hard
Empower: See maximize
Force of Personality: You cant throw haste when you are Greater Commanded
Spell Pen: Debuffing raid bosses quickly and efficiently.
Greater Spell Pen: See spell pen.

*If human take Mental Toughness as well. Nothing worse than running out of sp for the end fight, gotta have that haste. If you dont mind drinking a few mana pots, you can always take Quicken. Quicken allows you to knock faster, thereby saving the party more time and allowing the rogue to break more boxes. Remeber more boxes = more xp!!!

Sorcs can be a great support member for a group, so long as they remember their role. You are best at buffing, buffing and more buffing, followed closely by crowd controlling. Once these roles are met, you should focus on wf'd healing. If these conditions are met, you can have a box breaking contest with the rogue, just make sure to let him get the ones with the little red X's on them.


This has been another PSA by the Ultimate Piker. Please study up because there will be a test next week.

[MrCow]

Maximize: So your reconstructs hit hard
Empower: See maximize

Reconstruction, like Heal, Harm, and Heal Mass, has no variable component. Due to this it is not subject to Maximize or Empower.

[Tanka]

Jump~For that poor cleric who hasnt got that nifty belt yet.
Support your local Cleric -- grind them a belt!


Grease~Hey its a party buff right?
That's what Kulgan is for.


Detect Secret Doors~Nothing else to get, and this way the rog can keep breaking boxes, hence saving the party time.
Only gimp melees don't have True Seeing static.

Otherwise I can't say I disagree too much. :p

[Quikster]

Support your local Cleric -- grind them a belt!


That's what Kulgan is for.


Only gimp melees don't have True Seeing static.

Otherwise I can't say I disagree too much. :p

Well i figured for those "unlucky" or who cant be bothered with running threnal. And what else is there for that slot really?

Oh and Kulgan might be on timer, still need to have it around ya know.

[Tanka]

Well i figured for those "unlucky" or who cant be bothered with running threnal. And what else is there for that slot really?

Oh and Kulgan might be on timer, still need to have it around ya know.
Well, casters make SP items because there's no good caster goggles (even the Titan goggles were junk back in the day). Melee get TS items because they're the only thing worthwhile.

And Kulgan is never on timer. It's the unlisted bonus on his hat.

[Aspenor]

This post sucks. I get that it's supposed to be a satire, but it's a pretty poor one.

[Quikster]

Well, casters make SP items because there's no good caster goggles (even the Titan goggles were junk back in the day). Melee get TS items because they're the only thing worthwhile.

And Kulgan is never on timer. It's the unlisted bonus on his hat.

KULGAN!!!!!! You lied and I had to run my bard darn you!!!!!

[Quikster]

This post sucks. I get that it's supposed to be a satire, but it's a pretty poor one.

What happened to the I play with a bunch of noobs?

[Quikster]

Lol now neg rep? Sorry charlie, but if I meant this for argo I would have posted it there, and I mean this even if you werent the one to rep me :D

[Solmage]

I hereby petition the devs to flag all of Quick's characters as hostile, so that we may insta-kill them. Thank you, and that is all.

[Tanka]

I hereby petition the devs to flag all of Quick's characters as hostile, so that we may insta-kill them. Thank you, and that is all.
I don't know no Quick.

Now that Agamon guy... He's a real lame-o.

[Quikster]

I hereby petition the devs to flag all of Quick's characters as hostile, so that we may insta-kill them. Thank you, and that is all.

That might be kinda cool, but only if once you cast on me, you become hostile as well.

[Solmage]

That might be kinda cool, but only if once you cast on me, you become hostile as well.

Pffft, ghosts don't strike back, waste of effort. But I suppose I could let you have Tanka help you out, although... I'm not sure if I'm doing you any favors. But maybe if he manages to not trip while walking...

[Tanka]

But maybe if he manages to not trip while walking...
Dude, that's Jackknife (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atIlwE29m7g) you have to worry about, not me.

[BrianTheHun]

Dude, that's Jackknife (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atIlwE29m7g) you have to worry about, not me.

You *******! No one was ever supposed to know about that!

[Quikster]

Pffft, ghosts don't strike back, waste of effort. But I suppose I could let you have Tanka help you out, although... I'm not sure if I'm doing you any favors. But maybe if he manages to not trip while walking...

Whatever. Even IF you pwned me everytime you tried, there are always days I would roll 20's and you would roll 1's

[Quikster]

Dude, that's Jackknife (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atIlwE29m7g) you have to worry about, not me.

Word +1!

[Tanka]

You *******! No one was ever supposed to know about that!
Mwahaha. :D

[moops]

Now why you got to post Haezon's secret Build like that?

[Tanka]

Now why you got to post Haezon's secret Build like that?
I'm a bad, bad man.

[moops]

I'm a bad, bad man.

I was pretty sure that Gaarth has some kinda haXor RSS feed for whenever his names are mentioned, but perhaps it only works if one uses "Garth" or "Gaarth"

[sephiroth1084]

This post sucks. I get that it's supposed to be a satire, but it's a pretty poor one.
/agree


I for one am getting pretty annoyed at running with some sorcs who don't have some of the most basic "DUH!" spells. Did a VoD the other day with a sorc who doesn't have WEB! WEB! Probably the most useful crowd control spell in the game from level 3(4) to cap! What other spells are level 2 are more worthwhile?

Several sorcs I've run with lately have died almost instantly in ToD part I because they don't carry Fire Shield.

Had a few instances where someone in the group needed Jump, but the sorc didn't have. Again, what lvl 1 spells are better?

Or 19th lvl sorcs who don't have Energy Drain.

Getting to the point where I'd prefer having a wizard along instead, since even if they are new to that particular quest (or even the game), you can verbally smack 'em upside the head and have them swap spells around.

[Quikster]

/agree


I for one am getting pretty annoyed at running with some sorcs who don't have some of the most basic "DUH!" spells. Did a VoD the other day with a sorc who doesn't have WEB! WEB! Probably the most useful crowd control spell in the game from level 3(4) to cap! What other spells are level 2 are more worthwhile?

Several sorcs I've run with lately have died almost instantly in ToD part I because they don't carry Fire Shield.

Had a few instances where someone in the group needed Jump, but the sorc didn't have. Again, what lvl 1 spells are better?

Or 19th lvl sorcs who don't have Energy Drain.

Getting to the point where I'd prefer having a wizard along instead, since even if they are new to that particular quest (or even the game), you can verbally smack 'em upside the head and have them swap spells around.

All those spells were on my list except web, which i addressed specifically. Not sure why my post sucks when all your complaints were addressed in my OP.

[sephiroth1084]

All those spells were on my list except web, which i addressed specifically. Not sure why my post sucks when all your complaints were addressed in my OP.

There are other selections you make that I don't much care for, but I wouldn't consider "necessary" although you plan for neither solid fog, nor acid fog, so there's a loss of miss % and slowdown. Also, a lot of the spells you suggest are probably better served being scroll-cast.

Ultimately, I couldn't really tell whether this was meant as a joke post or a serious one, which is usually a recipe for a bleh response. That, coupled with the selections is why I didn't like it.

Does Sleet Storm necessarily prevent things from attacking the way Web does? Does it work on the bats in VoD? Not a huge deal, as it is only a small portion of one quest, but it doesn't not matter.

[moops]

Does Sleet Storm necessarily prevent things from attacking the way Web does? Does it work on the bats in VoD? Not a huge deal, as it is only a small portion of one quest, but it doesn't not matter.

Yes it is a joke thread, but I must defend the sleet storm. . .

As a cleric I love the sleet storm--In Amrath it is a godsend, 50% concealment--while casters with spell focuses for web have to spam web over and over just to get one web to stick that everything ports out of in a couple secs anyway.

Last night we short manned a VOD and my gimpy lvl 15 225 HP Bard was not only able to live but also to keep up with the little healing that was needed. The lone wizard finished with a quarter of his SP. ( yes my bard needs a reincarnate)

I see web fail quite a bit in VOD, and mobs save pretty fast--and now that things need to be DPS'd down instead of w/p the concealment is beautiful. When I lead ToD it is the CC that I use.

AS QUik says, the Clerics take out the bats on the end, casters usually try to DPS the bats as well. IF Elite and a weak DPS group I might have a ranger pull out to range the bats, but my clerics can usually keep all the bats away from the Sally group.

[Quikster]

There are other selections you make that I don't much care for, but I wouldn't consider "necessary" although you plan for neither solid fog, nor acid fog, so there's a loss of miss % and slowdown. Also, a lot of the spells you suggest are probably better served being scroll-cast.

Ultimately, I couldn't really tell whether this was meant as a joke post or a serious one, which is usually a recipe for a bleh response. That, coupled with the selections is why I didn't like it.

Does Sleet Storm necessarily prevent things from attacking the way Web does? Does it work on the bats in VoD? Not a huge deal, as it is only a small portion of one quest, but it doesn't not matter.

Well if your problem with it is difficulty determining truth or joke that would be why its posted in the Sarlona forums. Most Sarlona forum readers know as this is the third in a series of psa's for classes. Which is why I'm a little irked about Aspensor remarks and alleged neg rep. If I wanted this to be for Argo and Khyber readers I would have posted it in their forums or General. Your response is much less in your face and appreciated.

Truthfully as far as sleet V web in VoD goes, it has been my experience that the group takes far less damage when fighting in sleet storm then fighting in web. In web the devils get a chance to make their save and if they make it the web doesnt effect them at all. In sleet, they move slower, and are blinded, so while they can still port, they have a 50% miss chance and all melees get sneak attacks. I dont usually deal with the bats much, usually just have a cleric throw a couple blade barriers while the group dps's sully or if on elite have a ranger or two multi shot. If no rangers then yea prolly have the caster web and ball lightning coc or something.

[Quikster]

There are other selections you make that I don't much care for, but I wouldn't consider "necessary" although you plan for neither solid fog, nor acid fog, so there's a loss of miss % and slowdown. Also, a lot of the spells you suggest are probably better served being scroll-cast.

Ultimately, I couldn't really tell whether this was meant as a joke post or a serious one, which is usually a recipe for a bleh response. That, coupled with the selections is why I didn't like it.

Does Sleet Storm necessarily prevent things from attacking the way Web does? Does it work on the bats in VoD? Not a huge deal, as it is only a small portion of one quest, but it doesn't not matter.

A couple other things here. While this posts spell selection is nothing like my sorcs in game selection, there are a few that are worth noting. Acid fog is nice, but I can just as easily use sleet if I need to slow down mobs, its more effective. Cloud Kill is prolly a better option for concealment then Acid or solid fog if you are only going to carry one of them. Solid fog doesnt work with mantle, and I dont think acid fog works with the general for some reason, but cloud kill seems to.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

was my name mentioned? My Garth-detector was flashing red.

Good job finding the jackknife falling vid - quite fun

Haezon's build is top secret (http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/haezon/), which is why I persuaded the devs to remove him from my.ddo.com so as not to reveal his 16 fully buffed CHA and CON 8.

Re: op - I would consider taking FoD just for zapping clerics who have high will saves, otherwise tts all the way. Also, dont take mental toughness, take spell focus: conjuration.

Garth

[sephiroth1084]

Well if your problem with it is difficulty determining truth or joke that would be why its posted in the Sarlona forums. Most Sarlona forum readers know as this is the third in a series of psa's for classes. Which is why I'm a little irked about Aspensor remarks and alleged neg rep. If I wanted this to be for Argo and Khyber readers I would have posted it in their forums or General. Your response is much less in your face and appreciated.

Truthfully as far as sleet V web in VoD goes, it has been my experience that the group takes far less damage when fighting in sleet storm then fighting in web. In web the devils get a chance to make their save and if they make it the web doesnt effect them at all. In sleet, they move slower, and are blinded, so while they can still port, they have a 50% miss chance and all melees get sneak attacks. I dont usually deal with the bats much, usually just have a cleric throw a couple blade barriers while the group dps's sully or if on elite have a ranger or two multi shot. If no rangers then yea prolly have the caster web and ball lightning coc or something.
While I'll acknowledge differences in strategy from server to server exist, I don't think there is such a schism that spell selection is altered that much. Besides, an advice thread like this (general class suggestions), should probably be aimed at all members of the class. I digress.

"Sucks" is probably too strong a word, but /agree was easier than to think of a way of saying that I had issues with it.


Yes it is a joke thread, but I must defend the sleet storm. . .

As a cleric I love the sleet storm--In Amrath it is a godsend, 50% concealment--while casters with spell focuses for web have to spam web over and over just to get one web to stick that everything ports out of in a couple secs anyway.

Last night we short manned a VOD and my gimpy lvl 15 225 HP Bard was not only able to live but also to keep up with the little healing that was needed. The lone wizard finished with a quarter of his SP. ( yes my bard needs a reincarnate)

I see web fail quite a bit in VOD, and mobs save pretty fast--and now that things need to be DPS'd down instead of w/p the concealment is beautiful. When I lead ToD it is the CC that I use.

I must admit that I have not tried Sleet Storm much on my wizard--hard to get past around 2 years' worth of loathing of that spell expressed by all. Nonetheless, I still feel that there are situations in which Web would be preferable, or even used in conjunction with Sleet storm. False Life isn't terrible, but it'd be a tremendous waste of SP if one were to recast it every time they got hit for a chunk. And if you're not doing that, why have it as a spell? Just use a wand.

[soupertc]

If I wanted this to be for Argo and Khyber readers I would have posted it in their forums or General.

Ahhhh....come on now.....they may have toons on Sarlona. They got every right to post thier 2c too....I remember a person tellin me that a few days ago. Now the neg rep.....that's kinda weak IMO.

[Quikster]

While I'll acknowledge differences in strategy from server to server exist, I don't think there is such a schism that spell selection is altered that much. Besides, an advice thread like this (general class suggestions), should probably be aimed at all members of the class. I digress.

"Sucks" is probably too strong a word, but /agree was easier than to think of a way of saying that I had issues with it.



I must admit that I have not tried Sleet Storm much on my wizard--hard to get past around 2 years' worth of loathing of that spell expressed by all. Nonetheless, I still feel that there are situations in which Web would be preferable, or even used in conjunction with Sleet storm. False Life isn't terrible, but it'd be a tremendous waste of SP if one were to recast it every time they got hit for a chunk. And if you're not doing that, why have it as a spell? Just use a wand.

The post was satire, that if you regularly read the sarlona forums you would understand. The spell selection is not much different between server to server. Sleet Storm > Web in just about any end game content for CC. I really cant think of any time that web is better, other than having to hand FoM to peeps that dont have gear/spell for themselves. Other than that I cant think of a single instance where I would rather cast web over sleet.

[moops]

You know what the problem with this Satire is Quik? For anyone running Amrath Hard and Elite Content most of the time, it rings true enough. . .heck even normal content. . .and thus the real debate about spells arises. Being an offensive caster in AMrath is a rough deal--even with favor and store bought pots stuff does not land with any consistency.

[Quikster]

Ahhhh....come on now.....they may have toons on Sarlona. They got every right to post thier 2c too....I remember a person tellin me that a few days ago. Now the neg rep.....that's kinda weak IMO.


They may, but he doesnt play them regularly in any way shape or form. I really dont care if they play here, they wont get the satire unless they read the sarlona forums regularly. So IMO its all kinda weak, as is the fact that originally there was a comment in there about how I play with noobs.

Do they have a right to their 2c? Sure. Their 2c sucks :D

[Quikster]

You know what the problem with this Satire is Quik? For anyone running Amrath Hard and Elite Content most of the time, it rings true enough. . .heck even normal content. . .and thus the reall debate about spells arises.

Yeah but i have to keep some peeps guessing. You dont want me getting enough rep to start neg'n peeps, hence the fine line so I'm ensured some negs to keep me in check....

[sephiroth1084]

Grease - funny, but use a clicky
Detect Secret Doors - use a clicky or a wand
Tumble would be better if just for the fun factor, if not to help out those Stalwart Defenders, Defenders of Siberys, etc...

False Life - use a wand or scroll

DDoor - better spells...use a scroll
Stone Skin - if you're talking about Shroud clickies anyway, why not chalk this one up? For the gimps who don't have, use a wand

No CoC?

No Acid Fog, Disintegrate or Flesh to Stone? All of which are useful in various ways across a lot of content (situationally so in Amrath, but not useless). Personally I disagree with some of your enhancement selections.

Scroll-cast Globe, GH and Reconstruct are reasonable, though expensive

Trap the Soul is too expensive and frustrating to rely on it very often. And there are still many instances where FoD is still worthwhile, even if it has to be preceeded by an Energy Drain.

Horrid Wilting sucks, since there are virtually no ways of boosting its damage via items or enhancements. Complete waste of a spell slot. Why take that and not CoC, which will be doing more damage and attacking a weaker save?

You have Energy Drain, but are missing FoD, which combos with it. Why rely on splitting up the duty to kill a monster between 2 characters? Why assume the cleric has Destruct? Why rely on their not wasting SP trying to kill it before you ED it? Also, their Destruct will be at least 2 points of DC behind your FoD. Oh, nevermind, for some reason your sorc doesn't have Heighten...???

[Quikster]

Grease - funny, but use a clicky
Detect Secret Doors - use a clicky or a wand
Tumble would be better if just for the fun factor, if not to help out those Stalwart Defenders, Defenders of Siberys, etc...

False Life - use a wand or scroll

DDoor - better spells...use a scroll
Stone Skin - if you're talking about Shroud clickies anyway, why not chalk this one up? For the gimps who don't have, use a wand

No CoC?

No Acid Fog, Disintegrate or Flesh to Stone? All of which are useful in various ways across a lot of content (situationally so in Amrath, but not useless). Personally I disagree with some of your enhancement selections.

Scroll-cast Globe, GH and Reconstruct are reasonable, though expensive

Trap the Soul is too expensive and frustrating to rely on it very often. And there are still many instances where FoD is still worthwhile, even if it has to be preceeded by an Energy Drain.

Horrid Wilting sucks, since there are virtually no ways of boosting its damage via items or enhancements. Complete waste of a spell slot. Why take that and not CoC, which will be doing more damage and attacking a weaker save?

You have Energy Drain, but are missing FoD, which combos with it. Why rely on splitting up the duty to kill a monster between 2 characters? Why assume the cleric has Destruct? Why rely on their not wasting SP trying to kill it before you ED it? Also, their Destruct will be at least 2 points of DC behind your FoD. Oh, nevermind, for some reason your sorc doesn't have Heighten...???

Lol I am always amused when satiric posts are taken seriously. I am even more amused when peeps have been told more than once they are satiric posts, yet they are still taken seriously....Uh really dont know what to tell you anymore bud, try reading the Khyber forums, they may be more in line with your forum needs.

[Tanka]

I was pretty sure that Gaarth has some kinda haXor RSS feed for whenever his names are mentioned, but perhaps it only works if one uses "Garth" or "Gaarth"
You fool! You have summoned him!

[Quikster]

You fool! You have summoned him!

he already tried to neg me too, but turbine told him to sleep around some, eerrrrrr, spread his le.........errrrrrrrr spread more neg rep before he can give me anymore.

[sephiroth1084]

Lol I am always amused when satiric posts are taken seriously. I am even more amused when peeps have been told more than once they are satiric posts, yet they are still taken seriously....Uh really dont know what to tell you anymore bud, try reading the Khyber forums, they may be more in line with your forum needs.
Posted before your two "its satire" posts.

Again, tough, it didn't come across as being strongly satirical except in a couple of spots, and your other replies indicated that, while some of the message my have been in jest, you stand by some or all of your spell selection and other build advice, which is what I was commenting on.

And, yes, Khyberians are both better at satire and at reveling in the controversy spawned by such. :p

[Quikster]

Posted before your two "its satire" posts.

Again, tough, it didn't come across as being strongly satirical except in a couple of spots, and your other replies indicated that, while some of the message my have been in jest, you stand by some or all of your spell selection and other build advice, which is what I was commenting on.

And, yes, Khyberians are both better at satire and at reveling in the controversy spawned by such. :p

I defended a few spell selections in the Truthfully portion of my post. Ive read Khyber drama and satire, and it too leaves a lot to be desired. So dont try the im from khyber so I know :p.

I didnt defend any of the build advice in that thread, maybe you should have someone read to you..........

[Quikster]

Grease - funny, but use a clicky
Detect Secret Doors - use a clicky or a wand
Tumble would be better if just for the fun factor, if not to help out those Stalwart Defenders, Defenders of Siberys, etc...

False Life - use a wand or scroll

DDoor - better spells...use a scroll
Stone Skin - if you're talking about Shroud clickies anyway, why not chalk this one up? For the gimps who don't have, use a wand

No CoC?

No Acid Fog, Disintegrate or Flesh to Stone? All of which are useful in various ways across a lot of content (situationally so in Amrath, but not useless). Personally I disagree with some of your enhancement selections.

Scroll-cast Globe, GH and Reconstruct are reasonable, though expensive

Trap the Soul is too expensive and frustrating to rely on it very often. And there are still many instances where FoD is still worthwhile, even if it has to be preceeded by an Energy Drain.

Horrid Wilting sucks, since there are virtually no ways of boosting its damage via items or enhancements. Complete waste of a spell slot. Why take that and not CoC, which will be doing more damage and attacking a weaker save?

You have Energy Drain, but are missing FoD, which combos with it. Why rely on splitting up the duty to kill a monster between 2 characters? Why assume the cleric has Destruct? Why rely on their not wasting SP trying to kill it before you ED it? Also, their Destruct will be at least 2 points of DC behind your FoD. Oh, nevermind, for some reason your sorc doesn't have Heighten...???

This was not posted before the "its satire" posts. It was posted after, as you quoted moops telling you its satire. Wanna try again?

[Aspenor]

Here's why it sucks:

Satire is meant to be funny. This isn't really funny, it's just plain stupid.

[sephiroth1084]

This was not posted before the "its satire" posts. It was posted after, as you quoted moops telling you its satire. Wanna try again?
/footinmouth on

[Quikster]

Here's why it sucks:

Satire is meant to be funny. This isn't really funny, it's just plain stupid.

Im not agruing that you may think its stupid, Im arguing why, you need to come to the Sarlona boards and bother making a post about how it sucks. If it wasnt funny, why did you read past the first few lines. Finally, why the a-holishness. "This thread sucks" is pretty lame. So then you go to neg rep me? Or is that from someone that didnt bother to post. Because there are only two peeps in this thread with enough rep to hand out negs. IMO thats just a lot of time and energy spent on something that you really coulda just kept walking and not said a thing. Or am I mistaken?

[Quikster]

The real meaning to this post is:

"Me and my self-proclaimed uber guild are so uber and everyone else is a noob who doesn't know what they are doing without us to tell them how."

Nothing new here.

Really? Wow, I didnt see that, mind highlighting those points?

[Quikster]

/footinmouth on

Fair enough

/being an a-hole about something silly off

Lets be friends :)

[Aspenor]

Im not agruing that you may think its stupid, Im arguing why, you need to come to the Sarlona boards and bother making a post about how it sucks. If it wasnt funny, why did you read past the first few lines. Finally, why the a-holishness. "This thread sucks" is pretty lame. So then you go to neg rep me? Or is that from someone that didnt bother to post. Because there are only two peeps in this thread with enough rep to hand out negs. IMO thats just a lot of time and energy spent on something that you really coulda just kept walking and not said a thing. Or am I mistaken?

In response to your first issue: because I felt like it, the same reason you made the original post. I have just as much right to post my feelings on your post once posted as you have to post it.

Second, no, I didn't bother to neg rep you. I'm not in the mood for that today (seriously). In fact I'll balance out your rep for you to prove it.

EDIT - there, that should have given you back what you lost, even though I don't *actually* approve.

[Quikster]

In response to your first issue: because I felt like it, the same reason you made the original post. I have just as much right to post my feelings on your post once posted as you have to post it.

Second, no, I didn't bother to neg rep you. I'm not in the mood for that today (seriously).

Fair enough then. I just had put you above posts like, "this post sucks". Guess I was wrong. Not a huge deal, when bored on saturday mornings I often take time to give my fellow sarlonians some material to spout off about. Im sorry that you found no amusement in it. Have a nice day :)

[sephiroth1084]

Fair enough

/being an a-hole about something silly off

Lets be friends :)
Works for me! :)

[Quikster]

Works for me! :)

Although my Khyber alts are pretty gimpy.....

[Aspenor]

Fair enough then. I just had put you above posts like, "this post sucks". Guess I was wrong. Not a huge deal, when bored on saturday mornings I often take time to give my fellow sarlonians some material to spout off about. Im sorry that you found no amusement in it. Have a nice day :)

When bored on weekends sometimes I like to **** on forum threads. You should try it sometime.

[sephiroth1084]

Although my Khyber alts are pretty gimpy.....
I believe it!

PUG with plenty of gimps already. I'll make up for it. :D

[Quikster]

When bored on weekends sometimes I like to **** on forum threads. You should try it sometime.

Word will do.

[Borror0]

I get that it's supposed to be a satire, but it's a pretty poor one.
Exactly. I get it's supposed to be funny but it ain't.

[Quikster]

In response to your first issue: because I felt like it, the same reason you made the original post. I have just as much right to post my feelings on your post once posted as you have to post it.

Second, no, I didn't bother to neg rep you. I'm not in the mood for that today (seriously). In fact I'll balance out your rep for you to prove it.

EDIT - there, that should have given you back what you lost, even though I don't *actually* approve.

Appreciated but not necessary. My issue was the this post sucks, and im thought it has said I group with n00bs as well, but i dont see an edit on it so maybe not. Then to be followed with neg rep for something that may fall short of your version of funny, but some of us did have fun with it, which was the whole point. I thought it was kinda rude how you came in here, said that, and shortly after I received neg rep for it. Although I couldn't be sure it was you unless you said something, hence the alleged disclaimer. Honestly I really wasn't too worried about the rep as I have recieved lots of neg rep, mostly on threads such as this. Although the amount of positive rep I have received has far outweighed it, which is why I continue to post them.

If you and/or borror0 dont think they are funny, fine. I disagree with lots of points both of you make, but I dont drop in your posts with, "This post sucks".

Same with Borror0, just because you spend a lot of time on the forums, and have a huge post and rep count, doesn't mean you define funny. If we all posted according to your guidelines, the world would be a boring place. If we all thought/acted the same way, we wouldn't need discussion forums as every post would be, "I agree."

[sephiroth1084]

Appreciated but not necessary. My issue was the this post sucks, and im thought it has said I group with n00bs as well, but i dont see an edit on it so maybe not. Then to be followed with neg rep for something that may fall short of your version of funny, but some of us did have fun with it, which was the whole point. I thought it was kinda rude how you came in here, said that, and shortly after I received neg rep for it. Although I couldn't be sure it was you unless you said something, hence the alleged disclaimer. Honestly I really wasn't too worried about the rep as I have recieved lots of neg rep, mostly on threads such as this. Although the amount of positive rep I have received has far outweighed it, which is why I continue to post them.

If you and/or borror0 dont think they are funny, fine. I disagree with lots of points both of you make, but I dont drop in your posts with, "This post sucks".

Same with Borror0, just because you spend a lot of time on the forums, and have a huge post and rep count, doesn't mean you define funny. If we all posted according to your guidelines, the world would be a boring place. If we all thought/acted the same way, we wouldn't need discussion forums as every post would be, "I agree."

My feeling was that if the post wasn't funny, and wasn't clearly satirical, it would come across as real advice, which some players would take, which they shouldn't. Admittedly, for some people there is no fixing their sarcasm detectors.

[Quikster]

My feeling was that if the post wasn't funny, and wasn't clearly satirical, it would come across as real advice, which some players would take, which they shouldn't. Admittedly, for some people there is no fixing their sarcasm detectors.

while I dont disagree, the post must be taken in context. If you read the other posts made about what rogues and cleric should do, and to a lesser extent what bards should do, it is clearly satirical.

Secondly, all the discussion I've had with peeps pugging the lower levels on this server, those sorcs would be better even if they did take my post seriously.

Thirdly, if this was posted in the sorcerers forum, yeah not obvious enough, and I would expect peeps to dispute what is said, but here on the Sarlona boards not at all.

[Borror0]

Same with Borror0, just because you spend a lot of time on the forums, and have a huge post and rep count, doesn't mean you define funny.
...and you felt is was important to mention because...?

[bruha118]

i coudnt agree more with ya quik....this new content really stuck it to us casters...but a couple little tricks i learned that work really well...mindfog being the key here + mass hold monster, disco ball, ie any will based spell...and if ur solo freak like me ...mindfog and mass suggestion is awsome...this is just imo...its wat i found works well, benifits the party, and saves on mana so u can keep party stone skined and displaced and hasted continuosly inbtween shrines

[Thelmallen]

...and you felt is was important to mention because...?

While you're a smart guy, BorrorO, we all know you don't have a sense of humor whatsoever. I think quik has a point that you're not really qualified to define funny.

[Borror0]

While you're a smart guy, BorrorO, we all know you don't have a sense of humor whatsoever.
Oh my. You don't know me at all. I'm not someone who is particularly funny but I laugh very easily. Arguable too easily.

I think quik has a point that you're not really qualified to define funny.
I was not contesting the truth of the statement. It's obvious I don't define what is or is not funny. I just don't understand why he felt that was necessary to point out.

[soupertc]

Boobies!!

[Quikster]

...and you felt is was important to mention because...?

The same reason you felt the need to chime in.

[Borror0]

The same reason you felt the need to chime in.
You thought the OP was not funny?

[Quikster]

Boobies!!

Well I was about to go ahead and declare the thread an epic fail :( but thanks to the quick thinking, and speedy fingers of Toombs, we can now happily declare a draw! Thanks buddy :)

[Quikster]

You thought the OP was not funny?

I thought it was funny. But its not something I would expect someone to get when they dont have the inside knowledge here.


Look im not bashing on ya, I've sent you pms telling you that I appreciate what you do on these boards, and while I dont always agree with ya, I still appreciate it.


That being said, I dont chime in on a post to say, oh thats not funny, I move along. So if you are going to drop me a line to tell me you dont appreciate my sense of humor, I'll respond. Thats all.

[Quikster]

Oh my. You don't know me at all. I'm not someone who is particularly funny but I laugh very easily. Arguable too easily.



Not sure this is possible. I think the world would be a better place if we all laughed a little easier. Including myself, and I find humor in just about any situation I'm in*.


*the main exception being when Im grouped with Thelmallen.

[Kalari]

Hehe I love that people still cant tell when Quik is serious or not :) You sure are entertaining either way Quik between this and figuring out whether your mic is working or ya squelch your always good for a smile or chuckle :)

Oh and sorcs suck wizards ftw :)

[Katrina]

Boobies!!
I thought the correct spelling was.....

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