Veterans leveling toons in 8 to 14 range READ THIS

[Rrend]

Veterans,

Soloing becomes more difficult and costly at levels 8-16 effectively.

On average I'd say that my PUG experience in this level range has been less than 30% positive. A Xorian hard run with 10-12's last night alone cost me 10 RD scrolls, 25 heal scrolls, countless pots, and I can honestly say that only one other player in the party was worth grouping with again. I was just grateful to get the completion.

So, as a solution, if you are interested in grouping with veteran players to run quests in the range from 8 to 14 on hard/elite in order to max XP and Favor, please post your toons using the following format. Level range should be 8 to 16. I will update this list daily and sort the list by level and class for ease of lookup. Anyone on this list should use it to contact others in game by putting VETERANS ONLY in an LFM or sending a tell to anyone on this list that says "vets only group forming, you interested?"

Rrendsoul, Favored Soul, 12
Rrendage, Fighter, 12
Rrendtron, Barbarian, 11
Rrendfu, Monk, 10

Please use commas to separate and use standard class names so that I can export to Excel and quickly sort the list before reposting.

I will put any toons on this list in my friends list so that I can track their level progression and monitor who is on-line. Should help increase the percentage of players in my pugs that don't suck. I'm open for suggestions to improve this process as well. Let me know.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

what's to stop f2p players posting their toons here?

Garth

[Arianrhod]

what's to stop f2p players posting their toons here?

Garth

Don't they have to be at least Premium to post anywhere but the Free Player forums?

[Zenako]

what's to stop f2p players posting their toons here?

Garth

Most that truely suck don't know or care about the forums...:)

[Mav145]

Edit: Tried to help, derailed.....forget it, don't really care.

[moorewr]

Hi Welcome


(glad I don't this kind of elitist silliness much on Thelanis.)

[Therigar]

Not on your server and so my POV may not mean much.

IMO this is an issue that we saw coming. The normal response was that we'd need to be patient and teach the new player base. It is, however, a bit more complex than that in reality because the new player base seldom shows interest in learning.

The advent of vet only groups is bound to occur -- for better or for worse.

Using the forums to establish a vet's list seems logical as join date will, in most instances, reflect experience with the game. Some may slip thru who joined and then took extremely long breaks. But, generally, it should be accurate.

Whether that is wise, fair or even within the guidelines for forum use I don't know.

[Anarkius]

OP, Please do not add any of the characters listed in my sig, blacklist them as a matter of fact. :rolleyes:

[Cyr]

Cry me a river? Seriously bud, 4/5 pugs before F2P were painful in that level range (on Sarlona also). So the range might be 9/10 now :) It's not like F2P suddenly made the experience night and day worse.

[Delt]

Hey, I would like to get a group of steady players to level up with.

Level 11 Rogue - Sneakyace
Level 7 WF Fighter - Berenir

Whatever I think of the OP's post aside, I have to point out you failed to either read or understand the OPs instructions on posting your character information....which I am pretty sure will automatically disqualify you ;)

[Mekkah]

Veterans,

The scourge of extraordinarily irritating and downright lazy new players is being felt by all of us trying to level lowbies through the valley of death at which soloing becomes more difficult and costly (levels 8-16 effectively).

On average I'd say that my PUG experience in this level range has been less than 30% positive. A Xorian hard run with 10-12's last night alone cost me 10 RD scrolls, 25 heal scrolls, countless pots, and I can honestly say that only one other player in the party was worth grouping with again. I was just grateful to get the completion.

So, as a solution, if you are interested in grouping with veteran players to run quests in the range from 8 to 14 on hard/elite in order to max XP and Favor, please post your toons using the following format. Level range should be 8 to 16. I will update this list daily and sort the list by level and class for ease of lookup. Anyone on this list should use it to contact others in game by putting VETERANS ONLY in an LFM or sending a tell to anyone on this list that says "vets only group forming, you interested?"

Rrendsoul, Favored Soul, 12
Rrendage, Fighter, 12
Rrendtron, Barbarian, 11
Rrendfu, Monk, 10

Please use commas to separate and use standard class names so that I can export to Excel and quickly sort the list before reposting.

I will put any toons on this list in my friends list so that I can track their level progression and monitor who is on-line. Should help increase the percentage of players in my pugs that don't suck. I'm open for suggestions to improve this process as well. Let me know.

Epic fail.

Someone resorting to actually posting such shenanigans would never survive on Thelanis.

Glad you're not on my server.

[Rican]

Sadly the OP's opinion is just that......an opinion.
I dont have alot of time playing DDO but I have 6+ yrs of playing MMO's and can say that in the other game I played there were more Veteran "SCRUBS" then new player ones. Your expierence on your recent PuGs does not reflect true for all new players wanting to play DDO, some of us actually know what it means to be on a team, and contribute to that team. I know my role and what my characters role is on a team, whether i'm playing my "TrapMonkey" or DPS or support. There is this nifty little feature the game offers thats called "freinds", use it.
That way you know who you're teaming with and don't have to worry about the INSANE amounts of flow you'll be spending on pots,scrolls and wands................oh wait maybe you will.

[spyderwolf]

rrend may be taking this to a slight extreme but anyone saying this isnt a valid opinion is jsut in denial. ive run into 5 new casters since the mod went live that didnt have firewall or haste. so when ya try to be helpful and point out the importance of those 2 spells in the majority of content they get ****y and complain about you being elitist. the quality of pugs has gone downhill. but the simple solution to this is to group with your friends/guilds as much as possible and when you do pug be selective of which guilds/persons you group with. im starting to see a frightening number of 16 sorc/1ftr/1barb type builds hitting the hgih levels that are really really in need of rerolls.

[gfunk]

I dont see whats wrong with a player looking to find other vets to play with. I also note that the OP wasn't trying to exclude new players entirely, he was just trying to "increase the percentage" of vets in his groups... something I think is a good idea. It didnt sound to me like the OP was trying to preclude all new people from joining his groups. Having a couple new players in any group is a good thing, as it allows new players to learn, and for vets to meet new people. Having all new players and just 1 vet can be a frustrating experience... lets face it, nobody who has run Xorian 100 times wants to spend an hour trying to get through it.

Also, I don't think that using the forums for this sort of thing will be that successful... plus, you will get alot of hate from the people who think you are anti-newbie. I would suggest creating a chat channel, and inviting people to join it by pm. You might want to contact officers of other guilds that you like, and ask them to advertise to their members.

[moorewr]

I dont see whats wrong with a player looking to find other vets to play with. I also note that the OP wasn't trying to exclude new players entirely, he was just trying to "increase the percentage" of vets in his groups... something I think is a good idea. It didnt sound to me like the OP was trying to preclude all new people from joining his groups. Having a couple new players in any group is a good thing, as it allows new players to learn, and for vets to meet new people. Having all new players and just 1 vet can be a frustrating experience... lets face it, nobody who has run Xorian 100 times wants to spend an hour trying to get through it.

Also, I don't think that using the forums for this sort of thing will be that successful... plus, you will get alot of hate from the people who think you are anti-newbie. I would suggest creating a chat channel, and inviting people to join it by pm. You might want to contact officers of other guilds that you like, and ask them to advertise to their members.

There's nothing wrong with posting that you're looking for a nice bunch of veterans for a static group. Unfortunately that's not what the OP did.. he decided to start with a laundry list of complaints and then build a clique.. if the focus rea,lly was on mutual fun - hey, maybe the start of a kick-ass new guild - and not on exclusionary hate, the post would have been very different.

[Cedwin]

There's nothing wrong with posting that you're looking for a nice bunch of veterans for a static group. Unfortunately that's not what the OP did.. he decided to start with a laundry list of complaints and then build a clique.. if the focus rea,lly was on mutual fun - hey, maybe the start of a kick-ass new guild - and not on exclusionary hate, the post would have been very different.

Perhaps he is looking for vets who have had the same experience? There are different ways to skin a cat. Oh wait, I can't say that, I might offend cat lovers :rolleyes:

[Cedwin]

So many trolls in this thread. The OP is just looking for like-minded players who want to power level without dealing with all of the newbies currently in the game. To each his own. I don't understand how other people in this thread think it's ok to push their "morales" onto another player, and basically dictate how a person spends his time in game.

[ghettoGenius]

Well I can totally understand the OPs point of view. Pug scene on Sarlona is whacked, as Im sure it is on every server. Froobs are obsessed with running content above their levels on elite for the favor even though their skills and character are clearly not up to the task. They can barely manage on normal/hard.

That said Im not advocating any sort of alienation of new players. They need to play, grow stronger and learn the game like we did. But it does seem that the integration process is going to take alot longer than expected. In fact, with this new F2P model we may be looking at a permanent stream of noobs to interact with. So it is probably in everyones best interests to just find a way to adapt.

[Mangloid]

I have to agree a bit with Rend. The short experience i have had with Sarlona pugs had not at all been positive. Pugs on Cannith for the most part have been a much, much more pleasant experience.

[Original]

If you cant solo most level 8-16... your not a vet.

[Mangloid]

If you cant solo most level 8-16... your not a vet.

Some still play it because they like the social aspect (hard to believe but true)

[Rrend]

Edit: Tried to help, derailed.....forget it, don't really care.

Sorry Mav. Good times hey?

[Original]

Some still play it because they like the social aspect (hard to believe but true)

I'm just being an arse... but I am soloing alot more these days.
I prefer to group, but odds are I could solo faster and cheaper.

As soon as my sor gets quicken... I wont need pugs for Demon Queen :)

[Stormslinger]

what's To Stop F2p Players Posting Their Toons Here?

Garth

My.ddo.com :)

[Therigar]

Perhaps he is looking for vets who have had the same experience? There are different ways to skin a cat. Oh wait, I can't say that, I might offend cat lovers :rolleyes:

I like cats. Fried they taste like chicken.

But, slow roasted with garlic -- now that's good eat'n. :rolleyes:

[Dexxaan]

I like Mod 9 and F2P.

Why? My join date and long standing in the game almost guarantees my gimped toons to join your PUG.

Right Spyder?


.... Spyder?


...................... Spyder?

.

[Quikster]

rrend may be taking this to a slight extreme but anyone saying this isnt a valid opinion is jsut in denial. ive run into 5 new casters since the mod went live that didnt have firewall or haste. so when ya try to be helpful and point out the importance of those 2 spells in the majority of content they get ****y and complain about you being elitist. the quality of pugs has gone downhill. but the simple solution to this is to group with your friends/guilds as much as possible and when you do pug be selective of which guilds/persons you group with. im starting to see a frightening number of 16 sorc/1ftr/1barb type builds hitting the hgih levels that are really really in need of rerolls.

But seriously, if I was a newb (and not the n00b i am) and you came at me with your good ole boy, southern style, "Get you some firewall and haste son. We can have a good ol time den...." Id prolly get all ****y with you too :D

[-Mojo-]

I read all the posts to date on this topic and want to briefly chime in.
I think first of all that anyone posting here has the right to say what they want within the rules of the forum. I also think I see the point regarding how groups have become and sure, havent we all had a group like that where you have maybe limmited time, it should be satrait forward and you get tied up with people who you wish had more xp in DDO then they do. Sure we have almost all been there...
At the same time I think making a list of people who are vetrens is a bit over the top (like Spyder said.)
The Op makes a point on what we put in our LFG saying it may be a good idea to put "vetrens only". I think it is always a good idea putting in your LFG exactly what you expect from those joining your group. We were all new players at one time regardles of if it was mod 9 or beta so I dont think anyone was being unsympothetic, but at the same time I see where some can feel it was disingenious.
We all play this game to have FUN and if your not enjoying the game walk away or quit. To me fun may be going slow and letting new players see the quest. the next guy may be in a hurry and wan tthe xp to rush to the next quest to level the character, and thats fine too. In the end we all find the joy in different ways and to ensure others dont enfrindge on your enjoyment we will all need to have more patience with new players and more importantly use good communication in with them (IE LFG message) so that no one is put out and having a bad time.

Its a interesting topic and enjoy reading the posts on this. I know now that I have read this I will tend put more info in the LFG as to what is expected (with me I hate it when peeps dont talk or don't have a mic.)
Have a good one folks, mojo out...

[Rrend]

I guess I should have expected the completely unnecessary drama but I've never been one to care much about what others think anyway so here we are.

Some good suggestions here but most require more work than I really have time for:

New guild? Nope, mine is great but just not many people in it leveling lowbies when I'm on during the evenings.

In game PMs? Not worth it... I have a friends list on my lowbies but lucky to have 1 or 2 out of twenty actually on their lowbies at a time... I work this angle but only helpful sometimes.

Chat channel? I don't even want to learn how to make one. Hard enough to keep track of party and guild chat.

Whether or not pugs are worse or better post F2P is a matter of opinion. My personal solution may or may not be the best one but that's the beauty of the free market... if you don't like it or agree with it, ignore it. Given the thread has been hijacked, I'll try it again but if the griefers really can't tolerate this approach then guess what? Life will go on... its only a game. I tried.

To the drama queens out there that intepreted this as "exclusive" "cliquish" "newbie hating" etc. Pack sand. I'm just looking for a short list of likeminded players that I could rely upon to make my gaming experience more fun. I'm not interested in being a charity for new players, but I will happily help those who are willing to listen. Problem is, as Spyderwolf pointed out, most aren't willing to listen and they never ask for help.

[SEMPER]

all that has to be said is we were all newbs once and others helped us along or all learned togther to be where we are now , they have to learn somewhere and if they try and teach themselves everything and get the wrong information and u just push them aside , they will either do it wrong all the time , leave the game ( which imho isnt what we want ) . I agree it can be frustrating but dont u think others were frustrated with u when u were in there shoes ? i think so and some were like u know and some where like others that try to help them as much as they can

[Rrend]

all that has to be said is we were all newbs once and others helped us along or all learned togther to be where we are now , they have to learn somewhere and if they try and teach themselves everything and get the wrong information and u just push them aside , they will either do it wrong all the time , leave the game ( which imho isnt what we want ) . I agree it can be frustrating but dont u think others were frustrated with u when u were in there shoes ? i think so and some were like u know and some where like others that try to help them as much as they can

For the love of god, I'm not asking anyone to stop helping noobs. I'm just trying to avoid helping 5 of them at once and ending up hating the experience so much that I quit.

[Stormslinger]

Newbie hater!!:p



For the love of god, I'm not asking anyone to stop helping noobs. I'm just trying to avoid helping 5 of them at once and ending up hating the experience so much that I quit.

[Stormslinger]

Newbie hater!!:p

By the way when im on Stormsz lvl 9 Sorc totally want to non pug for XP LOL

[Quikster]

I guess I should have expected the completely unnecessary drama but I've never been one to care much about what others think anyway so here we are.

Some good suggestions here but most require more work than I really have time for:

New guild? Nope, mine is great but just not many people in it leveling lowbies when I'm on during the evenings.

In game PMs? Not worth it... I have a friends list on my lowbies but lucky to have 1 or 2 out of twenty actually on their lowbies at a time... I work this angle but only helpful sometimes.

Chat channel? I don't even want to learn how to make one. Hard enough to keep track of party and guild chat.

Whether or not pugs are worse or better post F2P is a matter of opinion. My personal solution may or may not be the best one but that's the beauty of the free market... if you don't like it or agree with it, ignore it. Given the thread has been hijacked, I'll try it again but if the griefers really can't tolerate this approach then guess what? Life will go on... its only a game. I tried.

To the drama queens out there that intepreted this as "exclusive" "cliquish" "newbie hating" etc. Pack sand. I'm just looking for a short list of likeminded players that I could rely upon to make my gaming experience more fun. I'm not interested in being a charity for new players, but I will happily help those who are willing to listen. Problem is, as Spyderwolf pointed out, most aren't willing to listen and they never ask for help.

I guarantee you, starting a chat channel is much easier and faster than:

a:compiling a list of alts who want to level
b:plugging them all into your friends list
c:updating your little excel spreadsheet
d:updating the forum listing
e:looking for these peeps in game, then sending them a tell to see if they want to do somthing.


Create chat channel:

/joinchanel Rend

/1 hey anyone want to run Xorian 8-11 elite? Need healer and int rune getter.

then when you get a response......

(user chat 1) (veteran lowbie): sure

you just right click on their name and hit party invite on the drop down. Easy peasy lemon squeezy :) Try it out. This database you are trying to put together is much more tedious then shooting a pm to peeps that respond to a simple post:

leveling an alt. Starting a channel to get groups. PM me if intersted for name and password.

Good luck :)

PS throw up an lfm and ill hit it if Im not busy, but my chat channels are full atm :D

[William_the_Bat]

Remind me to avoid "Veterans only" groups.

Newbies are an invaluable resource. I consider it a challenge to complete a quest using tactics adapted to different and sometimes odd playstyles, and my "helpful advice" is usually more in the form of "yeah, tactic X works really well here, let's try Y since blah blah blah"

Sometimes, it's not what you say, but how you say it.

[Phidius]

If you cant solo most level 8-16... your not a vet.


Cry me a river? Seriously bud, 4/5 pugs before F2P were painful in that level range (on Sarlona also). So the range might be 9/10 now :) It's not like F2P suddenly made the experience night and day worse.

I stopped PUGging outside of raids a while back... face it, there are a lot of annoying vets out there.

I pretty much did what you did... except I used personal experiences with people to decide if they were the kind of folk I like to run with, and added them to my friends list.

I admit I'm not likely to run into new people (F2P and VIP alike), but I'm OK with that. My other friends bring in enough new blood for me to wince at.

[QuantumFX]

what's to stop f2p players posting their toons here?

Garth

Join dates? The OP could hit up the my.DDO.com links to their characters if the posters aren’t scared of being associated with them.

[Tyrande]

Veterans,

[...]

Rrendsoul, Favored Soul, 12
Rrendage, Fighter, 12
Rrendtron, Barbarian, 11
Rrendfu, Monk, 10


Rrend, I will look you up. I have a fighting and healing halfling monk in that level range.

[irivan]

Is exactly the kind of player i dont want around at all. Please backlist me and my toons for ever, and never ever play on Khyber.

You think that you did not once suck like these froobs and other newbs? Please, save your breath for some one who cares.

Newbs will always be welcome in my groups, and if they are just annoying, they will get booted and squelched, so deal with it like a man!

[Nonan]

Hi Welcome


(glad I don't this kind of elitist silliness much on Thelanis.)

Moore,

Settle down there big guy. I too play on Sarlona and have had a huge amount (around 60%) of my groups in this range kill me because of lack of manners and just plain poor play. I can forgive poor play, everyone has to learn, but poor manners I cant forgive. People leaving in mid group, zerging when they have no business zerging, etc., etc.



I think an idea like this is good, if not abused or misused, as there are some great F2P players out there, unfortunatley this group, in my experiences, is low in number. It will lower my bad groups and hopefully make my game more enjoyable. I will not however give up on our new friends, I hope to be able ot group with them and help them enjoy our community as well. Just not at the expense of my time or enjoyment.

[soupertc]

Newbs will always be welcome in my groups, and if they are just annoying, they will get booted and squelched, so deal with it like a man!

that's not exactly how a "MAN" deals with things....just saying.

[Roman]

This isn't a group therapy session where everyone needs to share their feelings and opinions. The OP certainly didnt ask for them.

What he did say was...


... So, as a solution, if you are interested in grouping with veteran players to run quests in the range from 8 to 14 on hard/elite in order to max XP and Favor, please post your toons...

If you don't have a toon in the lvl 8 to 14 range that you would like to level up with other veteran players then go create your own thread about your feelings on the subject.

[soupertc]

If you don't have a toon in the lvl 8 to 14 range that you would like to level up with other veteran players then go create your own thread about your feelings on the subject.

Couldn't agree more.

[Quikster]

This isn't a group therapy session where everyone needs to share their feelings and opinions. The OP certainly didnt ask for them.

What he did say was...



If you don't have a toon in the lvl 8 to 14 range that you would like to level up with other veteran players then go create your own thread about your feelings on the subject.


Couldn't agree more.

Please. Like you two have never given unsolicited opinions.

[soupertc]

Please. Like you two have never given unsolicited opinions.

just on Whiny ass Shroud threads

[Quikster]

just on Whiny ass Shroud threads

Nice try, but thats simply not the case :)

[soupertc]

Nice try, but thats simply not the case :)

sure it is....my main issue is the people who are jumpin into this thread and bashing the OP aren't even from Sarlona. So they are making assumptions about someone they have never grouped with. When I post on the forums is is normally on Sarlona.....I don't go to other servers and judge ****** bags for what they have to say....I got enough of em here. Maybe he worded it wrong.....but when I read it I understood what it meant....it wasn't hard to figure out. I didn't take what he put as....I'm UBER and I hate NEWBS.

[Quikster]

sure it is....my main issue is the people who are jumpin into this thread and bashing the OP aren't even from Sarlona. So they are making assumptions about someone they have never grouped with. When I post on the forums is is normally on Sarlona.....I don't go to other servers and judge ****** bags for what they have to say....I got enough of em here. Maybe he worded it wrong.....but when I read it I understood what it meant....it wasn't hard to figure out. I didn't take what he put as....I'm UBER and I hate NEWBS.

Isnt it possible many of those peeps also play on sarlona (many of them do but not all) While I agree I can do without the trolls, I dont necessarily disagree with them either. IMO the op should suck it up and put together a channel for peeps he know leveling lowbies, not come here and make a list. But thats JMO and I didnt think i needed to repeat it. OTOH you are notorious for trolling the Sarlona threads, so to see you come in here and say that is a little silly imo. Im not saying its good or bad that you do, but cmon, your in here as much as anyone giving your 2c.


Edit:: BTW since this is no longer about Rend getting a list together, imo its fair game for peeps to come in and give their opinion.

[William_the_Bat]

Ya know, if you don't want to take criticism for taking a controversial stance on a public forum... then don't post.

The discussion is entirely relevant and appropriate for this thread.

Seriously, if all you want is a bunch of like minded people to validate your position, and don't want criticism, then you need to find a forum where nobody has differing opinions.

Good luck with that.

[soupertc]

Isnt it possible many of those peeps also play on sarlona (many of them do but not all) While I agree I can do without the trolls, I dont necessarily disagree with them either. IMO the op should suck it up and put together a channel for peeps he know leveling lowbies, not come here and make a list. But thats JMO and I didnt think i needed to repeat it. OTOH you are notorious for trolling the Sarlona threads, so to see you come in here and say that is a little silly imo. Im not saying its good or bad that you do, but cmon, your in here as much as anyone giving your 2c.


Edit:: BTW since this is no longer about Rend getting a list together, imo its fair game for peeps to come in and give their opinion.

wow I'm notorious huh......sweet.

[Quikster]

wow I'm notorious huh......sweet.

well there are only a few of us that might respond to any thread at just about anytime of day......

[soupertc]

well there are only a few of us that might respond to any thread at just about anytime of day......

I guess you take my bad attempts at humor on some of your threads as trolls....if so that's an issue with you man. I treat the forums much like I treat the game....it's all fun cause none of it really matters once I log. I try to stick up for things I think are right....and what the OP did isn't bad IMO...so I see no need to attack him for what he wrote.....if ya remember right I did the same for you and your last Whiny Shroud thread were they wouldn't let ya in at 13.....can't say I agreed with it....but I felt you were kinda right.....kinda.

oh and your on more than me man!!!!! are you on drugs 2nite or something?!?!?!?!?!?!!

[moops]

Poor Rendor:)

It's a fine conumdren--
I joined a Vale quest half way through in the past couple days, the lvl 16 caster died 8 times alone while I was in there--we were on normal. .. One shotted mostly, no chance for me or the other Healer to heal.

I like the social aspect and want to meet new people, even help new people--and I don't care if someone is a vet or not--but I avoid any vets that have the tendency to die more than a few times in a quest/raid--so while I of course want to give everyone a chance--I don't really want to group with people who jsut aren't ready for the content that they are running as I also don't always have the 70 mins to do a quest that I normally do in 15- 20.

[Quikster]

I guess you take my bad attempts at humor on some of your threads as trolls....if so that's an issue with you man.

Well attempts at humor or not , you my friend are a troll. Its not like your an ugly green thing feasting on human flesh, your just a forum troll, so what?




I treat the forums much like I treat the game....it's all fun cause none of it really matters once I log. I try to stick up for things I think are right....and what the OP did isn't bad IMO...so I see no need to attack him for what he wrote.....if ya remember right I did the same for you and your last Whiny Shroud thread were they wouldn't let ya in at 13.....can't say I agreed with it....but I felt you were kinda right.....kinda.



I dont disagre at all. I never said you did any different. Doesnt mean you arent a troll though. And this has nothing to do with weather or not I belong in a shroud at 13, this has to do with you agreeing with a statement that peeps should stay out of this thread if they arent going to post their alts to level with Rend. You and I both know that aint going to happen, and that both of us have stuck our noses in threads that we "didnt belong" as has Roman.




oh and your on more than me man!!!!! are you on drugs 2nite or something?!?!?!?!?!?!!

Read my post again bro. The word us was included. I have no delusions about my place here. I like your posts and have never been offended. But I will call BS when I see it, and your post that I responded too, was BS. You have been in plenty of threads where you were not contributing to the OP's point of the post. I dont really care, but I am going to call you on BS as I would expect to be called on it.

[soupertc]

Well attempts at humor or not , you my friend are a troll. Its not like your an ugly green thing feasting on human flesh, your just a forum troll, so what?





I dont disagre at all. I never said you did any different. Doesnt mean you arent a troll though. And this has nothing to do with weather or not I belong in a shroud at 13, this has to do with you agreeing with a statement that peeps should stay out of this thread if they arent going to post their alts to level with Rend. You and I both know that aint going to happen, and that both of us have stuck our noses in threads that we "didnt belong" as has Roman.




Read my post again bro. The word us was included. I have no delusions about my place here. I like your posts and have never been offended. But I will call BS when I see it, and your post that I responded too, was BS. You have been in plenty of threads where you were not contributing to the OP's point of the post. I dont really care, but I am going to call you on BS as I would expect to be called on it.

**** logic!!!

[Quikster]

Poor Rendor:)

It's a fine conumdren--
I joined a Vale quest half way through in the past couple days, the lvl 16 caster died 8 times alone while I was in there--we were on normal. .. One shotted mostly, no chance for me or the other Healer to heal.


You promised you wouldnt tell!

[Raveneia]

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[Cyzanna]

On the flipside of life,,,

New to DDO, (quickly upgraded to premium),,,BUT not new to gaming and certainly not new to D&D (played in pen and paper and the very original ones to pc,,,long before the internet!!!

I can see the idea Turbine had on the f2p, nice idea and got me to try

BUT sheesh, try and learn the game with all the sorts around,

Not really grouping as the run in and blast crowds just get everybody killed, doesn't anybody teach some tactics?

And the kind of misinformation going around in general is amazing, but then all the research to do on webpages is a task in itself.

Have committed 10 years to another game, with some years in there devoted to a couple others so I can imagine how the longstanding community can get frustrated with all the new ones around (gripes I'm in DDO and having to learn about wow! I mean comeon!) BUT stop for a second about how the newbies at least some of them might be feeling too

Have fun!

[Quikster]

On the flipside of life,,,

New to DDO, (quickly upgraded to premium),,,BUT not new to gaming and certainly not new to D&D (played in pen and paper and the very original ones to pc,,,long before the internet!!!

I can see the idea Turbine had on the f2p, nice idea and got me to try

BUT sheesh, try and learn the game with all the sorts around,

Not really grouping as the run in and blast crowds just get everybody killed, doesn't anybody teach some tactics?

And the kind of misinformation going around in general is amazing, but then all the research to do on webpages is a task in itself.

Have committed 10 years to another game, with some years in there devoted to a couple others so I can imagine how the longstanding community can get frustrated with all the new ones around (gripes I'm in DDO and having to learn about wow! I mean comeon!) BUT stop for a second about how the newbies at least some of them might be feeling too

Have fun!

Welcome :D Look me up if you need any questions answered. (I dont know anything but who to ask to get the answer :D )

[Quikster]

......

What happened? To many ******* ? Your post was good, and had some good points in it.

[Quikster]

**** logic!!!

Sorry, Mom's in town, must be a side effect.....

[Yargore]

The OP just want to play with people who share his playstyle and are equally experienced. I don't see what's wrong with that?

A while back when I played on Thelanis I did the same by putting "Be uber or don't join" on my LFMs when leveling, new players can't possibly keep up so they will not enjoy the quest, nor will they contribute anything.
It was a success, not only did I met some good players, but I also got some amusing tells from some roleplayers who insulted me and claimed that I insulted all "average and below" players by not wanting to play with them.

Apparently we veterans have to spend our precious time ingame helping random noobs instead of enjoying the game.

[Rrend]

Where's the thread delete key??? Where's the *&%*$*ing thread delete key?!!?!

[soupertc]

Where's the thread delete key??? Where's the *&%*$*ing thread delete key?!!?!

lol

[Uska]

I would like to totaly disagree with the op but I just cant, while there are many fine new players there are also many new players who just want to be difficult and not want to listen or even flat out tell you that your wrong and dont know what your talking about. I have started to solo a lot more unless a friend or a guildie is on, if I didnt have tech issues often on khyber I would proably stick there even more since I know many fine players there and would have to put up with this issue less. If there was a game I liked even 10% as much as this I would consider trying it to see if it was better but the social enviroment is proably the same these kind of games just attact that kind of person.

Of course a pay only game would have less of the problematic players but wouldnt be free of them.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Where's the thread delete key??? Where's the *&%*$*ing thread delete key?!!?!

you know it says something good about the Sarlona community that nobody has derailed or posted something negative in your other thread Rrend :)

Garth

[Baltire]

Just want to help Rrend keep this thread going....

:D

[Rrend]

Just want to help Rrend keep this thread going....

:D

LOL! Now you have me doing it...

[Quikster]

Just want to help Rrend keep this thread going....

:D

Dont bother, I dont see it making it to 20, let it RIP

[FlyinS]

Oh so you're back too huh bud? Look me up

[Kalari]

Hey Rend ran one of my girls with your favored soul the other day think it was my ranger threw some necropolis and co6 and I admit to the pug quality has taken a hit but to me pugging has always been hit or miss depending on the class im playing especially. I hate babysitting other players at any level so it can be rough. I cant put myself on your list because I play at random times now due to family issues but if im ever on and you dont see me in group feel free to send a message the worst I will say is cant right now.

Ladies are in my sig save the new ones which all have listed in their bios. Oh and playing mostly elves gives me away to :p

[Rrend]

Hey Rend ran one of my girls with your favored soul the other day think it was my ranger threw some necropolis and co6 and I admit to the pug quality has taken a hit but to me pugging has always been hit or miss depending on the class im playing especially. I hate babysitting other players at any level so it can be rough. I cant put myself on your list because I play at random times now due to family issues but if im ever on and you dont see me in group feel free to send a message the worst I will say is cant right now.

Ladies are in my sig save the new ones which all have listed in their bios. Oh and playing mostly elves gives me away to :p

Roger that.

[Rrend]

Oh so you're back too huh bud? Look me up

I only took a few months off for Fallout3 waiting for mod9. Been trying to maximize my DDO time before my son is born in February... after which my life really ends (or begins depending on how you look at it).

2 kids and 5 year old PC in a 2B/2B condo = no man cave

[FlyinS]

I only took a few months off for Fallout3 waiting for mod9. Been trying to maximize my DDO time before my son is born in February... after which my life really ends (or begins depending on how you look at it).

2 kids and 5 year old PC in a 2B/2B condo = no man cave


LOL second kid on the way already. Nice, congrats bud!

Hey my PC is about 5 years old too but still hums DDO on high graphics along with no problems!

But 2 story house with jut me and the dog = a 2 story man cave. :D

[Rrend]

Yeah, but Dragonage is gonna require more horsepower I'm sure for high graphics settings.

I hate and resent all of you with multi-level man caves.

[Erchamion]

Rrend,

Anytime I'm on I'll be glad to help ya out, I've got 3-4 toons in that range I believe.

Grettel 12th Barb - Ugly
Bellflower 10th Fighter - Intimitank AC build
Kobaiashi - 9th - Kensai DPS

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[SquelchHU]

Wait, this isn't just happening on Argo? I was wondering if the sudden massive decrease in the quality and quantity of groups in that range was an isolated thing... this even happens in the P2P areas, so I don't think it can be fully pinned on the 'froobs'.

Not knowing the quest I could understand, and wouldn't be the slightest bit mad about. After all I was there myself not too long ago, and still am for some content. But things like arcanes not hasting and firewalling, divines not making use of their spells because they'd rather melee, and not even that well, melee guys running 5 screens ahead of everyone else... That sort of thing used to stop when you hit this range and the game got more serious, now it doesn't. End result is 30 minute quests take 2 hours and up. That's just stupid. Way I see it, know what to do or be willing to listen to those that do. That's my stance.

I don't have any Sarlona characters, so I will leave it at that.

[Quikster]

Very disappointing thread.


It had potential, but alas, nobody here has a big enough sac.

[Narmolanya]

Feel you pain in this regard. I have just given up on the game all together and cancelled both my accounts. The game has just become painful to play as most of the people I played with quit long ago with the eternal wait for mod 9, I mean DDO:EU. I was excited when the FTP launched but my worst fears came true when I realized how many of the new players were arrogant kids with no intrest in learning the game. I log into server after server and it's the same thing. Maybe the game is just played out for me, I don't know. I just have zero intrest in PUGing anymore and my guild has gone to large and active to 2 or 3 active players, and active for them now a days seems to be once a week.

DDO was an awsome game but the slow development of new content over the last year and a half has driven a lot of good players away. Now they have attracted new players that pay nothing and have little investment to the game. I won't even get into being able to buy favor rewards like Drow and 32 pt builds in the store. The game has just simply jumped the shark.

Now I read this thread with some hope maybe other people are frustrated as well and I am floored how many long time subscribers are flaming the OP for his desicion to enjoy the game how he sees fit. I mean he/she pays to play so why flame if he wants to play with like minded players.

Anyway To the OP I hope you find the playersyou are looking for in the game and sorry to derail the thread. I will go back to quietly waiting for Mortal Online to launch now.

[Jovial]

Op. You may investigate the "dungeon scaling" as the culprit. I have no problem soloing the same content at level that becomes resource intensive in a group. Ive noticed that post mod its better to solo whatever you can and take others if you need a lever puller or something. inexperienced players aggravate this of course but thats really a side effect of the real problem

[Rrend]

Very disappointing thread.


It had potential, but alas, nobody here has a big enough sac.

Stop talking about my sac.

[FlyinS]

Yeah, but Dragonage is gonna require more horsepower I'm sure for high graphics settings.

I hate and resent all of you with multi-level man caves.

But we still lubs you.

[Genealogist]

As annoying as noobs can be, I played for about a month of f2p and wouldn't have started taking this game seriously if there weren't vets who took me through quests and helped me figure out what would be good for my sorc. Now I'm p2p and helping enthusiastic and non-******** noobs get through butcher's path and all that other stuff.

So, in conclusion:

Yours sincerely,
Milatra.

[Kalari]

Wow what is up with all the angry posts at him, its his right to try to enjoy the game he wishes to. Its not just about free to play bashing the quality of pugs have always been hit or miss. But if a persons time is limited and they just want to get things done is it so wrong not to want to have to carry others all the darn time?

When I was new I received help and I appreciated it. Ive tried to give the same but its a different game then even 2 years ago. In the general chat people will argue cuss and act like complete morons its enough to not want to look at it. You give solid advice only to have some jack hole argue with you till others confirm it then they spout some expletive and log out.

Its not the same ball game and yes I do believe a lot of it got worst with the changes to general chat and the population growth. And while yes I have met and ran with some great new players ive also run into some really foul mouth idiots who I will try hard not to group with again. So to all of you telling Rrend hes foolish for wanting to enjoy the game I hope you really are all out there helping new players even the idiots and thank you for being the Mother Teresa's of the game.

[woundweaver]

its real simple, if ya dont wanna group with "noobs". show what skills you got to an officer, and join a large guild. then, pugging wont be necessary. i play on sarlona, and there are about 5 or 6 very large guilds-excluding the chinese ones. then you can solo the lower levels, and have a few guildies help through the higher level stuff. easy peasy. i havent been forced to pug much, except raids, and people generally know whos who on a server. so, all in all, go join a guild. it will save you alot of frustration in the end.

[Sarla]

Veterans,

Soloing becomes more difficult and costly at levels 8-16 effectively.

On average I'd say that my PUG experience in this level range has been less than 30% positive. A Xorian hard run with 10-12's last night alone cost me 10 RD scrolls, 25 heal scrolls, countless pots, and I can honestly say that only one other player in the party was worth grouping with again. I was just grateful to get the completion.

So, as a solution, if you are interested in grouping with veteran players to run quests in the range from 8 to 14 on hard/elite in order to max XP and Favor, please post your toons using the following format. Level range should be 8 to 16. I will update this list daily and sort the list by level and class for ease of lookup. Anyone on this list should use it to contact others in game by putting VETERANS ONLY in an LFM or sending a tell to anyone on this list that says "vets only group forming, you interested?"

Rrendsoul, Favored Soul, 12
Rrendage, Fighter, 12
Rrendtron, Barbarian, 11
Rrendfu, Monk, 10

Please use commas to separate and use standard class names so that I can export to Excel and quickly sort the list before reposting.

I will put any toons on this list in my friends list so that I can track their level progression and monitor who is on-line. Should help increase the percentage of players in my pugs that don't suck. I'm open for suggestions to improve this process as well. Let me know.

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