THe FInal Feat Is...

[DoctorWhofan]

As my main (Trissa) approuches 18, time to deside my feat. I am torn between toughness (cuz I am low on HP) or Greater spell penetration, to increase her offensive casting damage.

She's a Generalist CLeric (healing/buffing/offensive casting)

She has:

Quicken
Extend
Maximise
Spell Penetration
Extra Turning (not dropping!)
Mental Toughness

Also, how much is extend used in the high level quests? I would miss Extended blade barriers but I would be ok dropping it.

[Haribo]

If you have at least 300 hp, go for spellpen, if you are below, take toughness.

[LewsTherin]

I had extend on my Cleric for a while but decided to drop it. It's only good for recitation or prayer really. Not worth it IMO. Spell pen is useful in the new content, but I find I have more trouble with mobs saving against my spell DC then I do with spell pen. HP are always useful. I agree with Haribo's statement.

[DoctorWhofan]

If you have at least 300 hp, go for spellpen, if you are below, take toughness.

272 with Minos Legen and the toughness enhancements I can take.

[DoctorWhofan]

If I drop extend, then what?

[RACRGUY]

I would agree on toughness.

As for dropping extend, it's up to you, I still can't decide whether I should have it or not, but another option in its place is empower.

[Impaqt]

I had extend on my Cleric for a while but decided to drop it. It's only good for recitation or prayer really. Not worth it IMO. Spell pen is useful in the new content, but I find I have more trouble with mobs saving against my spell DC then I do with spell pen. HP are always useful. I agree with Haribo's statement.
and Greater Comand, and Blade Barier, and COmetfall, and Divine Power, and Symbol of Stunning...


272 with Minos Legen and the toughness enhancements I can take.

You cant take the Toughness Enhancemnts with the Minos Legens anymore. It no longer grants the toughness feat even.


I would agree on toughness.

As for dropping extend, it's up to you, I still can't decide whether I should have it or not, but another option in its place is empower.

She has Empower.....

I would recomend Improved Mental Toughness actually. that extra 100 Spellpoints is nice for a cleric. I wouldnt get rid of Extend though.

[bobbryan2]

I really like extend for blade barriers. That alone is enough for me to take it.

I'd probably lean towards empower, empowered healing (50% bonus for 4 extra sp), or greater spell pen.

[RACRGUY]

She has:

Quicken
Extend
Maximise
Spell Penetration
Extra Turning (not dropping!)
Mental Toughness



She has Empower.....

I would recomend Improved Mental Toughness actually. that extra 100 Spellpoints is nice for a cleric. I wouldnt get rid of Extend though.


Where?

As for IMT, I may drop it to get Extend again. Like I said, I'm still on the ropes on Extend, it definetely has its uses.

[Impaqt]

Where?

As for IMT, I may drop it to get Extend again. Like I said, I'm still on the ropes on Extend, it definetely has its uses.

Weird. I could of sworn I saw Empower on that list whenI looked at it. Must of been thinking of my Clerics. :)


IMT is still better than Extra Turns IMO.

~100 extra spell points for SOmeone else or 100 extra spellpoints for YOU. DV's are nice for Emergency Situations. Its no longer necessary to rely on them... Not that it ever was.....

[RACRGUY]

Weird. I could of sworn I saw Empower on that list whenI looked at it. Must of been thinking of my Clerics. :)


IMT is still better than Extra Turns IMO.

~100 extra spell points for SOmeone else or 100 extra spellpoints for YOU. DV's are nice for Emergency Situations. Its no longer necessary to rely on them... Not that it ever was.....

I agree, but she was adamant on that one, so I didn't go that route.

[EKKM]

I would personally go for grtr spell penetration out of those two. I detest wasting spell points on failed spell pen checks (also why i took heighten).

At 18 my human has:
Extend
Empower heal
Mental toughness
Maximize
Spell pen
Quicken
Grtr spell pen
Heighten - frickin' Shavarath..

[juniorpfactors]

As my main (Trissa) approuches 18, time to deside my feat. I am torn between toughness (cuz I am low on HP) or Greater spell penetration, to increase her offensive casting damage.

She's a Generalist CLeric (healing/buffing/offensive casting)

She has:

Quicken
Extend
Maximise
Spell Penetration
Extra Turning (not dropping!)
Mental Toughness

Also, how much is extend used in the high level quests? I would miss Extended blade barriers but I would be ok dropping it.


good grief I thought we fixed this 18 months ago..... dump this garbage and get greater spell pen and toughness or Emp Healing, EMPOWER, at least you finally picked up quicken

take care, good seeing you..... dont get lost in TS

jrp

[EKKM]

Going back to toughness, I dont think it required for clerics. Assuming a 14 base CON and a +6 item and level 18 (which I assume Trissa is at):

20 base
144 18 cleric - 18x8
10 - GH favour
20-30 False life item
90 Con (5x18)
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284-294 - add in aid/heroes/GH and you're pretty good.

If you started at 8-10 CON then toughness or a shroud HP item are likely required.

[grhuff]

I noticed no one is recommending Heighten. Is this feat not as useful as Toughness or Spell Pen?

EDIT - I didn't see that EKKM suggested Heighten. But I still see more people running with MT, IMT, Toughness, SP, Quicken, Maximize, Empower/EH, etc over Heighten.

[DoctorWhofan]

good grief I thought we fixed this 18 months ago..... dump this garbage and get greater spell pen and toughness or Emp Healing, EMPOWER, at least you finally picked up quicken

take care, good seeing you..... dont get lost in TS

jrp

THnaks JrP. Glad I am here so all your clerics look better...:p

[DoctorWhofan]

and Greater Comand, and Blade Barier, and COmetfall, and Divine Power, and Symbol of Stunning...



You cant take the Toughness Enhancemnts with the Minos Legens anymore. It no longer grants the toughness feat even.



She has Empower.....

I would recomend Improved Mental Toughness actually. that extra 100 Spellpoints is nice for a cleric. I wouldnt get rid of Extend though.

I have Maximse, not Empower. I switched them awhile back when I trying out Max + healing. Doesn't help (that I noticed) but kept it for the blade barriers. I like.

I was talking about the ENHANCEMNTS not the feat. I know Minos legen only gives me like 20 points...darnit!

If I take TOughness-I will most likely get the Enhancements (if any for cleric) that go with them.

If I take Greater Spell Penetration- I would have to take the rest ofthe enhancements...but I was planning that anyways.

If I take Improved Mental Toughness- I get a 100 SP.

If I keep Extra Turning- THe PuGs I have been in will finish the raid. Good enough for me.

BTW... just dinged. mmmmmmmmm.....

[Uska]

I say take toughness and drop extend and take greater spell pen I love having it that way.

[Vivanto]

Spell penetration also depends on what spells you wanna use really.

If say, gc, stun and the like, you don't really need it as with an item can get the equivalent spell pene as a level 9 spell with both feats, since there aren't any spell pene 9 items out there yet (as far as I know) and I can easily land those having both of the feats.

However if you wanna implode stuff, then yes you pretty much need it to cope with the lack of items.

[DoctorWhofan]

Spell penetration also depends on what spells you wanna use really.

If say, gc, stun and the like, you don't really need it as with an item can get the equivalent spell pene as a level 9 spell with both feats, since there aren't any spell pene 9 items out there yet (as far as I know) and I can easily land those having both of the feats.

However if you wanna implode stuff, then yes you pretty much need it to cope with the lack of items.

I was thinking that, too. However, I only use my offensive spells in an emeragncy or when I am soloing. I am healing, otherwise. SO isthat a viable choice? Grrr...

At 17, I have 272 HP and 1756ish SP. THat is with Shroud tier 3 goggles (and cuz I messed up, tier two boots. But I got a nice clickie of dispacement) I have the necklace (and ring) from HoX, and I needthe armour (?) from VoD if I could get a group to do that. And get it. Not sure what the set does, but that may be a factor in all this. No, I am not wearing it yet, I want to see the armour first.

All these feats are good choices: Toughness, Improved Mental Toughness, Greater Spell Pen. Maybe Empower heal.