I forget....

[Aspenor]

Do the two-weapon fighting feats help with unarmed combat? Or are they essentially wasted feats?

[Strakeln]

They do now. In fact, they're required if you want to go unarmed. Yay for those of us who made and equipped our Monks before they made this change. :mad:

[Aspenor]

tyvm strake

[Shima-ra]

Two weapon fighting applies with your handwraps on,

But two weapon defense and two weapon blocking, you actually need to wield two weapons to gain benefit there.


Same goes with the ranger tempest line, you need two weapons.

[TreknaQudane]

They do now. In fact, they're required if you want to go unarmed. Yay for those of us who made and equipped our Monks before they made this change. :mad:

Yes, yay for us since I had the TWF line anyway.

[nofare]

I was only aiming for unarmed-hand-wrapped combat all along, but, am I surprised to read that I need to invest in the Two-Weapon Fighting Feat to enjoy that ability.

[Strakeln]

I was only aiming for unarmed-hand-wrapped combat all along, but, am I surprised to read that I need to invest in the Two-Weapon Fighting Feat to enjoy that ability.Well, you don't need to... you could always resign yourself to half-assed DPS.

Leave it to Turbine to fix their design flaws in such a manner. I probably shouldn't complain too much... at least this part of the monk has a fix. Predictions on when/if the class will ever work correctly? I say 2020, which will be several years after this game has closed...

[Cedwin]

You don't see the benefits until you get ITWF and then GTWF correct? That's when the extra attacks start to show?

Is the extra attacks the only benefit? or is there something else I'm missing?

[rimble]

You don't see the benefits until you get ITWF and then GTWF correct? That's when the extra attacks start to show?

Is the extra attacks the only benefit? or is there something else I'm missing?

No -2 ToHit penalty (or -4 for those with two Medium weapons) and full Strength damage on your offhand attacks (with weapons you get half Strength damage on your offhand attacks).

[Cedwin]

No -2 ToHit penalty (or -4 for those with two Medium weapons) and full Strength damage on your offhand attacks (with weapons you get half Strength damage on your offhand attacks).

So wait, you get a -2 attack penalty with handwraps unless you have TWF?

You do half damage with your offhand with handwraps unless you have TWF?

Aren't handwraps technically considered a Two Handed Weapon, since you can't dual wield two sets of handwraps?

Wow, Why is the Monk so screwed up?

[lanthan]

If you do not have the twf line of feats you fight as if you were using a single one-handed weapon. With the twf line you get extra attacks but you do not get any of the penalties normally associated with twf.

The first feat adds one attack the second adds 2 and the third is supposed to add two as well giving you three hits of the 4th swing but only adds one atm.

All attacks are made at your normal to hit and full strength bonus to dmg regardless of if the attack was a main hand attack or off hand attack.

[rimble]

So wait, you get a -2 attack penalty with handwraps unless you have TWF?

You do half damage with your offhand with handwraps unless you have TWF?

No, you're not making off-hand attacks without the TWF Feats. Your animation may look like it, but you're not.


Aren't handwraps technically considered a Two Handed Weapon, since you can't dual wield two sets of handwraps?

No.


Why is the Monk so screwed up?

No idea.

[Cedwin]

No, you're not making off-hand attacks without the TWF Feats. Your animation may look like it, but you're not.

Ok, that's what I thought, the previous poster that answered my original question had me confuselled: http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2447784&postcount=9

[Strakeln]

Wow, Why is the Monk so screwed up?
I wish we knew. You know, a little over a year ago, they delayed an entire mod so they could "get the monk right". Here we are, 1.5 years later, and it is so far from "right" that it's not even funny. Half the **** doesn't work.... STILL! I mean... come on!

Doesn't give much hope for the other 55,000 things we would like to see fixed, does it?

[Cedwin]

I wish it would have said something, anything, about TWF working with unarmed combat when I first rolled a monk. He's level 10 now, and fun to play, but knowing that he could be doing more attacks per hit makes him feel gimped. I don't really want to re-roll him, I guess I could either visit Fred, or learn from this and just roll a new monk.

[rimble]

Ok, that's what I thought, the previous poster that answered my original question had me confuselled: http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2447784&postcount=9

Using me as evidence against myself. Diabolical.

[Lerincho]

two weapon defense, and any tempest line does not work with handwraps though.

[Cedwin]

Using me as evidence against myself. Diabolical.

Hah, I didn't even notice. :cool:

[Taxuaxis]

Hi there, I'm new to DDO.
I made a great warforged monk & I'm having a blast.

...That is until I saw this thread.

I did not pick TWF when I started & I just hit lvl 4 & it did not give me the option to pick twf. Do I have to wait for a higher level to choose it & if so, what level will it be available? I went to Fred to switch feats & it looked like he only gave me the option to change my lvl 1 feat. Which is fine because I just wanted to pick twf.

Does anyone know why it is not available to me? Is it a race restriction thing with being a warforged?

Do I have to scrap this monk & start all over? I do like this character because I'm working on building up the strength & wisdom, then dex & con.

BTW I also purchased a +1 tome for strength, will it be lost if I start over with a new monk? (I think it may be)

Thanks much!

[Cedwin]

Hi there, I'm new to DDO.
I made a great warforged monk & I'm having a blast.

...That is until I saw this thread.

I did not pick TWF when I started & I just hit lvl 4 & it did not give me the option to pick twf. Do I have to wait for a higher level to choose it & if so, what level will it be available? I went to Fred to switch feats & it looked like he only gave me the option to change my lvl 1 feat. Which is fine because I just wanted to pick twf.

Does anyone know why it is not available to me? Is it a race restriction thing with being a warforged?

Do I have to scrap this monk & start all over? I do like this character because I'm working on building up the strength & wisdom, then dex & con.

BTW I also purchased a +1 tome for strength, will it be lost if I start over with a new monk? (I think it may be)

Thanks much!

You need a 15 base dex to pick up TWF, and yes if you re-roll, your +1 tome will be lost. If you have a 14 dex, I would just get a +1 dex tome, and then swap the feat out, or you can wait until level 8 and put a point in to dex.

I ended up just re-rolling mine, started with the following stats:

16 str
15 dex
14 con
10 int
14 wis
8 cha

My original monk was up to level 10, but only had a 14 dex. Luckily a lot of the new end rewards for the long quest chains are bound to account now.

[Taxuaxis]

You need a 15 base dex to pick up TWF, and yes if you re-roll, your +1 tome will be lost. If you have a 14 dex, I would just get a +1 dex tome, and then swap the feat out, or you can wait until level 8 and put a point in to dex.

I ended up just re-rolling mine, started with the following stats:

16 str
15 dex
14 con
10 int
14 wis
8 cha

My original monk was up to level 10, but only had a 14 dex. Luckily a lot of the new end rewards for the long quest chains are bound to account now.


Thanks!
Your advice is a huge help! I do have a 14 dex right now.
Oh man, had I known before I finished training up to lvl 4, I could have put that stat point boost into dex instead into mooooar strength!
I think I'll just spring for a +1 dex tome, then hit up Fred

Your stats are high, is that a lvl 1 starting stats? is that this fabled 32 point build I've been hearing about?
I purchased a drow in the DDO store & I believe that is a 32 point build. Do drows make good monks? (dark monks?)
Can I get a 32 points for warforged? (or my current character?)

- Level 4 Warforged/ Monk: Masaccio

Thanks!

[Strakeln]

Thanks!
Your advice is a huge help! I do have a 14 dex right now.
Oh man, had I known before I finished training up to lvl 4, I could have put that stat point boost into dex instead into mooooar strength!
I think I'll just spring for a +1 dex tome, then hit up Fred

Your stats are high, is that a lvl 1 starting stats? is that this fabled 32 point build I've been hearing about?
I purchased a drow in the DDO store & I believe that is a 32 point build. Do drows make good monks? (dark monks?)
Can I get a 32 points for warforged? (or my current character?)

- Level 4 Warforged/ Monk: Masaccio

Thanks!
Careful here... one thing to consider is that while the base TWF feat only requires a 15 dex, the subsequent TWF feats (ITWF, GTWF) require a base dex of 17. So if you started with a 14 dex, you will need a +3 tome to take ITWF or GTWF. +3 tomes are around, but they're all bound (unless anyone has found an unbound +3 in the new stuff yet?). So that means it's something you'd have to grind for, not something you could trade for.

Take it from me, you don't want to grind for it. 60 reavers and 60 shrouds down, still waiting on my +3 dex tome for my WF monk that was capped long before they made TWF feats apply to unarmed combat.

[Cedwin]

Thanks!
Your advice is a huge help! I do have a 14 dex right now.
Oh man, had I known before I finished training up to lvl 4, I could have put that stat point boost into dex instead into mooooar strength!
I think I'll just spring for a +1 dex tome, then hit up Fred

Your stats are high, is that a lvl 1 starting stats? is that this fabled 32 point build I've been hearing about?
I purchased a drow in the DDO store & I believe that is a 32 point build. Do drows make good monks? (dark monks?)
Can I get a 32 points for warforged? (or my current character?)

- Level 4 Warforged/ Monk: Masaccio

Thanks!

Yes it's a 32 point build. If you get a +1 tome, you'll have to put a point into dex at level 8 and 12 to get GTWF eventually, or a point in at 8 and a +2 dex tome.