1 question abaut rogue to Admins

[MagarPL]

Dear DnD Admins can u tell me why sneak is so ******?? in PvP im normaly visible but when ork use stealt i cant see him omg what is that?

[Visty]

pvp in a tavern or in an actual arena?

and orcs are just uber

[tihocan]

Dear DnD Admins can u tell me why sneak is so ******?? in PvP im normaly visible but when ork use stealt i cant see him omg what is that?
Stealth broken in PvP is a known issue.
If you want to see invisible monsters, you need a high spot (or listen when they move).

[MagarPL]

omg but the problem is why players see me? i see that orks they sre no enemy to me but PvP i use stealth and players see me so what the point of sneak atack?

[Vahyor]

Don't pvp as a rogue. Seriously. Once you hit level 11 everyone is going to be wearing Heavy Fortification anyway which will make them immune to your crits and sneak attacks whether the attack would have been a sneak attack or not.

[Psyk0sisS]

If you're playing DDO to PvP, you picked the wrong reason to play DDO (IMHO). PvP in this game was put in to apease the PvP'rs for a bit and to add "new content". I'd guess sometime in the future it will become better, but dont expect it to ever become balanced because that will screw the game up.

Sneak Attack has nothing to do with sneaking. It's about doing major dmg when you dont have agro, kinda hard to figure out if a PC is agro'd on you in PvP. I agree that hiding in PvP would be awesome, I dont think PvP is a big priority right now.

[MagarPL]

omg but the problem is why players see me? i see that orks they sre no enemy to me but PvP i use stealth and players see me so what the point of sneak atack?

[Strakeln]

omg but the problem is why players see me?
Because Turbine is sloppy like that.

I challenge anyone to find me any better explanation as to why this has been like this for 2+ years.

[Danmor]

Re-posting the question is not necessarily the right move. What part of Psyk0sisS's post did you not understand?

I'll try to explain it again:
Stealth is a movement mode, where you use your hide and move silently skill to sneak past monsters.
This is broken in PvP, as tihocan pointed out. Therefore your opponent in PvP can see you. It's a bug. It's broken. It doesn't work as intended in PvP.

It works in quests. There you can use stealth to sneak past monsters, which is pretty useful. There your party can still see you. That is completely intended afaik.

Sneak attack is a special attack, that can be used when you don't have agro, i.e. the opponent's not focussing his attacks on you. This works in quests.
I don't know if it works in PvP. But as Vahyor pointed out, there are items for players that negate sneak attack damage. That means, even if you get a sneak attack, you don't get any additional damage. Therefore a rogue is not exactly the best choice to PvP.

Did that help?

[MagarPL]

omg but the problem is why players see me? i see that orks they sre no enemy to me but PvP i use stealth and players see me so what the point of sneak atack?

[Bahamir]

If you're playing DDO to PvP, you picked the wrong reason to play DDO (IMHO). PvP in this game was put in to apease the PvP'rs for a bit and to add "new content". I'd guess sometime in the future it will become better, but dont expect it to ever become balanced because that will screw the game up.

In another games they modify the item stats for PVP (ex. Fortification items shouldn't work on PVP, skill change they chances, etc) this way they can balance the PVP and the PVE.

[MagarPL]

hmm i play i have 4 lvl and now i dont see any reason to play.. quest more quest even more quest
0 events llike defend city atack castle
0 pvp
0 lags
its a wierd game

[Visty]

omg but the problem is why players see me? i see that orks they sre no enemy to me but PvP i use stealth and players see me so what the point of sneak atack?

they see you cause turbine hates you
it is a BUG

and you dont need to sneak to get sneakattacks and in pvp everyone has 100% fort anyway so sneakattacks are useless

[Arryeo]

omg go play another game.

this one is clearly not for you.

[7-day_Trial_Monkey]

hmm i play i have 4 lvl and now i dont see any reason to play.. quest more quest even more quest
0 events llike defend city atack castle Events hapen once in a while.
0 pvp Good!
0 lags You want them to add lag?
its a wierd game

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[shores11]

hmm i play i have 4 lvl and now i dont see any reason to play.. quest more quest even more quest
0 events llike defend city atack castle
0 pvp
0 lags
its a wierd game

It's only wierd to you because you have no clue and evidently do not want a clue as to what D&D is about. Your sneak attack and hide work perfectly in quests as they should. DDO (D&D) is not meant as a PvP game and I think the founders meant it that way as the game is mainly designed around questing not PvP.

If you can not or do not want to understand this then yes this game is not for you. Good luck in finding your romper room MMO somewhere else.

[Strakeln]

DDO (D&D) is not meant as a PvP game and I think the founders meant it that way as the game is mainly designed around questing not PvP.
Call me silly, but if the devs are going to spend time developing something, why not do it right? It makes sense that a key ability of a class should work in PvP.

Why does everything have to be half-assed around here?

[farbtonwolf]

Ok lets look at this a bit differently. Players can see other players in the game. It doesn't matter if your in an adventure in the market place or in a pvp tavern. We can see each other if were sneaking, invisible, dead, or doing the shadow walk. This is to help players. Now if you prefer that when one is invisible or in sneak mode that players cannot see them then it will have to affect the rest of the game. If I cannot see you then I cannot heal you, buff you, or ress your corpse. Turbine did what it need so we could find you.

[Thrudh]

omg y do u guys keep rspnding 2 an illiterate troll??

[wamjratl1]

omg why doesn't invisibility work on the forums? what's the point if we keep seeing the same post over and over again.

[Tyndaleon]

omg this thread is full of win (and laughs)

[Timjc86]

A solid solution for both PvP and PvE is to implement a method for rogues to bypass certain amounts of fortification.

This would allow those so inclined to PvP to some degree of potency and would also eliminate the need for REALLY nasty traps in undead-ridden dungeons just so that parties will feel the need to carry along a rogue. It's fine for some creatures to be more difficult for rogues to defeat that others, but to entirely negate the source of the majority of a rogue's damage is just mean.

I had a nice thread going about that once upon a time - I may try to dig it up again some day soon.

[EKKM]

A solid solution for both PvP and PvE is to implement a method for rogues to bypass certain amounts of fortification.

This would allow those so inclined to PvP to some degree of potency and would also eliminate the need for REALLY nasty traps in undead-ridden dungeons just so that parties will feel the need to carry along a rogue. It's fine for some creatures to be more difficult for rogues to defeat that others, but to entirely negate the source of the majority of a rogue's damage is just mean.

I had a nice thread going about that once upon a time - I may try to dig it up again some day soon.

But then the forums would be filled with:

omg but the problem is why traps kill me? i see that r in teh game to me but i just want 2 swing sword & pwn orks so what the point of traps?

[TommyBoy]

hmm i play i have 4 lvl and now i dont see any reason to play.. quest more quest even more quest
0 events llike defend city atack castle
0 pvp
0 lags
its a wierd game

Not many people I would say this to, but since you reposted the same quest a bunch of times even after it was clearly answered I'll supply you the correct solution.

1 uninstalled ddo (or better yet get someone who can think to do it for you)
2 Install brainless EQ clone (I suggest WOW)
3 and this is most important; never come back

[shark_byte]

Not many people I would say this to, but since you reposted the same quest a bunch of times even after it was clearly answered I'll supply you the correct solution.

1 uninstalled ddo (or better yet get someone who can think to do it for you)
2 Install brainless EQ clone (I suggest WOW)
3 and this is most important; never come back

This definately wins!

[Falco_Easts]

omg Why Doesn't Invisibility Work On The Forums? What's The Point If We Keep Seeing The Same Post Over And Over Again.

Lol +1