Hello

[Ronfar]

I'm brand new to this and was playing around and researching paladins and made this build, was curious if someone could point out if i made any major flaws or something...


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Valedario
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(7 Fighter \ 11 Paladin \ 2 Rogue)
Hit Points: 334
Spell Points: 180
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 27
Reflex: 21
Will: 24

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Stats Modified Stats
Abilities (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 25
Dexterity 10 16
Constitution 12 16
Intelligence 8 12
Wisdom 14 18
Charisma 14 22

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 9
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 9
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 9
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 9
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 9
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 9
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 20
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 0 3
Bluff 2 6
Concentration 2 6
Diplomacy 2 14
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 2 6
Heal 5 15
Hide 0 3
Intimidate 2 23
Jump 3 9
Listen 2 4
Move Silently 0 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 1
Search -1 16
Spot 2 7
Swim 3 7
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device 4 13

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded
Feat: (Human Bonus) Iron Will


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Great Fortitude


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 15 (Fighter)


Level 16 (Fighter)


Level 17 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 20 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate II
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I




Any advice is appreciated :P

[Jonny_D]

The basic premise of the build is ok. Just a few things that only experience could teach you.
You dont need to take all of the saving throw Feats, Paladins generally have the best saving throws in the game so those are over kill.

Take rogue at first level so you can max UMD, it is the most useful skill in the game. Drop your wisdom to 8 and increase your dex and int. try and get an Int of 11 so you can eat a +2 int tome and get combat expertease, if you are going intimitank you need AC to back it up. Remember rogue invasion doesnt work if you are wearing heavy armor so your dex it to low at 10 you need a dex of atleast 22 in order to get full benefit from mithril breastplate.

Also I would drop fighter 7 and take Paladin 12 you lose fighter armor mastery 2 but can gain much more benefit from taking Defender of Siberys2 and your dex is too low to make full use of it anyways. You will need to change some feats around for this, but the important ones for you will be Improved crit, Combat expertease, SF Intimidate and Bull Headed. The Presige enhancements you need to look at are Defender of Siberys and Stalwart Defender

I recommend taking the Human Deneith dragonmark, it gives a bonus to intim, and allows you to take more intim enhancements.

Look into some of this and then post again. There are lots of good builders and builds posted on the Paladin forums. I especially recommend looking up Dworkin of Amber's Holy avenger build and his general Paladin thread. Also Cashiry recently posted a similar build.

[William_the_Bat]

I agree with most of the above.

You list a lot of tomes in your build, if you have a lot of resources to throw at a new character, great, but in general they are pretty expensive to obtain. I don't know anything about your other characters, maybe you have bank tabs full of +2 tomes, if you are like most people, you'll have to work hard to get more than a couple of those.

Edit: just re-read your post, you say you are new... don't count on +2 tomes, and keep in mind even +1 tomes are expensive, though you can buy them in the DDO store. That means int 12 if you want combat expertise after a +1 tome (it'll greatly help your AC when using intimidate)

Paladins in general are very hard to build, equip, and play. They can be a lot of fun, and very rewarding when your high defenses let you save the party, but they take a lot of work to get right.

[FluffyCalico]

Why would you wait til 3 to use the int tome? Get a level 1 int tome off the AH and use it at 1.

[Matuse]

Force Of Personality is an especially bad feat, since you have the same wis and cha scores...it literally will not do anything.

[FluffyCalico]

Force Of Personality is ...

For sorcs not pallys

[Ronfar]

Thanks for the help made a new version...


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.10
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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(6 Fighter \ 12 Paladin \ 2 Rogue)
Hit Points: 314
Spell Points: 136
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 21
Will: 16

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Stats Modified Stats
Abilities (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 14 22
Dexterity 14 18
Constitution 12 12
Intelligence 11 12
Wisdom 11 12
Charisma 14 18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 4
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 8
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 2 6
Bluff 2 4
Concentration 1 7
Diplomacy 2 12
Disable Device 5 7
Haggle 4 6
Heal 1 13
Hide 2 4
Intimidate 6 22
Jump 6 14
Listen 5 7
Move Silently 2 4
Open Lock 6 9
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 1
Search 5 13
Spot 5 10
Swim 4 12
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device 6 21

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Spot


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Sentinel


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Critical
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Dexterity I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Paladin Item Defense I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV

[Matuse]

Why would you wait til 3 to use the int tome? Get a level 1 int tome off the AH and use it at 1.

AFAIK, +1 tomes have a minimum level of 3 to use now, just like +2s are min level 7.

Level 3 is also when they show up in the Store to buy with turbine points.