Outfitting a Holy Avenger

[Dworkin_of_Amber]

Ok, so I have been so busy with new content, running up new toons, and everything else, that I have gotten way behind on the new gear and it's possibilities.

So, I want a little help in trying to (re)outfit my Holy Avenger.
He is at L17 atm, with 12 Pal / 2 Rog / 3 Fgt... with plans to go 14/2/3, and I am still undecided on the last level.

So here is where I need help... I need to re-do his items (and craft a mess of Green Steel too)... so I want some input/help in the ultimate loadout for Benedict. I have some decent gear already, but I want to assume that I can grind for most everything.

ASSUMPTIONS:
-Keep Green Steel to 1 Item (plan for a second, but only design for one now)
-All other Raid Loot is fair game (yes, even the Abbot)
-+1 and +2 Tomes are fine. +3, as they are random, are not
-Feat changes are fair game

END GOALS:
-No Fail on Heal Scrolls
-Good DPS in Sword-and-Board Mode
-Viable character
-Weapon Selection remains primarily Khopesh (but not exclusively)

So, with that... I need your help. Plan the "Perfect" gear set for Benedict, with whatever GS weapons (Min II), and 1 GS Item, and any other Raid/Static/Random loot.


Benedict as he stands today:

Base Stats (Remember he was rolled in Mod 3 days)
STR: 17 + 4 (Levels) + 2 (Tome) + 1 (Fighter) + 6 (Item) = 30 (+10)
DEX: 13 + 1 (Tome) + 1 (Rogue) + 1 (Human) + 6 (Item) = 22 (+6)
CON: 11 + 1 (Tome) + 6 (Item) = 18 (+4)
INT: 8 + 3 (Tome) = 11 (+1)
WIS: 9 + 3 (Tome) + 3 (Item) = 15 (+2)
CHA: 16 + 2 (Tome) + 1 (Paladin) + 1 (Human) + 6 (Item) = 26 (+8)

Gear of Note (This is not everything, but important things to know that I have):
Shield: +5 Mithral Tower Shield
Goggles: Intricate Field Optics
Trinket: Head of Good Fortune
Gloves: Seven-Fingered Gloves
Ring: Chattering Ring
Armor: +5 Blueshine Mithral Breastplate
Necklace: UWA w/ Protection +5

Feats include:
Dragonmark of Passage I + II (Expeditious Retreat + DDoor)
Skill Focus: UMD
Khopesh

BAC: 52
BAC + DoS II Defensive Stance = 55

[Dworkin_of_Amber]

And to help, I will take a 1st shot at this to get things going... and see what everyone else thinks is better:


Goggles: Tharne's Goggles (Sandstorm Goggles)
Helm: Mineral II (+45 HP, +6 Con Skills, +5 Protection, Heavy Fort)
Necklace: Lorrik's?
Trinket: Bloodstone / Head of Good Fortune / Mummified Bat
Cloak: +6 Charisma
Belt: Vorne's (+6 CON, GFL, Occult Slayer - +2 Except Will & Reflex, SR22)
Gloves: +6 Dex / Seven-Fingered Gloves (Vile Blasphemy)
Boots: +30% Striders
Bracers: Chaosguarde
Ring: Chattering Ring
Ring: Gnawed (+6 STR, +1 Except CON, Occult Slayer - +2 Except Will & Reflex, SR22) with +4 Insight AC or +2 Except CON Upgrade
Shield: Levik's Defender
Weapon: Mineral II Khopesh (Acid, Good Burst, Acid Blast)


Not sure on the Necklace... I think that would be targetted spot for a 2nd GS item.
Vile Blasphemy might be a good replacement for 7-Fingered... yes +2 less UMD, but I shouldn't need the +2 at L20.

But I am probably missing something.

One thing to remember, I am only max of 15 Pal, so no Tier 3 bonus

[Jonny_D]

First of all Dworkin I highly recommend gettng the second GS: item neg (+1int skills, wiz 6); pos (+2 cha skills sp 50 (wisdom +6); pos (+3 cha skills sp 100)



Armor: BP of Vol (+5 mith BP +4 dex) you arent using all of your 22 dex so no need for +6 frees up your gloves for perma 7 fingered ect

Gloves: 7 fingered/Spectral Glovess/Backstabbers gloves

Goggles: Tharne's Goggles (Sandstorm Goggles)

Helm: Mineral II (+45 HP, +6 Con Skills, +5 Protection, Heavy Fort)

Necklace: Lorrik's or GS as mentioned

Trinket: Bloodstone / Head of Good Fortune / Mummified Bat

Cloak: +6 Charisma

Belt: Vorne's (+6 CON, GFL, Occult Slayer - +2 Except Will & Reflex, SR22)

Boots: +30% Striders/Boots of Anchoring

Bracers: Chaosguarde

Ring: Chattering Ring

Ring: Gnawed (+6 STR, +1 Except CON, Occult Slayer - +2 Except Will & Reflex,
SR22) +2 Except CON Upgrade/ +4 insight AC (get 2 :))

Shield: Levik's Defender

Weapon: Mineral II Khopesh (Acid, Good Burst, +4 insight AC) acid blast is garbage imo

[Dworkin_of_Amber]

First of all Dworkin I highly recommend gettng the second GS: item neg (+1int skills, wiz 6); pos (+2 cha skills sp 50 (wisdom +6); pos (+3 cha skills sp 100)

Yeah, I agree that a Neg/Pos/Pos item like that is definately important



Armor: BP of Vol (+5 mith BP +4 dex) you arent using all of your 22 dex so no need for +6 frees up your gloves for perma 7 fingered ect

Actually, I am.
+5 Mithral Breastplate MDB: 5 + 1 (FAM 1 from Fighter 3) = MDB: 6
+5 Mithral Tower Shield/Levik's MDB: 4 + 2 (Defender of Siberys II) = MDB: 6


Gloves: 7 fingered/Spectral Glovess/Backstabbers gloves

I am thinking that with +5 Cha Skills from 2nd GS Item and increases for leveling, that I might not need full-time 7-Fingered.


Goggles: Tharne's Goggles (Sandstorm Goggles)

Helm: Mineral II (+45 HP, +6 Con Skills, +5 Protection, Heavy Fort)

Necklace: Lorrik's or GS as mentioned

Trinket: Bloodstone / Head of Good Fortune / Mummified Bat

Cloak: +6 Charisma

Belt: Vorne's (+6 CON, GFL, Occult Slayer - +2 Except Will & Reflex, SR22)

Boots: +30% Striders/Boots of Anchoring

Bracers: Chaosguarde

Ring: Chattering Ring

Ring: Gnawed (+6 STR, +1 Except CON, Occult Slayer - +2 Except Will & Reflex,
SR22) +2 Except CON Upgrade/ +4 insight AC (get 2 :))

Ohh.. hadn't thought of getting 2!


Shield: Levik's Defender

Weapon: Mineral II Khopesh (Acid, Good Burst, +4 insight AC) acid blast is garbage imo
Really? I thought the damage would be decent... well, that's why I am asking.

So overall, you think I'm mostly on-track for the gear? I figured to get some flack for Gnawed set for the SR 22, but I see it as yet one more layer of defense for my Evasion Paladin

[cm2_supernova]

Okay...here is what Im thinkin for your loot...depending on what your other levels are...Im assuming XX pally\2 rogue\2 fighter

Head: Minos Legens - Heavy Fort + 20 HP
Neck: Shintao Chord (+6 Con, Concentration +15)
Trinket: Littany (+1 to damage and +1 to all stats, -5 hp)
Cloak: Greensteel (+45 hp, Air II [+6 Cha skills, haste clicky, Air Gaurd])
Belt: Purging the Pantheon (Protection +5)
Ring1: Chattering
Ring2: Shintao Ring (Wis +6, Exeptional Str +1, +2 Exceptional Con, +2 Hit\Dam set bonus)
Gloves: Dex, swap for 7 Fingered gloves when UMDing (if your UMD is high enough consider Wreched Twilight, +6 Dex +3 UMD)
Boots: Swappable as needed (Striders, FS Greaves, etc)
Bracers: Leviks Bracers (Str +6, 20% healing amp, Leviks set)
Armor: DT Leather (Armor + MDB = 15 [same as Hound MBP])(Resist +5, Charisma +6, Leviks Defender)
Shield: Leviks Shield (+5 MTS, Leviks set, Sonic Gaurd)
Goggles: Thranes

That would put your stats at:

STR: 17 + 4 levels + 2 tome +1 fighter +1 Littany +1 Exceptional +6 item = 32
DEX 13 + 2 Tome + 1 Rogue + 1 Human + 6 item +1 Littany= 24 (MDB +7)
CON: 11 + 2 Tome + 6 Item +1 Littany +2 Exceptional= 22
INT: 8 + 3 Tome +1 Littany = 12
WIS: 9 + 2 Tome + 6 Item +1 Littany = 18
CHA: 16 + 2 Tome + 1 Paladin + 1 Human + 1 Littany +6 Item = 27

(Note: Would need +2 Dex, Wis, Con Tomes)

As far as a green steel weapon:

I would go Mineral II with Acid Blast on your Tier 3 since you are already getting exceptional STR and CON from your ring.

Think I got everything...although Im sure there is room for improvement :)

[Dworkin_of_Amber]

Updated my own stats... forgot I got a +3 WIS Tome for 20th Reaver.

[Dworkin_of_Amber]

Okay...here is what Im thinkin for your loot...depending on what your other levels are...Im assuming XX pally\2 rogue\2 fighter

Head: Minos Legens - Heavy Fort + 20 HP
Neck: Shintao Chord (+6 Con, Concentration +15)
Why Shintao set? I don't need the Concentration?

Trinket: Littany (+1 to damage and +1 to all stats, -5 hp)
Good Point... added for consideration

Cloak: Greensteel (+45 hp, Air II [+6 Cha skills, haste clicky, Air Gaurd])
Belt: Purging the Pantheon (Protection +5)
Ring1: Chattering
Ring2: Shintao Ring (Wis +6, Exeptional Str +1, +2 Exceptional Con, +2 Hit\Dam set bonus)
Gloves: Dex, swap for 7 Fingered gloves when UMDing (if your UMD is high enough consider Wreched Twilight, +6 Dex +3 UMD)
Boots: Swappable as needed (Striders, FS Greaves, etc)
Bracers: Leviks Bracers (Str +6, 20% healing amp, Leviks set)
-2 AC for Chaosguarde, +1 AC for Levik's III = Net -1 AC
Armor: DT Leather (Armor + MDB = 15 [same as Hound MBP])(Resist +5, Charisma +6, Leviks Defender)[/quote]
Problem: I lose 1 AC doing that. Right now with +5 MBP (10 AC, 5 MDB) + FAM 1 = 6 MDB = 16 AC total.
DT Leather = 8 AC + 7 MDB = 15 AC.
= -1 AC (=2 AC total)

Resist +5 is overkill. I basically only fail on a 1 anyways.

Shield: Leviks Shield (+5 MTS, Leviks set, Sonic Gaurd)
Goggles: Thranes

That would put your stats at:

STR: 17 + 4 levels + 2 tome +1 fighter +1 Littany +1 Exceptional +6 item = 32
DEX 13 + 2 Tome + 1 Rogue + 1 Human + 6 item +1 Littany= 24 (MDB +7)
CON: 11 + 2 Tome + 6 Item +1 Littany +2 Exceptional= 22
INT: 8 + 3 Tome +1 Littany = 12
WIS: 9 + 2 Tome + 6 Item +1 Littany = 18
CHA: 16 + 2 Tome + 1 Paladin + 1 Human + 1 Littany +6 Item = 27

(Note: Would need +2 Dex, Wis, Con Tomes)

As far as a green steel weapon:

I would go Mineral II with Acid Blast on your Tier 3 since you are already getting exceptional STR and CON from your ring.

Think I got everything...although Im sure there is room for improvement :)

Some good thoughts, but is adding a +2 Tome in Dex and getting -2 AC out of the deal worth the minimal gains elsewhere?

[cm2_supernova]

Why Shintao set? I don't need the Concentration?


For the +2 to hit and +2 to damage stacking set bonus


-2 AC for Chaosguarde, +1 AC for Levik's III = Net -1 AC


True the -1 net AC is there for the chaosgaurd to DT leather swap...but the AC is there all the time. If you use another weapon other than your green steel whatever (including the paladin holy sword which is a real perk for the class) you lose the 4 insight AC.

Additionally, you put your STR item on your bracers which free a ring\belt slot for other items. (+3 Dodge to AC, +2 to hit & +2 to Damage or +4 Sneak Attack damage, Id trade any of them for 1 point of AC)



Problem: I lose 1 AC doing that. Right now with +5 MBP (10 AC, 5 MDB) + FAM 1 = 6 MDB = 16 AC total.
DT Leather = 8 AC + 7 MDB = 15 AC.
= -1 AC (=2 AC total)


Fair enough...but you are still missing out on MDB by using a mithral tower shield. The way Im looking at your AC numbers, and correct me if Im wrong on this is:

10 Base
10 MBP
5 Dex (Limited by Tower Shield)
9 Shield
5 Prot
3 Chattering
1 Dodge
4 Aura
4 Insight
_______

51...63 with a haste, recitation, full BS, and AC song

Now if you subtract 2 from that AC you'll end up with a 61 or 10% miss chance(not that much of a difference) and you gain:

+8 Saves (resist + cha)
+6 Cha (+3 to UMD)
1d6 Sonic Gaurd
+2 hit and Damage (Shinto Ring)
+4 to hit +6 damage and 10% miss chance (makes up for the -2 AC) from the Twilight


Resist +5 is overkill. I basically only fail on a 1 anyways


Saves at end game are sitting low-mid 30s...I think the disintigrate in ToD on normal is about 35.

Looking at your saves:

Paladin Levels:
9/4/4

Rogue levels:
0/3/0

Fighter Levels:
3/1/1

Stats:
6/7/4

Cha:
6/6/6

GH:
4/4/4

Total without the +5 Resist and +3 Charisma from the proposed DT.

28/22/19

Compared to:

36/30/27 - In my opinion defintely not overkill...even if you factor in a full pally aura it still needs help, especially in the Reflex department.


Again...please correct me if any of my numbers are wrong, Im just kinda throwing these together as best as I can remember.



Some good thoughts, but is adding a +2 Tome in Dex and getting -2 AC out of the deal worth the minimal gains elsewhere?


In my opinion...yes :)

[Dworkin_of_Amber]

Ok, how about this plan:


Goggles: Tharne’s Goggles - Sneak Attack Bonus +5, True Seeing, Search +15, Spot +15
Helm: Mineral II Helm - +45 Hit Points, +6 Constitution Skills, Stoneskin (2/day), +5 Protection, Heavy Fortification
Necklace: Shintao Cord - Constitution +6, Concentration +15
Trinket: Litany of the Dead - Litany of the Dead - Ability Bonus, Taint of Evil, Litany of the Dead - Combat Bonus
Cloak: Aspect of Lightning II Cloak – Wizardry VI, +150 Spell Points, +6 Charisma Skills, Chain Lightning (2/day), Lightning Guard
Belt: Belt of Greater False Life
Gloves: Vile Blasphemy - Dexterity +6, Use Magic Device +3
Boots: Striding +30% / Boots of Anchoring
Bracers: Levik's Bracers - Healing Amplification 20%, Strength +6
Ring: Kyosho Ring - Wisdom +6, Exceptional Strength +1, Shintao Monk Bonus: +2 Exceptional Hit & Damage, Incredible Potential: +2 Exceptional Dexterity
Ring: Chattering Ring - Spot +13, Dodge Bonus +3, Move Silently -10
Shield: Leviks's Defender - Healer's Bounty, Sonic Guard
Armor: Dragontouched Leather Armor - 8 Armor, 7 MDB, Resistance +5, Charisma +6, Levik’s Defender
Weapon: Mineral II Khopesh (Acid, Good Burst, Acid Blast)


STR: 17 + 5 (Levels) + 2 (Tome) + 1 (Fighter) + 6 (Item) +1 (Litany) = 32 (+11)
DEX: 13 + 1 (Tome) + 1 (Rogue) + 2 (Exceptional) + 6 (Item) +1 (Litany) = 24 (+7)
CON: 11 + 1 (Tome) + 1 (Human) + 6 (Item) +1 (Litany) = 20 (+5)
INT: 8 + 3 (Tome) +1 (Litany) = 12 (+2)
WIS: 9 + 3 (Tome) + 6 (Item) +1 (Litany) = 19 (+4)
CHA: 16 + 2 (Tome) + 2 (Paladin) + 1 (Human) + 6 (Item) +1 (Litany) = 28 (+9)

Required Enhancements:
·Fighter:
oTower Shield Mastery I
oStrength I
·Paladin:
oDefender of Siberys II
oCharisma II
·Human
oAdaptability I – Constitution
oAdaptability II – Charisma

AC:
10 – Base
8 – Dragontouched Leather Armor
7 – Dexterity
9 – Levik’s Defender (MDB 4 + 2 (DoS II) + 1 (FTSM I)
5 – Protection +5
3 – Chattering Ring
1 – Dodge Feat
5 – Paladin Aura
5 – Insight (Levik’s Set)
2 – Alchemical Rituals
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55 “Around Town” AC
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3 – Defender of Syberis II Defensive Stance
2 – Defensive Fighting
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60 Solo BAC
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5 – Ranger’s Barkskin
1 – Haste
2 – Recitation
4 – Inspire Heroics
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72 Raid Buffed AC

Saves:
9/5/5 – Paladin 15 Base
0/3/0 – Rogue 2 Base
3/1/1 – Fighter 3 Base
5/7/4 – Stat Bonuses
9/9/9 – Divine Grace
4/4/4 – Greater Heroism
5/5/5 – Resistance +5 (DT)
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35 / 34 / 28

UMD:
23 – Ranks
9 – Charisma
3 – Skill Focus: UMD
6 – Exceptional Bonus (GS)
4 – Greater Heroism
3 – Vile Blasphemy
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48 UMD

[cm2_supernova]

Ok, how about this plan:


UMD:
23 – Ranks
9 – Charisma
3 – Skill Focus: UMD
6 – Exceptional Bonus (GS)
4 – Greater Heroism
3 – Vile Blasphemy
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48 UMD

I like everything except for the SF:UMD. I dont think there is much you are going to be able to do with a 48 UMD that you cant do with a 45. Paladins are short on feats anyway so I would reccomend something more useful...however with out seeing your feat list I cant be more specific.

Also, it might be a little more cost effective for you to just go Air II on your Cloak...same +6 to CHA skills, 3xHaste clicky, and the Air Gaurd (chance to get a stacking haste and\or knock down an opponant). Just a thought. :)

[Dworkin_of_Amber]

I like everything except for the SF:UMD. I dont think there is much you are going to be able to do with a 48 UMD that you cant do with a 45. Paladins are short on feats anyway so I would reccomend something more useful...however with out seeing your feat list I cant be more specific.

Also, it might be a little more cost effective for you to just go Air II on your Cloak...same +6 to CHA skills, 3xHaste clicky, and the Air Gaurd (chance to get a stacking haste and\or knock down an opponant). Just a thought. :)

Already have SF:UMD.
I guess I could swap it out...