suspicious stereo typing by the moderators

[foxx]

anyone else notice stereo typing <like the cops do> to give infrcations on posts that may or may not inflect truth pertaining to substandard business ethics or other things related to short commings that seem to be taken persoanlly by what we would call here in the great USA an infringemnet of the 1st amendment,.

and do you see where or why this post would be against any thing in the eula, odds are it will get removed.

[Fenrisulven6]

Its kinda like a private club - your free speech rights are limited. They can do whatever they want, as you're free to leave the forums if you don't like it.

And I'm betting they can remove any post they choose, regardless of whether or not its against the EULA.

Sorry, not siding against you, just laying out the facts.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

generally in any forum posts attacking mods are subject for deletion.

And you are ill informed if you believe you have first ammendment rights in a private forum

[totmacher]

lol you have a red bar

[foxx]

generally in any forum posts attacking mods are subject for deletion.

And you are ill informed if you believe you have first ammendment rights in a private forum

a direct attack with names and what have you i could see,

an no i'm totaly familler with communism, and the lack of rights. that go with it.

thought i left china behind 400 years ago .

[Freeman]

Its kinda like a private club - your free speech rights don't apply on the forums.

That's closer to it there. You(Referring to the OP here, not Fenri) can say anything you want, but if they don't like it, they can delete it and kick you out. On the other hand, if a moderator shows up at your house and insults your mother, feel free to kick them out as well. You can't stop someone from saying something, but that doesn't mean you have to provide them a place to say it.

[foxx]

Its kinda like a private club - your free speech rights are limited. They can do whatever they want, as you're free to leave the forums if you don't like it.

And I'm betting they can remove any post they choose, regardless of whether or not its against the EULA.

Sorry, not siding against you, just laying out the facts.


no offense taken, i just see a serious problem with making a set of rules , and then ignoring them when something prix the thin skin.

sometimes the truth hurts, to grow is human, to not is alien.

[Fenrisulven6]

a direct attack with names and what have you i could see,

Doesn't really matter what you see, its not your call, its theirs.

And the China/communism equivalence is a bit much.

I'm not going to get into an arguement with you. I've been a player and a mod [its not fun].

You just have to accept that they will make some calls you think are bogus... and then move on. Its not worth getting wrapped around the axle.

Besides, you'll lose. And just get more frustrated. Leave it.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

a direct attack with names and what have you i could see,

Thats not even english, what are you trying to say?



an no i'm totaly familler with communism, and the lack of rights. that go with it.

thought i left china behind 400 years ago .

You are also not familiar with the US constitution. 1st amendment does not apply in private media, it is designed to protect you from government oppression.

[foxx]

lol you have a red bar


soon no bar et all.
and that's not a prob. i would rather commincate openly and freely
in an open usenet forum full of trolls and flamers, then have mod's with thin skins
that can't handle even the slightest bit of stinging truth.

turbine seems to promote that sort of employee.
maybe if the upper management picked a stronger sort of employee we could get back some players and see a deadline met.

[foxx]

Doesn't really matter what you see, its not your call, its theirs.

And the China/communism equivalence is a bit much.

I'm not going to get into an arguement with you. I've been a player and a mod [its not fun].



Besides, you'll lose. And just get more frustrated. Leave it.

anytime you moderate it's a form of communism, simple as that,
it's either free speech or it's not.

that equates to USA free speech OR any country thats not, which all of those are communisitic.

it's not up for debate, cuz there is not one to be made.

[Freeman]

...then have mod's with thin skins

Pot, meet kettle...

[foxx]

You are also not familiar with the US constitution. 1st amendment does not apply in private media, it is designed to protect you from government oppression.[/QUOTE]


dude, i obviously know what the diff is, prolly been posting on forums private and open long before any of these moderators hit their first keystroke.

[Arnya]

anytime you moderate it's a form of communism, simple as that,
it's either free speech or it's not.

that equates to USA free speech OR any country thats not, which all of those are communisitic.

it's not up for debate, cuz there is not one to be made.

...Um, everyone moderating everyone else is communism - see your red bar for details :)

Forum mods are more socialist - deciding what is best for us based upon their own interpretation of the 'rules'.

[foxx]

Pot, meet kettle...


pretty weak.
I would gladly debate openly with any mod and nvr. try to supress their point, so i think maybe you missed the whole ideal.

[Freeman]

dude, i obviously know what the diff is, prolly been posting on forums private and open long before any of these moderators hit their first keystroke.


...by what we would call here in the great USA an infringemnet of the 1st amendment,.

You know what the difference is, yet you think this is an infringement of the first amendment? One of these statements doesn't add up...

[foxx]

...Um, everyone moderating everyone else is communism - see your red bar for details :)

Forum mods are more socialist - deciding what is best for us based upon their own interpretation of the 'rules'.

lol. at least someone with an open mind AND sense of humor.

+REP TO YOU.
BTW you like my red bar, i can see it in yer type.

[captain1z]

truth is

1- you dont know who is recieving infraction points and have no grounds to call bias
2- threads that speak about the company in a negative way are either locked or deleted. Its their backyard, its their right. Its like a guy camping out on your doorstep telling eveyone who walk by that your a bad person, you'd most likely ask him to move.

Im not saying there isnt a ton of stuff that could be better but they dont have to tolerate it being shoved in their faces repeatedly. Yeah, Xyz is broke, we've told em 100 times. Maybe they cant,wont or are trying to fix it but I dont expect them to leave all the negative posts standing as it looks bad to possible customers and could make their financial situation much worse.

[foxx]

You know what the difference is, yet you think this is an infringement of the first amendment? One of these statements doesn't add up...


the one that doesn't add up, is where they set a guidline, and then ignore it.

[captain1z]

lol. at least someone with an open mind AND sense of humor.

+REP TO YOU.
BTW you like my red bar, i can see it in yer type.


wow in the 2 mins it took me to respond, your red bar is now gone and replaced by a gray one.

oh well, life goes on.

[Freeman]

the one that doesn't add up, is where they set a guidline, and then ignore it.

And the First Amendment factors into this how again? That's the part I still can't quite follow logically.

[foxx]

truth is

1- you dont know who is recieving infraction points and have no grounds to call bias
2- threads that speak about the company in a negative way are either locked or deleted. Its their backyard, its their right. Its like a guy camping out on your doorstep telling eveyone who walk by that your a bad person, you'd most likely ask him to move.

Im not saying there isnt a ton of stuff that could be better but they dont have to tolerate it being shoved in their faces repeatedly. Yeah, Xyz is broke, we've told em 100 times. Maybe they cant,wont or are trying to fix it but I dont expect them to leave all the negative posts standing as it looks bad to possible customers and could make their financial situation much worse.


1 ya I do know alot of people laying and alot of who does and does not get infractions.

2 i agree with them locking and Or removing posts that directly violate their guidlines.

3 if they don't want feed back they shouldn't ask for it,

4 fix it and be somebody , but don't step on the customer.
nvr good bizz.

[captain1z]

the one that doesn't add up, is where they set a guidline, and then ignore it.

support your arguement ............. point out threads that are negative and critical of turbine and still open.

[EKKM]

If you think the owners of a private forum moderating or censoring the posts on their personal property is communism than you don't understand what communism/oppression is.

If someone spray-paints graffiti on your home are you going to wash it off or leave it up to protect "their freedom of expression"?

The right to free speech in a democratic country is essential to a just society. However, the sense of entitlement that some people associate it with does not exist.

Look at this moron for instance:

"I'm ready to take this all the way to the Supreme Court," Mr. Strazzullo said. "Our Founding Fathers wrote 'The Federalist Papers' under pseudonyms. Inherent in the First Amendment is the right to speak anonymously. Shouldn't that right extend to the new public square of the Internet?"

http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/story.html?id=1924169

I'm not a US citizen, but I'm pretty sure the word "anonymous" isn't in the first amendment or in any other countries free speech rights.

Sorry to derail the thread but people feeling their entitled to rights that don't exist really ****es me off.

[foxx]

And the First Amendment factors into this how again? That's the part I still can't quite follow logically.


it's just a general point dude, yes it's a semi private forum.
yes it's the USA where we fought and died for free speech. at least my forfathers did. not sure where yer from,

making the rules as you go just stinks of comminisim and or weak mindedness.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

anytime you moderate it's a form of communism, simple as that,
it's either free speech or it's not.

that equates to USA free speech OR any country thats not, which all of those are communisitic.

it's not up for debate, cuz there is not one to be made.

Communisim has nothing to do with censorship, it is a form of selecting a government and ownership of key assets.

[Arnya]

wow in the 2 mins it took me to respond, your red bar is now gone and replaced by a gray one.

oh well, life goes on.


Communism at its finest :)

[Lorien_the_First_One]

dude, i obviously know what the diff is, prolly been posting on forums private and open long before any of these moderators hit their first keystroke.

They why do you keep mistating things. Your first ammendment rights are not infringed if in a privately owned forum they eliminate speach that they find dista****l or inappropriate.

[Korvek]

anytime you moderate it's a form of communism, simple as that,
it's either free speech or it's not.

that equates to USA free speech OR any country thats not, which all of those are communisitic.

it's not up for debate, cuz there is not one to be made.

Keep in mind that under your apparent definition of communism, the United States is a communist country.

[foxx]

If you think the owners of a private forum moderating or censoring the posts on their personal property is communism than you don't understand what communism/oppression is.

If someone spray-paints graffiti on your home are you going to wash it off or leave it up to protect "their freedom of expression"?

The right to free speech in a democratic country is essential to a just society. However, the sense of entitlement that some people associate it with does not exist.

Look at this moron for instance:

"I'm not a US citizen, but I'm pretty sure the word "anonymous" isn't in the first amendment or in any other countries free speech rights.

Sorry to derail the thread but people feeling their entitled to rights that don't exist really ****es me off.

ya you derailed and crashed
, no one ever said anything about anon.

and ya you don't really get free speech either. read or reread the first again.

btw violating my amendments is indeed a form of communisim. private forum or not.

and it's an obvious act of vandalism to spray paint on my house, skirting around the frings of a very vague set of guidlines in not a blatent act of vandalisim.

here and there a warning of what THEY think your doing wrong would be in order when in fact it's not an obvious violation.

[foxx]

Communisim has nothing to do with censorship, it is a form of selecting a government and ownership of key assets.


ahh incorrect again, sensorship is key in comminism, without it
you breed free thoughts, new ideas that may not be what that governing body wants.

[7-day_Trial_Monkey]

anyone else notice stereo typing <like the cops do> to give infrcations on posts that may or may not inflect truth pertaining to substandard business ethics or other things related to short commings that seem to be taken persoanlly by what we would call here in the great USA an infringemnet of the 1st amendment,.

and do you see where or why this post would be against any thing in the eula, odds are it will get removed.

Go to school little kid, and learn that the 1st ammendment has nothing to do with a forum run by a private company.

[Freeman]

btw violating my amendments is indeed a form of communisim. private forum or not.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I didn't know Congress was running Turbine now. Wow, that bailout was even broader than I thought.

[captain1z]

making the rules as you go just stinks of comminisim and or weak mindedness.


well not to go off point and talk politics but what body makes one set of rules for themselves and never changes them? It doesnt work that way, if it did, you would have to be 21 to buy Ice cream or soda in the U.S. (actually in some states that rule is still on the books but not enforced)

Times change and rules have to change right along side em.

[Thrudh]

making the rules as you go just stinks of comminisim and or weak mindedness.


well not to go off point and talk politics but what body makes one set of rules for themselves and never changes them? It doesnt work that way, if it did, you would have to be 21 to buy Ice cream or soda in the U.S. (actually in some states that rule is still on the books but not enforced)

Heh, not to upstage you captain1z, but the CONSTITUTION itself has been changed as we go. So I guess the U.S. stinks of communism and/or weak-mindedness.

There's no point in arguing with foxx... He's way too close-minded (weak-minded?) to understand the actual first amendment...

[7-day_Trial_Monkey]

it's just a general point dude, yes it's a semi private forum.
yes it's the USA where we fought and died for free speech. at least my forfathers did. not sure where yer from,

making the rules as you go just stinks of comminisim and or weak mindedness.

The only person inventing rules is you. I don't see anything weaker than that going on.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

btw violating my amendments is indeed a form of communisim. private forum or not..

every time you say that you look very foolish. Communism and free speach are not related...or do you think that right wing extremist governments are communist?

[Hokiewa]

ya you derailed and crashed
, no one ever said anything about anon.

and ya you don't really get free speech either. read or reread the first again.

btw violating my amendments is indeed a form of communisim. private forum or not.

and it's an obvious act of vandalism to spray paint on my house, skirting around the frings of a very vague set of guidlines in not a blatent act of vandalisim.

here and there a warning of what THEY think your doing wrong would be in order when in fact it's not an obvious violation.

You obviously know nothing about the Bill of Rights. Your wrong, and I'd teach you why but I'm tired of leading horses to water......where they drown.....

[Freeman]

Ahh, after a hard day at work, there's nothing more entertaining that sitting back with a beer and reading Fail Blog. Oh wait, this is the DDO forum, isn't it...:D

[Lorien_the_First_One]

ahh incorrect again, sensorship is key in comminism, without it
you breed free thoughts, new ideas that may not be what that governing body wants.

I see, so if something is a tool of communism any use of it is communist. So when the US army censors reporters not allowing them to give out current battle plans, that makes the US governmen communist, got it. :rolleyes:

[Recovery]

Ahh, after a hard day at work, there's nothing more entertaining that sitting back with a beer and reading Fail Blog. Oh wait, this is the DDO forum, isn't it...:D

I agree :) why else post a discussion at 7pm knowing it will get closed... cause there is no one to close it till tomorrow morning... more attention :)

[Borror0]

if they don't want feed back they shouldn't ask for it
There is a difference between feedback and lacking respect. You can provide a caustic review of a game without using any insults.

[Patience]

I agree :) why else post a discussion at 7pm knowing it will get closed... cause there is no one to close it till tomorrow morning... more attention :)

I must have mistakenly put my clock ahead by 12 hours. Guess this will just get closed ahead of schedule. :)