Wisdom from experianced players

[Narmolanya]

I have noticed a lot of new players lately. I am sure there will be even more when DDO:EU goes live. Some of these new player will be plain idiots some want to learn how to play the game well. For the latter I thought to start a thread where the experianced players can give tips on good party game play. I wil start out with a few tips.

1. Don't summon a Iron Defender in party unless you check with party first. If the group is on the groud half the time from the grease it will do more harm then good.

2. Don't spread out from party if you can't handle the aggro you may find. Remember this one!

3. Don't aggro something you can handle.

4. Don't expect the healer to continualy cover your stupid mistakes. If you are not sure what you are suppose to be doing ask.

5. Use traps to your advantage. This one is a pet peeve of mine and I find experianced players doing it as well. Why fight 20 mobs and waste half the clerics mana bar healing when you can just run the mobs through a fire trap?

6. Last and most importantly, THIS IS NOT WORLD OF WARCRAFT!!!

[Yurtrus]

1. No matter how well you know the quest be sure to pay attention to the leader and how he/she wants to do the quest.

2. Don't run ahead unless your name has the star next to it

3. Keep your voice chat to a minimum so someone that needs to be heard can be.

4. Keep voice chat clean. Granted people should be wearing a headset but there is always a possibility that while their AFK their kids might throw on the headset cause they know the guild. Unfortunately that is usually when the moron that is not part of the guild starts with the f-bomb over voice chat. There is really no reason to curse and if you must, you might want to seek out a doctor about it.

5. Bring your own **** pots and wands. Don't expect someone else to constantly heal your butt, dispel your butt or pick up your stone.. Eventually if you stop listening to the star your stone might not be picked up. ;)

6. Don't join a group and take 15 minutes to get to the **** quest making 5 or 11 other people wait while you clean out your bank slots. Piking is one thing, but to not even step into the quest cause you know people are impatient and then come in at the end... You know who you are and your behavior is disgusting.

7. Don't whine on the forums, we don't care what you're thinking.. If you are going to post something then make sure you have searched for it first.. We hate having to say the same crapola over a million times.. Use common sense.

8. Re-read what you write a few times before you post. I have noticed lately on the forums that if you inadvertently misspell anything you are considered stupid and grammatically challenged.. You don't want to get on anyone's list ;)

9. Don't respond to posts with: Can I have your stuff?, Hello Welcome. or anything that sounds stupid to you.. You will only end up being the butt end of a long winded ( dead horse ) thread where you are the joke.

10. Eat chicken the other white meat!

[Kale_Hagan]

1. If your cleric does a good job, tip him/her. Even if it's some scrolls, a wand or two, mnem pots, or some plat, TIP YOUR CLERIC.

I don't do this as much as I should, but I try to.

I don't have one, I just think you should tip your clerics. That way we get more people playing them and I won't have to wait as long for a cleric to join whenever I'm going raiding. Kinda selfish, I know.

[kuro_zero]

Play the GAME.

Don't take things personally regardless of how the leader/party members react to what you do. The veterans generally have great advice to give but sometimes come off, shall we say, harsh. Take it in stride and chalk it up as a learning experience on what works and what doesn't.

And some vets can do well taking their own advice. :rolleyes:

[toughguyjoe]

1: Don't take advice from Lists on the forums. Play on your server of choice and learn the game standards that way.

2: HAVE FUN.

/End Thread

[Narmolanya]

1. If your cleric does a good job, tip him/her. Even if it's some scrolls, a wand or two, mnem pots, or some plat, TIP YOUR CLERIC.

I don't do this as much as I should, but I try to.

I don't have one, I just think you should tip your clerics. That way we get more people playing them and I won't have to wait as long for a cleric to join whenever I'm going raiding. Kinda selfish, I know.


/singed

I play alot of clerics or cleric multiclass it gets very expensive. I am leveling pure cleric right now and skipped and PUG for VON 1-4 today because I did not know the players. I am not going to blow tons of Rez scrolls due to bad game play and not be tipped. I will wait till there is a group of players I know or I am level 9 and can Rez from mana. Those players that use lots of expensive cleric resources and give nothing back are the reason why there is always a shortage of clerics available for PUGs.

I don't know how other players feel but it seems a lot cheaper to tip a good cleric and have them group with you again than spend a ton of money on pots.

[Hafeal]

3. Don't aggro something you can handle.

Well said. As an aside, personally, this is more than advice but a motto and creed by which I try to live. I believe in delivering more than promised. Thus, I try to never fail bringing the group more and more creature friends.

:eek::p

[boldarblood]

1: Don't take advice from Lists on the forums. Play on your server of choice and learn the game standards that way.

2: HAVE FUN.

/End Thread

This.

Toughguyjoe said it before I could. Listening to advice on forums is not the best place to learn. We all started new, have fun playing game. If you want advice ask :)

[Kordan]

1. Learn how to use the create a party feature. Set your quest, level range, and a brief note about what you expect from party members.

2. Turn on Push to Talk.

3. Don't be afraid to say you've never run a quest before, most people are willing to help you and forgive any mistakes you make if you are new or new to a quests. If you act like you know everything and make a bunch of mistakes you'll probably get labeled.

4. use CTRL= it locks the icons on your hotbar.. nothing worse than dragging a useful icon off mid-fight.

5. Rogue calls a trap, just stop.. on elite a trap can ruin your day.

6. Be wary of your LOS with the healer.. chances are if he/she can't see you, you won't get healed.

[captain1z]

I follow 2 rules in groups Im unfamiliar with:

- stick fairly close to the leader
and the Pulp Fiction rule
- "Dont do ****, unless someone else does it first" (that way I dont pick up any quest items, open any doors or chests unless someone already has or wants me to)

[Narmolanya]

This.

Toughguyjoe said it before I could. Listening to advice on forums is not the best place to learn. We all started new, have fun playing game. If you want advice ask :)

You two are right better to just group do what you want and then be yelled at by elietist players.

I always help out new players I group with however the need it. If my original post came off as eliteist that was not my intention. We all know there is an unspoken expectation in groups. Maybe it's just because people have been playing so long the don't think about them anymore. I started this post to give new players some guidence not to knock them so why do you knock that?

[LexxCoool]

This.

Toughguyjoe said it before I could. Listening to advice on forums is not the best place to learn. We all started new, have fun playing game. If you want advice ask :)

To add to this take the names off the sigs of people posting thier pet peaves and about gramer and what They think other people should do starting in this thread. These are the people that will take the fun out of the game for you. Remember one thing these also are the ones that will help you with a build question or other game stuff on the forums but in game avoid`em.

[toughguyjoe]

You two are right better to just group do what you want and then be yelled at by elietist players.

I always help out new players I group with however the need it. If my original post came off as eliteist that was not my intention. We all know there is an unspoken expectation in groups. Maybe it's just because people have been playing so long the don't think about them anymore. I started this post to give new players some guidence not to knock them so why do you knock that?


I began playing this game a few years ago, and had capped a toon at level 14 before i ever came to the forums.

That seems to be the norm, however some players might come to the forums and see a long list of things they have to do to behave in a party.

What will 50% of the player base do? They'll read the frist two and say "No one tells me how to play my video game"

I'd rather get these players into groups and talk to them civily and give them advice, which they are free to ignore, rather than write them a small bible on how to play DDO.

Human interaction works alot better than writing a "How to conduct yourself in a PUG manual" in my experience.

Putting up an LFM with a level 1-3 character and having it read "Taking all low level comers, new people most welcome"

Is probably the best way to teach people how to play the game, because then you will get people who WANT to learn.

I plan on doing this on Argonnessen when the MOD drops and I can buy a couple more character slots.

[Missing_Minds]

This.

Toughguyjoe said it before I could. Listening to advice on forums is not the best place to learn. We all started new, have fun playing game. If you want advice ask :)

There are actually two pieces of advice that you SHOULD listen to.

1. Be polite.

2. have fun.

[Hafeal]

There are actually two pieces of advice that you SHOULD listen to.

1. Be polite.

2. have fun.

3. Take your ball and go home if they don't give you the +3 tome that just dropped.





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What?

[Varr]

If your new and looking for advice, ignore tipping the cleric for about six months. Your broke and 95% likely the cleric is an alt of an alt.......screw em.....tell them good job healing, now bugger off your rich. Month seven+ tip your clerics....

[baddax]

If your new and looking for advice, ignore tipping the cleric for about six months. Your broke and 95% likely the cleric is an alt of an alt.......screw em.....tell them good job healing, now bugger off your rich. Month seven+ tip your clerics....

While this may be true it never hurts to ask.
If the cleric starts saying stuff like "Well i dont know if im gonna have enough wands to finish the whole quest" its time to pony up some cash.
Also offering lesser,minor memonics to clerics while leveling never hurts.

[IgorUnchained]

1. Learn how to use the create a party feature. Set your quest, level range, and a brief note about what you expect from party members.

2. Turn on Push to Talk.

3. Don't be afraid to say you've never run a quest before, most people are willing to help you and forgive any mistakes you make if you are new or new to a quests. If you act like you know everything and make a bunch of mistakes you'll probably get labeled.

4. use CTRL= it locks the icons on your hotbar.. nothing worse than dragging a useful icon off mid-fight.

5. Rogue calls a trap, just stop.. on elite a trap can ruin your day.

6. Be wary of your LOS with the healer.. chances are if he/she can't see you, you won't get healed.


This is all great information....I second it.

7. You are responsible for your own heals. Instead of waiting for a cleric to join your party, take a class that can use wands or that has a heal spell. Want to run a fighter or barbarian? Buy plenty of heal potions. Healers are nice, but being able to keep yourself off the floor without someone else's constant hand holding is much nicer.

8. Breaking boxes, disabling traps, finding secret doors, and killing all/most of the mobs in a level will get you more xp. MANY players "zerg" (run through quests), so it is important to know whether you will be going for max xp or you will be trying to keep up with the rest of the party while they sprint through a level. Ask before the quest starts and realize your limitations.

9. Did you take the Two Weapon Fighting feat? How about the Oversized Two Weapon Fighting feat? If not, you might want to reconsider carrying a longsword in each hand!

10. Learn the Auction House. Some things, even the stupid stuff you find in collectible bags, can get you thousands of gp a piece on the auction (while some things that look impressive arent worth much). The best way to make money quickly is to be able to recognize the worth of something you find in the DDO economy.

11. Learn what effects "stack". Usually they do not stack. For instance, if you were to wear a +2 Wisdom helm and a +1 Wisdom neclace, it is only going to recognize the highest item. You will have +2 to your wisdom instead of the +3 if they "stacked". Holding 2 Power III items doesnt get you Power VI...etc.

12. If you are experiencing problems with lag and clipping, go to your graphics section in Options and click the "Detect Optimal Settings" button. That can really help if you arent the kind of person who knows how to fine tune that sort of thing.

13. Have fun and do it your way. Listen to the advice of the people you see in quest who "know more than you do", but dont let them run the quest for you. If you find yourself getting lost, stick close to the healer or the star holder.....they dont get left behind for long usually. Did I mention "have fun"?

[Kale_Hagan]

If your new and looking for advice, ignore tipping the cleric for about six months. Your broke and 95% likely the cleric is an alt of an alt.......screw em.....tell them good job healing, now bugger off your rich. Month seven+ tip your clerics....

Yeah, this is pretty good advice. You're gonna be lucky to be rubbing two coppers together for a while. I should edit mine to read "Tip if you can afford it". Eventually you will be able to.

[boldarblood]

You two are right better to just group do what you want and then be yelled at by elietist players.

I always help out new players I group with however the need it. If my original post came off as eliteist that was not my intention. We all know there is an unspoken expectation in groups. Maybe it's just because people have been playing so long the don't think about them anymore. I started this post to give new players some guidence not to knock them so why do you knock that?

Elitist players yelling are not that elite, they are tards who are clueless. The real elite players are not in pug groups, they are short manning or soloing.


The best advice to give to a new player, Have fun. Learn the game. As you get more comfortable playing branch out and read some of the forums, ask better players.