My raid loot philosophy....

[Rayzorlew]

I was Typing this for another thread that was gone by the time I got done. Hi, Eldun:D
Anyways.............

It's not often, but when I'm in a total pug raid and I pull a bound tome or Raid loot. I kind of have my own little system of doing things:
Example: For argument sake, let us say I pulled a +3-charisma tome on my Barbarian.

1. I see if I can really use it. If so, I eat it. In this case, I go to option 2.

2. I ask who needs a +3-cha tome. Pug raid-loot rolling is stupid, in my opinion. It is my loot, so it is my rules. At this point, I really watch the volunteers, and then I categorize:

***** Pileon's: Those who wouldn't benefit from a +8 tome.....screw them, even if they were on a Sorc. I eat it.

***** Acquaintance: I kind of recognize the name, and I have played with them before.....If they are on someone that in my opinion would benefit from the tome. I might just give it to them. Figuring since I do play with this person from time to time, it may just benefit me in the long run. By making their character stronger....If I feel they are just being greedy (My tome, my opinion). Example: If a Wizzy wanted it ;). I will ask for a trade, maybe a +2 tome I could actually use on some toon.

***** Friend/non-guildie: The acquaintance has no chance. If he thinks he can use it, it is his. If they are a good friend, I will probably get a favor back down the line. It's a karma thing.

***** Guildie: Automatically theirs if they can use it. In my eye's it’s like eating a tome on one of my own characters. I count on this player so I want them as good as they can be.


.....just my 2 cents.

[Bloodhaven]

With raid loot if i can use it i loot it. If i cant use the loot then I will ask in guild " Can anyone use this?" if not then it goes to friends then other pugs.

It's my loot I do what I want with it.

I guess that means i agree with you ;)

[FluffyCalico]

With raid loot I pull if I want it I keep it. If I don't then I give it to someone else or offer for role to those who can make good use of it.
If someone begs or pesters me for it, I give it to anyone but them. If noone else wanted and the person was being a real ass I might leave it in the chest for them to remember what acting that way earned them.

[sirgog]

I don't mind what people do, as long as it's agreed upon beforehand and it's in line with server standards.

That said, Khyber's standards are vastly different to yours. Selling binds-on-acquire loot in a PUG run will get you on blacklists fast on Khyber (unless the raid agreed upon this behaviour beforehand), although people tend to accept trading bound +3 tomes for unbound +2 ones. Our norm is definitely 'if it drops for you you are free to loot it, failing that put it up for roll'

[Thailand_Dan]

I'm not expecting anything to come from this thread, as there are thousands of similar ones on the forum. However, I'll throw in my philosophy on the subject before it spirals downward. If it is something I really need/want, I keep it. If it something I can use, but someone else can obviously benefit from it more, I give them a roll, and i roll as well. For unbound loot, all bets are off. I pulled it, its mine, if its valuable.

Case in point: I've run about 25 reavers on one of my capped sorc in hopes of pulling a +3 CHA tome, and I'm still trying. A few days ago, a +3 CHA tome drops for me on my ranger/rogue. I haven't even eaten a +1 on this toon, so the extra UMD will help a lot. But, how often do I use UMD? Usually only to raise a cleric or group member in emergencies. It'd be nice, but I know how coveted that tome is by the sorc. So, I tell the sorc, "I can use it, but I know you can as well, so I'll roll you for it." I won.

Karma, as you mentioned, finds a way. I'm sure that guy who I let roll will remember that. Some other group members might also remember my generosity. Maybe they won't, but I did it to be nice, and would have gladly handed it over if the other guy won. After all, it's just a game.

[Samadhi]

Edited because I am paranoid...

"Just because you are not paranoid, does not mean they are not watching you."

[muffinlad]

I was Typing this for another thread that was gone by the time I got done. Hi, Eldun:D
Anyways.............

It's not often, but when I'm in a total pug raid and I pull a bound tome or Raid loot. I kind of have my own little system of doing things:
Example: For argument sake, let us say I pulled a +3-charisma tome on my Barbarian.

1. I see if I can really use it. If so, I eat it. In this case, I go to option 2.

2. I ask who needs a +3-cha tome. Pug raid-loot rolling is stupid, in my opinion. It is my loot, so it is my rules. At this point, I really watch the volunteers, and then I categorize:

***** Pileon's: Those who wouldn't benefit from a +8 tome.....screw them, even if they were on a Sorc. I eat it.

***** Acquaintance: I kind of recognize the name, and I have played with them before.....If they are on someone that in my opinion would benefit from the tome. I might just give it to them. Figuring since I do play with this person from time to time, it may just benefit me in the long run. By making their character stronger....If I feel they are just being greedy (My tome, my opinion). Example: If a Wizzy wanted it ;). I will ask for a trade, maybe a +2 tome I could actually use on some toon.

***** Friend/non-guildie: The acquaintance has no chance. If he thinks he can use it, it is his. If they are a good friend, I will probably get a favor back down the line. It's a karma thing.

***** Guildie: Automatically theirs if they can use it. In my eye's it’s like eating a tome on one of my own characters. I count on this player so I want them as good as they can be.


.....just my 2 cents.


Pretty much the same as my own.

I have absolutely stopped allowing rolls for my raid loot that I do not want. I assign it instead. What someone does after that, up to them.

Tomes, I generally eat, no matter if I had a 9 charisma and this takes me to 12....I do it. If I already have it, I assign it to guildies, friends, aquanit. etc.

muffingiftgrift

[Bloodhaven]

If you always give your +3 cha tome to the scorc and your +3 wis tome to the cleric you will never get one for yourself for that +1 to your intim/umd/haggle/ac/will save..

[Memnir]

If it has my name next to it in then it's my loot to allocate how I chose - end of story. I'm a nice guy and will usually hand off something I cannot use, and my criteria on how I hand it off is almost verbatim what Womp listed above.

But at the end of the day, I've got far more pressing things in life to deal with than worry about how other people feel about raid loot that was never theirs in the first place.

[Braegan]

I don't mind what people do, as long as it's agreed upon beforehand and it's in line with server standards.

That said, Khyber's standards are vastly different to yours. Selling binds-on-acquire loot in a PUG run will get you on blacklists fast on Khyber (unless the raid agreed upon this behaviour beforehand), although people tend to accept trading bound +3 tomes for unbound +2 ones. Our norm is definitely 'if it drops for you you are free to loot it, failing that put it up for roll'

I dunno about Kyber being that different than us. Well maybe some of us. :p But as I stated before basically do what you wanna do, but don't be suprised when your azz is left out of a raid because your greedy nature became known and no one wants you on their raid.

[Braegan]

[QUOTE=Memnir;2362491
But at the end of the day, I've got far more pressing things in life to deal with than worry about how other people feel about raid loot that was never theirs in the first place.[/QUOTE]

Mem, you are my bro and I know you will see it as such. But my only interjection if you will is that likewise I don't care that much about a greedy bastage from time to time, but I will be damned if I will let the same greedy bastage into another group so he/she can show their greed again.

[Memnir]

I know it Brae. :) And you know I'm rarely if ever one of them bastages. I just don't let it raise my blood pressure anymore. If someone is a jackass with loot, I just make note and move on with my day. No need to group with them again - but no need for an overt amount of drama and yelling about it, either.

[Kraak]

No need to group with them again - but no need for an overt amount of drama and yelling about it, either.

Word.


Also it gonna happen more frequently in the coming months. And, these issues usually only happen in the Reaver, but when the rings/belts/necklaces hit.....oh lordy.

The one that does really, really gets under my skin is the cleric that loots the madstone boots. Hell if I'll pick them up <again>. "yeah, I'd get first round, but I need to let my madstone rage wear off......anyone have a madstone rod?"

[Fenrisulven6]

That said, Khyber's standards are vastly different to yours. Selling binds-on-acquire loot in a PUG run will get you on blacklists fast on Khyber (unless the raid agreed upon this behaviour beforehand)

Clue me in on why is poor form. Bidding wars devolve into drama?


Karma, as you mentioned, finds a way

No kidding. Ran with two Kyber vets who have moved to my server. They were starting fresh and needed gear. Gave the ranger a rr para scim that my finese couldn't minmax [already have a bow anyways]. Next day out of nowhere a stranger in my pug hands me a rr precious I'd been wanting, unasked for and with no strings attached. Yummy Karma.

[Murgatroyd]

Word.


Also it gonna happen more frequently in the coming months. And, these issues usually only happen in the Reaver, but when the rings/belts/necklaces hit.....oh lordy.

The one that does really, really get under my skin is the cleric that loots the madstone boots. Hell if I'll pick them up <again>. "yeah, I'd get first round, but I need to let my madstone rage wear off......anyone have a madstone rod?"

But those boots have potency 7!! :D
No joke but I've seen a caster justify his reason for rolling on the boots as such.

I think those rings in mod 9 will be an issue...I personally will always want the +6 con ones with the exceptional primary stat for my characters...

In the end, I don't know what your build is, but it's my loot and I decide how it gets handed out.

[RTN]

You guys really watch what everyone does and gets for loot? If I'm in a PUG raid, I figure everyone's loot is their loot to dispose of any way they want to. Why waste my time and energy tracking what other people get or give? If someone offers up stuff for a roll that I need, I'll roll. Otherwise I just recall out because it was never mine to have or decide how to dole out. Life and playing time is too short to worry and stew about stuff like that.

[Thrudh]

I put a lot of raid loot up for roll...

Just recently, I've started evaluating who is rolling though... The other day, I pulled Levik's Tower Shield from Hound... I put it up for roll... but then instead of just giving it to the high roller, I checked him out... He was a pure cleric!

I asked him what he was going to use it for... Was he planning on splashing fighter or taking Tower Shield proficiency at 18 or something? He said he was just rolling for his guildie...

I don't like people rolling for their guild-mates... What do you all think about that practice? Instead I gave the shield to the next highest roll, a fighter...

[Vivanto]

Here's my raid loot philosophy. I pull it, I do whatever I want with it. If you got a problem that I pull a +3 tome I already have and just vendor trash it, feel free to squelch me.

[Thrudh]

Here's my raid loot philosophy. I pull it, I do whatever I want with it. If you got a problem that I pull a +3 tome I already have and just vendor trash it, feel free to squelch me.

I would have a problem with that and I would squelch you... But the truth is, unless you announced it, I'd never know, and I never pay attention to who takes +3 tomes anyway... I assume everyone takes +3 tomes for themselves...

(vendoring a +3 tome is pretty ass-hat move, so yeah I wouldn't want to play with someone like that)

[doppleganger]

The same as others in my case, if I want it, I keep it. Else I offer it to friends first. After that, I directly inquire classes that would benefit the most the item if they got it already/want it, if so they roll on it. Else, general roll.

Just to add a note that sometime, what may look like greed might not be. For example, I would be very tempted to eat a +3 CHA tome on a fighter that had CHA as dump stat, to raise it from 8 to 11, if I intend one day to use Silver Flame Pots to keep him alive in tight situations and dont want to become helpless because of the -10 stat debuf, and I dont want to tie in a slot with an item just to raise that CHA for this single reason.

[doppleganger]

I don't like people rolling for their guild-mates... What do you all think about that practice? Instead I gave the shield to the next highest roll, a fighter...

Yea, I hate that too.

[Vivanto]

I would have a problem with that and I would squelch you... But the truth is, unless you announced it, I'd never know, and I never pay attention to who takes +3 tomes anyway... I assume everyone takes +3 tomes for themselves...

(vendoring a +3 tome is pretty ass-hat move, so yeah I wouldn't want to play with someone like that)

Exactly my point, unless I would say out of spite to annoy everyone in a group, nobody would know if I actually needed it or just took it cause it's mine. Ofcourse, I personally wouldn't do it, nor would I pulle something I can't use, even if I don't have it, but the option is given, and there's nothing anyone can do about it but myself.

Even more importantly, it's none of their friggin' business.

[sirgog]

Word.


Also it gonna happen more frequently in the coming months. And, these issues usually only happen in the Reaver, but when the rings/belts/necklaces hit.....oh lordy.

The one that does really, really gets under my skin is the cleric that loots the madstone boots. Hell if I'll pick them up <again>. "yeah, I'd get first round, but I need to let my madstone rage wear off......anyone have a madstone rod?"

I have a set of Madstone Boots on Numot (took them as a 40th end reward) and use them whenever I'm playing a melee role in a party. I actually do want a 2nd, and that and the +3 Wis tome are the only reasons i continue running it.

[Kraak]

Even more importantly, it's none of their friggin' business.

Unless you're solo'ing the raid. I would have to disagree. The current mechanic is barely better than the last one and it drives the opportunity to say - its nobody's business. (Except the %'s are off and its clear that the % for each item are different)

Just because the mechanic is written that way, doesn't mean I won't say something if a fighter rolls/takes a dreamsplitter when there are 4 casters in group that need it (and have said they need it). Normally, I just add the person to my "friends" list and leave it at that. But if it is egregiously greedy, I'll say something.

[Kraak]

I have a set of Madstone Boots on Numot (took them as a 40th end reward) and use them whenever I'm playing a melee role in a party. I actually do want a 2nd, and that and the +3 Wis tome are the only reasons i continue running it.

2 things - why did you gimp your fighter, and I'm glad Numot's not on Thelanis. :D

[Arlith]

I go into a quest expecting to pull only what loot I see with my name next to it. anything else is a bonus.

Bound loot, if I cannot use it I will offer for roll, or give it away. If someone offers to trade for it or buy it I will consider it. Although if they had waited I might have given it to them for free.

Tomes - Any I pull are mine, mine, mine. If I haven't got that one I will eat it. There is no telling what will happen in the future with the game. Things go from nice to necessary all the time. If I already have that tome, and it is binding I will offer it for a roll. I won't see how much I can get for it, or what items I can squeeze out of someone. I do not find anything wrong with charging someone for a tome, I just won't do it. Again though, if someone offers before I get the chance to say roll, I will consider. Charging is one thing, capitalizing on an offer is different. :D

[gorloch]

I know going into a raid I will pull whatever it is I am looking for on another toon. Then I ask any guildies if they want my loot to rub in my face at a later time, then put it up for roll for the rest of the party. :p


PIXA

[cdemeritt]

I was Typing this for another thread that was gone by the time I got done. Hi, Eldun:D
Anyways.............

It's not often, but when I'm in a total pug raid and I pull a bound tome or Raid loot. I kind of have my own little system of doing things:
Example: For argument sake, let us say I pulled a +3-charisma tome on my Barbarian.

1. I see if I can really use it. If so, I eat it. In this case, I go to option 2.

2. I ask who needs a +3-cha tome. Pug raid-loot rolling is stupid, in my opinion. It is my loot, so it is my rules. At this point, I really watch the volunteers, and then I categorize:

***** Pileon's: Those who wouldn't benefit from a +8 tome.....screw them, even if they were on a Sorc. I eat it.

***** Acquaintance: I kind of recognize the name, and I have played with them before.....If they are on someone that in my opinion would benefit from the tome. I might just give it to them. Figuring since I do play with this person from time to time, it may just benefit me in the long run. By making their character stronger....If I feel they are just being greedy (My tome, my opinion). Example: If a Wizzy wanted it ;). I will ask for a trade, maybe a +2 tome I could actually use on some toon.

***** Friend/non-guildie: The acquaintance has no chance. If he thinks he can use it, it is his. If they are a good friend, I will probably get a favor back down the line. It's a karma thing.

***** Guildie: Automatically theirs if they can use it. In my eye's it’s like eating a tome on one of my own characters. I count on this player so I want them as good as they can be.


.....just my 2 cents.

It's funny you say this... as I was going to respond to that "other" thread as well... I was there, and saw the whole thing (and was partially at fault for the near wipe, as I was the tank) The best part is that Eldun was one of the first to die... long before the rest.
As I said in party chat after, If the person who pull the "Whatever" feels they can use it, no matter how little of a use, they should be free to take it... I was on my Fighter with a very low Cha, had he pulled the tome, he would have looted it... as it would help his intim. If it had gone up for a roll, I probably would have rolled on it.... if I won the roll, and the sorc was in second, I'd probably withdraw my roll (have done this when I beat a cleric in a hound run).... However If I roll and "Items" owner chooses to ignore my roll, due to my lesser need, that is their choice.
I just am tired of people complaining about people pulling things that "they" can't use... I don't know your plans, and maybe they can use it, and you just think they can't.

Now if a sorc at this level "NEEDS" a +3 tome, I'm a little concerned... My capped sorc has passed on +3 CHA tomes as the +1 to CHA would put me at a 37 and not very useful CHA at this time for a much more useful at this time item. and even without the +3 he has a DC of 33 on FoD and more than enough SP for solo caster in the shroud.

I can't wait for the day one of my toons pulls a +3 tome of any time from the reaver and someone complains... I've got almost 200 completions combined and still no tome... If I can use it, I will take it reguardless of what others think.

[Monkey_Archer]

Hi Womp...
On Thelanis I and the one known as Thylus.
Pleased to meet your aquaintance ;)

[Bunker]

I know it Brae. :) And you know I'm rarely if ever one of them bastages. I just don't let it raise my blood pressure anymore. If someone is a jackass with loot, I just make note and move on with my day. No need to group with them again - but no need for an overt amount of drama and yelling about it, either.

Amen Memnir. I think that is vital to enjoying the game. Why stress over anything in DDO. These times are suppose to be about relaxing and chilling with your peeps.

And in fact, if there is anything to stress over, it should be whether there is enough beer in the mini fridge to last a good raiding night.

[leviathan]

Yea, I hate that too.

Chaps my hide also.

Saw this in ICY runs the other day. Icy put up for roll wizard wins and passes it to his buddy who lost the roll. They did not make any friends.

[Braegan]

And in fact, if there is anything to stress over, it should be whether there is enough beer in the mini fridge to last a good raiding night.

I've endured that stress many times. :(

[Rayzorlew]

Hi Womp...
On Thelanis I and the one known as Thylus.
Pleased to meet your aquaintance ;)

Dude, you can't have my tome....:D

[Pittminion]

I subscribe to the standard don't be an a$$hat rules. If you can't use it give it to someone that can, guildies, friends, and non idiot pugs. In that order. Tomes, those I'll eat unless a guildie can use it more than me. I'm not passing a tome to a pug. That's just that.

[SpanishBlueEyes]

Amen Memnir. I think that is vital to enjoying the game. Why stress over anything in DDO. These times are suppose to be about relaxing and chilling with your peeps.

And in fact, if there is anything to stress over, it should be whether there is enough beer in the mini fridge to last a good raiding night.

we should all be stressin over farve coming back AGAIN! :D

opps got off topic! ummm your loot is your loot do what you want and don't cry if you don't get someone else's loot.

[SpanishBlueEyes]

Amen Memnir. I think that is vital to enjoying the game. Why stress over anything in DDO. These times are suppose to be about relaxing and chilling with your peeps.

And in fact, if there is anything to stress over, it should be whether there is enough beer in the mini fridge to last a good raiding night.


How many min fridges do you need of ful beer for a bad raiding night. :D

[Athermal]

Here's my raid loot philosophy. I pull it, I do whatever I want with it. If you got a problem that I pull a +3 tome I already have and just vendor trash it, feel free to squelch me.

Let me get this straight. I assume you are the one I heard about in game yesterday.

You looted a +3 cha tome on your wizard in a raid that was saved by a sorc. You had already used a +3 cha tome on your wizard. The sorc could have used the tome, but you decided to loot it and vendor it.

Is this you, and accurate?

[Vhlad]

It's funny you say this... as I was going to respond to that "other" thread as well... I was there, and saw the whole thing (and was partially at fault for the near wipe, as I was the tank) The best part is that Eldun was one of the first to die... long before the rest. As I said in party chat after, If the person who pull the "Whatever" feels they can use it, no matter how little of a use, they should be free to take it... I was on my Fighter with a very low Cha, had he pulled the tome, he would have looted it... as it would help his intim. If it had gone up for a roll, I probably would have rolled on it.... if I won the roll, and the sorc was in second, I'd probably withdraw my roll (have done this when I beat a cleric in a hound run).... However If I roll and "Items" owner chooses to ignore my roll, due to my lesser need, that is their choice.
I just am tired of people complaining about people pulling things that "they" can't use... I don't know your plans, and maybe they can use it, and you just think they can't.

Now if a sorc at this level "NEEDS" a +3 tome, I'm a little concerned... My capped sorc has passed on +3 CHA tomes as the +1 to CHA would put me at a 37 and not very useful CHA at this time for a much more useful at this time item. and even without the +3 he has a DC of 33 on FoD and more than enough SP for solo caster in the shroud.

I can't wait for the day one of my toons pulls a +3 tome of any time from the reaver and someone complains... I've got almost 200 completions combined and still no tome... If I can use it, I will take it reguardless of what others think.

O RLY? Which character/class do you think he was playing?

[Uska]

I subscribe to the standard don't be an a$$hat rules. If you can't use it give it to someone that can, guildies, friends, and non idiot pugs. In that order. Tomes, those I'll eat unless a guildie can use it more than me. I'm not passing a tome to a pug. That's just that.

Even if you already used it? if so who are you? just to know so I never ever heal you or pass you loot of if possible group with you, who am I? I am Tarkain and purchase.

[cdemeritt]

O RLY? Which character/class do you think he was playing?

The only one who was making noise... Loud noise!!... The Sorc. If he wasn't the sorc, My apologies for the assumtion, however, all the more sad if you are on the forums complaining that someone didn't give someone else their loot. Really, nothing better to do than complain about what someone else looted but could have given to a 3rd party, who may or may not have needed it?



Let me get this straight. I assume you are the one I heard about in game yesterday.

You looted a +3 cha tome on your wizard in a raid that was saved by a sorc. You had already used a +3 cha tome on your wizard. The sorc could have used the tome, but you decided to loot it and vendor it.

Is this you, and accurate?

Well... The run was not saved by the sorc.... The sorc was the second person to die.... The run was saved by the Cleric who actually had Death Pack loaded and spent the 2000 gp material component cost to die and raise everyone... had this hadn't happened, I doubt we would have succeaded. The near party wipe came due to a random lighting strike taking out both a cleric and the sorc, the wizzy was dead first, spikes I think... but we were left 9 melees, 1 cleric and a whole lot of angry Air Eleis, with no CC. Yes, once everyone was raise, the sorc's FWs and Disco balls helped.. but to say he saved the day...

Now as for the second part of your statement... I heard nothing about nor have read that the wizzy had already looted another +3 tome, however if he did, well I don't think it is right, but it was his to do with what he wanted not mine and not yours... I'm tired of the arguments about who "needs" the goggles more out of VoD, the Rogue who pulled them or the melee who wants them.... If it isn't in my name, it isn't mine.

[Vhlad]

@_@


The only one who was making noise... Loud noise!!... The Sorc. If he wasn't the sorc, My apologies for the assumtion, however, all the more sad if you are on the forums complaining that someone didn't give someone else their loot. Really, nothing better to do than complain about what someone else looted but could have given to a 3rd party, who may or may not have needed it? It wasn't Elduns sorc. His toons are listed in his sig. :p

Well... The run was not saved by the sorc.... The sorc was the second person to die.... The run was saved by the Cleric who actually had Death Pack loaded and spent the 2000 gp material component cost a whole 2000gp? wow, such a vast expense is surely important enough to mention specifically! to die and raise everyone... had this hadn't happened, I doubt we would have succeaded. The near party wipe came due to a random lighting strike taking out both a cleric and the sorc, Random? Aren't the big lightning strikes caused by nubs who stand next to the giant when they have a full charge? aka static discharge the wizzy was dead first, spikes I think...uber but we were left 9 melees, 1 cleric and a whole lot of angry Air Eleis, with no CC. Yes, once everyone was raise, the sorc's FWs and Disco balls helped.. but to say he saved the day... meh, I wasn't there.

Now as for the second part of your statement... I heard nothing about nor have read that the wizzy had already looted another +3 tome, however if he did, well I don't think it is right, but it was his to do with what he wanted not mine and not yours... I'm tired of the arguments about who "needs" the goggles more out of VoD, the Rogue who pulled them or the melee who wants them.... If it isn't in my name, it isn't mine.

No real goal with my response here. Just farting around. I don't care about the incident in question - I expect this stuff from pugs. It's really the people who show generosity that stand out to me. Everything else is just everyday noise.

Some people seem to take things too personally in this game, and try to cause little wars. It's not healthy. Just relax and have fun. Hug it out.

[Braegan]

How many min fridges do you need of ful beer for a bad raiding night. :D

Less then a forum reading day!

[Rayzorlew]

Even if you already used it? if so who are you? just to know so I never ever heal you or pass you loot of if possible group with you, who am I? I am Tarkain and purchase.

Uska, I do not think that is what this person is saying....well at least I hope not. In all honesty, I do not think people screw other people on purpose much at all. I am not saying it does not happen. I am saying it does not happen as much as people think it does. I have played with some cold-hearted S.O.B's, and I have been called one myself a few times. However, being mean is one thing, wasting raid loot/tomes.....now that falls under ignorance.

The way I see it, taking the V.O.D. bracers on your fighter for the "fire shield clicky," over a sorcerer....makes you a cold S.O.B. Yet it is your loot! Who am I to judge? For all I know it’s your 69th run and you've needed them in order to solo the Shroud. Now I'm not saying, if I'm that Sorc, I'm not pi$$ed off! Oh, I will be, I'm human. I'll cuss and whine in vent that some dumba$$ fighter took my bracers, but I won't come here and air it out.....because I could have just as easily have been the fighter.;)

Now leaving it in the chest, because I already have them. Or looting them to sell. That is just Ignorance...but it is their loot. Which is why I lead my own parties, so they can't get in them.;)

[cdemeritt]

a whole 2000gp? wow, such a vast expense is surely important enough to mention specifically!

No real goal with my response here. Just farting around. I don't care about the incident in question - I expect this stuff from pugs. It's really the people who show generosity that stand out to me. Everything else is just everyday noise.

Some people seem to take things too personally in this game, and try to cause little wars. It's not healthy. Just relax and have fun. Hug it out.


Well I mention it only because while most who raid regularly can easily build up enough gold in a weekend to keep a large supply of the materials stockpiled, I find the cost for something that I 99% of the time don't need, a bit much, and don't carry them or the spell on my cleric, as most of my guildies who play clerics, unless they are soloing (at least the ones I've asked). Had I been in on my cleric, I would not have been able to pull off what the cleric did, and we would have been in trouble. And really the whole statement was more because someone thought the Sorc saved the day, and it wasn't, it was the cleric... Who probably could have used the +3 tome for more Dv's


As for the rest I agree with. It is just a game, and a should be treated as such.

[Vhlad]

The way I see it, taking the V.O.D. bracers on your fighter for the "fire shield clicky," over a sorcerer....makes you a cold S.O.B. Yet it is your loot! Who am I to judge? For all I know it’s your 69th run and you've needed them in order to solo the Shroud. Now I'm not saying, if I'm that Sorc, I'm not pi$$ed off! Oh, I will be, I'm human. I'll cuss and whine in vent that some dumba$$ fighter took my bracers, but I won't come here and air it out.....because I could have just as easily have been the fighter.;)

Yes! Precisely! Rayzorlew's post here describes my own state of mind pretty well.

1) *****ing and moaning about this kind of stuff is part of the fun of pugging [and having someone in vent cut you off with "STOP WHINING!" in the arnold voice is also part of the fun]

2) Though I reserve the right to cuss and whine, I can't really be mad. I have characters that are looking for only semi crazy **** at this point, like hound shields on wizards/sorcs/monks/THF barbs (panacea clicky and incase I need to shield block for whatever reason). And I KNOW some legitimate intim or cleric is going to cry a little inside when I pull it and keep it. But I won't roll against what I perceive as a legitimate user if a shield is up for public roll.

3) My wizard has maximum available ranks in UMD. Since titan gloves are +5, a +3 cha tome would even him out. That's another +5% to raise dead scroll success. As such, if I pulled a +3 cha tome in a pure pug I'd probably nom nom nom all over it.

But 2) & 3) are still somewhat legitimate uses. I think what ticked Eldun off is his perception that the wizard had absolutely no use for the tome (i.e. no ranks in UMD). But who knows what the future will bring! Perhaps said wizard will respec max ranks into UMD when respecs are offered, or perhaps Elduns perception was wrong and the wizard was in fact a high cha roleplaying intimawizard with max diplo, so he can spam intim and diplo and make the mobs dance back and forth, and the +3 tome was the final piece to his grand master plan!

[Clay]

Those that are selfish and avaricious usualy end up with a well known reputation and find it harder and harder to get groups... limiting the amount of loot they can acquire. So go ahead and take that Archmagi bracer or Levik's shield and vendor it for pennies...

Those that are generous and kind usually end up with a good reputation, find it easy to get in groups and finish more quests and end up with more loot. People will pass things over to them because they either received something from that person or have a friend/guildmate that did.

Things are not perfectly compensated. If I give A person X loot today they may not remember and give me X loot next time we are in a raid and the situation is reversed but that shouldn't be the expectation anyway. But I do believe that those who help others will, in the end, end up further ahead than those that only take.

[FluffyCalico]

Those that are selfish and avaricious usualy end up with a well known reputation and find it harder and harder to get groups... limiting the amount of loot they can acquire. So go ahead and take that Archmagi bracer or Levik's shield and vendor it for pennies...

.

The opposite is even more true. When someone spazzes that they didn't get someone ELSES loot they usually get 100 times the blacklisting of someone who took their OWN loot, no matter the reason.

[Vivanto]

Let me get this straight. I assume you are the one I heard about in game yesterday.


Nope, sadly that's not me. Regardless, I would've taken, eaten and used a +3 cha tome on any of my alts, including wizard. All that while not giving a ****' about your say over my loot.

[Eldun]

The only one who was making noise... Loud noise!!... The Sorc. If he wasn't the sorc, My apologies for the assumtion, however, all the more sad if you are on the forums complaining that someone didn't give someone else their loot. Really, nothing better to do than complain about what someone else looted but could have given to a 3rd party, who may or may not have needed it?




Well... The run was not saved by the sorc.... The sorc was the second person to die.... The run was saved by the Cleric who actually had Death Pack loaded and spent the 2000 gp material component cost to die and raise everyone... had this hadn't happened, I doubt we would have succeaded. The near party wipe came due to a random lighting strike taking out both a cleric and the sorc, the wizzy was dead first, spikes I think... but we were left 9 melees, 1 cleric and a whole lot of angry Air Eleis, with no CC. Yes, once everyone was raise, the sorc's FWs and Disco balls helped.. but to say he saved the day...

Now as for the second part of your statement... I heard nothing about nor have read that the wizzy had already looted another +3 tome, however if he did, well I don't think it is right, but it was his to do with what he wanted not mine and not yours... I'm tired of the arguments about who "needs" the goggles more out of VoD, the Rogue who pulled them or the melee who wants them.... If it isn't in my name, it isn't mine.

Perhaps I was told the wrong story, wouldn't be the first and won't be the last time I didn't get my facts straight. As the description went to me the raid was started shortmanned and the sorc was one of the last to go, certainly not the second ... as soon as he went to the rez room the party started talking about a wipe and rerunning the quest the sorc had the sense to settle the few remaining players floundering about below and recommend to the cleric to cast deathpact on herself and rez everyone in the dead room back to life. Which again someone after multiple warnings took the rez in the room. Then the sorc ran the puzzle for everyone with very little time remaining, apparantly nobody else volunteered for it and the party leader said in PM "puzzle solver what's that?"

Mehh, I just got involved because it worked me up to hear a guildy of mine who doesn't have the level of gear that I've been fortunate enough to gather over the past 3 years AND it was such a classic example on the opposite side of the fence of the dbags who would loot two items with signet stones and are cited as examples to why the raid loot policy was changed.

A guy who would vendor a +3 Tome without even asking if someone else may want it has to be the epitome of a selfish loner who goes against the very nature of a MMO game and anyone who would back up the opinion that vendoring a +3 tome because it was their loot is so far off the ranch as to not even warrant a reply to. I believe that it falls under Legion's coined term "Pileon".

[Vivanto]

A guy who would vendor a +3 Tome without even asking if someone else may want it has to be the epitome of a selfish loner who goes against the very nature of a MMO game and anyone who would back up the opinion that vendoring a +3 tome because it was their loot is so far off the ranch as to not even warrant a reply to. I believe that it falls under Legion's coined term "Pileon".

Apparently, you did bother for a reply, what does that make your post then?

As usual in discussions like this, you just totally missed my point, and focused on the wrong part. I already gave enough explanations of it.

Being a pileon is a totally irrelevant term on the matter and has nothing to do with just the loot or what the loot is being used per see. A pileon is a pileon with a +3 tome, or with a masterwork dagger regardless. You're simply trying to flame with a term you don't even understand..

This game.

[Kraak]

Nope, sadly that's not me. Regardless, I would've taken, eaten and used a +3 cha tome on any of my alts, including wizard. All that while not giving a ****' about your say over my loot.

Cool - can you provide a list of alts if you even play on Thelanis, before TnT strikes this thread? Or even PM them to me :D.

[Kraak]

You're simply trying to flame with a term you don't even understand.


Yes Eldun - I too find you dense. Very, very dense.


Ok - Viv - fess up the alts bro :D.

[Pittminion]

Even if you already used it? if so who are you? just to know so I never ever heal you or pass you loot of if possible group with you, who am I? I am Tarkain and purchase.Dude don't assume, you make bigger ass out of yourself.

I will use a tome everytime unless a guildie can use it better. Only and only if I have eaten it, and every guildie in the party has eaten it will I pass it to a pug. Items are up for grabs generally. I'm raiding for tomes now. The only caviot to the above rules, If I'm on my 6 cha dwarven ranger with no umd, sure I'll pass the +3 cha tome, to a guildie. If no guildies in the party I'll roll it. I'm not going to double eat a tome. I'm not an a$$hat, but I look out for myself and guildies first.

[Vivanto]

Cool - can you provide a list of alts if you even play on Thelanis, before TnT strikes this thread? Or even PM them to me :D.

Sure, the moment you list yours as well, for some reason I dislike people with a lack of reading comprehension ;) If you're really that keen, feel free to avoid any ground raids meanwhile.

[Kraak]

Didn't know I was that hard to find, but updated my sig. Let me know. :D

[Murgatroyd]

Didn't know I was that hard to find, but updated my sig. Let me know. :D

And not Kraak the spider in Korthos :p

[kinar]

In any raid I run, the loot rules are as follows:

You pull it, its yours. Do with it what you want.

Simple as that.

If I personally pull something that I am not gonna use, I ask who wants it. If it is a not obvious (like a barb wanting a +3cha tome, or a wiz wanting madstone boots), I verify that the reason they want it is a good one (barb might get 2 UMD and INTIMI from a +3 cha tome..wizzy might swiing a huge axe and use mana for buffing only) before I allow them to roll. I'm not about to tell someone how to play thier character and as long as they know what they are looting, I will let them.

[Vivanto]

There ya go.

[cdemeritt]

Perhaps I was told the wrong story, wouldn't be the first and won't be the last time I didn't get my facts straight. As the description went to me the raid was started shortmanned and the sorc was one of the last to go, certainly not the second ... as soon as he went to the rez room the party started talking about a wipe and rerunning the quest the sorc had the sense to settle the few remaining players floundering about below and recommend to the cleric to cast deathpact on herself and rez everyone in the dead room back to life. Which again someone after multiple warnings took the rez in the room. Then the sorc ran the puzzle for everyone with very little time remaining, apparantly nobody else volunteered for it and the party leader said in PM "puzzle solver what's that?"

Mehh, I just got involved because it worked me up to hear a guildy of mine who doesn't have the level of gear that I've been fortunate enough to gather over the past 3 years AND it was such a classic example on the opposite side of the fence of the dbags who would loot two items with signet stones and are cited as examples to why the raid loot policy was changed.

A guy who would vendor a +3 Tome without even asking if someone else may want it has to be the epitome of a selfish loner who goes against the very nature of a MMO game and anyone who would back up the opinion that vendoring a +3 tome because it was their loot is so far off the ranch as to not even warrant a reply to. I believe that it falls under Legion's coined term "Pileon".



Points of View: Perspective: amazing things... Everyone has a different one.... Your guildie has one where he saved the run, I have another where he wasn't as pivitol, and I'm sure there are 9 others that will say something else as well.

I don't know either the sorc or the wizzy, so to comment on which one of them had more use for the tome is a bit much for me, as they both could have "some" use for it. and I'm pretty sure I saw the wizzy using the tome.

But from my point of view the one who showed worse here was the Sorc, reguardless of how much he "saved" the run. The whining and complaining and tantrum throwing in party chat because he didn't get a chance to roll on it, assuming the wizzy had "Zero" use for it. He is the one I will remember, and looked like the @$$hat. I'm not the only one who thought this.. Had guildies with us, and we even hrs later were laughing at the sorc. in vent.

I don't know anyone plans for their builds, I only know what I'm planning. Anyone complaining about what I loot will be laughed at. I don't assume that just because something drops, I'm getting a shot at it.... it will drop for me eventually. I've seen some really strange builds, that I thought would be useless dead weight, but worked surprisingly well. (The BattleBot Warmages) Not my place to "assume" what they can use.

As far as I'm concerned, the Wizzy did NOTHING wrong, as long as he did use the tome.

[ace_mason]

Mem, you are my bro and I know you will see it as such. But my only interjection if you will is that likewise I don't care that much about a greedy bastage from time to time, but I will be damned if I will let the same greedy bastage into another group so he/she can show their greed again.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Your loot is your loot. If you want to pull a +3 charisma tome on your wf wizard with an 8 charisma and no umd then by all means have at it. After all it is your loot, but you better be ready to get flamed on the forums. Also be prepared to be rejected from any runs by that person and probably all his friends and guildies. We are a small community word gets around fast. If you are a bastage you wont get into many groups. A simple reason why he needed it would have probably been sufficient. Just say I am a noob pileon that has never seen a +3 tome before and I wanted to loot it to say I have loot one before. Good enough for me. But to take it out of the chest then ding out of the party as fast as possible after being carried through the raid. Bad form IMO and that guy I now on my do not group list. Mainly because if I loot something and don't need it I put it up for roll. Ill be damned if he is gonna have a shot at it.

[FluffyCalico]

If you want to pull a +3 charisma tome on your wf wizard with an 8 charisma and no umd then by all means have at it. .

And if you want to whine and cry that someone did not give you THEIR loot don't be surpised when you get 100 times the blacklisting they do. Anyone who whines and crys about not getting somone ELSEs loot is not welcome in any run I am in.

[Braegan]

And if you want to whine and cry that someone did not give you THEIR loot don't be surpised when you get 100 times the blacklisting they do. Anyone who whines and crys about not getting somone ELSEs loot is not welcome in any run I am in.

Deal! If you are the type that would loot something you didn't need, your guildmate didn't need and snag it for the cheap sale at the tavern keeper or to slap in the bank or whatever; please by all means exclude me from any raid you are a part of (names in sig).

[GlassCannon]

I subscribe to the standard don't be an a$$hat rules. If you can't use it give it to someone that can, guildies, friends, and non idiot pugs. In that order. Tomes, those I'll eat unless a guildie can use it more than me. I'm not passing a tome to a pug. That's just that.

I'll roll it off if it benefits someone else. I don't even put effort into it when there is equal need, I just exclude any "joke rolls"(Fighter 16 rolls on Lorrik's Necklace, for example).

Sometimes, I do something devious though(at least 80% of the time, that is):

You may win the roll, but that doesn't guarantee you'll get the tome. I give it to who I want to give it to. If it didn't drop for you, shut it, and watch me help the player that needs it most. ;)

Yes, I am *that* guy that gives the +3 CHA tome to a Bard instead of the Sorc that has already eaten a +2 and has 140 completions of whatever raid it is. The sorc has time to spare, the bard does not(Casual vs Power players, mind). I will also leave the item in the chest for a short while during my /tell-fest searching for the greatest need. No, I don't do trades, Raid Loot is Gift-Only. Accepting a bribe is over the top douchébaggery.


Also, just because it drops in the chest does not mean it is up for roll. I may take it, or I may hand it to someone that needs it. Simple as that. Yes, I hold guildmates over others in loyalty, but will throw it at someone I have run with before simply because they don't have it yet. Example: Lorrik's Shield drops. Paladins go apesh*t rolling on it. I throw it at the Cleric, who has been ardently pursuing it with every weekend she has for the last 2 months. They get angry. I tell em the cleric needed it more, and catch flak. /squelch, /squelch. Done. Next day, /squelch remove, /squelch remove. Done.

This behavior results from such actions as a Wizard 16 on Argo rolling on and winning by roll, Tharne's Goggles. He took them right in front of my needy Assassin. Another 20 goes by, not a sign of them.

I call this the "Not an @$$hat, but screw your rules" style.:cool: It's so effective that it has become the general ruleset for Argonessen PuGs. It may make its way to Thelanis if you aren't careful... :eek:

[FluffyCalico]

I call this the "Not an @$$hat, but screw your rules" style.:cool: It's so effective that it has become the general ruleset for Argonessen PuGs. It may make its way to Thelanis if you aren't careful... :eek:

The other agro rule is if you beg for my loot or demand my loot you will NOT get it. Period! If I want to give or roll it I will. If you were begging or demanding you will not be allowed to win it.

[Murgatroyd]

Sharing loot is beneficial to the community.

A lot of us fear PUGS and their potential lack of gear, but sharing with the have nots when we don't need the gear makes good sense. After a while random pugs can knock out quests with ease.

Granted if you're using a Cloudburst on Harry, you're doomed to begin with :D

[gorloch]

I kinda find it funny the ones who make the big deal and say they arent going to raid with certain people fail to put their toons in their bios that way everyone else could be sure to exclude them.


PIXA

[Delt]

Mmmm, nothing like reading pages and pages of adults crying over electronic make-believe items.

Your loot is your loot. However, the more selfish the action, the more likely people like Eldun will get ****y and personally blacklist you. The +3 cha tome wasn't particularly a good example, but that just highlights the fact that no matter what you do, you'll **** off someone eventually :)

The only reason I still run my TWF ranger mutt through Hound is for the shield that I will almost never use. I'm fully aware that when I get it, someone is gonna be crying in vent/chat/tells whatever.

[al73r]

a good example of raid loot whoring is like this.

you win the roll
person passes the loot to you.. Whoops wrong name.
You ask politely to have the loot passed to you.
The person that had the loot passed to them then passes it to someone else
they loot it and drop group.


The +3cha tome is minimal IMO. Still sucks but not huge.

[Rayzorlew]

I kinda find it funny the ones who make the big deal and say they arent going to raid with certain people fail to put their toons in their bios that way everyone else could be sure to exclude them.


PIXA

Yeah, I always wonder how these people remember whom not to accept. Plus all their alts. I can’t even remember all my alts half the time.
/toakesonafatty

What was I saying, again???:confused:


:D

[juniorpfactors]

wow must be alot of rerolls out there these days, I mean how could anyones main even need any of the raid loot, these raids have been out for years, and we havent seen a new one in a year essentially+, all newbs or rerolls are the only people needing anything, so all we do is dole out our raid loot if we actually still played:rolleyes:

[Bunker]

wow must be alot of rerolls out there these days, I mean how could anyones main even need any of the raid loot, these raids have been out for years, and we havent seen a new one in a year essentially+, all newbs or rerolls are the only people needing anything, so all we do is dole out our raid loot if we actually still played:rolleyes:

Dang Jrp. You still pay fr a sub, never see you online. You must be Turbine's #1 customer. :rolleyes:

[juniorpfactors]

Dang Jrp. You still pay fr a sub, never see you online. You must be Turbine's #1 customer. :rolleyes:

just so i can shime in daily, if I feel the need, hey i did log in like 10 days ago and run 2 raids, a hound and 2 people really wanted that hot ring of thelis,,, to better their build...I quickly logged off. $60 buck atomatic cc draft.... so i can troll

jrp

[Bunker]

just so i can shime in daily, if I feel the need, hey i did log in like 10 days ago and run 2 raids, a hound and 2 people really wanted that hot ring of thelis,,, to better their build...I quickly logged off. $60 buck atomatic cc draft.... so i can troll

jrp

A small price for ones entertainment I suppose. Like a god friend once said to me. For the $15 dollars that the average player spends per month on DDO, you can go thru that with 1 round of drinks at the local Pub.

[Arlith]

A small price for ones entertainment I suppose. Like a god friend once said to me. For the $15 dollars that the average player spends per month on DDO, you can go thru that with 1 round of drinks at the local Pub.

ATM machines in bars should be against the law. Matter of fact, ALL atm machines should have a breathalyzer on them and block access to inebriated customers. It's bad enough waking up with a hangover. Waking up with a hangover and realizing you spent the truck payment at a blackjack table really sucks.Or that a really hot stripper got you mortgage payment 1 dollar at a time.

[gaxpar]

Yesterday in the hound a saw a drow 2wp fighting rogue loot the loriks champion shield without saying a word to the group most people noticed .

It had been a while since i had seen such greed needless to say that you wont see me and that person in the same group often .

I had never in about 200 runs in the hound seen something like that i guess that rogue is really special .

Ill gldaly pm the name and guild if anyones interested .

[Visty]

Yesterday in the hound a saw a drow 2wp fighting rogue loot the loriks champion shield without saying a word to the group most people noticed .

It had been a while since i had seen such greed needless to say that you wont see me and that person in the same group often .

I had never in about 200 runs in the hound seen something like that i guess that rogue is really special .

Ill gldaly pm the name and guild if anyones interested .

why is that bad?
you know, that shield is the best for blocking in game and everyone can use it
also it has panacaea clickys for when you get feebleminded and such
maybe he solos alot, do you know?

[gaxpar]

is that in 200 hound runs i never seen a rogue or any 2wp figthing class for that matter take either the lorriks shield or the lorriks champion .

Why havent any other 2wp figthin person do that ?

Cause the benefit to a 2wp figthing class is marginal compared to a cleric .

You know the bards cloak eveyrone can use too but its called a bards cloak .

And yes a healbot cleric with 8 str can use a plus 3 str tome .

You can make a case that anyone can use anything but the simple fact that in 200 runs that had never happen once i think theres a common ground for most here apparently that rogue is beyond all that .

The blocking dr you say will he use that blocking dr when he solos or for all teh times he tank suulu in visions ? or when hell tank the hound ?

Its bs and everyone in teh group saw it .thats why i had never seen that in 200 runs its a pretty good sample dont you think ?

Like i said i will gladly pm the name and the guild and the name have a nice day and thank you .

[gaxpar]

I have been called a lot of things but greedy aint one .I have raided a lot and given a lot of gear and items .Anyone will tell you that +3 tomes chattering rings hound shields tumbleweed etc etc ...

Never could stand greed never will .

[Bunker]

Such a waste to stress about something so small, when in fact you should be stressing about why you are not wasted.

[Vivanto]

Yesterday in the hound a saw a drow 2wp fighting rogue loot the loriks champion shield without saying a word to the group most people noticed .

It had been a while since i had seen such greed needless to say that you wont see me and that person in the same group often .

I had never in about 200 runs in the hound seen something like that i guess that rogue is really special .

Ill gldaly pm the name and guild if anyones interested .
Yeah that was me, since I admit it in public you can now stop your pm war, but whatever.

Sorry for that, but since it was the only single item I needed from that, and it drops for me, hell yeah I will take it. I'm not wasting my time for nothing.
Passed away rolling chances already and only took since it dropped specifically for me. Know what, in 200 runs I've never seen it drop for me at all, not once.

The reason I didn't quick ninja it but left it in chest for a bit was exactly that ppl will realize that I'm aware of what I get not just ignorantly ninjaing. People would've just as noticed me taking it regardless, but would be even more upset if I took it in a heartbeat. Shall I tell you a story about a pure healbot cleric with the tharne goggles? (and no, I was not upset, didn't whine, actually already had the goggles but it's still odd), rest assured that cleric will have way less use of the goggles than I will have for the shield.

Btw how dare you judge my playstyle and claim I won't have any use of it? I use a shield a lot more than you may think, even on twf.


The only reason I still run my TWF ranger mutt through Hound is for the shield that I will almost never use. I'm fully aware that when I get it, someone is gonna be crying in vent/chat/tells whatever.

Perhaps I should've stated the same thing on this thread prior to that raid. I was fully expecting a waa whaa thread or something similar.

Again, sorry.

[Waukeen]

Yeah that was me, since I admit it in public you can now stop your pm war, but whatever.

Sorry for that, but since it was the only single item I needed from that, and it drops for me, hell yeah I will take it. I'm not wasting my time for nothing.
Passed away rolling chances already and only took since it dropped specifically for me. Know what, in 200 runs I've never seen it drop for me at all, not once.

The reason I didn't quick ninja it but left it in chest for a bit was exactly that ppl will realize that I'm aware of what I get not just ignorantly ninjaing. People would've just as noticed me taking it regardless, but would be even more upset if I took it in a heartbeat. Shall I tell you a story about a pure healbot cleric with the tharne goggles? (and no, I was not upset, didn't whine, actually already had the goggles but it's still odd), rest assured that cleric will have way less use of the goggles than I will have for the shield.

Btw how dare you judge my playstyle and claim I won't have any use of it? I use a shield a lot more than you may think, even on twf.



Perhaps I should've stated the same thing on this thread prior to that raid. I was fully expecting a waa whaa thread or something similar.

Again, sorry.

I am with you on this one. Its your loot. Take it even if you only intend on using it situationally. It is more than fair for the person putting something up for a roll to deny the chance to whom they see fit, or even hold a guild/friends only roll. It is their item to do with what they wish. Deal with it, or come crying to the forums.

[Arlith]

Again, sorry.

Why? I wouldn't be. I would have done the exact same if I felt I needed it. It was your loot, take it and the world be damned if they don't like it.

[Dragonhyde]

These types of arguements are why I rarely join pug groups and low man what raids I can so I do not have to defend looting an item that I have been hunting for because omg I am the wrong class for the item (lol I have even had people roll on a bloodstone I pulled on my cleric when checking on the chest before going into wiz king) . I never roll for what the general public considers certain class items when i do pug but I also do not let myself be bullied by blacklist threats into giving up what I pulled either. Maybe one day Turbine will in their wisdom add the option to hide your loot pulls.

[Vivanto]

Why? I wouldn't be. I would have done the exact same if I felt I needed it. It was your loot, take it and the world be damned if they don't like it.
To some degree I can understand his frustration. I know exactly how it feels if you've done x raid n times, and you still don't get what you wish on the nth+1 run.
On the flip side of that, I also know how it feels to give up 3 years worth of grinding and character development and have to start brand new from scratch on the US servers ^^.


I never roll for what the general public considers certain class items when i do pug but I also do not let myself be bullied by blacklist threats into giving up what I pulled either.
I've the exact same mindset, never rolled on something I wanted but ppl would've gone omg. Even passed away many items I wished for, dropped for me, but had some friends in raid I knew could use better.

[gaxpar]

Here's my raid loot philosophy. I pull it, I do whatever I want with it. If you got a problem that I pull a +3 tome I already have and just vendor trash it, feel free to squelch me.


Would have i read that before we wouldnt have ran together ...

Thanks for being so transparent on your intentions , definately a plus to the community .We see so many rogues running around with a blue shield (Lorriks champion not leviks btw) and everyone sees rogue everyday in every quest running with that shield and actually shield block right..................Hound visions sorjek shroud etc etc ...Ouberzzzz

Good job on having so much consideration for your fellow players you really sound like a great guy and a generous person .

[Vivanto]

Would have i read that before we wouldnt have ran together ...
I see you share the same lack of reading comprehension as Kraak, good to know so I won't have to waste my time explaining anything to you anymore.

[gaxpar]

The way I see it, taking the V.O.D. bracers on your fighter for the "fire shield clicky," over a sorcerer....makes you a cold S.O.B. Yet it is your loot! Who am I to judge? For all I know it’s your 69th run and you've needed them in order to solo the Shroud. Now I'm not saying, if I'm that Sorc, I'm not pi$$ed off! Oh, I will be, I'm human. I'll cuss and whine in vent that some dumba$$ fighter took my bracers, but I won't come here and air it out.....because I could have just as easily have been the fighter.;)

Now leaving it in the chest, because I already have them. Or looting them to sell. That is just Ignorance...but it is their loot. Which is why I lead my own parties, so they can't get in them.;)


Those that are selfish and avaricious usualy end up with a well known reputation and find it harder and harder to get groups... limiting the amount of loot they can acquire. So go ahead and take that Archmagi bracer or Levik's shield and vendor it for pennies...

Those that are generous and kind usually end up with a good reputation, find it easy to get in groups and finish more quests and end up with more loot. People will pass things over to them because they either received something from that person or have a friend/guildmate that did.

Things are not perfectly compensated. If I give A person X loot today they may not remember and give me X loot next time we are in a raid and the situation is reversed but that shouldn't be the expectation anyway. But I do believe that those who help others will, in the end, end up further ahead than those that only take.




opposite side of the fence of the dbags who would loot two items with signet stones and are cited as examples to why the raid loot policy was changed.

A guy who would vendor a +3 Tome without even asking if someone else may want it has to be the epitome of a selfish loner who goes against the very nature of a MMO game and anyone who would back up the opinion that vendoring a +3 tome because it was their loot is so far off the ranch as to not even warrant a reply to. I believe that it falls under Legion's coined term "Pileon".


Cool - can you provide a list of alts if you even play on Thelanis, before TnT strikes this thread? Or even PM them to me :D.


Unless you're solo'ing the raid. I would have to disagree. The current mechanic is barely better than the last one and it drives the opportunity to say - its nobody's business. (Except the %'s are off and its clear that the % for each item are different)

Just because the mechanic is written that way, doesn't mean I won't say something if a fighter rolls/takes a dreamsplitter when there are 4 casters in group that need it (and have said they need it). Normally, I just add the person to my "friends" list and leave it at that. But if it is egregiously greedy, I'll say something.

No need to add anything im done here Lorriks chapion on a 2 wf rogue yay uber and not greedy at all.Look around in meridia and reavers refuge and in any quest all those 2 wf rogues and rangers using that shield and blocking all the baddies after the group . Just look around its so common its amazing .

Seems to me that not only kraak had reading comprehension problems there bud.

[Vivanto]

No need to add anything

Guess I don't have to add anything either to the fact of you swearing at me on voice just before looting :rolleyes:

As a matter of fact I often give away loot that I would've needed, to guild and friends, which means other ex-eu players, legion and a good couple other US players, many from ifv. Sorry bud but to me you were just a pug, and a pretty bad one at that. After your introduction, probably not a big loss.

[doppleganger]

nevermind

[Kraak]

I see you share the same lack of reading comprehension as Kraak, good to know so I won't have to waste my time explaining anything to you anymore.

Isc - there's a difference between disagreeing with you position and not understanding it. I understand you position. I just don't agree with it.

[Arlith]

Isc - there's a difference between disagreeing with you position and not understanding it. I understand you position. I just don't agree with it.

Trying to understand someone else's point, though you don't agree with it, is nearly a lost art. Few attempt it.

[Vivanto]

Isc - there's a difference between disagreeing with you position and not understanding it. I understand you position. I just don't agree with it.

Your responses - including most of who gaxy clubbed together - show the opposite. I've treid to hint, even spelled out for you several times, you're focusing on the wrong part of my statement.

I simply stated "your loot is your loot" in a different and more arrogant wording, nothing more nothing less. But you guys all hung up on a silly example, which could very well have already happened in your group, yet you probably walked away happily thinking the guy had some use of it, congratulating to the pull.

So tell me, if you indeed understood what I wrote there, then how come you all bashing on me but not on any other "your loot is your loot" post?

[..]

As for the shield, I use one often enough that I've been mistaken for a snb build several times.

In these short ~ 2 months I've been playing on Thelanis, I've already given away several items that I would've otherwise needed. Non-exhauste list from top of my head include abbot staff, quiver, weed, glacial bracers, and many many more that I didn't need in the first place ofcourse. Only vendor the trash that I couldn't pass to anyone, tough I even gave away for that reason alone for a bard who could sell the junk better.

Also I've met people who took the vod bracers exclusively for the cold shield and nobody was whining and crying for it, including my wiz who didn't yet have it at the time.

[Kraak]

Isc - the mechanic of the game is coded as "your loot is your loot". However, I generally subscribe to "need before greed". Again, the only place where this generally comes up is in the Reaver because that's one of the few places where class-inclined unique items drop.

I'd be rather shocked if you acted the way that you've been discussing this issue because IMO Ground is a class act. Unfortunately, I haven't run with you enough to do anything than take you at your word, here on the forums.

On a side note, with the new Mod - I think "Need before Greed" will make a huge comeback. And social rules about loot will start to surface again.

Cheers

Kraak

[Kraak]

Also I've met people who took the vod bracers exclusively for the cold shield

I've done this on several of my guys, but I waited until my 20th to pick it up. Yes, sometimes you get screwed doing this, but that's not the norm. I know a guy that ran 60 raids doing this and still didn't get the cross-class loot he was looking for. But again, this is not the norm.

[Visty]

Isc - the mechanic of the game is coded as "your loot is your loot". However, I generally subscribe to "need before greed". Again, the only place where this generally comes up is in the Reaver because that's one of the few places where class-inclined unique items drop.

I'd be rather shocked if you acted the way that you've been discussing this issue because IMO Ground is a class act. Unfortunately, I haven't run with you enough to do anything than take you at your word, here on the forums.

On a side note, with the new Mod - I think "Need before Greed" will make a huge comeback. And social rules about loot will start to surface again.

Cheers

Kraak
well, he needed it, so he acted your way, wheres the problem then?

[Vivanto]

On a side note, with the new Mod - I think "Need before Greed" will make a huge comeback. And social rules about loot will start to surface again.

I can see that problem too, especially since some class items are way superior to all the others, I'm looking at you stalwart defender!


I've done this on several of my guys, but I waited until my 20th to pick it up. Yes, sometimes you get screwed doing this, but that's not the norm. I know a guy that ran 60 raids doing this and still didn't get the cross-class loot he was looking for. But again, this is not the norm.
That's odd. On my 20th-40th etc.. vods I haven't got a full list either (and no tomes), but that bastard Ay got every item on 20th, what's the deal with that raid? It's got very few named items so a full list is warranted, but only the lucky gits get it.


well, he needed it, so he acted your way, wheres the problem then?

That's 2 separate discussions, he never once said anything about that pull in specific.

[Visty]

That's 2 separate discussions, he never once said anything about that pull in specific.

but *****ing about someone taking an item he thinks it doesnt belong to and then saying he is for need befor greed just doesnt mix

[Bunker]

I say leave the loot in the chest. Recall. Laugh. Drop group.

In that order. :D

[Kraak]

I say leave the loot in the chest. Recall. Laugh. Drop group.

In that order. :D

Quite possibly the best loot rules ever - lmao

[gorloch]

Quite possibly the best loot rules ever - lmao

I agree. Sad thing is when it happens on accident, or even more hilarious depending on whose opinion you take.


PIXA

[juniorpfactors]

Guess I don't have to add anything either to the fact of you swearing at me on voice just before looting :rolleyes:

As a matter of fact I often give away loot that I would've needed, to guild and friends, which means other ex-eu players, legion and a good couple other US players, many from ifv. Sorry bud but to me you were just a pug, and a pretty bad one at that. After your introduction, probably not a big loss.

Gax aint just "a pug",,,, gax is oldschool, and right on the money... and a top % player

he just calls a spade a spade..... and loot muppets are his #1 grip

jrp

[Vivanto]

Gax aint just "a pug",,,, gax is oldschool, and right on the money... and a top % player

he just calls a spade a spade..... and loot muppets are his #1 grip

jrp

To you. It is always relative. I don't know him, so to me he is a pug, or part of a pug. Do you give away stuff you desire to a pug?

[juniorpfactors]

I say leave the loot in the chest. Recall. Laugh. Drop group.

In that order. :D

wait!!!!!, I have been stacking duplicate raid items for 3 years in my bank, I thought I read where there was a new system to "crunch" them down for every ten Hound necklaces and every 10 bard cloaks you get a sibreys dragon shard and power cell
this comes out in mod 9 right? right next to the marketplace Bank.....cant wait to turn in my 50 bard cloaks

jrp

[Delt]

Gax aint just "a pug",,,, gax is oldschool, and right on the money... and a top % player

jrp

Because you say so? Nifty, I disagree.

And what's the big pull on that shield for a cleric by the way? Dev 8 or the Turning boost....? Maybe they wanna eat up 3 slots for Sup Dev 8? Lol.

Thanks for the laugh fellas :rolleyes:

[Visty]

Because you say so? Nifty, I disagree.

And what's the big pull on that shield for a cleric by the way? Dev 8 or the Turning boost....? Maybe they wanna eat up 3 slots for Sup Dev 8? Lol.

Thanks for the laugh fellas :rolleyes:

hey, alot of ppl go for that sup dev8, its clearly more uber then takeing gr pot 7 on sov and freeing a handslot

[Delt]

hey, alot of ppl go for that sup dev8, its clearly more uber then takeing gr pot 7 on sov and freeing a handslot

More uber? Costs 3 slots to get it done and covers less than potency. Eats the neck slot to boot (major mod 9 slot) and the benefit goes out the window in 7 days with 3 minute superior ardor 8 clickies.

At this point in the game, it's a worthless trade off for the better CCM. That shield (and to a lesser extent, the tower) find the main utility in the DR...and that ain't a cleric-only thing.

Keep in mind, if you do it (or more likely, *did* it) on your cleric, that's cool. Again, your loot is your loot. But to try and argue today that this is cleric-only is utterly ********.

[Visty]

More uber? Costs 3 slots to get it done and covers less than potency. Eats the neck slot to boot (major mod 9 slot) and the benefit goes out the window in 7 days with 3 minute superior ardor 8 clickies.

At this point in the game, it's a worthless trade off for the better CCM. That shield (and to a lesser extent, the tower) find the main utility in the DR...and that ain't a cleric-only thing.

Keep in mind, if you do it (or more likely, *did* it) on your cleric, that's cool. Again, your loot is your loot. But to try and argue today that this is cleric-only is utterly ********.

check your sarcasm-meter, dude ;)

[Delt]

check your sarcasm-meter, dude ;)

Somehow I had it set to "Diplomatic" mode...my bad.