How do you get good players in your party??

[Sou1Hammer]

This is a hard one. With all the players on DDO, and the release (hopefully) of mod 9 coming in Sept (which may make it even harder to get good players in your party), I find the easiest way to get good player is to generally be nice. Newbies are the best source for this. You can mold them much more easily, especially if they are not guilded yet. By the time a toon is lvl around lvl 7, they should have a good idea as to what they are doing and may not need as much guidance. Basically, treat people as you'd like to be treated, with respect, and you'll have no problem gaining good players who will constantly be showing up in your parties, time and time again.

And if that doesn't work, try putting up a wet bar with caged dancing girls. When they sit at the bar to drink and watch, drop a cage on them and starve them into submission, that's how they got me. :D

[Mav145]

If you mention girls in your lfm posting, you will quickly have a group full of hormone-raging (probably double raged) 13-year old boys. You will find yourself surrounded by stories concerning such drivel as,

"Wouldn't it be cool if you could date a girl that looked that good in armor."
"Dude, my math teacher......"
"I am uber, I've been playing this since I was nine"

Over and over, in that high squeaky middle school voice that only parents love. Really, think before you put caged girls on the Sarlona server. Think of the children. Send the girls to me with a case of beer and I will protect Sarlona from beautiful women and alcohol. I will sacrifice myself.

OK, seriously, I check my guild list first, then my friends list, and then, if I absoltely must, the PUG board.

[Arkat]

Nevermind

[Aranticus]

well be a decent player and you have no problems with good players joining you.... on khyber we have a 12ftr/4mnk in DT plate, listing for raids. people wonder why the group takes ages to fill.... ;)

[Borror0]

This is a hard one. With all the players on DDO, and the release (hopefully) of mod 9 coming in Sept (which may make it even harder to get good players in your party), I find the easiest way to get good player is to generally be nice.
Well, other than the obvious trick to join a good guild and add good players to your friend list, there are few other ways to get better PUGs.

If you add comments like "bring own healing", "in progress", "be self-sufficient", "healer is nice but not needed", "please carry your own weight" or "pst saying 'Chupacabra' to prove you can read" to your LFMs, you usually avoid the worse players and you're left with players of average skills and above.

Slight warning, you may get tells from a few people that are easily. Just ignore them.

Adding your guild tag to your LFM will also help in attracting the best players for as long as your guild has a good reputation but many will mistake that for bragging, which is a shame. Personally, I hesitate to join LFMs unless I know the person. Knowing from which guild the person is would help me making my decision, too.

on khyber we have a 12ftr/4mnk in DT plate
Tell me there is a typo somewhere in there.

[Aranticus]

Tell me there is a typo somewhere in there.

not typo, i just forgot to add "human, twf, 600 hp"

[Borror0]

not typo, i just forgot to add "human, twf, 600 hp"
Could be worse, I guess. He could be elf, have more than 600 HP and be S&B.

[Strakeln]

"Zerging, in progress, must know way" generally draws only those who could solo the quest themselves.

[Strakeln]

Could be worse, I guess. He could be elf, have more than 600 HP and be S&B.
You seem to be thinking that "TWF" implies actually having the feats... :D

[Borror0]

You seem to be thinking that "TWF" implies actually having the feats... :D
LOL, nice. Even more since it's a fighter with monk levels. You'd think he found a few feat slots somewhere, right?

How do they come up with these things?! If I can come up with an optimized build in 5 to 10 minutes, it can't be that hard to build a decent build... right?

[Uska]

well for me to join a party most of the time I look and see who is in it or at least leading it I know several people who run raids now and if I see they are involved then I ask to join. Also when I am on certain of my characters I am usually asked by people who know me or have ran with me before. So make a list and watch for those players and if they know you they will surely join you

[Quikster]

Usually I try to be as self sufficent as possible. I put in my lfms BYOH/fast run/zerg/IP/Be able to get here etc. I usually leave all classes available. I like to start groups with one or two peeps I know I can count on to be the same.

Im not into helping new peeps most of the time unless they can keep up. I will take one or two once in a while, but currently I am burnt out teaching, unless its end game stuff.

[Roman]

If you are truly fully awesome then the other 5 or 11 people are irrelevent, so pug with whoever, or just solo it. But if you are only semi-fully awesome then acknoweldge you need the help of others and offer a little patience in helping the less-ubers to improve. The entire population will benefit from your teachings and pugs will grow and prosper in quality and talent. And there will be much rejoycing!

Seriously though, I totally understand where your coming from but nothing good will come from a segregation of uber and non-uber. If the skilled achievers do not pass on the knowledge to new/unskilled players then what will we have?

At this point in the game, is there any quest you can't solo or 2-man? Probably not. that leaves a lot or room for nooblets to come along and learn. If everyone would just pug 20% of every quest/raid the entire server population would prosper from it.

[Aranticus]

LOL, nice. Even more since it's a fighter with monk levels. You'd think he found a few feat slots somewhere, right?

How do they come up with these things?! If I can come up with an optimized build in 5 to 10 minutes, it can't be that hard to build a decent build... right?


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Ruad
Level 16 Lawful Good Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 4 Monk)
Hit Points: 360
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 8
Will: 4

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 16)
Strength 15 19
Dexterity 15 17
Constitution 18 21
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 8 8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 16

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Monk)




assuming human con and maxed out enhancements, +6 item, +2 exceptional, will get him to 30 con (+5 more hp per lvl for 80 hp), 70 toughness enhancements, minos +18, shroud + 45, +10 argon favor, +30 GFL total = 568 hp which means approx 2 toughness short :eek:

well same guy has a 400 hp sorc with 2 metas and a 500 hp cleric with only 1 meta :D

[Borror0]

well same guy has a 400 hp sorc with 2 metas and a 500 hp cleric with only 1 meta :D
Oh my... Eschew materials?

[Aranticus]

Oh my... Eschew materials?

i dunno but he is the only sorc i've seen that died while "soloing" rockie in shroud 2

[Borror0]

i dunno but he is the only sorc i've seen that died while "soloing" rockie in shroud 2
I died once. I fell asleep at the keyboard. XD

[Aranticus]

I died once. I fell asleep at the keyboard. XD

at least that is a valid excuse. he expected a cleric to keep him alive, he got hit, stoned and then mauled to death

[Quikster]

Even so, there is a new face to be dreaded in the Sarlona PUG scene - it seems everyone knows him by now. His LFM's seem to go unfilled for hours or days. So, generally, just take anyone - but have a list of people you KNOW suck, instead of the other way around. (I'm sure I've made this list myself ... )


If you need a hint, GS wielding non-healing non-listening human clerics FTW!


The Apocolypse is nigh'.

Watch it or you might get earthquaked. This is the only guy I have EVERY asked someone to drop his stone out of reach of the shrine and recall. We did, and we were happy for it. Rude, inconsiderate, doesnt care about the team, arrogant, makes inappropriate comments over party chat (Jannie loves Chauchie???). Twice I have been in group with him both times he was dropped, once by me, and once by someone else. I rarely drop peeps, sometimes I'll reform a group to get a friend in, but have rarely dropped peeps. This guy was in a group with the OP the other day in Therenal, I didnt realize it when I clicked on the lfm. Fortunately the OP never accepted me into the group, so instead I got to make some Vol runs. No boots though :(

[rest]

Watch it or you might get earthquaked. This is the only guy I have EVERY asked someone to drop his stone out of reach of the shrine and recall. We did, and we were happy for it. Rude, inconsiderate, doesnt care about the team, arrogant, makes inappropriate comments over party chat (Jannie loves Chauchie???). Twice I have been in group with him both times he was dropped, once by me, and once by someone else. I rarely drop peeps, sometimes I'll reform a group to get a friend in, but have rarely dropped peeps. This guy was in a group with the OP the other day in Therenal, I didnt realize it when I clicked on the lfm. Fortunately the OP never accepted me into the group, so instead I got to make some Vol runs. No boots though :(

lol Earthquaked. I was telling some guildies about that quote in your bio :D :D :D

[FluffyCalico]

Usually if I want good people in my party I click their name and select invite.

[Arnya]

Usually if I want good people in my party I click their name and select invite.

Yeah, then when they all decline you put up a LFM and take the first 5...

Be honest ;)

[FluffyCalico]

Yeah, then when they all decline you put up a LFM and take the first 5...

Be honest ;)

If you are having an issue with people declining stop sending blind invites. I don't send blind invites. As for taking the first 5, when I am doing normal you are right I just take the first 4 even if they PM something like "I'm new is that ok?" Lets face it if they can communicate and are willing to follow directions what else do you need on normal? Not that rare to see me have up a "1 spot left -started" sign either.

When I am in the mood for something that requires skill I manually invite people I know.

[Stormanne]

I rarely PUG, and then it's usually people that I've grouped with before. Prefer guildies, just easier when everyone works well together. Even easier when you worry more about having a good time than completing the quest...

[Arnya]

If you are having an issue with people declining stop sending blind invites. I don't send blind invites. As for taking the first 5, when I am doing normal you are right I just take the first 4 even if they PM something like "I'm new is that ok?" Lets face it if they can communicate and are willing to follow directions what else do you need on normal? Not that rare to see me have up a "1 spot left -started" sign either.

When I am in the mood for something that requires skill I manually invite people I know.

Heh, nice sarcastic reply to a sarcastic post.

Anyone else would have thought you missed the little smiley at the end of the post but I know better....

[GlassCannon]

Hold a /death party in town, then try to nag the devs into dropping a few Gelatinous Cubes on you.

After this, do the macarena on the ceiling naked and blindfolded with your clothing on(naked under the clothing) and scream "WoW SUCKS!!" 5 times at the top of your lungs. Make sure the neighbors hear you. If they live miles away, use a bullhorn.

Then, put up an LFM that says "If I have to give you directions, I will kick you from party. I am not a leader... Need guide™" and wait until it fills. ;)

[GlassCannon]

Yeah, then when they all decline you put up a LFM and take the first 5...

Be honest ;)

I always take the first applicants, so long as their class fits the quest need.

...unless they are on my Blacklist.


I only make exceptions to the "first come get it done" in hard quests like VoD and SoS.

[FluffyCalico]

Then, put up an LFM that says "If I have to give you directions, I will kick you from party. I am not a leader... Need guide™" and wait until it fills. ;)

For colanessance "We craw not run, and yes you can bring your camera along. I will make sure you see everything with time to snap pics of it."

Crucible on elite, "need opener, need maze, need swimmer" "level 10-11" while person with the lfm is 8.

[Kalari]

Booze...promises of lap dances..

wait that only works for my guild's lfm's or maybe the Harpers..

As to your question I dunno I just get lucky and when I dont and get **** parties I come crying to the forums for commiseration :p

I guess getting good players in your party boils really down to not sucking, makes it pretty easy to find other good players if your not a complete noob ^_^

[Sou1Hammer]

Hold a /death party in town, then try to nag the devs into dropping a few Gelatinous Cubes on you.

After this, do the macarena on the ceiling naked and blindfolded with your clothing on(naked under the clothing) and scream "WoW SUCKS!!" 5 times at the top of your lungs. Make sure the neighbors hear you. If they live miles away, use a bullhorn.

Then, put up an LFM that says "If I have to give you directions, I will kick you from party. I am not a leader... Need guide™" and wait until it fills. ;)

Ummm, yeah..... good luck with that.

[Kalanth]

To get good players in the party I use trial and error and being friendly. Figure out who is worth keeping and who the idiots are. I don't usually squelch people but if you get on my nerves or are a bad player I will remember who you are. Most people that I group with these days are in my guild already, but there are a few that I will go out of my way for and an equal amount that I will avoid like the plague.

When it comes to the new players I doubt I will have the patience to play with them and help them along. I have played this game for three years and it drives me nuts every time I come across an incompetent player in the now. September is going to suck...

[William_the_Bat]

I PUG a lot, as the guild I'm in is pretty small. I tend to take whoever clicks the join button, though if they are not of level or we are waiting for a healer I'll send them a tell explaining the problem. The level 4 guy trying to join a level 10 LFM probably could use the instruction.

I did have the opportunity to have in my party the other night a cleric with a bad reputation. I got numerous tells informing me of the fact that the human cleric wading into battle with two battle axes and not healing was a problem player. Gee, I couldn't have figured that one out. Fortunately, a guildie and I were able to explain to him how dual wielding works, how light weapons and the correct feats make his to-hit number go up to a useful level, how to see what his to-hit number is in the first place, and how sometimes, it's more effective to stop fighting and just heal everyone.

I'm not sure how well the lessons took, but he seemed to understand the to-hit thing at least.

The thing that gets me about this, is here's a guy who made it to level 9, and NO ONE had explained these things to him.

I understand that some people will give you the whole "don't tell me how to play my character" thing, but 9 times out of 10 someone doing something counter productive could really use some friendly advice. The problem is most of the advice they get is not of the friendly variety, and isn't as helpful.

But guys like that are pretty rare. Most PUGs once you leave the harbor will fill up with people who have some idea of what they are doing. And if you need "good players" to finish quests in the harbor... consider a hireling (grin).

[BelVic]

when I am not playing with guildies I do make LFM for pugs "blah..blah...blah..halflings sacrifice optional" . Besides getting tells how uber they halflings who can kick WF arse most of time I get good players or some old ppl who know me but playing their alts. ( many ppl go anon and not possible to see them on /who list). Also keeping all class choices open also helps unless you know some ppl can be weak and need make sure they don't die.

[Phidius]

Watch it or you might get earthquaked. This is the only guy I have EVERY asked someone to drop his stone out of reach of the shrine and recall. We did, and we were happy for it. Rude, inconsiderate, doesnt care about the team, arrogant, makes inappropriate comments over party chat (Jannie loves Chauchie???). Twice I have been in group with him both times he was dropped, once by me, and once by someone else. I rarely drop peeps, sometimes I'll reform a group to get a friend in, but have rarely dropped peeps. This guy was in a group with the OP the other day in Therenal, I didnt realize it when I clicked on the lfm. Fortunately the OP never accepted me into the group, so instead I got to make some Vol runs. No boots though :(

OK, confession time...

I picked up his stone, and dropped it into the lava as I was jumping down after the 3rd Seer in Madstone.

I only did it because I didn't want to carry his stone close enough to the shrine where he could rez, and I was afraid someone else might pick it up if I didn't. I just wanted a nice, clean end fight without having any loose cannons/peashooters running around.

This was the first time I've ever denied someone a rez... I know from some tells that others in the group approved, but I still don't feel good about it.

[Arnya]

The thing that gets me about this, is here's a guy who made it to level 9, and NO ONE had explained these things to him.

RTFM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM)

'Nuff said.

[William_the_Bat]

There's a manual for DDO?

[Arnya]

There's a manual for DDO?

Yup, in your game box :)

Also, in the game install folder is the manual in PDF format

Also, the latest version (;)) is available from ddo.com within 2 clicks of the main page.

[Quikster]

OK, confession time...

I picked up his stone, and dropped it into the lava as I was jumping down after the 3rd Seer in Madstone.

I only did it because I didn't want to carry his stone close enough to the shrine where he could rez, and I was afraid someone else might pick it up if I didn't. I just wanted a nice, clean end fight without having any loose cannons/peashooters running around.

This was the first time I've ever denied someone a rez... I know from some tells that others in the group approved, but I still don't feel good about it.

wow! Thats saying someting. I mean I would do that to anyone, but for you to do it, wow