Great news for mod 9.

[Ulurjah]

So Guys,

I know that everyone is anxiously awaiting mod 9, and of course everyone was disappointed when it was pushed back after finally having a solid, real, tangible release date. Of course, those of you who are aware of that will also realize the reason it was pushed back: namely because the store failed to work acceptably under load. Since the store is the center point of the game's relaunch under a new name, it was definitely a cause of concern that it failed under a stress test.

So last night they had a crazy stress test night. First off, they jacked the exp up to 10x. Every quest and optional had a 900% increase to experience given. I personally did level 1 to 10 just running through stuff on normal as fast as I could. I also got a chance to test the dreaded DA system, and I have to tell you it's not that bad. I was able to zerg Misery's Peak only having to turn around and kill things once, at the door where I usually would have anyway. I'd give a higher level example but I don't have higher level toons on Lamannia right now so I can't.

Anyway, on to the store. The first points deal with like 1400 points for $10 or something like that. I grabbed a 3300 point deal because I'd been intending to anyway and it was several dollars cheaper than their currently proposed final pricing. The later deal was much better though. For like two or three minutes, 400 points was only two dollars. I picked up four of that deal and was done in like 30 seconds on the store. It worked smoothly and without any glitches at all.

And the server was very stable despite tons of people on it. Far far far far more people than I see on my play server at any given time. About 10x the LFM's, people of all level ranges. The store was being absolutely battered throughout the night and never crashed or even showed signs of strain and slowing down.

I would say that the test last night is very solid great news for the release of mod9 on the currently scheduled day (Sept. 1st for those of us who are subscribers/vip's and Sept. 9th for everyone else).

Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies. I will be hoping that this message finds you, and finds you well.

[Harncw]

I'm sorry this post does not contain enough doom.

Seriously though... it's good to see a nice comment once a year or so :)

[Silverpoint]

Its very refreshing to have answers! The DDO team has been communicating with us and telling us what they are doing. I don't care if they push stuff back a little longer as long as it works right.

[EKKM]

Its very refreshing to have answers! The DDO team has been communicating with us and telling us what they are doing. I don't care if they push stuff back a little longer as long as it works right.

I have a suspicion that you may be in the minority on the forums...

[Mockduck]

Cool! Thanks for posting. I'm at Gen Con and was a little confused about how the Stress test went because of all the tech threads about live-Lammania downtime (apparently) this week. Good to see the test went well at least.

[GunboatDiplomat]

I can't believe some people are spending cash on turbine points for a mod thats been delayed for nearly a year. Then again I was always Mr. Cautious when it came to gambling with real world money...

[Ulurjah]

I can't believe some people are spending cash on turbine points for a mod thats been delayed for nearly a year. Then again I was always Mr. Cautious when it came to gambling with real world money...

The very fact that they are accepting money in the store at this time is a pretty good indicator that things are coming quickly to release now. Shutting down DDO would not be the end of Turbine. Shutting down DDO after getting people to purchase points with the promise that those points would be transferred to the live game... THAT would be disasterous to them. The legal ramifications are staggering.

Just saying.

[Cedrica-the-Bard]

Thank you for this post. It's nice to feel encouraged for a change! :)

[Hellllboy]

I also logged into the Beta Stress test last night. I found the performance of the store to be lag-free and did not experience any real performance issues while questing. The 10x XP was fun as well-got to level a FvS to about level 7-was very interesting. I think they should be just about ready-based on my experience.

[Ulurjah]

Thank you for this post. It's nice to feel encouraged for a change! :)

Yes, isn't it?



I also logged into the Beta Stress test last night. I found the performance of the store to be lag-free and did not experience any real performance issues while questing. The 10x XP was fun as well-got to level a FvS to about level 7-was very interesting. I think they should be just about ready-based on my experience.

That's my feeling too. Their IT guys and engineer's will know best of course, but even they seem optimistic, if this quote from one of their operations folks is any indication:


Would love to hear from as many people as possible regarding this stress test. It looked good from our side, just wanted to see if there were any issues. Thanks.


My guess is they have a few minor kinks to work out and this baby is ready.

[Hokiewa]

The very fact that they are accepting money in the store at this time is a pretty good indicator that things are coming quickly to release now. Shutting down DDO would not be the end of Turbine. Shutting down DDO after getting people to purchase points with the promise that those points would be transferred to the live game... THAT would be disasterous to them. The legal ramifications are staggering.

Just saying.

That's simple not an accurate indicator of success. They were "accepting" real money purchases from beta day 1.

[Ulurjah]

That's simple not an accurate indicator of success. They were "accepting" real money purchases from beta day 1.

There's a huge logical fallacy going on with the forums here. Everyone is all "dooooooommmm" because the mod was delayed. They use words like "again" often. But I've read through the history. While it's true the Dev's were optomistic for quite some months that things would come together sooner, obviously there were some outside factors which only became obvious once they announced DDO:U.

They have only ever delayed an actual concrete release date once. The first actual date they gave was for August, but got delayed due to a need for better code and better hardware (probably database throughput was a huge issue). They seem to have fixed the issues that caused the delay.

The point behind them accepting money and that being a good indicator is this: they have gone too far to cancel ddo now. Because DDO will not make or break Turbine as a company, it falling wouldn't be the end of the world for them. A class action lawsuit from all the people who've purchased points in the beta stress tests might be though. And it's a lawsuit that would have plenty of merit if ddo were to suddenly shut down now.

The problems are mostly fixed and the point of my thread was this: Given the performance during last nights stress test, I think we can all be optomistic about 18 days to go :)

[Hokiewa]

There's a huge logical fallacy going on with the forums here. Everyone is all "dooooooommmm" because the mod was delayed. They use words like "again" often. But I've read through the history. While it's true the Dev's were optomistic for quite some months that things would come together sooner, obviously there were some outside factors which only became obvious once they announced DDO:U.

They have only ever delayed an actual concrete release date once. The first actual date they gave was for August, but got delayed due to a need for better code and better hardware (probably database throughput was a huge issue). They seem to have fixed the issues that caused the delay.

The point behind them accepting money and that being a good indicator is this: they have gone too far to cancel ddo now. Because DDO will not make or break Turbine as a company, it falling wouldn't be the end of the world for them. A class action lawsuit from all the people who've purchased points in the beta stress tests might be though. And it's a lawsuit that would have plenty of merit if ddo were to suddenly shut down now.

The problems are mostly fixed and the point of my thread was this: Given the performance during last nights stress test, I think we can all be optomistic about 18 days to go :)

You were inaccurate. Problems or not, publishing a release date for a MMO through various multimedia sites then retracting it on a Thursday before release was incredibly misguided.

It's not about cancelling DDO. It's about insuring it's survivalibility. You can't very well invite F2P players into an open Beta, and expect them to stay around for the release. Nor can you expect subs that re-up'd for the supposed launch of DDO: EU/Mod 9 to remain. You have to understand, most of us get it that Turbine botches the majority of release dates/times. This was suppose to be different, for the first time they issued press releases confirming the date.

As far as problems being fixed go; There are bugs that date back to Day 1. Not the EU beta, but the original pre-launch beta. Your optimism maybe refreshing to some, and maybe this time they may actually get it right..........

Track record doesn't support it though

[Hokiewa]

They have only ever delayed an actual concrete release date once.

re-read your reply and this is entirely untrue. Look it up.

[Kalari]

Hope your right Ulurjah nice to see the test went well. I really am hoping to be proven wrong with my doubts.

[GunboatDiplomat]

The legal ramifications are staggering.


A class action lawsuit from all the people who've purchased points in the beta stress tests might be though. And it's a lawsuit that would have plenty of merit if ddo were to suddenly shut down now.

Good luck in getting a lawyer to respresent you in your 50 buck claims. 100 x 50 isnt going to make it much more attractive either. Even 1000 x 50 (thats 50k for you arts graduates out there) isn't worth a lawyer bothering with given the hassle of administrating the whole thing and the legal minefield that purchase of 'virtual items' represents. What were you actually buying? Are you sure it wasn't points to use just in the Beta? Is there an indemnity clause somewhere in the small print?

Or you could pursue your claims individually in a small claims court, for a fee of around 50 bucks....

I'm just kidding though, I don't think Turbines going to run off with people money like that.

But what if they go bust? What if the CFO is just about to tell the Board that all of the companys assets were put into what he 'thought' was a real safe maritime deal transporting timber in europe. What could go wrong, right?

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2009/08/20098131498428137.html

And oops, didn't notice the terrorism exclusion clause in the insurance. Oh dear.

All I'm saying is don't think my buddy from work is going to run off with my wallet. But I'm not going to leave it on the bar when wer're having a bbeer and I go to the john.

[Kalanth]

I can't believe some people are spending cash on turbine points for a mod thats been delayed for nearly a year. Then again I was always Mr. Cautious when it came to gambling with real world money...

I am right there with you. I will hold out for as long as it is humanly possible without spending one dime outside of the subscription fee for being a VIP.

[Drekisen]

re-read your reply and this is entirely untrue. Look it up.

Actually what Ulurjah said is completely true. While there were speculations as to the release of MOD 9, there never was an official release date announced.

So in actuality it only has been delayed once, and that was for the supposed Aug 4th release.

BTW, MOD 9 is not even in existance anymore......the new update is for DDO:EU

[Ulurjah]

Well,

I am fairly new around here as a subscriber. I was a long time Asheron's Call veteran, as well as Asheron's Call 2. In fact, last I knew, my account still hosts one of the dereth museum cottages on frostfell heh. I'm very familiar with Turbine's bugs. But the thing is, ever game has bugs. I play WoW with my wife and there are bugs that were there when I beta tested WoW more than five years ago.

And there's some things "wrong" with DDO that were there when I beta tested that a few years ago.

And if I'm wrong, I apologize. But from my understanding, the press release announcing an actual date for mod 9 was the first time they gave an actual date confirmed. So in that sense, they've only pushed back an official release date once. Yes, I know they hinted at and made posts saying things were hopefully coming by certain times. But that's different than having press releases and an official release date for the mod plastered all over the place.

And if you think no lawyer would take a class action case against a major player in the game industry ... you don't know lawyers very well, heh :)

[Ranmaru2]

Good luck in getting a lawyer to respresent you in your 50 buck claims. 100 x 50 isnt going to make it much more attractive either. Even 1000 x 50 (thats 50k for you arts graduates out there) isn't worth a lawyer bothering with given the hassle of administrating the whole thing and the legal minefield that purchase of 'virtual items' represents. What were you actually buying? Are you sure it wasn't points to use just in the Beta? Is there an indemnity clause somewhere in the small print?

Or you could pursue your claims individually in a small claims court, for a fee of around 50 bucks....

I'm just kidding though, I don't think Turbines going to run off with people money like that.

But what if they go bust? What if the CFO is just about to tell the Board that all of the companys assets were put into what he 'thought' was a real safe maritime deal transporting timber in europe. What could go wrong, right?

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2009/08/20098131498428137.html

And oops, didn't notice the terrorism exclusion clause in the insurance. Oh dear.

All I'm saying is don't think my buddy from work is going to run off with my wallet. But I'm not going to leave it on the bar when wer're having a bbeer and I go to the john.

I actually know a lawyer who plays DDO who might take this up if e'er it was needed :D

[Kalari]

Your not wrong they only missed their first aired release date for EU which was august 4th

The problem is the way they announced it four days before the mods launch came on top of months of dangling the danged mod to a rabid and hungry for something new player base. The fact that many of us suffered threw the first tdm download of lama saw that yes they had mod 9 ready then got it yanked from us told "wait and see" then got the EU bomb dropped on us.

Like I said I really hope what your reporting is true. This series of mishaps has made the company lose any ounce of credibility in my eyes and I know im not alone in that sentiment. But I dont wish this game to tank I dont want to cry doom and I hope EU turns things around so that more can be given to this game. Its still more unique then other mmo's ive tried it just needs better care then what its been given.

[srwood]

Beyond all the bickering about dates etc:

I agree with your OP. I only check on to Beta during stress tests anymore(play live normally) & everything was running surprisingly well last night. Not only did they have FAR more people online than any other time I've seen(including other stress test) but they were dropping Beholders into the market & things were STILL running fine with people actually running all over the place & fighting IN the market - let alone the constant instance changing that was going on with everyone when people would call out something happening in the instance they were in. I've bought points in the last 3 tests and this is the first time my transaction has gone through on the first try. It was almost shocking to see the receipt directly after my first attempt when the points went on sale.

Point is - I agree it sucks that the game has been continually pushed back, but they have made very visible improvements since the last time the date date shifted & that really is good news. Last night was the first time I actually thought to myself, "wow - maybe they really did need this extra time"

[Hokiewa]

Actually what Ulurjah said is completely true. While there were speculations as to the release of MOD 9, there never was an official release date announced.

So in actuality it only has been delayed once, and that was for the supposed Aug 4th release.

BTW, MOD 9 is not even in existance anymore......the new update is for DDO:EU

You are completely wrong. The Aug 4th date was announced on many gaming websites.

[Hokiewa]

Actually what Ulurjah said is completely true. While there were speculations as to the release of MOD 9, there never was an official release date announced.

So in actuality it only has been delayed once, and that was for the supposed Aug 4th release.

BTW, MOD 9 is not even in existance anymore......the new update is for DDO:EU

And not only on at least 5 websites I know, it was announced publicly on Turbine.com and DDO.com.......Interviews with producers were published with the announced date


Seriously....just wrong

[Ulurjah]

You are completely wrong. The Aug 4th date was announced on many gaming websites.

Ok this is kind of a dumb thing to argue about. But you know what they say about arguing on the internet. Anyway, I was right. August 4th was the only set in stone date they gave for mod9/EU that has been pushed back. Anything they said prior to that was never an official release date, nor were there interviews, gaming site news or press releases.

In that sense, they've only delayed the mod once.

[WolfSpirit]

I like the positive post. Makes me near certain that September is it. Positive Rep for you! Don't let all the doomsayers get ya down, they are all over the place looking for some spot of rain in the sunshine. Thanks for the heads up on the functioning!

[Ulurjah]

I like the positive post. Makes me near certain that September is it. Positive Rep for you! Don't let all the doomsayers get ya down, they are all over the place looking for some spot of rain in the sunshine. Thanks for the heads up on the functioning!

No problem. The stress test was really exciting last night. Everything worked, the server was jam packed with people. Everywhere I went there was at least 50+ people on my screen (except instances of course). The store was fast and responsive, the server was fast and responsive. No observable bugs that I saw. It was just really smooth. So I think we really are going to see the 09/01/09 VIP release :)

[Hokiewa]

Ok this is kind of a dumb thing to argue about. But you know what they say about arguing on the internet. Anyway, I was right. August 4th was the only set in stone date they gave for mod9/EU that has been pushed back. Anything they said prior to that was never an official release date, nor were there interviews, gaming site news or press releases.

In that sense, they've only delayed the mod once.

So a statement issued stating Aug 4th for VIPs wasn't an offical release date? lmao, try again. Are you even reading what your typing? The contradictions fly.

Several mods were delayed, hence several loot/xp weekends, gifts....

It's not a dumb thing to argue that your OP is flawed. Your painting a picture that simply isn't true. Anyway, I do like your optimism.....in a "I'm gonna feel bad when your disappointed" way. Keep your chin up though!

[Ulurjah]

So a statement issued stating Aug 4th for VIPs wasn't an offical release date? lmao, try again. Are you even reading what your typing? The contradictions fly.

Several mods were delayed, hence several loot/xp weekends, gifts....

It's not a dumb thing to argue that your OP is flawed. Your painting a picture that simply isn't true. Anyway, I do like your optimism.....in a "I'm gonna feel bad when your disappointed" way. Keep your chin up though!

Thanks for yet another sarcastic answer that shows that you still haven't actually read what I've said or understood it. Since the August 4th/6th release date was the first time they gave an actual date to release mod9/EU ... they've only officially delayed it once. From August 4th/6th to September 1st/9th. It is true that going back to late last year they have made comments to the effect that they hoped to have things ready "soon" or "by anniversary" or any other such posts... but never until June did they actually give a release date. And that release date has only been pushed back once.

And for good reason.

And now that reason appears to be very solidly fixed and working great. Which was the point of my post in the first place.

I know you're bitter that you've been waiting a long time, and you feel betrayed because the devs were optomistic on their internal timeframe for all of this. But that doesn't change the fact that they never gave an official date prior to the Aug. 4th/6th date, and therefore they have only actually officially pushed the release back once.

Facts versus feelings. Facts win every time.

[Hokiewa]

Thanks for yet another sarcastic answer that shows that you still haven't actually read what I've said or understood it. Since the August 4th/6th release date was the first time they gave an actual date to release mod9/EU ... they've only officially delayed it once. From August 4th/6th to September 1st/9th. It is true that going back to late last year they have made comments to the effect that they hoped to have things ready "soon" or "by anniversary" or any other such posts... but never until June did they actually give a release date. And that release date has only been pushed back once.

And for good reason.

And now that reason appears to be very solidly fixed and working great. Which was the point of my post in the first place.

I know you're bitter that you've been waiting a long time, and you feel betrayed because the devs were optomistic on their internal timeframe for all of this. But that doesn't change the fact that they never gave an official date prior to the Aug. 4th/6th date, and therefore they have only actually officially pushed the release back once.

**edited in**

Your right, facts trump feelings all the time. My facts win over your positive feelings. Lol

Facts versus feelings. Facts win every time.

Yawn...I actually have no feelings either way at this point. I'm pointing out the fallacy that this is only mod delayed. I get your point. This isn't the only time though that mods have been delayed, that's the fallacy. You can paint a rosy picture about Mod 9/EU being delayed once, but it's not an accurate portrayal as far as DDO content/delays/downtime delays go. Again, I welcome your optimism, your facts though are incorrect. Go ahead and reply, I won't, simply saving you the embarassment.

[Ulurjah]

Yawn...I actually have no feelings either way at this point. I'm pointing out the fallacy that this is only mod delayed. I get your point. This isn't the only time though that mods have been delayed, that's the fallacy. You can paint a rosy picture about Mod 9/EU being delayed once, but it's not an accurate portrayal as far as DDO content/delays/downtime delays go. Again, I welcome your optimism, your facts though are incorrect. Go ahead and reply, I won't, simply saving you the embarassment.

No, what I said was this is the only time that this mod has been officially delayed. Big difference :) I'm not talking about all the mods or ddo content ever. I never was. You didn't take the time to read what I'm saying, and made a poor assumption. The facts I've stated about the particular's I've stated are correct.

The only embarassment here is your own I'm afraid.

[Hokiewa]

No, what I said was this is the only time that this mod has been officially delayed. Big difference :) I'm not talking about all the mods or ddo content ever. I never was. You didn't take the time to read what I'm saying, and made a poor assumption. The facts I've stated about the particular's I've stated are correct.

The only embarassment here is your own I'm afraid.

ahaha, ok! See ya in month!

[srwood]

never until June did they actually give a release date. And that release date has only been pushed back once.

And for good reason.

And now that reason appears to be very solidly fixed and working great. Which was the point of my post in the first place.



/signed.

It is very obvious that they have taken great strides with the beta since the Aug date was pushed back & in all reality it has made the game that will go live better than what we would've had if they kept the date.

[Ulurjah]

ahaha, ok! See ya in month!

If they delay it again sometime before 18 days from now, it won't change the fact that as of today, they've only officially delayed the release of mod9/EU once. From August 4th/6th to Sept. 1st/9th. If they delayed it again, then at that point, it would be twice :)

[Hokiewa]

No, what I said was this is the only time that this mod has been officially delayed. Big difference :) I'm not talking about all the mods or ddo content ever. I never was. You didn't take the time to read what I'm saying, and made a poor assumption. The facts I've stated about the particular's I've stated are correct.

The only embarassment here is your own I'm afraid.

Actually you did....Right here...



They have only ever delayed an actual concrete release date once. The first actual date they gave was for August, but got delayed due to a need for better code and better hardware (probably database throughput was a huge issue).


And that statement is false.

[Drekisen]

And not only on at least 5 websites I know, it was announced publicly on Turbine.com and DDO.com.......Interviews with producers were published with the announced date


Seriously....just wrong

Seriously read my reply better, I seriously wrote that the only time it was delayed was for August 4th 2009, so would u like to tell me how I was wrong, when I did in fact say that was the only offical release date so far.

All other indications of of a release were speculation, never official.

[srwood]

Go ahead and reply, I won't, simply saving you the embarassment.

That statement is false.

[Ulurjah]

Actually you did....Right here...



And that statement is false.

Context. "a release date" is attached to mod9/eu. Since there was only one official release date ever given for it prior to the pushback, the statement is correct. Don't blame me if you can't follow a complex premise and find the subject.

[wamjratl1]

Just when you thought it was safe to take someone off of your ignore list...




Thanks for the update, Ulurjah. Haven't had a chance to participate in Bet so it's nice to hear the feedback.

[Kerrn_Siff]

So Guys,

blah blah blah

And no good thing ever dies.

so my mom was bad?

.. mom? .. =(

[Johnscapey]

So... I came home today and was looking through the threads, and I saw this one person repeatedly posting negative responses, and decided to do some looking. Checked out their post history... wow, talk about a little ball of negativity that can't help but step in on the happiness of anyone else and squish it. Hokie is apparently the reason that people get fed up and start buying guns. Chill on the negativity. If someone is happy and it bothers you, go talk to a shrink about it, but seriously, leave them their happiness.

[Ulurjah]

so my mom was bad?

.. mom? .. =(

It was definitely a good movie quote anyway. And since you remember your mom, does she not still live in your heart and memory?

[Kerrn_Siff]

It was definitely a good movie quote anyway. And since you remember your mom, does she not still live in your heart and memory?

she does, and in a nice condo in the DC area still. :)

[Stormanne]

I look at it in this way. Had the mod dropped on time, I'd be wasting my vacation in front of my computer. As it is now, my fiance and I are going to spend four days at a mountain cabin on the Greenbrier River in WV. No computer, no cell phones, and no one to disturb us.

[winsom]

wait a second.. is the Beta server sometimes offering "sales" on purchasing Turbine Points?

My understanding is that any purchased Points during beta will also be available on your live account once EU goes live (since you are using real money).
Is this true?

I want to know if I should log into beta more often to buy points at a "discount" compared to a likely relatively-higher price once EU launches ?

I had not considered buying any TP during beta at all, since I plan to be a VIP for some months yet. But if I can get a discount compared to live....

[Kalari]

I look at it in this way. Had the mod dropped on time, I'd be wasting my vacation in front of my computer. As it is now, my fiance and I are going to spend four days at a mountain cabin on the Greenbrier River in WV. No computer, no cell phones, and no one to disturb us.

I can already hear the bom chicka wa wa :) hehe

[Ulurjah]

wait a second.. is the Beta server sometimes offering "sales" on purchasing Turbine Points?

My understanding is that any purchased Points during beta will also be available on your live account once EU goes live (since you are using real money).
Is this true?

I want to know if I should log into beta more often to buy points at a "discount" compared to a likely relatively-higher price once EU launches ?

That is correct. The discount last night was greater than half price. It was really nice. 400 points will be $6.95 normally. Last night it was $2.00 ... for like 3 minutes heh.

[srwood]

wait a second.. is the Beta server sometimes offering "sales" on purchasing Turbine Points?

My understanding is that any purchased Points during beta will also be available on your live account once EU goes live (since you are using real money).
Is this true?

I want to know if I should log into beta more often to buy points at a "discount" compared to a likely relatively-higher price once EU launches ?

I had not considered buying any TP during beta at all, since I plan to be a VIP for some months yet. But if I can get a discount compared to live....

Yep -I would assume they'll run some sales for the " closing party". That was one of the main factors for me to log into Beta during the Stress Tests recently, they ran sales specifically to test the system. It wasn't an all the time thing though, it was just on nights that they were stress testing (ie last night).





edit: I actually typed wasn't not.... wow.