Forums and the Kind Hearted

[AkromaAoW]

As I was watching TV last night, my wife was questing, and she had a House Tharashk chat panel open. At one point, I was looking over her shoulder as she was typing in chat, and I saw a long time friend of mine post a statement that struck me as quite profound. In this conversation she was having, another indicated a desire for my wife to post on the forums. Before my wife responded, my good friend posted that the forums were not a place for the kind hearted. His comment stunned me with its simple truth and also struck at the heart of an ongoing issue I've been having. It’s why I’m posting.

Ever since I pulled Eriik from guild life, back before the server merge, my main goal in the land of DDO has been to meet and help people. I'm not talking about questing with just those people that are adept, but with nearly anyone on Thelanis who had a need or asked. As a guildless pugger for two plus years, this is what I did. I helped people, not just when it was convenient or the person was a friend, but whenever there was a need, and I was able. I also posted from time to time on the DDO forums.

Back in January, I took a bit of a break from DDO. Like many, I was having a hard time logging in to run the same stuff I had run a thousand times before. Also, about the same time, more and more LFMs seemed to appear of the "fast run", "no noobs", and "in progress" varieties. In general, it seemed that many of the kinder, gentler folks started disappearing from DDO, and the bulk of the remaining population were perhaps a more capable, but less tolerant and friendly lot. All in all, it seemed like a good time to take a break until the next mod appeared, as it was coming soon ;).

The Mrs. and I signed up for Age of Conan, and on any typical day, I would log into DDO, and then disappear over to AoC. This was the way I gamed from January to March. Since I was largely out of DDO, I attempted to stay in touch on the forums. That was a mistake. Based on what I saw as a population and personality change on Thelanis, I thought joining a guild would be a good idea. It wasn't a new idea, I had thought about it before, but I was concerned earlier that being in a guild might interfere with my desire to help my fellow Thelanians. As of January, with things the way they appeared to me, this wasn't as big of a concern anymore.

As I was largely out of game at the time, I decided to take my guild quest back to the forums, and as I mentioned, there was my mistake. Certain individuals took exception to my resurrected guild post. To perhaps paraphrase these individuals, I am nothing more than a self promoting narcissist. To make a long and painful story shorter, my exchange with these individuals did little for me other than to remove me from their play circle, plague me with forum stalkers, get LFMs posted at me, and get me the occasional less than nice tell. It also caused me to reevaluate the folks whose company I was keeping and cement my desire to find a better situation - a guild.

The point of dredging up all this is because of the simple fact that was uttered by my friend, Galvos. Forums are not for the kind hearted. We cannot thrive here among the people that spend time growing hate. We are a softer sort. We attempt to be kind to others and sensitive to how our actions affect them. We can be duped and deceived because we want to see the good in people and take them at their word. We are gullible. In the end, we are easy targets for those with less concern for their fellow man.

So, what do we do? I'm not sure what someone like Trissa would do. I will likely slowly disappear from the forums here as I already have at House Tharashk. I have lost the desire to try to participate in a medium that makes it so easy to spread hate. It is beyond my understanding that people do so for entertainment. I just can't wrap my small mind around it. I'm not wired that way.

With mod 9 coming next week, I'd like to think that I'll be there (in game, not likely posting here on the forums) if needed to lend my fellow Thelanians (old and new, skilled or newbie) a hand. Truthfully, I know that times have changed, and my guildies will now come first. Still, if you can get past all the drama and hate, and remember what I seek to do (and perhaps what I can do), I'll still gladly help out when I may.

Be well, Thelanis, and be kind to each other. I'll see you around Stormreach.

E.

[rezo]

So very true, people forget at this is just a game we play and not a life.

[spifflove]

Don't worry, the game will be afresh with new online one buy supporters who you can be helpful to all over again. Questions that were resolved 3 years ago are being asked all over again.

I answer those questions patiently, not because I don't grate inside but because I want Turbine to succeed and hope that some of these players will become like the rest of us one day.

[bartcom2000]

+1 rep for you dude.....

It is amazing how polar opposites can have similar intrests.............:confused:

[Impaqt]

here we go again.....


Seriously. Whether your Kind, or mean, or happy, or angry, or whatever has little bearing on whether or not you "Belong" on the forums.

Its how thick your skin is that matters. The forums are not a place for people with Thin Skin.

There are plenty of "Kind Hearted" people around these forums every day. Saying this is no place for them is an insult.

You seem to put quite the effort into creating these Dramatic & Profound posts.... Do you ever really think about how it reads to folks? Pompus mostly.....

I've got a lot of respect for ya. and your welcome in my groups anytime, But seriously, Ya creep me out more and more every time ya post.

[Memnir]

I have to respectfully disagree wholeheartedly.
I at least think of myself as a kind person. My main objective is to try to raise a smile here and there - with varying degrees of success. Sure, I get into a few hackles-raised conversations now and again - but I try to not lose sight of my goal to be a positive factor on the forums more often than not. What Galvos said is not a fact it's simply an opinion... and one I think is flat-out wrong.

Just like the world itself, it takes all kinds to make the forum go round.

[KingOfCheese]

Its how thick your skin is that matters. The forums are not a place for people with Thin Skin.



I think you could put the word "community" in place of "forums" here. It seems that any large group of people that share a physical or virtual space has issues with competition, bullying, a small loud minority making the most noise, etc. One's expectations about the group's behavior cause one to be happy or not in such an environment. I am always impressed with the amount of helpful and kind behavior on the forums. The fact that there is a lot of less-than-quality behavior around only makes these helpful and kind posts and people stand out all the more. If one assumes that the community will be noisy, brash, rowdy, and sometimes mean or even hateful, than one can take full joy in diamonds among the rough--and there are plenty of diamonds. An unfortunate down-side of group human nature is that some people are driven away by it that would otherwise be a nice balance to the darker aspects of the community. A healthy community needs thick skinned helpful/kind people to keep things balanced-even though such participation may, at times, be frustrating.

[cdbd3rd]

Don't worry, the game will be afresh with new online one buy supporters who you can be helpful to all over again. Questions that were resolved 3 years ago are being asked all over again.

I answer those questions patiently, not because I don't grate inside but because I want Turbine to succeed and hope that some of these players will become like the rest of us one day.

Same here - until it gets into long winded debates/monologues about how this isn't in PnP, PnP doesn't work like that, PnP this that & the other..... etc.

I tried. Even tried to throw some humor at it all once whjen the debate turned to how tall Drow were really supposed to be.


I asked how tall a real Drow was..... :cool:


Could've went better. :rolleyes:

[Strakeln]

Well, currently there's the House T forums and the Vault. I'm unsure about the House T forums but the Vault is a less-kind, less-gentle version of the DDO forums.

There's nothing saying you can't create and host something that is essentially the opposite of the Vault: a highly censored forum that only allows "flowers and ponies" posts.

[Murgatroyd]

I'm with Mem on this one. You don't need to be thick skinned to peruse the forums.

There's no need to take anything personal online. We're all shrouded in a sort of anonymity and the fact is we'll probably never see the other person in real life. You annoy me? Well with a simple click I can ignore you.

When I think of online arguments two pictures come to mind: (maybe NSFW)
Internet Tough Guy (http://www.motleycrow.com/ImageHost/InternetToughGuy.jpg)
Special Olympics (http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OgAAACkrOUVo-_4MrwKAEwLcKP-B49UOnTwqPtdowI5Alyr84ndfnEaURQuqKoI_P4gd3rhCTerqV qtV8CXWLiQHaZ4Am1T1UNMtHjbRNFgI8qPclTaQ5jICBW4E.jp g)

Everyone needs to remember that this is a game and we're here to have fun. Then again some people have fun being a jerk and it fuels them when people get infuriated. :D

[Bunker]

Last time I checked, and first time I checked, DDO is a game. It is a outlet from real life. A way to pass the time. You may even call it a hobby. When we all started DDO, it was about playing a game and kicking back.

E: Even kind hearted ppl can be wacky and crazy, stepping outside the box to have a bit of fun. Sure, we all know that it is much easier to step outside that box when in front of a computer screen. But seriously, isn't this game, whether playing or using the forums about having a good time. I really don't think there is only 1 way to do this. Every subscriber has his/her idea of how to have fun.

What I see as a BIG difference in players enjoyment of the game is how much the sweat the small stuff. Sure, we all have seen over the past 3 years, good and bad comments, shady and sweet deals in trading, likes and dislikes when grouping with fellow gamers. At the end of the day, don't sweat the small stuff.

I use to comment to Shyv about how players would get so frustrated in game that they would log off. Now isn't this kind of a backword philosophy? I mean, the game is here for recreation and relaxation. So why is it that these players end up more stressed and jacked up after playing instead of before they log in. /scratchhead

Being kind hearted has a lot of qualities. There are many things a person can do, and be, and represent, and live to show that they are kind hearted. However, in game personnas do not encapsulate what a person in Real Life is all about. Players see something happen in game like you mentioned : LFMS such as zerg, fast play, no noobs, in progress.....but this does not have anything to do with whether they are kind hearted or not. These are players out to have a good time, doing what they consider fun, enjoying and spending thier recreational time wisely.

Basically, what I'm saying is if you bother to sweat the small stuff, and not find out anything real about a person, chances are you will miss out on what they are really about. I guarantee that we all have said good stuff about bad people and bad stuff about good people. Welcome to the world of assumptions and stereotyping. What is most important is that you just let it be. Why bother sweating over the small stuff on a regular basis. Rather try enjoying what you do and who you are around and leave it at that.

Die Thelanis, and be evil to each other. See you around Stormreach.:D


p.s. That last line is just to be the opposite of Eriik's last line. Doesn't mean i'm mean, cruel or evil or not kind hearted. Just me joking. Having fun, doing what a game is all about.

[bartcom2000]

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E: Even kind hearted ppl can be wacky and crazy, stepping outside the box to have a bit of fun. Sure, we all know that it is much easier to step outside that box when in front of a computer screen. But seriously, isn't this game, whether playing or using the forums about having a good time. I really don't think there is only 1 way to do this. Every subscriber has his/her idea of how to have fun............

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awweeee Bunker stop...your embarrasing me.....;)

[Bunker]

awweeee Bunker stop...your embarrasing me.....;)

You are a perfect example bartcom2000. I read so interesting posts you have on the forums. I don't know if I have quested with you or not. But if I take a post of yours that i dont' think is kind hearted, so be it.

I'm sure everyone knows whether or not they are being cruel or cool. Let them figure it out. I will be out chopping a head off a devil.

[KingOfCheese]

I'm sure everyone knows whether or not they are being cruel or cool. Let them figure it out. I will be out chopping a head off a devil.

I'm not so sure everyone knows. Some of the biggest problem people might, at best, have a sense of it--but I'm not sure they actually know.

There was an interesting study conducted on competence and people's perception of their own competence and the competence of others (I wish I had the cite for this study, but I don't). The conclusion of the study was that highly competent people tended to be skeptical about their own competence and were excellent judges of the competence of others. The least competent tended to have very little perspective of their own competence (they viewed themselves as extremely competent, when they were not) and had very little ability to judge the competence of others (they couldn't distinguish the highly competent from the incompetent). In my own life experience, this study rings true across a wide range of competences--both profession and personal. I think some people really can't judge when they are being mean or offensive or can only slightly judge it. And they also can't parse the good behavior of others so as to model their own behavior to achieve the rewards of such good behavior. Even when presented with evidence of their incompetence, the least competent did not get it or believe it (think American Idol bad singers).

Now clearly some of the forum's biggest meanies know what they are doing and relish it. But I think many do not know or do not completely know (even if told).

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Eriik,
I haven't had the chance to play much this year. Plus I've semi-retired my capped chars with the promise of XP coming soon. :(

But I really hope to group with you and the Mrs whenever I can.

New Mod 4th. Looks like my ship will actually be in port the afternoon of the 4th. Not sure if I can find a place to set up all my gear (wireless card, laptop, headphones, mouse, keyboard...a little privacy so I don't look like a geek) and be comfortible grouping and bringing my A game. But I will definately play as much as I can.

Anyway, I think I feel the same way you do. Too many people going over to the darkside lately.

I've been much happier playing with newer players on my lowbies.

I log onto my main every chance I get, look at the LFMs and usually see comments that make me not want to join those people.

I read the furums at work, and usually see post after post about some tipic that does not appeal to me.

Trissa seems to have vanished lately too. (heard she defected to LotRs :) )

I still think you should start your own guild (or let the Mrs do it) and build up a folloing of like minded players.
I'm going to try to recruit into mine eventually, but not till I'm out of the Navy and can play regulary again. (November can't come soon enough!)

Anyway, hope you are still around then. We need more people like you, not less. Only way to fight the Legions of Evil is to show more and more people the light of truth, friendliness and fairplay.

[bartcom2000]

I'm not so sure everyone knows. Some of the biggest problem people might, at best, have a sense of it--but I'm not sure they actually know.

There was an interesting study conducted on competence and people's perception of their own competence and the competence of others (I wish I had the cite for this study, but I don't). The conclusion of the study was that highly competent people tended to be skeptical about their own competence and were excellent judges of the competence of others. The least competent tended to have very little perspective of their own competence (they viewed themselves as extremely competent, when they were not) and had very little ability to judge the competence of others (they couldn't distinguish the highly competent from the incompetent). In my own life experience, this study rings true across a wide range of competences--both profession and personal. I think some people really can't judge when they are being mean or offensive or can only slightly judge it. And they also can't parse the good behavior of others so as to model their own behavior to achieve the rewards of such good behavior. Even when presented with evidence of their incompetence, the least competent did not get it or believe it (think American Idol bad singers).

Now clearly some of the forum's biggest meanies know what they are doing and relish it. But I think many do not know or do not completely know (even if told).


ummmm....ok.....remind me not to get into a war of words with you bro.....lol

in short

People with real skill realize they are have room to get better, While others are forced to criticly analyze the skill of other due to a lack of personal skill.

Substituitive translation

People that are conscience of the effect their social interaction has on others realize that their is always room for behavioral improvement while others blindly criticize and rant due to a lack of their own individual worth....

hmmmmmm interesting........

I think I need an asprin now dude.......

How did that shroud go lastnight Socky!

[Arlith]

awweeee Bunker stop...your embarrasing me.....;)

You? Embarrassed?? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!


Oh that's rich...

Umm... Sorry... please continue...

[SpanishBlueEyes]

*hugs* :D

[AkromaAoW]

here we go again.....


Seriously. Whether your Kind, or mean, or happy, or angry, or whatever has little bearing on whether or not you "Belong" on the forums.

Its how thick your skin is that matters. The forums are not a place for people with Thin Skin.

There are plenty of "Kind Hearted" people around these forums every day. Saying this is no place for them is an insult.

You seem to put quite the effort into creating these Dramatic & Profound posts.... Do you ever really think about how it reads to folks? Pompus mostly.....

I've got a lot of respect for ya. and your welcome in my groups anytime, But seriously, Ya creep me out more and more every time ya post.

Yes, I am in error here. I think that any designation as kind or helpful, and the two are different, has to come from outside. I overstepped. Let me say that I have tried very hard to be both kind and helpful. My success on these characteristics has to be determined from others. I don't get to decide that I belong in either group. I am helpful and kind if people I interact with believe me to be so. Keep in mind that a kind person need not be helpful, nor a helpful person kind. We have plenty of helpful people on Thelanis (and the forums), like those that will let you have completion if you can find your way to a quest in progress, but we don't have nearly as many kind people that will also help the people find the quest, for example.

About the thick skin, I have found that when I am with a kindly person, I seldom need it.

About sounding pompus, I can see where that comes from. I'll give you that I am pompus if my statements are found to be false or exaggerated. If they are true, there is no pomp. Again, I don't get to decide this. Either I have been devoted to being kind and helpful to people or I haven't. If I have, then it's fact. If I haven't, it's arrogance. If it is arrogance, then I am certainly willing to try harder.



I have to respectfully disagree wholeheartedly.
I at least think of myself as a kind person. My main objective is to try to raise a smile here and there - with varying degrees of success. Sure, I get into a few hackles-raised conversations now and again - but I try to not lose sight of my goal to be a positive factor on the forums more often than not. What Galvos said is not a fact it's simply an opinion... and one I think is flat-out wrong.

Just like the world itself, it takes all kinds to make the forum go round.

Like I said above Mem, I am in error. We don't get to decide if we are kind or helpful. If we attempt to be, and we succeed, and others believe it be so, then we are. No amount of thinking ourselves to be so changes that. The more people that find us to be helpful and/or kind, the stronger the indication, IMO.

[bartcom2000]

You? Embarrassed?? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!


Oh that's rich...

Umm... Sorry... please continue...



Yeah your right who am i kidding.....

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Yes, I am in error here. I think that any designation as kind or helpful, and the two are different, has to come from outside. I overstepped. Let me say that I have tried very hard to be both kind and helpful. My success on these characteristics has to be determined from others. I don't get to decide that I belong in either group. I am helpful and kind if people I interact with believe me to be so. Keep in mind that a kind person need not be helpful, nor a helpful person kind. We have plenty of helpful people on Thelanis, those that will let you have completion if you can find your way to a quest in progress, but we don't have nearly as many kind people that will also help the people find the quest, for example.

About the thick skin, I have found that when I am with a kindly person, I seldom need it.

About sounding pompus, I can see where that comes from. I'll give you that I am pompus if my statements are found to be false or exaggerated. If they are true, there is no pomp. Again, I don't get to decide this. Either I have been devoted to helping people as my goal or I haven't. If I have, then it's fact. If I haven't, it's arrogance.




Like I said above Mem, I am in error. We don't get to decide if we are kind or helpful. If we attempt to be, and we succeed, and others believe it be so, then we are. No amount of thinking ourselves to be so changes that. The more people that find us to be helpful and/or kind, the stronger the indication, IMO.

I'd say you're helpful and kind in-game. And other's have said it too.

RL? I think so, but Eriik's a little quiet at times. :) Difficult to know the real you.
But you're definately fun to game with.

Add the Mrs into the equation and the fun lvl multiplies exponentially. You guys and your friends and family that hang out in-game with you are among the kindest and most helpful gamers I know....plus fun and successful at the hardst quests.
Win/win all around IMO.

I'm really glad that we have someone who is a top notch gamer who can succeed n the hardest quests, and who strives to be a nice guy as well.

I've tried to helpful to most people, but although my chars are ok, they aren't quite at the top of ability....so it's dificult to be a real credible leader for me. Plus the Lone Coyote attitude I have. But you've got people who have you're back, and the success of a great build too.

Not sure if you or the Mrs are the real leader, but actually what I like most about running with you guys is a feeling that there is no leader, just like minded synergy.
Helpful suggestions, but even those are given only when coordination is needed to accomplish a specific objective.
You guys make everyone feel a part of the team.

But regardless you are a leader, even if that is not desired, because people do flock to your banner. But most are the more meek and mild members of the community.
Not as vocal as the hate mongers out there.

[Impaqt]

Yes, I am in error here. I think that any designation as kind or helpful, and the two are different, has to come from outside. I overstepped. Let me say that I have tried very hard to be both kind and helpful. My success on these characteristics has to be determined from others. I don't get to decide that I belong in either group. I am helpful and kind if people I interact with believe me to be so. Keep in mind that a kind person need not be helpful, nor a helpful person kind. We have plenty of helpful people on Thelanis, those that will let you have completion if you can find your way to a quest in progress, but we don't have nearly as many kind people that will also help the people find the quest, for example.

About the thick skin, I have found that when I am with a kindly person, I seldom need it.

About sounding pompus, I can see where that comes from. I'll give you that I am pompus if my statements are found to be false or exaggerated. If they are true, there is no pomp. Again, I don't get to decide this. Either I have been devoted to being kind to and helping people as my goals or I haven't. If I have, then it's fact. If I haven't, it's arrogance. If it is arrogance, then I am certainly willing to try harder.




Again, I have to disagree here.

Being Kind or Helpful is indeed a concious decision. It is up to everyone that plays this game to decided for themselves how they choose to interact with folks. Both In game and here on the forums.

Its how those activities are perceived by others is what is beyond our control.

I dont feel your actions are Pompus Eriik.. I believe how you put stuff into words can be sometimes. I believe that comingin to the forums and basically elevating yourself.. Or your character as the case may be, so often is the catalyst.

We all know you like to help folks. Its something you remind us of in every post ya make it seems. Sometimes I think you believe you are the only person in game that acts the way you do. There are literally Hundreds of folks just like you. Folks that will take the time to show someone a quest. Folks that will join a Pug thats desperatly looking for a cleric beyond their better judgement.... Folks that will Donate gear to less fortunate players or new players to the game..... Many of them spend a lot of time on the forums here. And have every right to be here. Most of em even enjoy their time here on the forums.. Imagine that......

The folks that Say mean things around here are very seldom doing it because of Spite or some overwhelming feeling of malice. Its differences in opinions. Its correcting a mistake. or its just having fun with a friend.

This is a game. a Game is a very poor place to exercise ones malice. Too many people dont take things seriously.... because its a game.....

No ones out to get you or your Wife. The forums are what you make of them. Kind and helpful people are ALWAYS welcome. And they do indeed belong here. Just as much if not more than the people who make it there task to point out Flaws in game mechanics or people who like to talk about their latest electronic acheivement.

[AkromaAoW]

RL? I think so, but Eriik's a little quiet at times. :) Difficult to know the real you.
But you're definately fun to game with.


Lol, I have said previously that I don't think that I'm as nice in real life as I try to be in DDO-dom. Well, perhaps I'm not quite so bad in real life ;). My microphone is on a lot more these days, and so far, I've not heard any complaints. Anyway, looking forward to our next quest.

[Murgatroyd]

My microphone is on a lot more these days, and so far, I've not heard any complaints. Anyway, looking forward to our next quest.

Yes, it was weird hearing Eriik talk :D

[bartcom2000]

my microphone seems to bring all the boys to the yard, all the boys to the yard.....my microphone is better than your's....:D

[Arlith]

Sigh... Things like this do not say something about our forums. They say something about our society. We live to take offense. It has gotten to the point that I no longer moderate what I say at all, because it really doesn't matter.

I get out of bed and know that I have offended people by just waking up. I do not think I am a nice person. People tell me I am and I will disagree with them.

Why moderate what you say, when someone is there to criticize no matter what you say? Just say what you mean. It is easier to keep track of in the long run.

Judging people by how they post, or how they play the game is just wrong. You may be spot on, or way off. Either way, by judging without knowing them personally you do them, and yourself, a disservice. Disagree with their views, don't like what they do, but do not say that a game face is the whole person.

We do not need to have thicker skins on the forums, we need to have thicker skins in real life. What you see on the forums is not unusual - go read a paper, or watch network tv.

Sometimes I help new folks. I do not do this because I am a nice person, I do it because that day I feel patient and inclined to do so. Sometimes I do not, not because I am not a nice person, but because I am not patient or inclined to do it.

I wish you luck with your guild, should you decide to do it. I hope it takes off and you do well with it. I would love to group with you sometime.

Odds are, I will say something to offend you. Don't take it personally.

[bartcom2000]

Sigh... Things like this do not say something about our forums. They say something about our society. We live to take offense. It has gotten to the point that I no longer moderate what I say at all, because it really doesn't matter.

I get out of bed and know that I have offended people by just waking up. I do not think I am a nice person. People tell me I am and I will disagree with them.

Why moderate what you say, when someone is there to criticize no matter what you say? Just say what you mean. It is easier to keep track of in the long run.

Judging people by how they post, or how they play the game is just wrong. You may be spot on, or way off. Either way, by judging without knowing them personally you do them, and yourself, a disservice. Disagree with their views, don't like what they do, but do not say that a game face is the whole person.

We do not need to have thicker skins on the forums, we need to have thicker skins in real life. What you see on the forums is not unusual - go read a paper, or watch network tv.

Sometimes I help new folks. I do not do this because I am a nice person, I do it because that day I feel patient and inclined to do so. Sometimes I do not, not because I am not a nice person, but because I am not patient or inclined to do it.

I wish you luck with your guild, should you decide to do it. I hope it takes off and you do well with it. I would love to group with you sometime.

Odds are, I will say something to offend you. Don't take it personally.


DUDE, why won't this F'n thing let me give you more rep? WHY!!! /solem voice on: There has never been anything more true'er'er ever said. EVER!!!! /solem voice off


Thier are some people in these forums that are in need of your counseling services.. do you have coupons so i can get a few of these said peeps a session? please? pleeeaaassee?

[AkromaAoW]

Again, I have to disagree here.

Being Kind or Helpful is indeed a concious decision. It is up to everyone that plays this game to decided for themselves how they choose to interact with folks. Both In game and here on the forums.

Trying to be kind or helpful is our choice, but if the execution is poor, then the result may well be different than we desired. We might be perceived as neither kind nor helpful. So, it is the perception of who we are extending our kindness or helpfulness to that ultimately decides if we were or not. You are right, this is out of our control, but it is the way it is.


Its how those activities are perceived by others is what is beyond our control.

I dont feel your actions are Pompus Eriik.. I believe how you put stuff into words can be sometimes. I believe that comingin to the forums and basically elevating yourself.. Or your character as the case may be, so often is the catalyst.

We all know you like to help folks. Its something you remind us of in every post ya make it seems.

LOL, I guess it does sound like "After what I've done, this is how you're going to treat me..." I guess that sounds presumptuous to me as well. The good news is that my posting is nearing its end ;).

Sometimes I think you believe you are the only person in game that acts the way you do. There are literally Hundreds of folks just like you. Folks that will take the time to show someone a quest. Folks that will join a Pug thats desperatly looking for a cleric beyond their better judgement.... Folks that will Donate gear to less fortunate players or new players to the game..... Many of them spend a lot of time on the forums here. And have every right to be here. Most of em even enjoy their time here on the forums.. Imagine that......

This is also true, but there is a difference that gets me into trouble every time. Let's consider someone else, Trissa. Trissa's reason for being in the game was to help people. It's what she did long after the content was no longer exciting by itself. This is like the difference between a peace corp member and volunteer. The volunteer is perhaps kind and helpful one or two days a week, when it fits the schedule. These are good acts from great people, but they differ greatly in their level of devotion and effort when compared to folks giving up their lives to join the peace corps. Now, I don't even remotely believe what I did to be anywhere near a Trissa, but the only reason I have logged in many, many days was to find someone to help, with no other agenda. Is that not somewhat different than these other folks you are thinking of?

No ones out to get you or your Wife.

My wife, no. Are people out to get me? No, but there really are some folks that stalk my forums posts, place things in LFMS just for me, and send me tells. The folks from House T will know about this, and I do have some screen shots, if you'd like to see them.

The forums are what you make of them. Kind and helpful people are ALWAYS welcome. And they do indeed belong here. Just as much if not more than the people who make it there task to point out Flaws in game mechanics or people who like to talk about their latest electronic acheivement.

I hope that is the case with the kind folks, and hopefully the thicker skinned ones will persist.

[Impaqt]

My wife, no. Are people out to get me? No, but there really are some folks that stalk my forums posts, place things in LFMS just for me, and send me tells. The folks from House T will know about this, and I do have some screen shots, if you'd like to see them.



Oh, I am on House T, and I followed your various threads here closely.

Now, I'm not a Therapist...... I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express a while back, but I think if you gave some of the **** back every once in a while instead of lamenting on how poorly some people respond to things, you wouldnt have nearly the negative attitude you portray about people in general.

But what do I know.....

[AkromaAoW]

Oh, I am on House T, and I followed your various threads here closely.

Now, I'm not a Therapist...... I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express a while back, but I think if you gave some of the **** back every once in a while instead of lamenting on how poorly some people respond to things, you wouldnt have nearly the negative attitude you portray about people in general.

But what do I know.....

I think that giving it back is somewhere below the complaining step I'm currently stuck on. Somewhere above complaining is turning the other cheek. I'd like to move toward the "forgive and forget" side of things instead of the "give it back to em" direction. Clearly, I have much work to go, but I'll keep working on it...

[bartcom2000]

omg....... a mindflayer!!! watchout!! I roll for initative (/roll 1d10 = 3) I pull out my +3 transmuting Rapeher of pure good (/roll 1d20 = 18 +32 = 50 Hit!) for (/roll 1d10 +3 + 1d6 for 7 +3 +2 = 12 Hp) damage on Mindflayer!!!!!!



Ok who's next?

[AkromaAoW]

omg....... a mindflayer!!! watchout!! I roll for initative (/roll 1d10 = 3) I pull out my +3 transmuting Rapeher of pure good (/roll 1d20 = 18 +32 = 50 Hit!) for (/roll 1d10 +3 + 1d6 for 7 +3 +2 = 12 Hp) damage on Mindflayer!!!!!!



Ok who's next?

I would be so very happy to see wandering monsters appear within quests and in public spaces on a regular basis.

[bartcom2000]

I would be so very happy to see wandering monsters appear within quests and in public spaces on a regular basis.


My GOd MAN!!!! I just gave you a random mindflayer!!!! Roll Now Dammit!!! He is about to perform a mind-blast!!!

Anyone roll anyone!!

[AkromaAoW]

My GOd MAN!!!! I just gave you a random mindflayer!!!! Roll Now Dammit!!! He is about to perform a mind-blast!!!

Anyone roll anyone!!

/roll d20
1

DOH!!!

[Renegade66]

Reads like yet another Eriik thread entitled "Let's talk about Eriik, so let me get the ball rolling". I believe one of the last ones ended with yet another Eriik thread entitled "Farewell to Eriik, but I'm open to talking about Eriik first". Not to be critical or anything, but there seems to be a trend here.

In any event, I couldn't agree more. "I was having a hard time logging in to run the same stuff I had run a thousand times before." is right on the money, so good post man! +1 REP!!

Welcome back, or is this another goodbye?

[AkromaAoW]

Reads like yet another Eriik thread entitled "Let's talk about Eriik, so let me get the ball rolling". I believe one of the last ones ended with yet another Eriik thread entitled "Farewell to Eriik, but I'm open to talking about Eriik first". Not to be critical or anything, but there seems to be a trend here.

In any event, I couldn't agree more. "I was having a hard time logging in to run the same stuff I had run a thousand times before." is right on the money, so good post man! +1 REP!!

Right on schedule...

[KingOfCheese]

/roll d20
1

DOH!!!

Don't worry. I'll get your stone.

Oh, that's right, we are zerging--you are on your own buddy.

:)

[Arlith]

My GOd MAN!!!! I just gave you a random mindflayer!!!! Roll Now Dammit!!! He is about to perform a mind-blast!!!

Anyone roll anyone!!

/Roll Big Fattie

Mind Flayer.... DUDE!!!!!


Where's the chips?

[bartcom2000]

Reads like yet another Eriik thread entitled "Let's talk about Eriik, so let me get the ball rolling". I believe one of the last ones ended with yet another Eriik thread entitled "Farewell to Eriik, but I'm open to talking about Eriik first". Not to be critical or anything, but there seems to be a trend here.

In any event, I couldn't agree more. "I was having a hard time logging in to run the same stuff I had run a thousand times before." is right on the money, so good post man! +1 REP!!

Welcome back, or is this another goodbye?


ummmmm....(x387) Ren........ trying to slay a mindflayer here.. either roll a d20 or roll to the next thread....sheesh...lol jj

Anyhoo


DOH!! Eriik rolls a 1d20 = 1 = critical miss = /roll 1d100 = 87 = Item save vs. hardess or be destroyed.

Mindflayer initiative = 6 mindblast Eriik - Fortitude save - vs mindbalst what say you????

[bartcom2000]

/Roll Big Fattie

Mind Flayer.... DUDE!!!!!


Where's the chips?


Arlith attacks mindflaye with huge marajowanna cigarette..... rolls 1d20=12 +28 = 30 - 26 stoned penalty = 2 Miss!)

Beholder from behind casts FtS on Arlith fortitude check or be stoned Arlith what say you????

what now D&D'ers?


p.s. have i put this thread out of it's misery yet? I'm tryin guys, i'm tryin....

[AkromaAoW]

ummmmm....(x387) Ren........ trying to slay a mindflayer here.. either roll a d20 or roll to the next thread....sheesh...lol jj

Anyhoo


DOH!! Eriik rolls a 1d20 = 1 = critical miss = /roll 1d100 = 87 = Item save vs. hardess or be destroyed.

Mindflayer initiative = 6 mindblast Eriik - Fortitude save - vs mindbalst what say you????

*Shoves Ren in front of Mindflayer and watches as the poor flayer latches onto Ren and dies from malnutrition*

[bartcom2000]

*Shoves Ren in front of Mindflayer and watches as the poor flayer latches onto Ren and dies from malnutrition*




OOOOOHHHHHHH SNAP!!! Eriik says mindflayer attaches to Ren and must make a will save or starve....hey, now thats just not right.........


Roll ren.......

what now!!!! What now!!!

[bartcom2000]

Don't worry. I'll get your stone.

Oh, that's right, we are zerging--you are on your own buddy.

:)

in-game notice: King of Cheese: your blatant bypass of mobs has caused the dungeon alert system to advance to the color "ORANGE"

Mindflayer texts all homies in dungeon and gaind 70d6 hit points.....


Your initiative Socky what say you????

DM text: you have a distinct feeling more are on the way.....ominous background music!!!


Suddenly 30 trolls leap out from nowhere while your movement rate slows to half.....
lol

[Renegade66]

*Shoves Ren in front of Mindflayer and watches as the poor flayer latches onto Ren and dies from malnutrition*

Well played my good man.

In reality though, Ren is a Master Psionicist with Mind Blank well in place. Once the Mind Flayer nears death by starvation, I will turn him onto Eriik who's maniacal laughter will quickly turn to screams of pain and death.

[KingOfCheese]

in-game notice: King of Cheese: your blatant bypass of mobs has caused the dungeon alert system to advance to the color "ORANGE"

Mindflayer texts all homies in dungeon and gaind 70d6 hit points.....


Your initiative Socky what say you????

DM text: you have a distinct feeling more are on the way.....ominous background music!!!


Suddenly 30 trolls leap out from nowhere while your movement rate slows to half.....
lol

Teleports to portable hole--leaving Eriik and Ren to fend for themselves. Normally, they would chew it up--but I worry about them ignoring the mobs while trying to take each other out.

[AkromaAoW]

Well played my good man.

In reality though, Ren is a Master Psionicist with Mind Blank well in place. Once the Mind Flayer nears death by starvation, I will turn him onto Eriik who's maniacal laughter will quickly turn to screams of pain and death.

*Eriik quietly teleports to his favorite pub where he orders a frosty beverage and then joins his comrades for a performance by a local bard*

[bartcom2000]

Well played my good man.

In reality though, Ren is a Master Psionicist with Mind Blank well in place. Once the Mind Flayer nears death by starvation, I will turn him onto Eriik who's maniacal laughter will quickly turn to screams of pain and death.


Well Played Ren ol' boy. but remember the Dungeon Alert system is at "ORANGE", and you now have to save verses FoD from the tiny beholders behind you.......


****...zergers!!!

[KingOfCheese]

*Eriik quietly teleports to his favorite pub where he orders a frosty beverage and then joins his comrades for a performance by a local bard*

Looks like Ren is all alone in the dungeon now with a confused and hungry mind flayer and a bunch of Dungeon Alert spawned mobs.

[bartcom2000]

*Eriik quietly teleports to his favorite pub where he orders a frosty beverage and then joins his comrades for a performance by a local bard*





/teleport - OOPS!!! you are now slowly floating over market!!!

[AkromaAoW]

/teleport - OOPS!!! you are now slowly floating over market!!!

*recasts teleport while feather falling slowly to earth - gets that frosty beverage and tips the local bard*

[bartcom2000]

*recasts teleport while feather falling slowly to earth - gets that frosty beverage and tips the local bard*


-btw that armor makes you look fat......:(


All you uber leeters outthere and the ontly thign you guys can do is teleport? sheesh at least Ren knew to enouff to retroactivly enable mindblank and fight!!! sheesh... lame-o's

Had I not been the DM i would have whooped up on those mobs. lickity split no problemm.... who's dal leet player now guys?


Sooooo, when I am finished putting this tread out of it's misery, from where/whom do I collect my cookie, **** the gratitude, i wantz me cookie....

[Braegan]

*recasts teleport while feather falling slowly to earth - gets that frosty beverage and tips the local bard*

Unfortunately for Eriik what he thought was a harmless smoke-filled tavern was an insidous plot to catch him while his guard was down! :eek:

The Bard, that Eriik so generously tipped smiles as he tucks the coin away and waits for the Mind Fog he cast to take affect and dull his wits. Catching the signal from the shadows the bard begins to facinate Eriik entralling him...

(Let's see how this one plays out!)

:D

[AkromaAoW]

-btw that armor makes you look fat......:(


All you uber leeters outthere and the ontly thign you guys can do is teleport? sheesh at least Ren knew to enouff to retroactivly enable mindblank and fight!!! sheesh... lame-o's

Had I not been the DM i would have whooped up on those mobs. lickity split no problemm.... who's dal leet player now guys?

Except that Ren forgot that psionics were not yet available to player characters, so all he really did was strain out a fart when he tried to mind blank. True, it was potent, but not nearly lethal enough to save him. RIP

[bartcom2000]

Except that Ren forgot that psonics were not yet available to player characters, so all he really did was strain out a fart when he tried to mind blank. True, it was potent, but not nearly lethal enough to save him. RIP


So Eriik says that rens mind blank failed resulting ain a cloudkill

everyone remaining in the dungeon must make a fortutude save or take 1d4 con damage......


hilarious...

What say your ren!!

[AkromaAoW]

Unfortunately for Eriik what he thought was a harmless smoke-filled tavern was an insidous plot to catch him while his guard was down! :eek:

The Bard, that Eriik so generously tipped smiles as he tucks the coin away and waits for the Mind Fog he cast to take affect and dull his wits. Catching the signal from the shadows the bard begins to facinate Eriik entralling him...

(Let's see how this one plays out!)

:D

*Eriik strokes the greenish necklace around his neck. Being an elf with an unusually strong will, Eriiks winks and waggles a finger at the bard*

[KingOfCheese]

So Eriik says that rens mind blank failed resulting ain a cloudkill

everyone remaining in the dungeon must make a fortutude save or take 1d4 con damage......


hilarious...

What say your ren!!

I think Ren is all alone down there. And under 3.0 rules (and RL), isn't one immune to one's own gaseous emissions?

[bartcom2000]

Unfortunately for Eriik what he thought was a harmless smoke-filled tavern was an insidous plot to catch him while his guard was down! :eek:

The Bard, that Eriik so generously tipped smiles as he tucks the coin away and waits for the Mind Fog he cast to take affect and dull his wits. Catching the signal from the shadows the bard begins to facinate Eriik entralling him...

(Let's see how this one plays out!)

:D


Eriik.... you must now make a will save or be enthralled in to beliving everone is out to get you......

the mind fog is slowly acting on your senses and you really feel people begin to snicker at you... but is it real or percieved.....

dunno.... must make will save to find out...

Quick what do youdo Erriik?

[bartcom2000]

I think Ren is all alone down there. And under 3.0 rules (and RL), isn't one immune to one's own gaseous emissions?



true true.. and in some peoples cases don't they even enjoy their own smell?


ewwwwww!!! Just kill the flayer already ren.... got 3 storylines going.....

[AkromaAoW]

Eriik.... you must now make a will save or be enthralled in to beliving everone is out to get you......

the mind fog is slowly acting on your senses and you really feel people begin to snicker at you... but is it real or percieved.....

dunno.... must make will save to find out...

Quick what do youdo Erriik?

/rolls a d20 and SAVES, owing to enchantement and substantial will save bonuses, but still feels wary of certain folks. Wonders how Ren fared in the dungeon. Crosses fingers and wishes the mindflayer good luck.

[bartcom2000]

/rolls a d20 and SAVES, owing to enchantement and substantial will save bonuses, but still feels wary of certain folks. Wonders how Ren fared in the dungeon. Cross fingers and wishes the mindflayer good luck.

...crosses fingers?!? What do you gotta pee or somethin. tele-back and Blue Falcon Ren if you wish!!


Dam you guys are flower children... do you grow up in the 70's......... kill somethin

[AkromaAoW]

...crosses fingers?!? What do you gotta pee or somethin. tele-back and Blue Falcon Ren if you wish!!


Dam you guys are flower children... do you grow up in the 70's......... kill somethin

*Eriik kills his current frosty beverage and orders another and some of the roast*

[KingOfCheese]

...crosses fingers?!? What do you gotta pee or somethin. tele-back and Blue Falcon Ren if you wish!!


Dam you guys are flower children... do you grow up in the 70's......... kill somethin

Socky looks on Auction House for Belt of Proof Against Ren Emissions.

[bartcom2000]

/rolls a d20 and SAVES, owing to enchantement and substantial will save bonuses, but still feels wary of certain folks. Wonders how Ren fared in the dungeon. Crosses fingers and wishes the mindflayer good luck.


As eriik makes his save, waves of insecurity wash off of him and he realizes that he is liked, revered and esteemed by the community. No longer does Eriik have to seek validation from his friends in public areas. Eriik has had an epiphany..

You are liked by most, others are haters, we all got'em, we can't change that... continue being you, and enjoy your life bro........

Now are you gonna roll for initative and kill something or can we put this thread to bed?

;)

[bartcom2000]

Socky looks on Auction House for Belt of Proof Against Ren Emissions.



yeah you find one but it costs 3,000,000 plat. decision mmobay for 20.00 USD or DDO store for 2,300 favor and 15.99 USD.....

What say you Socky?

[AkromaAoW]

As eriik makes his save, waves of insecurity wash off of him and he realizes that he is liked, revered and esteemed by the community. No longer does Eriik have to seek validation from his friends in public areas. Eriik has had an epiphany..

You are liked by most, others are haters, we all got'em, we can't change that... continue being you, and enjoy your life bro........

Now are you gonna roll for initative and kill something or can we put this thread to bed?

;)

Thank you, sir. I will do just that - departing the forums for Stormreach. See you in game ;).

[bartcom2000]

Thank you, sir. I will do just that - departing the forums for Stormreach. See you in game ;).


my work here is done..........

where the hell is my cookie!!!!!!!!

[KingOfCheese]

yeah you find one but it costs 3,000,000 plat. decision mmobay for 20.00 USD or DDO store for 2,300 favor and 15.99 USD.....

What say you Socky?

Uhg. Typical. I guess I'll just grind out 2000 runs of Proof is in the Poison on my capped toons to try to get the rare chest drop (that's the public statement--secretly drops 15.99 on Turbine and pretends not to have paid for it).

[bartcom2000]

Uhg. Typical. I guess I'll just grind out 2000 runs of Proof is in the Poison on my capped toons to try to get the rare chest drop (that's the public statement--secretly drops 15.99 on Turbine and pretends not to have paid for it).


Turbine message: Sorry DDO:U will be live and available on Monday August 4th. All pre-purchases will take effect on or after August 4th 2009. Please remit payment now and on Monday August 4th you will have "Proof againt Ren Emissions" delivered to your mail outlet. Thank you for shopping at the DDO store. Turbine: We kick AXE!!

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Right on schedule...

Lol.
And I was gonna say "There goes the neighborhood." :rolleyes:

[Bunker]

I saw that we had almost 70 replies. Was looking for a good afternoon read. All I see is Mindflayer do this, frosty drink that....../boring

Well back to fixing the helmet. (had accident last night, helmet took most of the dmg) Anyone have some glue?

[Kraak]

I saw that we had almost 70 replies. Was looking for a good afternoon read. All I see is Mindflayer do this, frosty drink that....../boring

Well back to fixing the helmet. (had accident last night, helmet took most of the dmg) Anyone have some glue?


We're all glad your safe, and had no idea this thing would protect your nugget.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-LZxhXlNXY/Rya2oOLoHlI/AAAAAAAABEo/iOCYsGUCjFs/s400/humor%2Bpictures.jpg

Shoei to the rescue!!

[Hafeal]

my work here is done..........

where the hell is my cookie!!!!!!!!

Not sure, but I did hear there were cupcakes ...

[Bunker]

We're all glad your safe, and had no idea this thing would protect your nugget.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-LZxhXlNXY/Rya2oOLoHlI/AAAAAAAABEo/iOCYsGUCjFs/s400/humor%2Bpictures.jpg

Shoei to the rescue!!

Hmmmmmmm

*ponders how to add beer to that one.

[Syriania]

here we go again.....


Seriously. Whether your Kind, or mean, or happy, or angry, or whatever has little bearing on whether or not you "Belong" on the forums.

Its how thick your skin is that matters. The forums are not a place for people with Thin Skin.

There are plenty of "Kind Hearted" people around these forums every day. Saying this is no place for them is an insult.

You seem to put quite the effort into creating these Dramatic & Profound posts.... Do you ever really think about how it reads to folks? Pompus mostly.....

I've got a lot of respect for ya. and your welcome in my groups anytime, But seriously, Ya creep me out more and more every time ya post.

I find this quite humorous actually.


You seem to put quite the effort into creating these Dramatic & Profound posts.... Do you ever really think about how it reads to folks? Pompus mostly.....

If I were to ask you how you thought your post 'read' to people, how would you answer it?

If you were to ask me how I thought your post came off I'd tell you rude. I find that there's usually a polite and an impolite way to say things to people. Guess which route you took? ;)


Saying this is no place for them is an insult.

I think anyone who is insulted by Eriik's post is being overly sensitive. I mean, you do need thick skin to participate on these forums, remember Allendale? ;)


I've got a lot of respect for ya. and your welcome in my groups anytime, But seriously, Ya creep me out more and more every time ya post.

Lots of respect for him eh? It sure doesn't sound like it.

[Impaqt]

I find this quite humorous actually.



If I were to ask you how you thought your post 'read' to people, how would you answer it?

I am Pompous and arrogant. I admit that. I'm quite comfortable with that though. Eriik Doesnt seem to be.



If you were to ask me how I thought your post came off I'd tell you rude. I find that there's usually a polite and an impolite way to say things to people. Guess which route you took? ;)

I dont really care. Because I do have Thick Skin. I've never once dwelled upon how someone on these forums see me.





I think anyone who is insulted by Eriik's post is being overly sensitive. I mean, you do need thick skin to participate on these forums, remember Allendale? ;)

Dont come here if your a Nice Person? Even eriik admitted the message he initialy portrayed was in error.





Lots of respect for him eh? It sure doesn't sound like it.

Then you would be wrong. I even tried to recruit him into the Vagabonds back when He was looking for a guild.

Having an opposing view has nothing to do with Respect.

[Braegan]

Hmmmmmmm

*ponders how to add beer to that one.

Two words: Duct Tape!

[Syriania]

I am Pompous and arrogant. I admit that. I'm quite comfortable with that though. Eriik Doesnt seem to be.

I don't find Eriik to be pompous or arrogant if that's how it 'reads' to you then I'd suggest going over it a couple more times.

I dont really care. Because I do have Thick Skin. I've never once dwelled upon how someone on these forums see me.

Well Allendale I think that's become quite obvious with each new post of yours.

Then you would be wrong. I even tried to recruit him into the Vagabonds back when He was looking for a guild.

Having an opposing view has nothing to do with Respect.

Or maybe this is another part you should read over a couple times. I never said having an opposing view means you can't respect someone, but when you're being rude and speaking to someone in the manner that you were, it shows disrespect.

As far as him joining the Vagabonds, I'm not sure why that matters? but I also approached him about joining the Vagabonds because I was asked to by Incubo. Still not sure why this matters?


...

[Impaqt]

...

Not sure what your deal is Nereid. Me an eriik went back and forth a couple times here and everything seems fine between us to me......

Having a bad night?

I was at my grandfatjhers wake tonight and have to be a pallbearer at his funeral in the morning.. I just wanted to relax a bit before bed... Thanks.

[AkromaAoW]

<3s Nereid...always have.


*Heads off to zzzz*

[Impaqt]

<3s Nereid...always have.


*Heads off to Zzzz*

Did I hurt your Feelings Eriik?

[Syriania]

Not sure what your deal is Nereid. Me an eriik went back and forth a couple times here and everything seems fine between us to me......

Having a bad night?

I was at my grandfatjhers wake tonight and have to be a pallbearer at his funeral in the morning.. I just wanted to relax a bit before bed... Thanks.

I'm fine. However I did feel that the way you chose to express your opinion was inappropriate.

On a different note, I'm sorry about your loss Allendale and I do wish you and your family good luck. We can discuss this at a later date once you're in better spirits.

[Impaqt]

I'm fine. However I did feel that the way you chose to express your opinion was inappropriate.

On a different note, I'm sorry about your loss Allendale and I do wish you and your family good luck. We can discuss this at a later date once you're in better spirits.

I've never believed there was a bad way to "Express ones own opinion" If you disagree with it, thats fine, but I think eriik can defend himself just fine, and what went back and forth between us seemed well resolved way before you decided to jump in.

[Syriania]

I've never believed there was a bad way to "Express ones own opinion" If you disagree with it, thats fine, but I think eriik can defend himself just fine, and what went back and forth between us seemed well resolved way before you decided to jump in.

I do disagree with it. There's an inappropriate way to express your opinion and that is speaking to people in the manner you have speaking with throughout this entire post, as I mentioned earlier.

I'm sure Eriik can defend himself just fine. However, he shouldn't have to. Also, if you think I'm here to defend Eriik you're incorrect, sir. I'm here to 'express my opinion' about the way in which you express yours, which correlates with what Eriik was trying to say in the first place.

[Impaqt]

I do disagree with it. There's an inappropriateway to express your opinion and that is speaking to people in the manner you have speaking with throughout this entire post, as I mentioned earlier.

I'm sure Eriik can defend himself just fine. However, he shouldn't have to. Also, if you think I'm here to defend Eriik you're incorrect, sir. I'm here to 'express my opinion' about the way in which you express yours, which correlates with what Eriik was trying to say in the first place.



But neried.. Read his responses to my posts.. he agreed with much of what I said... Theres no ill will or bad blood between us that I can see.

[szaijan]

Love the post OP, thanks!

These boards could be even more informative and helpful if people got over the need to flame, show off, and put others down. On the other hand, they'd be a lot less interesting for those who enjoy a good "verbal" dust up. They really are pretty Carebear compared to the mindless drivel and vitriol that characterized the boards of such games as EQ, WoW, DAoC, and worst of all, CoH. I find the DDO community to be far more helpful and understanding of newbs than the board communities of any of those games. Usually, the fastest way to kill my zeal for any MMO is to read the boards for a few hours. I actually find ~10% of the posts on the DDO boards to be worth my while to read.

In almost any other game I've played, 2% would have been pushing it.

[Bunker]

Two words: Duct Tape!

/Grabs piece of paper
/Writes down instructions.

Thx for the tip.


/shouts to the party people "Back in Business"

[Memnir]

/Grabs piece of paper
/Writes down instructions.

Thx for the tip.


/shouts to the party people "Back in Business"Just make sure you are following the directions in order.

Mistakes can occur*...







.....http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn12/EnPsyane/uses4duct-tape-040.jpg




*please note I'm not saying that this mistake in particular is bad, per say...

[VKhaun]

When you join a group as a forum-going somewhat informed player with a brain and the caster is on 8con dying to their own charmed army breaking free periodically, the rogue has nothing but trap skills going for him and can't melee for squat, the fighters are uber but keep going off on their own, and the cleric is in a robe because they don't want their spells failing, blowing out their spell points in two rooms healing the rogue and caster who still manage to pull aggro ITS NOT A FRIENDLY SITUATION. It does not matter how hard you try to be nice about things, when you start telling the group what's what, or you do nothing and let them fail and start pointing fingers, it just goes to a bad vibe every time.

The only way to teach people or be 'nice' is to enforce what works through indifference and neutrality. Cleric players and wand whippers need to stop healing the screw-ups. If someone zergs off and dies, leave their rock where it lands. Kick people out of groups if they are defending something that makes no sense like a rogue with no combat ability and just trap skills, or a person sucking up aggro who should be minimizing it. Tell the wanderers straight up, and tell the group ahead of time, if they pull it by themselves they can fight it by themselves.

When you carry and baby them, at the end of the quest they go to the forums and tell everyone how they have this uber build they love playing, and that their spell/feat/skill choices rock and work great!

[Todash]

I played at launch and came back starting a new account last month. I did several posts in the various class forums asking questions about character builds and everyone has been very helpful / kind as I get my feet wet before Mod 9.

That being said, I think I know where your coming from as I have played just about every mmo under the sun...I often feel like I could label my adventures "There and back again, an EQ players tale".

I guess you could describe my play Style from Casual to Hardcore...in that I like to play to the best of my ability and have the chance to do the hardest content in the game but I am not in rush to do it and when I do it, I rather be there with friends than people that just want to run through at full throttle.

Not all people that want to go through fast are "mean" though. I know even myself in other games I try to have patience and help out and like to take my time...but sometimes real life holds me back and I only have n hour to play before my 11 month old son wakes up and it can be very annoying to watch someone blow 20 min looking for a Quest Door ^_^

Some people are just rude _@(*&# lol well all you can do is just realize that arguing with them is like pouring gas on the fire...your almost never going to convert them to your line of thinking.

I am sorta just hanging out and waiting till Aug 4th so I can buy the Drow race and then work on favor for 32 point builds with him.
I would like to run some quests with you if you have some low level alts, I'm sure there is plenty of stuff I need to get up to speed on besides character builds.

[Braegan]

Just make sure you are following the directions in order.

Mistakes can occur*...







.....http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn12/EnPsyane/uses4duct-tape-040.jpg



*please note I'm not saying that this mistake in particular is bad, per say...

Awesome Mem! Just remember friends: Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver!

[bartcom2000]

Oh? whats this? This Thread has come back to life? I thought I derailed and killed this thing yesterday!!!!!! Is my work not yet done? :D

I would comment on the picture, but SOMEBODY doesnt want me commenting on anything related to them........ b/c I am lame.........

[Syriania]

When you join a group as a forum-going somewhat informed player with a brain and the caster is on 8con dying to their own charmed army breaking free periodically, the rogue has nothing but trap skills going for him and can't melee for squat, the fighters are uber but keep going off on their own, and the cleric is in a robe because they don't want their spells failing, blowing out their spell points in two rooms healing the rogue and caster who still manage to pull aggro ITS NOT A FRIENDLY SITUATION. It does not matter how hard you try to be nice about things, when you start telling the group what's what, or you do nothing and let them fail and start pointing fingers, it just goes to a bad vibe every time.

The only way to teach people or be 'nice' is to enforce what works through indifference and neutrality. Cleric players and wand whippers need to stop healing the screw-ups. If someone zergs off and dies, leave their rock where it lands. Kick people out of groups if they are defending something that makes no sense like a rogue with no combat ability and just trap skills, or a person sucking up aggro who should be minimizing it. Tell the wanderers straight up, and tell the group ahead of time, if they pull it by themselves they can fight it by themselves.

When you carry and baby them, at the end of the quest they go to the forums and tell everyone how they have this uber build they love playing, and that their spell/feat/skill choices rock and work great!

Why do I have the feeling you're talking about that VoN group you mentioned earlier? lol. Am I right?? Is that what happened? :D

[Syriania]

Oh? whats this? This Thread has come back to life? I thought I derailed and killed this thing yesterday!!!!!! Is my work not yet done? :D

I would comment on the picture, but SOMEBODY doesnt want me commenting on anything related to them........ b/c I am lame.........

Aww! Well here's a picture just for you! It's my post too so you can comment on it! :D


http://cutepuppiespictures.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/cute_puppy.jpg


There you go!! :D

[bartcom2000]

Aww! Well here's a picture just for you! It's my post too so you can comment on it! :D


http://cutepuppiespictures.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/cute_puppy.jpg


There you go!! :D


ewwww....... that dog just threw up another dog!!! grosss!!!!

[Syriania]

ewwww....... that dog just threw up another dog!!! grosss!!!!

Booo! No more pictures for you!! *takes her folder and goes home!*

[Renegade66]

ewwww....... that dog just threw up another dog!!! grosss!!!!

Nah, these aren't dogs. They're birds. The one of the right is the mama bird regurgitating food to feed its oversized hatchling on the left.

[bartcom2000]

Nah, these aren't dogs. They're birds. The one of the right is the mama bird regurgitating food to feed its oversized hatchling on the left.


or that........ ;)