Tempest and Wind Stance

[Devastation]

Ok I have a quick question for you number crunching types....

I thinking of building a character that has Tempest I and Wind Stance.


Ranger Tempest I
Usage: Passive
Cost: 4 action points
Spent: 16 action points
Requires All of: Spring Attack, Mobility, Dodge, Two Weapon Fighting, Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Available to Ranger class level 6
Your training has greatly improved your ability to fight with two weapons at once, granting a 10% competence bonus to dual wield attack speed and a +2 shield bonus to armor class when two-weapon fighting. You may possess only one prestige enhancement line at a time for each class.

Lesser Wind Stance:
+2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution, 7.5% Enhancement bonus & 2.5% Insight bonus to Attack Speed

Wind Stance:
+2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution, 10% Enhancement bonus & 5% Insight bonus to Attack Speed

Greater Wind Stance:
+3 Dexterity, -2 Constitution, 12.5% Enhancement bonus & 7.5% Insight bonus to Attack Speed

Ok as you see they both add attack speed, however I'm guessing because of how the Wind Stance attack speed is from Enhancement bonus and insight bonus that only part of that will stack with the Tempest attack speed, but which one? Also would all of that stack with haste?

Any info here would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

[Thanimal]

Turns out this entire issue is quite complicated. You'll find the answer and a lot more here:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=172819

The "short answer" is that attack boost bonuses of the same name do not stack. So you get one Enhancement bonus (usually Haste), one Insight bonus (Monk), and one Competence bonus (Ranger).

But the way these things stack is highly unintuitive -- in some cases the Monk's Insight's bonus can be almost negligible. Best bet is to use the attack speed calculator linked from the thread above.

[Thanimal]

And one more thing:

As far as I know, the only weapon setup that can benefit from both wind stance and Tempest is two Kamas. (Tempest doesn't apply to unarmed.)

Since kamas tend to suck for DPS, I'd be worried about any build that is trying to stack Tempest and Wind Stance.

[Delt]

And one more thing:

As far as I know, the only weapon setup that can benefit from both wind stance and Tempest is two Kamas. (Tempest doesn't apply to unarmed.)

Since kamas tend to suck for DPS, I'd be worried about any build that is trying to stack Tempest and Wind Stance.

That is correct, Tempest doesn't apply to handwraps. I have a pretty solid 10m/6rng - he was made not too long before the first Sneak Peek. At this point, Monk 20 negates and trumps anything the 6 ranger levels add...I don't recommend anyone build a Tempest Monk.

[Devastation]

And one more thing:

As far as I know, the only weapon setup that can benefit from both wind stance and Tempest is two Kamas. (Tempest doesn't apply to unarmed.)

Since kamas tend to suck for DPS, I'd be worried about any build that is trying to stack Tempest and Wind Stance.

Thanks for the replies... and yea I knew about the kamas needing to be the weapon, however did not know that their dps was subpar....

[Thanimal]

Thanks for the replies... and yea I knew about the kamas needing to be the weapon, however did not know that their dps was subpar....

Base damage is pretty lame, but more importantly the critical range is horrible. With all the crazy stuff that can improve criticals, weapons with big crits like Khopeshes, Rapiers, Kukris, and Scimitars end up quite a lot ahead of Kamas.

[Uproar]

I have hopes that my Tempest wind monk will someday be able to use a weapon OTHER then kamas.

In the meantime, I still enjoy playing him.

[elyssaria]

Hmmmm this seems weird as hell :p

Since as a monk you use TWF feats to increase you unarmed fighting (barehanded/wraps) as well as dual weapons of course. Then it sure should count as Two weapon fighting shouldn't it? Why wouldn't monks benefit from the tempest attack speed then? :S To me it makes no sense that it wouldn't

/Ely

[josephray92]

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.10
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(12 Monk \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger)
Hit Points: 317
Spell Points: 105
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 23
Will: 15

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
Abilities (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 8 13 13
Dexterity 18 18 22
Constitution 14 14 14
Intelligence 8 8 8
Wisdom 16 16 19
Charisma 8 8 8

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 6 22.5 22.5
Bluff -1 -1 -1
Concentration 6 25 28
Diplomacy -1 -1 -1
Disable Device n/a n/a n/a
Haggle 1 3.5 3.5
Heal 3 4 4
Hide 4 6 8
Intimidate -1 -1 -1
Jump -1 1 3
Listen 3 4 6
Move Silently 4 6 8
Open Lock n/a n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair -1 -1 -1
Search -1 -1 -1
Spot 3 4 4
Swim -1 1 1
Tumble 6 10.5 10.5
Use Magic Device 1 19.5 19.5

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 4 (Ranger)
Spell (1): Camouflage
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Longstrider
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (1): Ram's Might
Spell (1): Resist Energy
Spell (1): Summon Nature's Ally I
Spell (1): Tumble


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Philosophy - Path of Harmonious Balance
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall


Level 11 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body


Level 14 (Monk)


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Evasion


Level 16 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Lawful


Level 17 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Diamond Body


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Abundant Step


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Lifting the Veil
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose III
Enhancement: Fists of Iron
Enhancement: The Receptive Earth
Enhancement: Restoring the Balance
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Fists of Light
Enhancement: Difficulty at the Beginning
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Disciple of Breezes
Enhancement: Master of Thunder
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Disciple of Pebbles
Enhancement: Disciple of Candles
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Disciple of Puddles
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III







Does this work? Including haste and rogue haste AP
And I just read that tempest doesnt effect handwraps so id be changing my improved crit and stuff to slashing instead of bludgeoning for kamas, also can anyone tell me what my ac would look like with this character?

[Devastation]

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.10
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(12 Monk \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger)
Hit Points: 317
Spell Points: 105
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 23
Will: 15

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
Abilities (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 8 13 13
Dexterity 18 18 22
Constitution 14 14 14
Intelligence 8 8 8
Wisdom 16 16 19
Charisma 8 8 8

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 6 22.5 22.5
Bluff -1 -1 -1
Concentration 6 25 28
Diplomacy -1 -1 -1
Disable Device n/a n/a n/a
Haggle 1 3.5 3.5
Heal 3 4 4
Hide 4 6 8
Intimidate -1 -1 -1
Jump -1 1 3
Listen 3 4 6
Move Silently 4 6 8
Open Lock n/a n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair -1 -1 -1
Search -1 -1 -1
Spot 3 4 4
Swim -1 1 1
Tumble 6 10.5 10.5
Use Magic Device 1 19.5 19.5

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 4 (Ranger)
Spell (1): Camouflage
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Longstrider
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (1): Ram's Might
Spell (1): Resist Energy
Spell (1): Summon Nature's Ally I
Spell (1): Tumble


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Philosophy - Path of Harmonious Balance
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall


Level 11 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body


Level 14 (Monk)


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Evasion


Level 16 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Lawful


Level 17 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Diamond Body


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Abundant Step


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Lifting the Veil
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose III
Enhancement: Fists of Iron
Enhancement: The Receptive Earth
Enhancement: Restoring the Balance
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Fists of Light
Enhancement: Difficulty at the Beginning
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Disciple of Breezes
Enhancement: Master of Thunder
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Disciple of Pebbles
Enhancement: Disciple of Candles
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Disciple of Puddles
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III







Does this work? Including haste and rogue haste AP
And I just read that tempest doesnt effect handwraps so id be changing my improved crit and stuff to slashing instead of bludgeoning for kamas, also can anyone tell me what my ac would look like with this character?

Just a quick thought... you gt no benefit for a .5 in a skill it needs to be a full point. You might want to think to consolidate them into a class skill.