Debating Reroll

[Takllin]

Right now I have my guy at level 8(7 Bard/1 Fighter) Dwarf Warchanter. He went TWF, something I regret taking. I have been thinking about rerolling him as either one of two builds, each have the same "plan", just different starting stats.

The first one would be 16 14 16 8 8 12. The second one being 18 8 18 8 8 12. The feats would be(in order): Toughness, WF: Slashing, PA, THF, ITHF, IC: Slashing, GTHF. When I get my fighter feat does not matter to me, the latest I am going to grab it would be level 8.

Pros and Cons of each, first one I get a higher reflex save, and a small boost to AC, which will really only help in the low levels. The second one has the higher to hit, and higher HP, but the dex is sitting at 8.

My current build started out like this: 15 15 15 9 8 12. Can't say why I have a 9 intel, I used a +1 con tome as well so the con is 16. I built this guy a long time ago, and I can't remember my plans for the build. I'm stuck between if its actually worth rerolling, his stats are pretty close to what one of my planned builds is, and all I need is to switch from TWF to THF.

If your going to post a build based on some of what I have posted, keep in mind I don't have any tomes atm, and I have not unlocked 32 points. I would still like to go Dwarf as well, but I am open to other races.

Thoughts, ideas, suggestions, etc. All welcome.

[Aerendil]

My first thought is, "have you used your free feat respec?". If not, talk to the lady in the Harbor that issues the dragonmark quest. That's one free feat respec there. And as of mod9/DDO:EU, you should be able to buy siberys stones I believe, which will help for any further respecs. At level 8, I can't imagine you have ITWF yet, do you? If so, and if it's just a matter of swapping over TWF to THF, that's not too bad.

That said, if you want to go THF, I'd consider rerolling and using your second stat distribution. You'll never need Dex if you go THF, although having a slightly higher reflex save is fairly important, especially without Evasion. Your call there. But I'd still go for the 18/8/18/8/8/12 setup I think.

[Demoyn]

Right now I have my guy at level 8(7 Bard/1 Fighter) Dwarf Warchanter. He went TWF, something I regret taking.

Why would you regret that?

[Takllin]

I regret taking the TWF because I had to spread out my stats more than I would have liked to looking back on it. It also gives me a lower to hit because I am a TWF.

[Demoyn]

I regret taking the TWF because I had to spread out my stats more than I would have liked to looking back on it. It also gives me a lower to hit because I am a TWF.

You may have spread your stats too thin, but it's not solely because you went TWF on a warchanter. There are many good warchanters out there that do TWF (all the great ones, in fact).

[78mackson]

I regret taking the TWF because I had to spread out my stats more than I would have liked to looking back on it. It also gives me a lower to hit because I am a TWF.

if your going twf-dorf-chanter then your pretty much a gung-ho fighter. NOT going TWF if you even plan to do DPS is a guaranteed re-roll.. no other feats adds so much dmg as the twf-line.

A chanter needs str, dex(enough for TWF-line) and con...

[Purgatory]

you spent to much on chr... you can get away with a starting chr of 8 and still cast all the buffs spells u need with tome and items and enhanments fairly easly... that 4 more pts u can put else were like str and con...

You not gona cc with a 12 chr so its doign nothing for you.. other then giving u a bit more sp but who cares all your buffs are mass buffs anyways dont need a lot sp to cast good hope and haste on the party...

I built a twf dwarf bard 14/2 bard/ftr that puts up some realy nice numbers and has the hp to main tank aswell... take imp crit peircing and use min II DA and ur good as golden. use displace for your lack of ac. ya you wont be able to heal very well either but that not the point of a dps war chanter. max out your songs to hit and dmg and you wont have much problems hitting things.

[78mackson]

you spent to much on chr... you can get away with a starting chr of 8 and still cast all the buffs spells u need with tome and items and enhanments fairly easly... that 4 more pts u can put else were like str and con...

You not gona cc with a 12 chr so its doign nothing for you.. other then giving u a bit more sp but who cares all your buffs are mass buffs anyways dont need a lot sp to cast good hope and haste on the party...

I built a twf dwarf bard 14/2 bard/ftr that puts up some realy nice numbers and has the hp to main tank aswell... take imp crit peircing and use min II DA and ur good as golden. use displace for your lack of ac. ya you wont be able to heal very well either but that not the point of a dps war chanter. max out your songs to hit and dmg and you wont have much problems hitting things.

Touché.

Well imp-crit P wont be needed at all...
.. if u got some keen puncturers
.. at mod9

This frees up space for emp-heal which gives the DPS bard even more DPS and basicly immortality til your SP runs out.

[hcarr]

I just started a thf bard with a 14 dex because if I ever get a +3 tome and I wanted to I could switch to twf by switching my feats around. Build in flexability as much as you can so if you change your mind about weapon styles you don,t neccesarily have to start over from scratch. Grind for a possible +3 tome or grind to replace all the raid gear you have and relevel the character.

[Demoyn]

This frees up space for emp-heal which gives the DPS bard even more DPS and basicly immortality til your SP runs out.

No it doesn't. It just makes you want to waste time healing when you SHOULD be dealing damage. Leave the healing job to the healers.

[78mackson]

No it doesn't. It just makes you want to waste time healing when you SHOULD be dealing damage. Leave the healing job to the healers.

..and leave the fighting job to the fighters?

lol.. your probably the guy who still havent figured out why WF´s makes the best sorcs?

[Demoyn]

..and leave the fighting job to the fighters?

lol.. your probably the guy who still havent figured out why WF´s makes the best sorcs?

Nope, I'm the guy that constantly debates the bad build advice you give with actual, helpful advice.

[78mackson]

Nope, I'm the guy that constantly debates the bad build advice you give with actual, helpful advice.

I´m sorry. I dont know any more ways to spell out how nice and effective this selfhealing bit really is. But I´m sure you havent played a WF-sorc or WF-wizzy or ranger/bard with full line of instant self heal or even a halfer with 3 healing marks.

[Cowdenicus]

ok...

Wait for a month, DDO just announced that there will be respecs available.

[Demoyn]

I´m sorry. I dont know any more ways to spell out how nice and effective this selfhealing bit really is. But I´m sure you havent played a WF-sorc or WF-wizzy or ranger/bard with full line of instant self heal or even a halfer with 3 healing marks.

Warforged wizards and sorcerers get self healing without sacrificing any feat slots. You're obviously not a very good designer or you'd understand the difference. You're also obviously not very good at debate or you'd know not to argue a point with something that has nothing to do with that point.

[78mackson]

Warforged wizards and sorcerers get self healing without sacrificing any feat slots. You're obviously not a very good designer or you'd understand the difference. You're also obviously not very good at debate or you'd know not to argue a point with something that has nothing to do with that point.

Sacrificing a feat?.. what feat are you exactly "sacrificing" that I can fit in, so well, in every bard build I made(and still be top DPS, and didnt stretch myself in AP)?
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[Freeman]

Sacrificing a feat?.. what feat are you exactly "sacrificing" that I can fit in, so well, in every bard build I made(and still be top DPS, and didnt stretch myself in AP)?
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Judging by the bard in your sig, you fit it in thanks to two fighter levels. Which means your bard songs will be less powerful in mod 9, reducing the overall DPS you bring to the party. So you traded off more healing ability for less damage. Also, your base cure spells will heal less than a pure bard, since you will cap out at +18 instead of +20, which means your mass Cure spells(Which you only have one of currently) will only be approximately 40% more powerful than a pure bard without Emp. Healing. And if you are healing, you aren't dishing out "top DPS", since last time I checked, it is really hard to swing a weapon and cast a spell at the same time. I'm also curious by your statement that "This frees up space for emp-heal which gives the DPS bard even more DPS". How does Emp. Healing give you more DPS?

If you want to design a bard that can do decent DPS and also decent healing, go ahead and take feats geared towards healing. If you want a bard focused on DPS, then Empower Healing is often hard to fit into the build, particularly if you stay pure bard. Neither way is absolutely wrong, and neither is absolutely right, since which is better will vary according to each individual build, player, and goal of the character. Some people simply don't want to do any more healing than they have to, so why bother to spend a feat on something they don't want to do? Absolute statements, such as "WF make the best sorcs" are rarely true, since "best" can have any number of definitions. What if someone's definition of "best" is "having the highest possible DCs?" The same holds true for bards: What's best for one person isn't necessarily best for another. Empower Healing will improve some builds and hurt others, and the main difference between the two is the goal of the character and the playstyle of the player.

[78mackson]

Judging by the bard in your sig, you fit it in thanks to two fighter levels. Which means your bard songs will be less powerful in mod 9, reducing the overall DPS you bring to the party. So you traded off more healing ability for less damage. Also, your base cure spells will heal less than a pure bard, since you will cap out at +18 instead of +20, which means your mass Cure spells(Which you only have one of currently) will only be approximately 40% more powerful than a pure bard without Emp. Healing. And if you are healing, you aren't dishing out "top DPS", since last time I checked, it is really hard to swing a weapon and cast a spell at the same time. I'm also curious by your statement that "This frees up space for emp-heal which gives the DPS bard even more DPS". How does Emp. Healing give you more DPS?

If you want to design a bard that can do decent DPS and also decent healing, go ahead and take feats geared towards healing. If you want a bard focused on DPS, then Empower Healing is often hard to fit into the build, particularly if you stay pure bard. Neither way is absolutely wrong, and neither is absolutely right, since which is better will vary according to each individual build, player, and goal of the character. Some people simply don't want to do any more healing than they have to, so why bother to spend a feat on something they don't want to do? Absolute statements, such as "WF make the best sorcs" are rarely true, since "best" can have any number of definitions. What if someone's definition of "best" is "having the highest possible DCs?" The same holds true for bards: What's best for one person isn't necessarily best for another. Empower Healing will improve some builds and hurt others, and the main difference between the two is the goal of the character and the playstyle of the player.

The heals with my bards hits for more then I got HP atm.. I doubt it will be less in mod9.

I bet your doing extremly good DPS when your bunny jumping mobs while scrolling 2 heals on yourself or a friend in need?
How often do I heal during missions you might ask? pretty much 500sp/shrine.. and I´m always dry when I reach a shrine .. to put his in context; It would certainly take ALOT longer time solo-zerging kobold using only scrolls on a pure bard.

If you seek personal TOP DPS/max you need to multiclass.. I can´t see +1inspire courage as a big trade off for more versitile and stronger character, there is just no incentive to stay pure for a chanter:
+15% hasteboost
+1str
*2 feats(the most important one for a feat starved class, if it wasnt for the feats I would advocate going 2 lvl rogue on every bard, which would give you slightly higher DPS and evasion)
+13hp
+slightly higher fort

[Demoyn]

I bet your doing extremly good DPS when your bunny jumping mobs while scrolling 2 heals on yourself or a friend in need?

Why would I be bunny jumping mobs to scroll two heals on myself? If I'd deal more damage there would be nothing left alive to damage me anyway. I could then casually throw scrolls around wherever they were needed, because nothing would be threatening me anyway.



How often do I heal during missions you might ask? pretty much 500sp/shrine.. and I´m always dry when I reach a shrine .. to put his in context; It would certainly take ALOT longer time solo-zerging kobold using only scrolls on a pure bard.

So do you forget to count the seconds you waste healing in your "top bard dps" calculations?

Do you know how much mana my bard throws away on healing between shrines? None, because I kill stuff so fast that the healers don't get overloaded.



If you seek personal TOP DPS/max you need to multiclass..

If you seek top personal DPS why in the hell are you playing a bard anyway? Play a ranger or a barbarian. This is about group efficiency.



I can´t see +1inspire courage as a big trade off for more versitile and stronger character, there is just no incentive to stay pure for a chanter:
+15% hasteboost
+1str
*2 feats(the most important one for a feat starved class, if it wasnt for the feats I would advocate going 2 lvl rogue on every bard, which would give you slightly higher DPS and evasion)
+13hp
+slightly higher fort

I'd add this to the list of things you "don't see" when building a character, but I'm already on page three of things you overlook when giving build advice.

[78mackson]

Why would I be bunny jumping mobs to scroll two heals on myself? If I'd deal more damage there would be nothing left alive to damage me anyway. I could then casually throw scrolls around wherever they were needed, because nothing would be threatening me anyway.

prove it ^^.




Do you know how much mana my bard throws away on healing between shrines? None, because I kill stuff so fast that the healers don't get overloaded.
No you dont waste any mana, cause u got nothing to waste it on... you are probably as self-sufficient as a new hatched, oh I forgot.. u kill stuff really really fast(insta?) and isnt effected by AOE either.. your toon must really be something extra.




If you seek top personal DPS why in the hell are you playing a bard anyway? Play a ranger or a barbarian. This is about group efficiency. I do play other classes(have capped em all, none is pre-mod4 either), but not many other classes have such stable dmg while self-haste/displace and selfheal.. no other class can transform a bad group to a good one (well exept for sorcs mod5 and under I guess, but that guy wouldnt need a group in the first place).. but I do enjoy playing with melee-classes aslong as there is another bard in the group.. You should know this, but, a bard does equal dmg to a barbarian without songs in this mod... so why play a barb if there isnt a bard in the group(unless your using wops ^^)?

Do you really think that in mod9(or even in this mod) ppl will care if they got 2d8 +56 or 2d8+55? hardly... I rather have the 18/2 over the pure one, if 2 would apply at the same time..



I'd add this to the list of things you "don't see" when building a character, but I'm already on page three of things you overlook when giving build advice.
What exactly dont I see? pls enlighten me? +1inspire to the whole group adds dmg?

[maddmatt70]

I agree with both Freemen and Demoyn. Bards in DDO are meant to specialize. A bard is best when it is capable of fulfilling its role as bard (songs and buffs) and another specific function in the group (fighting or healing). When it tires to multi-task it becomes not good at anything and/or wastes time doing somthing it is not as effective at. There is one caveat to this however and that is I plan to have an open mind for mod 9. Mod 9 with the level cap increase, lack of bard improvement as a class, new gear, etc., could mean something different for a bard's role in ddo we will see.

[maddmatt70]

The heals with my bards hits for more then I got HP atm.. I doubt it will be less in mod9.

I bet your doing extremly good DPS when your bunny jumping mobs while scrolling 2 heals on yourself or a friend in need?
How often do I heal during missions you might ask? pretty much 500sp/shrine.. and I´m always dry when I reach a shrine .. to put his in context; It would certainly take ALOT longer time solo-zerging kobold using only scrolls on a pure bard.

If you seek personal TOP DPS/max you need to multiclass.. I can´t see +1inspire courage as a big trade off for more versitile and stronger character, there is just no incentive to stay pure for a chanter:
+15% hasteboost
+1str
*2 feats(the most important one for a feat starved class, if it wasnt for the feats I would advocate going 2 lvl rogue on every bard, which would give you slightly higher DPS and evasion)
+13hp
+slightly higher fort

You do not take too much damage as a bard if you are diligent with displacing and stoneskining yourself which it sounds like you are not. Solo-zerging kobold? Does that mean you solo the entire quest or just to the end fight? Up to the end fight is not a big deal even the fire elemental fight is not too big of a deal with fireshield/displace/stoneskin. If I wanted to solo quests all the time I would make a battle cleric or wf battle arcane or a different kind of bard anyway. Your character is better at fighting and should stick to fighting whereas the typical cleric is better at healing and should be healing over you.

[maddmatt70]

What exactly dont I see? pls enlighten me? +1inspire to the whole group adds dmg?

Yes, especially in a raid. For a raid a pure bard warchanter bard will obviously add the most damage to the group.

[Bashfyl]

Right now I have my guy at level 8(7 Bard/1 Fighter) Dwarf Warchanter. He went TWF, something I regret taking. I have been thinking about rerolling him as either one of two builds, each have the same "plan", just different starting stats.

The first one would be 16 14 16 8 8 12. The second one being 18 8 18 8 8 12. The feats would be(in order): Toughness, WF: Slashing, PA, THF, ITHF, IC: Slashing, GTHF. When I get my fighter feat does not matter to me, the latest I am going to grab it would be level 8.

Pros and Cons of each, first one I get a higher reflex save, and a small boost to AC, which will really only help in the low levels. The second one has the higher to hit, and higher HP, but the dex is sitting at 8.

My current build started out like this: 15 15 15 9 8 12. Can't say why I have a 9 intel, I used a +1 con tome as well so the con is 16. I built this guy a long time ago, and I can't remember my plans for the build. I'm stuck between if its actually worth rerolling, his stats are pretty close to what one of my planned builds is, and all I need is to switch from TWF to THF.

If your going to post a build based on some of what I have posted, keep in mind I don't have any tomes atm, and I have not unlocked 32 points. I would still like to go Dwarf as well, but I am open to other races.

Thoughts, ideas, suggestions, etc. All welcome.

You are the first person I've ever seen say they are re-rolling to switch from twf to thf.... Everything I've seen on the forums indicates that twf is the be-all end-all of dps... You may want to reconsider re-rolling. At least look into the dps potential for each fighting style; I think it has been "proven" (as well as it can be in forum-world) that twf is better for dps.

[78mackson]

You do not take too much damage as a bard if you are diligent with displacing and stoneskining yourself which it sounds like you are not. Solo-zerging kobold? Does that mean you solo the entire quest or just to the end fight? Up to the end fight is not a big deal even the fire elemental fight is not too big of a deal with fireshield/displace/stoneskin. If I wanted to solo quests all the time I would make a battle cleric or wf battle arcane or a different kind of bard anyway. Your character is better at fighting and should stick to fighting whereas the typical cleric is better at healing and should be healing over you.

The problem is at endboss, when you will eventually roll a 1 on reflex and get 300 dmg..(never owned a pair of firestorm greaves nor will I).. I´m far away from being a solo-master.. usually soloing takes longer time then grouping, so I don´t. Kobold was more of a test and I had stocked some fireshield + shield cookies. But we basicly stopped running with cleric in RR-content and mod6, cause it went so much faster without one, besides... I´ve noticed that there is plenty of BYOH groups here on US-servers.. and I also notice why ppl like a big HP-pool.. lag monster is CR:56 here)

Displace and stoneskin just doesnt cut it.. its usually not melee your taking dmg from, its the AOE, BB´s, searing lights, traps, u name it... And yes, with a good cleric you wont heal yourself much, but I prefer em to do fun stuff rather then healing me.

[78mackson]

You are the first person I've ever seen say they are re-rolling to switch from twf to thf.... Everything I've seen on the forums indicates that twf is the be-all end-all of dps... You may want to reconsider re-rolling. At least look into the dps potential for each fighting style; I think it has been "proven" (as well as it can be in forum-world) that twf is better for dps.

THF is good/equal maybe even better til lvl12 or so... Perhaps OP havent reached lvl16?

[maddmatt70]

The problem is at endboss, when you will eventually roll a 1 on reflex and get 300 dmg..(never owned a pair of firestorm greaves nor will I).. I´m far away from being a solo-master.. usually soloing takes longer time then grouping, so I don´t. Kobold was more of a test and I had stocked some fireshield + shield cookies. But we basicly stopped running with cleric in RR-content and mod6, cause it went so much faster without one, besides... I´ve noticed that there is plenty of BYOH groups here on US-servers.. and I also notice why ppl like a big HP-pool.. lag monster is CR:56 here)

Displace and stoneskin just doesnt cut it.. its usually not melee your taking dmg from, its the AOE, BB´s, searing lights, traps, u name it... And yes, with a good cleric you wont heal yourself much, but I prefer em to do fun stuff rather then healing me.

This is obviously a tangent, but for your purposes I would have made a different kind of bard unless you are only telling me a part of the story. If you are constantly short-manning zerg I would have probably taken a page out of some of the more unsual groups out there and made a bunch of wf who are generally caster types.

My guild loves playing clerics. We have several people who have 3-4 clerics so our experience is different, but irregardless clerics can speed up quests if they play aggresive. The famous run to the end of the quest and drop a blade barrior style cleric is one example, but I have an offensive specced caster cleric and another example is of course the battle cleric.

[78mackson]

This is obviously a tangent, but for your purposes I would have made a different kind of bard unless you are only telling me a part of the story. If you are constantly short-manning zerg I would have probably taken a page out of some of the more unsual groups out there and made a bunch of wf who are generally caster types.

My guild loves playing clerics. We have several people who have 3-4 clerics so our experience is different, but irregardless clerics can speed up quests if they play aggresive. The famous run to the end of the quest and drop a blade barrior style cleric is one example, but I have an offensive specced caster cleric and another example is of course the battle cleric.

sorry for going abit off-topic here....

Ye, a WF-party would be lovely... Even thou I dig Nicks WF bard very much(probably the best bard build that have been posted), it wouldnt suit my lazy gameplay.. no clickys for me, I have enough of em while lvling :D

and ye a halfer rogue/bard would also be very nice.. but I still holds human as my weapon of choice..

Don´t read this unless your bored
I guess we just had too much greensteel in our small knitted guild.. We had basicly one that prefered to play the cleric(since she rather prefered to drink wine n spamming voicechat then spamming right-click and one that enjoyed sorc(for some odd reason), rest was cookie cutting-TWF:ers(A-O n Yargore was in our guild, but we wasnt as cocky as them.. haha.. but they do know their stuff).. still kinda strange that a guild that was as un-organised as ours holds the record in shroud elite that they set on their first try(and we hardly ran speedruns regulary as u guys do over here)...

[maddmatt70]

sorry for going abit off-topic here....

Ye, a WF-party would be lovely... Even thou I dig Nicks WF bard very much(probably the best bard build that have been posted), it wouldnt suit my lazy gameplay.. no clickys for me, I have enough of em while lvling :D

and ye a halfer rogue/bard would also be very nice.. but I still holds human as my weapon of choice..

Don´t read this unless your bored
I guess we just had too much greensteel in our small knitted guild.. We had basicly one that prefered to play the cleric(since she rather prefered to drink wine n spamming voicechat then spamming right-click and one that enjoyed sorc(for some odd reason), rest was cookie cutting-TWF:ers(A-O n Yargore was in our guild, but we wasnt as cocky as them.. haha.. but they do know their stuff).. still kinda strange that a guild that was as un-organised as ours holds the record in shroud elite that they set on their first try(and we hardly ran speedruns regulary as u guys do over here)...


Do you guys have Hallz and Karelle in your guild? Those are a couple of guildies of mine on Khyber. They said they joined a Euro guild on Thelanis where are all the folks in guild were bored waiting for mod 9. You kind of sound like the group.

About the elite speed record it really is not strange that a euro group holds it. We made two attempts in the last two weeks with a 26 min and 27 min runs. Problem is the hideous lag on part 5 is just brutal. On both runs most of the melee died and some multiple times on part 5. On the euro servers there is alot less lag.

[78mackson]

Do you guys have Hallz and Karelle in your guild? Those are a couple of guildies of mine on Khyber. They said they joined a Euro guild on Thelanis where are all the folks in guild were bored waiting for mod 9. You kind of sound like the group.

About the elite speed record it really is not strange that a euro group holds it. We made two attempts in the last two weeks with a 26 min and 27 min runs. Problem is the hideous lag on part 5 is just brutal. On both runs most of the melee died and some multiple times on part 5. On the euro servers there is alot less lag.

Don´t know your friends, sorry(joined Legion with my old/new mates yargore and A-O).. but if they joined up with ground or departed(if they still exist?) they are probably in good hands from what I´ve seen :D

the lag is a problem... which doesnt exist in the same degree on EU.. I agree. but what confuses me is that you still manage to get good times on normal speed runs which should require an even more less-lag-environment? Haven´t tried out a good elite run yet, nor will I, til I get a toon up that can hold its space in sucha raid(struggling with getting toons up in lvl to farm some scales n stuff)... you guys seems far more organised then us, back in EU most of us were slackers and especially In Vinos Veritas.. a horrible performing guild when all were drunk(50% of the time)... honostly! I got a shock when I tried a new mmo and that one was like "germany 1939!"...

[maddmatt70]

Don´t know your friends, sorry(joined Legion with my old/new mates yargore and A-O).. but if they joined up with ground or departed(if they still exist?) they are probably in good hands from what I´ve seen :D

the lag is a problem... which doesnt exist in the same degree on EU.. I agree. but what confuses me is that you still manage to get good times on normal speed runs which should require an even more less-lag-environment? Haven´t tried out a good elite run yet, nor will I, til I get a toon up that can hold its space in sucha raid(struggling with getting toons up in lvl to farm some scales n stuff)... you guys seems far more organised then us, back in EU most of us were slackers and especially In Vinos Veritas.. a horrible performing guild when all were drunk(50% of the time)... honostly! I got a shock when I tried a new mmo and that one was like "germany 1939!"...

You guys will get around to trying an elite run eventually, but the reason why elite is more of a problem is the margin for error for a healer on elite is smaller. If you lag a bit on normal you can still heal through it because missing a round of healing is not a big deal, but on elite that could mean a death or deaths.

[78mackson]

You guys will get around to trying an elite run eventually, but the reason why elite is more of a problem is the margin for error for a healer on elite is smaller. If you lag a bit on normal you can still heal through it because missing a round of healing is not a big deal, but on elite that could mean a death or deaths.

Yes.. I can imagine that.