Sniper

[Jay203]

for self reference only, screw your comments! xD
18/1/1 Fighter/Barb/Bard
True Neutral Elf
Stats:


Strength 13 + 1 lvl + 2 enhancement + 6 item = 22 (+6) + 2 tome = 24 (+7) + 8 Surge =32 (+11)
Dexterity 17 + 4 lvl + 1 enhancement + 6 item = 28 (+9) + 2 tome = 30 (+10)
Constitution 12 + 6 item = 18 (+4)
Intelligence 15 + 1 tome = 16 (+3)
Wisdom 8
Charisma 13 + 6 item + 1 tome = 20 (+5)

BaB:


19 base
10 dex bonus
3 Weaponf Focus Feats
2 Elven Ranged Attack
2 Kensai II
5 +5 arrows
====
+41 to hit base

Damage Bonus:


+7 Str
5 ARROW
4 Specilization Feats
2 Specialization enhancement
2 Elven Ranged Damge
2 Kensai Bonus Damage
====
+22 damage base
crit confirm
+ 8 critical accuracy IV
+ 4 Kensai II
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+34 damage crit (18~20/x3)

Feats Progression:


Point Blank Shot (lvl 1)
Force of Personality (lvl 3)
Rapid Shot (lvl 3 Fighter feat)
Weapon Focus (lvl 4 Fighter feat)
Least Dragonmark (lvl 6)
Bow Strength (lvl 6 Fighter feat)
Many Shot (lvl 8 Fighter feat)
Improved Critical (lvl 9)
Precise Shot (lvl 10 Fighter feat)
Lesser Dragonmark (lvl 12)
Weapon Specialization (lvl 12 Fighter feat)
Greater Weapon Focus (lvl 14 Fighter feat)
Toughness (lvl 15)
Greater Weapon Specialization (lvl 16 Fighter feat)
Skill Focus: UMD (lvl 18)
Improved Precise Shot (lvl 18 Fighter feat)
Superior Weapon Focus (lvl 20 Fighter feat)

HP:


180 18 fighter
12 1 barbarian
6 1 bard
20 Heroic Durability
80 Con bonus
22 Toughness Feat
------
320
10 Dragonic Vitality
20 +2 Con tome
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350
30 Greater False LIfe
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380

Saves:


2/ 0/ 0 Barbarian 1
0/ 2/ 2 Bard 1
11/ 6/ 6 FIghter 18
4/10/ 5 Ability Bonus
2/ 2/ 2 Head of Good Fortune
4/ 4/ 4 Greater Hero
5/ 5/ 5 Resistance Item
1/ 1/ 1 Resistance Ritual
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29/30/25





AP:


Kensai III + Mastery III: 11 AP
Attack Boost IV: 10 AP
Critical Accuracy IV: 10 AP
Weapon Specialization II: 3 AP

Total spent: 34 AP

Bard Energy of Music: 1AP
Bard Extra Song: 1 AP

Total Spent : 36

Arcane Archer IV: 8 AP
Imbue Force Arrow: 1 ap

Total Spent : 45

Elven Dex II: 2 AP
Fighter Str II: 6 AP

Total Spent: 53

Longbow Specialization II: 3 AP

Total Spent : 56

Barbarian Sprint Boost I: 1 AP
Total Spent: 57

Elven Ranged Attack II: 6
Elven Ranged Damage II: 6

Total Spent: 69

Fighter Haste Boost IV: 10

Total Spent: 79

Toughness I: 1 AP

[Myxalplyx]

Nice build! Looking forward to seeing how it works out for you.

BTW: This is Xbows!

[Leyoni]

I'm missing what the barbarian level brings to your build.

May I suggest you change that to ranger so as to get bow strength thus saving you a feat? Substitute ranger sprint boost for barbarian.

[Jay203]

I'm missing what the barbarian level brings to your build.

May I suggest you change that to ranger so as to get bow strength thus saving you a feat? Substitute ranger sprint boost for barbarian.

fine, i'll answer that =_=
faster movement

[Inspire]

Not that I expect you to anwser, but why are you taking STR on this build? Since you dont have Bow Strength it may be better to dump it, unless you plan to melee(just dosent look like it)?, and you dont have the Wisdom for Zen Archery in the future either.

Do you think the bonus to Sprint Boost/ UMD is worth giving up the 25% alacrity from Ranger 20 or 10% from Fighter 20?

Do you think Deepwoods Sniper II and III will be good for the build in the future?

[Jay203]

Not that I expect you to anwser, but why are you taking STR on this build? Since you dont have Bow Strength it may be better to dump it, unless you plan to melee(just dosent look like it)?, and you dont have the Wisdom for Zen Archery in the future either.

Do you think the bonus to Sprint Boost/ UMD is worth giving up the 25% alacrity from Ranger 20 or 10% from Fighter 20?

Do you think Deepwoods Sniper II and III will be good for the build in the future?

Bow Strength, check lvl 6 fighter feat

bonus to movement speed + umd is well worth it to me =)
i get +1 crit range with full UMD mark as well as access to focus chant and 10% faster base movement, from the way i play, movement is super important for an archer

don't know much about deepwoods, but this is just something i've been wanting to play around with for a while and it's quite fun =)

PS: you can't get arcane archer as 20 Fighter :p

[Inspire]

Bow Strength, check lvl 6 fighter feat

Missed that.


bonus to movement speed + umd is well worth it to me =)

Movement speed can be had as a Ranger aswell through boosts, most mobs cannot keep up with you hasted running backwards regardless.


i get +1 crit range with full UMD mark as well as access to focus chant and 10% faster base movement, from the way i play, movement is super important for an archer

Is +1 critical threat worth 25% alacrity.


don't know much about deepwoods, but this is just something i've been wanting to play around with for a while and it's quite fun =)

Yep, not belittling the build, just curious.


PS: you can't get arcane archer as 20 Fighter :p

But you can as 20 Ranger ^^

[Jay203]

Missed that.

:P easy to miss due to crowded text :p


Movement speed can be had as a Ranger aswell through boosts, most mobs cannot keep up with you hasted running backwards regardless.

but barbarian innate speed is pretty constant, so with a 30% strider you'd be as fast as hasted :D:D:D



Is +1 critical threat worth 25% alacrity.

of course =) haste + haste boost > 25% alacrity :p



Yep, not belittling the build, just curious.

never thought bout deepwood that much before, doesn't really sound too appealing to make me wanna make something around it
besides, i'd have to go ranger for it, ewww :D:D:D



But you can as 20 Ranger ^^
then i wouldn't get kensai + arcane :)

[Inspire]

:P easy to miss due to crowded text :p

Ill say!


but barbarian innate speed is pretty constant, so with a 30% strider you'd be as fast as hasted :D:D:D

You could have ranger sprint boost 7/rest(9/rest with Kensai set, swapable) for a 50% speed increase that stacks with striders aswell!


of course =) haste + haste boost > 25% alacrity :p

I read somewhere that Haste boost dosent work with ranged weapons.


never thought bout deepwood that much before, doesn't really sound too appealing to make me wanna make something around it
besides, i'd have to go ranger for it, ewww :D:D:D

I guess it depends on how much it would benefit ranged combat or your playstyle.


then i wouldn't get kensai + arcane :)

True, but you would have evasion, HiPS and FE damage.

[Kriogen]

...
Stats:


Strength 13 + 1 lvl + 2 enhancement + 6 item = 22 (+6) + 2 tome = 24 (+7) + 8 Surge =32 (+11)
Dexterity 17 + 4 lvl + 1 enhancement + 6 item = 28 (+9) + 2 tome = 30 (+10)
...

Not best. Str 14, Dex 16 +5 level saves you 1 build point.

I'd put levelup points into Str for Bow Strength?

[Zuldar]

If you don't mind dropping your will save a bit you could switch force of personality for extend, depending on when you're taking your bard level. And since you have so high an attack bonus you could drop the second elf enhancements to hit for a couple extra dragonmark enhancements. You'd gain 12 minutes of displacement at the mere cost of 6 will save and 1 to hit.

You could put the one extra ap you'd have left over into a second bard song. That'd be 8 minutes of +1 damage, assuming you don't have a full bard in the group.

[WeiQuinn]

As an Elf you should be able to pick up Elven Arcane Archer along with Kensai from Fighter. You have Point Blank Shot and Weapon Focus: Ranged already, just pick up the Bard SP enhancement and bingo!

Unless you don't have the AP (I think it would cost 8 AP for Elven Arcane Archer 5)

[Visty]

Unless you don't have the AP (I think it would cost 8 AP for Elven Arcane Archer 5)

and if, you dont need AA 5 as you will use a greensteel bow most of the time anyway and they are +5 already...anything higher then the +1 arrows isnt needed as they arent pre for something else (though that might change in the future)

[Aerendil]

Wait a sec - is Bow Strength a purchaseable feat in DDO:EU?

If so, sweet!

[Jay203]

and if, you dont need AA 5 as you will use a greensteel bow most of the time anyway and they are +5 already...anything higher then the +1 arrows isnt needed as they arent pre for something else (though that might change in the future)

no i won't, i've made the decision to never touch them evil greensteel stuff!

@WeiQuinn, just being an Elf isn't enough to qualify for Arcane Archer. you also need some other pre-reqs fulfilled to obtain Arcane Archer

@Aerendil, yes, it's a trainable feat in Mod 9

[spifflove]

I was wondering when someone would come up with this build. I decided ranger was way to go but kensai + arcane archer + arcane archer gear could be uber.

Nice job. I won't roll one because I prefer melee first archers or wizard gimps but nice job.

Consider more Strength. I would drop intel to 14 and max UMD, Perform, get the +2 1750 tome for more points into balance and jump. This will also give you the ability to use two handers in desperate situations.

If for anyreason bow str doesnt make it into mod 9 you can always fall back on a ranger level.

[Krago]

380hp at lvl 20?

How come no toughness enhancements? Arent they pretty cheap?

[Jay203]

380hp at lvl 20?

How come no toughness enhancements? Arent they pretty cheap?

they're moderately priced, but kensai is costly
not to mention there's a need to keep up the arcane archer enhancements as well

[WeiQuinn]

@WeiQuinn, just being an Elf isn't enough to qualify for Arcane Archer. you also need some other pre-reqs fulfilled to obtain Arcane Archer


Sure is... Elven Arcane Archer requires Elf level 9, Point Blank Shot, Weapon Focus: Ranged and one of: Mental Toughness, Bard SP Enhancement, Sorcerer SP Enhancement or Wizard Spell Point Enhancement.

All of these are available on your build (Bard SP Enhancement plus the feats already taken)

[Jay203]

Sure is... Elven Arcane Archer requires Elf level 9, Point Blank Shot, Weapon Focus: Ranged and one of: Mental Toughness, Bard SP Enhancement, Sorcerer SP Enhancement or Wizard Spell Point Enhancement.

All of these are available on your build (Bard SP Enhancement plus the feats already taken)

i know, that's why i took bard first
but i was just pointing out that being an elf alone isn't enough to qualify for AA
aka: Elven Pure Fighter can't achieve AA

[WeiQuinn]

Yes, even an Elven pure Fighter can be an Arcane Archer, just replace SP Enhancement with Mental Toughness feat. I have a Ranger Cleric Elven Arcane Archer and that's how I did it.

[Jay203]

Yes, even an Elven pure Fighter can be an Arcane Archer, just replace SP Enhancement with Mental Toughness feat. I have a Ranger Cleric Elven Arcane Archer and that's how I did it.

you can't pick up mental toughness feat if you can't cast spell :p

[WeiQuinn]

You know, there was something bothering me about that, but I just couldn't remember what. That's it, need to be able to cast spells... *kicks self*

[Jay203]

You know, there was something bothering me about that, but I just couldn't remember what. That's it, need to be able to cast spells... *kicks self*

:D:D:D:D
~makes fun of WeiQuinn~

[Jay203]

after seeing the past life feat for Ranger, I thought I'd try to see what it'd be like if i true reincarnated 3 times for the 3 ranger past life and the extra build points and ended up with something quite fun-looking (for me anyway)

18/1/1 Fighter/Barbarian/Bard
True Neutral, Elf
[True Reincarnated 3 times in Ranger]

Stats:


Stats:
Strength 15 base + 1 lvl + 2 enhancement + 2 tome + 6 item = 26 (+8) + 8 power surge = 34 (+12)
Dexterity 16 base + 4 lvl + 2 enhancement + 2 tome + 6 item = 30 (+10)
Constitution 14 base + 2 tome + 6 item = 22 (+6)
Intelligence 14 base + 2 tome = 16 (+3)
Wisdom 8
Charisma 14 base + 2 tome + 6 item = 22 (+6)


Feats:


Automatics:
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger x3

Normal Feats: (7 total)
Toughness
Force of Personality
Skill Focus: UMD
Past Life: Warrior of the Wild
Manyshot
Bow Strength
Quick Draw


Fighter Feats: (10 total)
Weapon Focus x3
Weapon Specialization x2
Rapid Shot
Point Blank Shot
Precise Shot
Improved Precise Shot
Improved critial: Ranged


Enhancements:


Fighter stuff:
Fighter Attack Boost III (6 pts)
Fighter Haste Boost IV (10 pts)
Fighter Critical Accuracy III (6 pts)
Fighter Extra Action Boost I (2 pts)
Kensei Longbow Mastery III (3 pts)
Fighter Kensei III (8 pts)
Fighter Longbow Specialization II (3 pts)
Fighter Strength II (6 pts)
Fighter Toughness II (3 pts)
Total Fighter stuff : 47 pts

Bard stuff:
Bard Extra Song I (1 pt)
Bard Energy of the Music I (1 pt)
Bard Wand Mastery I (1 pt)
Total Bard stuff: 3 pts

Barbarian stuff:
Barbarian Damage Boost I
Barbarian Damage Reduction Boost I
Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Total Barbarian stuff: 3 pts

Racial Stuff:
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows (1 pt)
Elven Dexterity II (6 pts)
Elven Enchantment Resistance I (1 pt)
Elven Ranged Attack I (2 pts)
Elven Ranged Damage II (6 pts)
Racial Toughness II (3 pts)
Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows (8 pts)
Total Racial stuff: 27 pts

Total AP spent: 80 pts


Hit Points:


180 Fighter lvl 18 11/6/6
12 Barbarian lvl 1 2/0/0
6 Bard lvl 1 0/2/2
20 Heroic Durability
10 Dragonic Vitality
120 Con bonus
22 Toughness feat
40 toughness enhancements
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410
20 rage potoin
30 greater false life item
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460 with simple stuff


saves:


11 / 6 / 6 Fighter lvl 18
2 / 0 / 0 Barbarian lvl 1
0 / 2 / 2 Bard lvl 1
6 / 10 / 6 Stats bonus
2 / 2 / 2 Head of Good Fortune
5 / 5 / 5 +5 resistance on DT robe
1 / 1 / 1 alchemy bonus
4 / 4 / 4 Greater Heroism
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31 / 30 / 26


UMD:


23 base
6 cha bonus
2 head of good fortune
3 golden cartouche
1 focusing chant
3 skill focus
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38 base
4 greater heroism
2 seven fingered glove (assuming actually found)
----
44 UMD


Combat:


To Hit:
19 BaB bonus
5 +5 arrows
3 Weapon focus feats
10 Dex bonus
1 elven ranged attack
2 Kensei signiture weapon
------
40 base to hit
4 greater heroism
2 arcane archer set
----
46 to hit
-4 shooting while moving
----
+42 to hit first shot


Damage:
1d8 base (4.5 average)
1d6 force arrow (3.5 average)
+ 5 arrow
+ 8 Strength bonus
+ 4 weapon specialization feats
+ 6 past life: Ranger
+ 2 Fighter Weapon specialization
+ 2 Kensei Signiture weapon
+ 2 Elven Ranged Damage
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8 + 29 per shot pre- power surged
+ 4 powersurge
+ 1 inspired courage
+ 2 barbarian damage boost
+ 1 rage potion
-----
8 + 37 damage per shot short duration


of course, I made some adjustments to better use the build points as stated before =)
-410 hit points without any gears added on a non-tank should be passable
-decent enough saves so you won't get screwed over THAT much
-38 base UMD (37 not counting the chant) that goes up even more with potential grinding
-+40 to hit with no buffs
-base + 29 damage pre-buffage

gotta say, if only the reincarnation isn't so much of a grind, I'd actually roll a ranger for this purpose :p:p:p:p:p