Deadliest Warrior/Battle of the Builds

[Edward_Tortoriello]

Who is the Deadliest Warrior?

After watching a "Deadliest Warrior" marathon on SpikeTV some of my guildies and I got into an argument about the Pirate vs Knight episode. So after some spirited debate we decided to hold our own DW PVP tourney. For the first matchup its the "800+ HP Barb vs The 75+ AC build.

The tourney will take place Sunday July 12th at 10PM EST on Ghallandra in the Wayward Lobster Tavern. I need at least 3 of each build type to sign up for the tourney. There is no entrance fee (alas no prize either), this is strictly about bragging rights and the better build.

and now for some rules:

1. Each alt will fight in a best 2 out of 3 match.

2. No Vorpals (these battles aren't about who rolls a 20 first), No stat damage weapons, and no shroud weapon.

3. We will have a Cleric, Bard, and a Wizzy on duty to provide you with all the buffs you will need.

4. No potions, or any other consumables.

We will post the winners here on the forums and their build stats (if they don't mind given up their builds).

Sign up here on the forums by posting a reply or send a message to Sigurd on Ghallandra.

See ya there.

[SwampYankee]

May be only use MW weapons so gear effect isn't so pronounced?

[Galbbatorix]

I would have entered one of my two barbs, but sadly I am busy Sunday night with rl stuff. I hope the rest of you barbs show the ac types who's boss.

[Shade]

lol what?

Neither of those build could be even come close to being described as "Deadly"

The Barb has to sacrifice basicly everyone of his level up points, feats and enhancement points into toughness to achieve that hitpoints, resulting in horrible damage, not deadly at all. It's called a big fat mana sponge build. The highest HP a Barb can hit without sacrifcing much DPS is about 650 - and thats with the ultimate HP gear setup in the game.

The AC build guy has to do similar, sacrificing nearly every equipment slot towards AC items.. And some feats/enhancements. Resulting in pathetic damage.

And it's no contest. If the AC build guy has any sort of DPS weapon in his hand, he can slowly writtle down the 800hp barb. The barbarian won't be able to touch him unless he rolls a 20 because his strength and to hit will suck.

[BattleCircle]

I agree with Shade. My barb has only 550hp and a +45 to hit, the ac fighter would whittle me down while only taking a couple hits

[bloodyrag]

totally disagree my barb has over 650hps raged and max str by end of attack sequence has +60to hit with min2 gr axe.
same with ac builds have a rogue mixed class 63ac self buff can do dps hold aggro in vod given 30 seconds or so to set solid aggro duel wielding etc but that is both toons fully kitted out best items goin.if im on i will bring whatever one u want to the comp but u will need to look my toons up man they are all in Thac0 so just look at who list sorted by guild - toons all have bloody in them or timpon/ timpwns

[Jondallar]

Heavy Fort negates Barbs effectiveness as a 20 roll will only hit the high AC, and no crit damage which is the barbs bread and butter

take out heavy fort from both sides and it would be a better fight

[Roman]

Not on your server, but from my experience on Sarlona I think your ultimate warrior will look something like this


Halfling with full heal marks
Finesse AC ranger build with monk and/or pally splash (12/2/2 or 12/3/1)
Favored Enemy Dwarf, Human, Warforged and Elf or Halfling


Pally splash build will have excellent self buffs, excellent saves, be able to dispell opponents buffs, have high AC, high to-hit and uninterruptable self healing. The only think that can take out this build in PvP is an epic guard proc or possibly a very lucky epic weapon proc when you land a hit with a 20

[Fluffy_the_Goth]

Can clerics join? If so I think my evasion cleric could destroy both without much of a try

[LastNameRage]

I've done a fair bit of pitting in my time, for melee, there is 0 competition in the pit, AC takes the cake.

[Bronko]

I think all of you have missed the point. The Deadliest Warrior is none of the builds you have talked about so far. The nastiest creation on the server is a mighty little Halfling thrower called Bronco. :cool:

Remember: if you don't throw you blow.

[KatanAztar]

Build is one of the least improtant things. Equipment(greater banes, gaurds, ac items, etc) and movement skill are far more valuable than build.

[Comfortably]

Build is one of the least improtant things. Equipment(greater banes, gaurds, ac items, etc) and movement skill are far more valuable than build.

Don't forget the stash of BBQ Corn Nutz.

[Justicar]

Build is one of the least improtant things. Equipment(greater banes, gaurds, ac items, etc) and movement skill are far more valuable than build.

very true. but anybody that rely's on guards for damage in pvp is just lame...imo at least.

I'll join though if ya want. Just let me know when and where. I got a 75+ ac tank I pvp with named Ultimatum.

[winsom]

ban the use of Fortification (all ?), vorpal, ability score damage, raid loot, crafted items, and consumables, and it might be interesting!

[BigBadBarry]

Ban the monk splash?

My money is on the ranger/monk god build - its untouchable and even if the barbarian had 1200 hp I reckon he would still be beaten easily.

But hey - good luck with the event.

[UnderwearModel]

I like the idea. It is a take off on the show.

Who won the pirate/knight battle? I would go with knight because if his armor stopped the first bullet and the knight closed to within striking distance, the pirate would not have fared well. The pirate's of the 1400s through 1700s their guns were too slow to reload. Unless you are talking about today's pirates with the automatic weapons and grenade launchers, then the knight is toast.

Do I have a 800+ HP barb? NO.

Do I have a 75+ AC fighter? NO.

I will be interested to see the outcome.

In this battle, my money is on the AC build all the way. I have always felt that high AC keeps me alive long enough to come up with an idea to end the battle.

[Dexxaan]

lol what?

Neither of those build could be even come close to being described as "Deadly"

The Barb has to sacrifice basicly everyone of his level up points, feats and enhancement points into toughness to achieve that hitpoints, resulting in horrible damage, not deadly at all. It's called a big fat mana sponge build. The highest HP a Barb can hit without sacrifcing much DPS is about 650 - and thats with the ultimate HP gear setup in the game.

The AC build guy has to do similar, sacrificing nearly every equipment slot towards AC items.. And some feats/enhancements. Resulting in pathetic damage.

And it's no contest. If the AC build guy has any sort of DPS weapon in his hand, he can slowly writtle down the 800hp barb. The barbarian won't be able to touch him unless he rolls a 20 because his strength and to hit will suck.

/QFT


Not on your server, but from my experience on Sarlona I think your ultimate warrior will look something like this


Halfling with full heal marks
Finesse AC ranger build with monk and/or pally splash (12/2/2 or 12/3/1)
Favored Enemy Dwarf, Human, Warforged and Elf or Halfling


Pally splash build will have excellent self buffs, excellent saves, be able to dispell opponents buffs, have high AC, high to-hit and uninterruptable self healing. The only think that can take out this build in PvP is an epic guard proc or possibly a very lucky epic weapon proc when you land a hit with a 20

You`d know this how? (I still hate you and your "Guard-Ape"....) :D


Build is one of the least improtant things. Equipment(greater banes, gaurds, ac items, etc) and movement skill are far more valuable than build.

Ah now look at the learning curve you have put yourself on.....


...... but anybody that rely's on guards for damage in pvp is just lame...imo at least.


/QFT

Guards are fun for Questing on a few builds, but for PvP it`s just as silly as chasing down those Rabbits with Bows who challenge you to the Arena and want to "Fight" from a mile away. :rolleyes:

[Draclaud]

Only one way to do this fairly, and build(not eqipment) focused. Naked with MW weapons. That's the only way.

[Shade]

totally disagree my barb has over 650hps raged and max str by end of attack sequence has +60to hit with min2 gr axe

Exactly what are you disagreeing with? Your barb didn't qualify for the contest.. Like I said, no high DPS barbarian would.

My barb can hit a +65 hit for a short time, vs races he has a +5 greater bane for.. Which is most. That will go up into the high 70's, low 80s in mod9..

I've utterly destroyed many 75-80AC guys who claimed they were unkillable and made bets and such. There not a problem after a destruct, and sunder.

It's really only the 100+ AC rogue/monk types that are invulnerable to melee attacks. Tho they can't kill me either, they'd just kill themselves hitting me with all my guards - and the DR I have is more then they can get thru, so I get hit for zero too... So it's generally a stalemate (until one of us lands some game-breaking shroud proc like lightning strike)

[Rendigar]

I like the idea. It is a take off on the show.

Who won the pirate/knight battle? I would go with knight because if his armor stopped the first bullet and the knight closed to within striking distance, the pirate would not have fared well. The pirate's of the 1400s through 1700s their guns were too slow to reload. Unless you are talking about today's pirates with the automatic weapons and grenade launchers, then the knight is toast.

The Pirate won.

[KatanAztar]

Exactly what are you disagreeing with? Your barb didn't qualify for the contest.. Like I said, no high DPS barbarian would.

My barb can hit a +65 hit for a short time, vs races he has a +5 greater bane for.. Which is most. That will go up into the high 70's, low 80s in mod9..

I've utterly destroyed many 75-80AC guys who claimed they were unkillable and made bets and such. There not a problem after a destruct, and sunder.

It's really only the 100+ AC rogue/monk types that are invulnerable to melee attacks. Tho they can't kill me either, they'd just kill themselves hitting me with all my guards - and the DR I have is more then they can get thru, so I get hit for zero too... So it's generally a stalemate (until one of us lands some game-breaking shroud proc like lightning strike)


Why do they let your to-hit progress that high? Dont they know how to move?

[Shade]

Why do they let your to-hit progress that high? Dont they know how to move?

They make the mistake of assuming there AC is so awesome they can just stand there and not worry about it... Then suddenly they find themselves tripped and unable to move.. Shortly after they die.

[noinfo]

ban the use of Fortification (all ?), vorpal, ability score damage, raid loot, crafted items, and consumables, and it might be interesting!

And none of this 3rd party buffing garbage. If you cant use potions and greensteel items why would you allow this?

[sephiroth1084]

I say, the contest should be fought with self-buffs only--allow potion/wand/scroll buffs to be consumed once at the start of the fight and that's it. Any self-casting is fine. Renewable abilities that heal (such as LoH) are usable only up to 1 normal daily allotment (3 for most paladins).

Some of the balance across the builds is what their abilities to buff are. No outside buffs. High-Ac paladin should beat a barbarian any day. 70ish AC, w/ 400 HP +3 LOH makes for around 750-800 HP. More than enough to absorb some attacks and take the barb out.

Sunder is all well and good, but you still have to hit with it. My paladins come with improved trip, which helps level the field (bdum-chhhh) vs. almost everyone.

[fishbai8]

You're all wrong most op and cheap build is a shiled blocking one just sit there with 33+ dr with leviks shield and a ton of guards and no melee can kill you, they'll die on your guards 10 times over before u run out of hp if they can even get past ur dr, u dont even need a single buff, ohh and wear deathward item vs vorpals. Tested it...... trust me i hate this lameness as well...