Eventually there comes a point....

[Chromus]

Eventually all the hype you built up will go away unless you ACTUALLY RELEASE SOMETHING! Back when this DDO:EU announcement was made I told friends and family members about this. Finally they were ready to come play with me and for a couple of weeks were excited. Now...eh...barely a peep. I know you Turbine folks think you're building all sorts of hype but the initial hype is GONE! You gotta release this thing before people forget about you....again.

[Demonfire]

/amen!

[Chromus]

Heres an example. I used to play Civilization for hours and hours and hours. Then I heard it was on x-box. I went to Best Buy to get the game and play it until my eyes bleed. Only problem is that it wasnt there for whatever reason. I never looked for it again. Bad form, Turbine.

[Drfirewater79]

Heres an example. I used to play Civilization for hours and hours and hours. Then I heard it was on x-box. I went to Best Buy to get the game and play it until my eyes bleed. Only problem is that it wasnt there for whatever reason. I never looked for it again. Bad form, Turbine.

I have the same problem i talked 10 people into trying it when they talked about ddo:U they looked up ign articles and massively and they said there is no release date?

all i could say is no dont know when its gonna be launched. Then last night I had someone over playing my PS3 and i mentioned that my wife and step son are interested in trying ddo once its free ... he said he would too and asked when is it gonna be free ... all i could say is I dont know one or two months hopefully .... his reply was damd dont know what game i will be involved in in two months from now.

The hype is already dead launch or it will all be a waste.

[VKhaun]

Eventually all the hype you built up will go away unless you ACTUALLY RELEASE SOMETHING!

Bull. People are still waiting for Duke Nukem forever even though it's canceled LOL.
My friend and I still check back on Planet-Side even though it's been left totally to rot.
Every time the Diablo2 ladder resets there's a flood of new players.

You're just sitting there in a position where you SHOULD TAKE A BREAK but instead you sit in a game you've done to death. I have plenty of games in the back of my mind with upgrades, releases, or changes coming down the pipe. As soon as DDO releases something everyone the hype touched will still come running unless they time it poorly with another similar game's release.

I'm still excited. I still know people waiting to jump on F2P.

I feel like I mostly see 2006'ers who are out of patience... take a break already. You'll never get content faster then you get tired of it from a game this old. Any game you play you should enjoy the act of playing first, and seek advancement second. Or it's work, not game time. It's an addiction on par with a binge eating disorder if you don't stop to taste what's good. Then, at least you'll just be fat on those delicious Wendy's burgers.

[Demoyn]

I feel like I mostly see 2006'ers who are out of patience... take a break already.

Oh yeah? I've only been back from my last break (over 2 years worth of break) for about 8 months now. Turbine is making me sick also. I feel like I mostly see fanbois who defend Turbine. Actually, make that ONLY fanbois who defend Turbine.

[Kalari]

Ive only been here since 2007 dont let the date fool you had better things to do like learning the game before really participating in the forums and my first glance put me off since even back then they had their fair share of argumentative ones.

The thing is back then even with the game changing we had communications. The delays for the mods were maybe a few weeks at best. Here weve had no new content releases (save lama) in months. Been strung along by promises of mod 9 with no clue of the major overhaul to the game (vast and mysterious anyone?) Now we hear that our game is going threw a major change. Even bigger then when they took away the xp debt, or gave us crafting. Now we have a system of microtransactions that is currently still holding up mod 9's release. Darn tooting the doom threads are at an all time high and I for once dont disagree with the sentiments.

sure people want to keep positive thats your perogative but telling people who have supported the game for years they shouldnt feel this way isnt right. If anything those who have been here from the get go should have every right to express their concerns. They know how a major change effects things. They have probably lost the most friends to various changes and can tell when something is gonna cause an exodus.

Im hoping this EU doesnt do this, but like Darkfire Ive gotten my friend to try the trial. Due to limited funds he couldnt subscribe and wouldnt let me help him with it (darn pride) now that ddo is supposed to be going f2p he is interested again but everytime he asks "is it ready?" I have to tell him no. Hes already lost interest again and once its launched I may not be able to get him back into the game due to him seeing my own disappointments with the wait.

Yes doom posts suck and I really wish I was back the way I was almost 2 years ago championing this game. But right now im really feeling like the others, Something needs to happen soon. two nights in a row ive logged in tried to play and after 5 mins gave up and read a book or went to bed. I have spent more time in the forums then playing. thats sad :(

[Hafeal]

I feel like I mostly see 2006'ers who are out of patience... take a break already. You'll never get content faster then you get tired of it from a game this old. Any game you play you should enjoy the act of playing first, and seek advancement second. Or it's work, not game time. It's an addiction on par with a binge eating disorder if you don't stop to taste what's good. Then, at least you'll just be fat on those delicious Wendy's burgers.

I understand your point, I may have said it to others a time or two in the past. Most 2006'ers are here and here to stay. They are not necessarily upset over the content - which they are likely to know inside and out. Their frustration is the continued practice of Turbine making promises and then failing to deliver.

There are many players who have held on after being promised Mod 9 in the early part of the year and who otherwise might have taken a break. Unfortunately, Turbine has repeatedly come out and continued to make promises which they have been unable to keep. Some of those players are now taking a permanent break after the repeated failure to issue Mod 9 Soon.

[VKhaun]

Either you're burned out or you're not. You can't sit here and say you feel this, think that, and people are like this... but you've been staying with the game anyway. Then use leaving as some kind of verbal weapon. YOU SHOULD BE GONE. What's wrong with you? Why would you still be playing if you feel this way? It makes no sense. I don't have to attack you or defend Turbine to make that statement. It just doesn't work as you put it all by yourself.

If you're burned out you need a break, another break again, or another game to focus on entirely be it temporary or permanent. That's not divining anything about you, to point out the contradiction in what you say and what your actions say. If a mod, especially a big mod that's not even here yet, is the only reason you play a game, you meet this criteria if you like it or not, if you recognize it or not. Turbine can not cure your stubbornness.

[VKhaun]

Their frustration is the continued practice of Turbine making promises and then failing to deliver.

I get that.
I am also bothered by lack of communication and honesty sometimes.
I had a lifetime sub to Hellgate:London when that went under.
/facepalm

The top post focus was hype diluting with time, and that's just not working out. I don't have to make sweeping unsupported statements about more people then I know. Go look on any of the very many game news sites. Their forums. Mult-game sites. Multi-game guilds. People have their eye out knowing F2P is coming to this game. Watch the server queues with a F2P account without priority when that comes out.

Meanwhile the same people whine about something else because they're still banging their head against the wall on a game they should have left. Read these post histories. Go to last page. You'll find a whine post about Turbine from months ago on their farthest back page of old posts. This is not mod9. This is them fed up for a long time and staying with the game anyway. No mod can fix their broken brains, staying with a game and spending their free time on a game they are tired of and have been tired of for months if not years.


And with many others I have a sinking suspicion that this mod wont have tons of new stuff just a lot of redone old things that many people will be too leary to bother with since years of it being borked or not worth running in the first place. So throwing in new goodies and maybe bumping up the xp isnt going to change that for many. So im really hoping im wrong but with that and the lag monster still looming im really getting worried about mod 9.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=2127139#post2127139
(Closed thread)



So we're supposed to be ok with the addition of 4 quests and a raid to get us 540,000 xp and 4 levels? I was positive there would be at least 8 new quests (giantholdish) and a epic preraid and even more epic raid. Possibly 2 raids. Needless to say I'm highly disappointed. The only thing that would disappoint me more is if theres even 1 portal to beat on in Mod 9.

[Kalari]

You know Vkaun ive tried to seriously consider your postion of if you dont like it leave. And while you think the forum posters are a small minority who think these changes are game breaking many of us are going by the shrinking guilds the looking for groups that stay up for hours due to lack of interest in running the same old thing. I wish I could say that my posts come from wild speculation but they do not.

Sure I could leave and probably not come back, that means turbine lost yet another paying subscriber. Im sure they really want that instead of letting us vent in their forums :rolleyes:

Like it or lump it until we see something live this is the way its gonna be. And considering the last few mods had something more then hype live events on the actual server actual in game contests (race to unlock the subterranean anyone?) Its really hard not to feel like this hype and wait has not been a big let down. And as someone who went toe to to in the Escapist forums with jerks who put our game down and us down I feel like a real fool still after the "coming soon" nonsense that we are still putting up with.

But your right I should just take my money elsewhere I guess being able to complain is something that no subscriber should get to do.

[VKhaun]

You know Vkaun ive tried to seriously consider your postion of if you dont like it leave. And while you think the forum posters are a small minority who think these changes are game breaking many of us are going by the shrinking guilds the looking for groups that stay up for hours due to lack of interest in running the same old thing. I wish I could say that my posts come from wild speculation but they do not.

Sure I could leave and probably not come back, that means turbine lost yet another paying subscriber. Im sure they really want that instead of letting us vent in their forums :rolleyes:

Like it or lump it until we see something live this is the way its gonna be. And considering the last few mods had something more then hype live events on the actual server actual in game contests (race to unlock the subterranean anyone?) Its really hard not to feel like this hype and wait has not been a big let down. And as someone who went toe to to in the Escapist forums with jerks who put our game down and us down I feel like a real fool still after the "coming soon" nonsense that we are still putting up with.

But your right I should just take my money elsewhere I guess being able to complain is something that no subscriber should get to do.


You've used numbers as a red herring.

If someone is fed up and bored with a game they should leave to find something that's fun.
This is still true if it's a guild full of someones, or a server full of someones.

It's not about whining at people being 'wrong' or that you're not allowed/entitled to should you feel like. It's about the logical choice for the person who is actually whining. It doesn't make sense to stay and whine playing something you're bored with vs going to play something fun or find something fun for your 'game' time. Ever. It will never, ever, make sense. Staying is a round hole, for the cylindrical block of enjoyment to go through. The square peg of fed up and bored DUZ NOT FIT. :(

[Furbitor]

Bull. People are still waiting for Duke Nukem forever even though it's canceled LOL.
My friend and I still check back on Planet-Side even though it's been left totally to rot.
Every time the Diablo2 ladder resets there's a flood of new players.

You're just sitting there in a position where you SHOULD TAKE A BREAK but instead you sit in a game you've done to death. I have plenty of games in the back of my mind with upgrades, releases, or changes coming down the pipe. As soon as DDO releases something everyone the hype touched will still come running unless they time it poorly with another similar game's release.

I'm still excited. I still know people waiting to jump on F2P.

I feel like I mostly see 2006'ers who are out of patience... take a break already. You'll never get content faster then you get tired of it from a game this old. Any game you play you should enjoy the act of playing first, and seek advancement second. Or it's work, not game time. It's an addiction on par with a binge eating disorder if you don't stop to taste what's good. Then, at least you'll just be fat on those delicious Wendy's burgers.

Nope see below!!

http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Master-Chief-is-in-Fact-Duke-Nukem--Forever-2.jpg/

You been playing it...
:D

[Kalari]

Well then I guess your right, it wrong to feel passion about a game that ive enjoyed for years. I should just take my unhappy self and leave. Im sure the friends Ive made will understand of course they will and maybe one day we will find another mmo that has been as captivating as this one was. I guess its better to kick out all the barking dogs and let it be full of everyone who thinks a like thinks the game has no fault or flaws. Ignore that the delay between mods and the reskinning instead of new original concepts have been norm for awhile now.

Yep I should leave and so should the other complainers because our opinions only count if were not voicing concerns against the change.

Sorry if im sounding bitter and honestly I really I didnt feel this way but I do and I could leave and maybe i'll take your advice and will leave. I just hope their gamble will pay off because out of all the mmo's ive tried none have held me as long as this game. Doubt I will find another at this point either.

[Drfirewater79]

I have spent more time in the forums then playing. thats sad :(

I know what you mean i have been dieing to get my wife playing DDO and DDO:U was the answer ... delay after delay and no info has me either on the forums complaining or playing my ps3 and not DDO. I love this game have since march 2006 ... gameplay is best in any mmo bar none ... but content has always been lacking ... now they have this great game saving strategy and they wont put it into action. Trust me at this point its better to launch it incomplete then delay further.


Either you're burned out or you're not. You can't sit here and say you feel this, think that, and people are like this... but you've been staying with the game anyway. Then use leaving as some kind of verbal weapon. YOU SHOULD BE GONE. What's wrong with you? Why would you still be playing if you feel this way? It makes no sense. I don't have to attack you or defend Turbine to make that statement. It just doesn't work as you put it all by yourself.

If you're burned out you need a break, another break again, or another game to focus on entirely be it temporary or permanent. That's not divining anything about you, to point out the contradiction in what you say and what your actions say. If a mod, especially a big mod that's not even here yet, is the only reason you play a game, you meet this criteria if you like it or not, if you recognize it or not. Turbine can not cure your stubbornness.

You must be new to MMO's .... mmo's are the most addictive type of game cause you talk and make friends with people all around the world. Leaving an mmo is like leaving your friends with intent on never seeing them again.

What turbine has done is rare for the mmo market ... mass exidos doesnt happen often in mmo worlds. People get comfortable gaming with a small group of people and look forward to seeing them day after day and sharing part of there life with these people. The company that offers you this connection is responsible for keeping you entertained and for that you pay a fee.

Turbine may be going to a free to play model but they arent there yet. So they have been neglecting there side of the deal. We are still paying but they are not continuing to supply content and havent done so in over 9 months ... they arent giving us 9 months worth of TP they arent giving us 9 months VIP status ....they arent giving us the experience we are losing ... and they are not even giving us a launch date ... so we can just leave or suspend our accounts till its ready.

i paid for an account that will be up in september that means i payed my 15$ per month up till then but i havent gotten my 15$ worth out of the game the last three months .. not like i can put my account on hold and wait this out and take my remaining 2-3 months when mod 9 launches ... so turbine is ripping me off by making me wait longer. People have every right to be angry at Turbine for how they are handling this, cause we pay for that right. mod 9 should have been launched with or without DDO:U by now. If they are having issues with ddo:u that is fine and understandable its a big change ... but mod 9 was in beta pre ddo:u meaning it can be launched independently the reason they haven't is cause they want to do it all at once.

That is what people are angry about ... we wait and wait and wait and still nothing to show for our patience and hard earned money we have spent to support a company that doesnt support us in return.

I would love to take a break from ddo but i am not paying them 15$ a month to not play there game.... and i am sick of waiting for them to get there heads out of there a$$e$ at the cost of my dollar.

if you cant understand that then there is no point in talking to you ... if something as plane as that doesnt make you understand then nothing will .... and its pointless to debate with someone who doesnt understand what your debating.

[VKhaun]

You must be new to MMO's .... mmo's are the most addictive type of game cause you talk and make friends with people all around the world. Leaving an mmo is like leaving your friends with intent on never seeing them again.

That's hilarious in the context of your other posts.

[Chromus]

I love how theres always an idiot on here. Especially ones that want to make what you say what they want to read. The hype machine that was created a month ago is failing. When this huge announcement came out I told everyone I think would have been interested about it. As the weeks have passed so has the chatter in my honest estimation. I'm not talking about uber-gamer forums, I'm talking about real life people that know nothing of gaming and can honestly just play the game or not play. It seemed appealing to those people weeks ago and at this point they've forgotten about it. And this is supposed to continue for an indefinite amount of time? I knew there was going to be a problem when I saw the words "later this summer"....LOL. So go ahead and dig up my old posts in a futile attempt to try and interject something you may find intelligent but I have no intention of leaving this game. In fact, I'm going to log on right now and run some shrouds. :)

Edit: I have 9 capped toons and the only reason I dont have 10 is that I've been waiting and holding that slot for when my friends/family join on. Only further proves my point cause I'm all excited to run the old quests with those people and they're like "eh...send me an email if this thing ever happens".

[Kalari]

My last point on this since I noticed you brought up my post from Gum's unfairly closed thread voicing his disappointment which was a valid thread from a long time player voicing our concerns on the delay which even back then was a long time.

Yes I said things about the game changes back then that worried me before we knew about EU because I was one of the fools who worked for days with the TDM to get it working to try the first launch of Lama. I went by what I saw with my own two eyes including silly changes to quests like STK that disheartened me about mod 9's release. And I stand by that feeling of dread till I see positive that ive been wrong about it.

I could go on beta and learn the new stuff as they release tidbits, but then when it goes live I'll have the same feeling of "been there done that" wheres mod 10?

Cant you see what stringing us along giving us bits in a preview server instead of releasing it is doing to a once loyal united fanbase? A few months ago we took the Escapist forums over with our "GO Turbine" chants. We defended vehemently our game because to this date ddo has been the most unique game ever mass marketed. There was a showing of respect for an mmo that didnt conform like the others did, where you actually learned as you played the game or gave up if you didnt cut it.

These new changes may change that (note I said may). And many of us are worried about that rightly so. We understand the need for new blood but will it cost us the game weve come to love to get that? and will it be worth it? I think those are important questions.

[Drfirewater79]

That's hilarious in the context of your other posts.

I have no intention on leaving the game but i have lost at least 40 friends who have left the game in the last three years people who helped me deal with losing my father two years ago ... people who helped me with issues and people i have helped i have lost three guilds (thats FULL GUILDS) to drop outs in the last year and a half alone. Only thing i have ever said is that my account ends in september and if ddo:u isnt here by then i am not re-subbing again. I also believe deep within my soul that there are at least 100 people on sarlona who feel the same way ... **** i even hear it on DDOcast from some of the announcers there about how they are likely to leave the game ... how do you go from loving the game so much that you podcast for it to hating the game so much that you feel like you want to leave?

This is what the people who have been playing the game since 2k6 are all feeling we been here along time and turbine hasnt done a good job of keeping the ddo community together. we have lost so many people along the way I only wonder how many more we have to lose before turbine understands what they have done to the game we love.

[Drfirewater79]

many of us are worried about that rightly so. We understand the need for new blood but will it cost us the game weve come to love to get that? and will it be worth it? I think those are important questions.

thank you thank you thank you

i swear kalari sometimes i think you are the only one who understands me :P