2 Man VOD

[Bloodhaven]

2 man <non WF>, 62 minute Vod

Resources used:

Bloodpact:
6 charges of Shield, 2 GH scrolls 50 haste pots.

Xereum/Enochroot
32 Heal scrolls
5 Waves of exaust scrolls
6 waves of fatigue
10 GH scrolls
2 Remove fear pots
3 Remove Curse pots

ZERO mana pots.
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9585/screenshot00015x.jpg

[Bloodhaven]

2k plat repair bill for bloodpact.

Raid loot from the chest:

Enlightened Vestments - (Robe) Armor Bonus +6, Banishing Fists, Wisdom +6

.. not the goggles I was looking for ;(

[Enochroot]

I bet it would've gone faster without that gimpy dex build in there. Seriously, wet noodles.

Anyway, for the record, this is why I get ****ed at VoD resource expenditure, it really shouldn't take m/any resources.

[Bloodhaven]

I totally agree. If someone is using mana pots and stacks of scrolls it may be a good idea to look at the tactics being used.

[Bloodhaven]

I found another 2 man VOD

2 WF one scorc one barb.

They used 43 majors 72 scrolls and took 49 mins to complete.


http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=166819

[Bunker]

I totally agree. If someone is using mana pots and stacks of scrolls it may be a good idea to look at the tactics being used.

The one nice thing about tactics is that they evolve over time.

Nice Pic and Completions

/cheers -Bunk

[Shade]

Tactics?

What kind of noob can't understand the tactics in this raid?

It's tank and spank. I can accurately describe your tactics with 100% certainty without even knowing you because the raid is so basic..

Ranger disables traps. Ranger tanks boss. Cleric debuffs. Cleric heals. Both clear trash. Done.

This raid has almost no tactics. The only thing some groups do that others don't is debuff - which is just a matter of using a couple scrolls on him.

Wasting resources is just a fact of players who don't have the stats to do the raid with a low resource use. It's an almost entirely build/gear dependant raid, rather then a tactical one.

It can be done on elite with zero mana pot use and low scroll use too.. There is just a higher requirement of character stats and race this time - need a tough warforged for the tank so you can reconstruct without wasting scrolls like you would on heal scrolls due to curse.

So grats on beating it. And grats on having strong enough build/gear to make doing normal a low resource intensive raid.

[Bloodhaven]

Hi Axer, I haven't bin on Khyber in a while. Are you still on that multiclas bashing spree? Im Zeroskills In TFC.

[Philam]

I say well done!

[Lithic]

sure you told us how many mana pots you didnt use, but how much time did you spend blocking 5 devils with the hound shield while recharging mana from your torc +8 conc. opp. items? :D

[Bloodhaven]

He had 2 devils recharging him with 2 conc items and a torc i think. You can see it go off in the screen shot ;) I was the ranger in the back with all the orthons on him

[Enochroot]

sure you told us how many mana pots you didnt use, but how much time did you spend blocking 5 devils with the hound shield while recharging mana from your torc +8 conc. opp. items? :D

I have regularly touted the praises of sp regeneration on the forums, and would in no way deny it, and purposefully picked the screenshot we used because it indeed showed completion + tanking + regen + ... well, really, everything. Sp regen is fantastic and should be used!

To Shade, we were in no way tring to say these tactics were somehow new, ingenius, original, or amazing. In my opinion, the point of this (besides to enlarge our e-peens) - was to show people VoD should NOT be taking any resources to complete. We pug regularly on Sarlona (our guild is only 4 people) - and the number of VoD's I see with upwards of 300+ scrolls (repair or heal) - plus pots, is insanity. And this is a good many moons since low sp tactics have been stabilized.

So hopefully pug-land is somewhat inspired by low/no resource VoD, and it also gives us an easy link to post in group next time some noob group hell-bent on repairing the silly WF tank won't let us convince them AC tanking is far superior. ;)

And I know you probably meant full-group no resource elite "tough WF tank" - but I'd love you to post no resource elite "two-man tough WF tank" for me - since you're such a condescending badass.

[tc12]

So doing VoD "right" means grinding for the Torc and then Shroud for 48 ingred for *2* conc opp items? No thanks, I'll use a few scrolls and occasionally some pots on a suboptimal group. If that means my cleric isn't uber I can live with that. LOL

[Enochroot]

So doing VoD "right" means grinding for the Torc and then Shroud for 48 ingred for *2* conc opp items? No thanks, I'll use a few scrolls and occasionally some pots on a suboptimal group. If that means my cleric isn't uber I can live with that. LOL

No, I consistently run VoD higher than two-man with clerics sub-1200 sp, no regen items, and use zero resources. Not sure I could run them two-man, but that's not the point.

Want me to post 12-man screenies for you of zero resources in PUGs on sub-1200 sp non-regen battleclerics, or are you smart enough to extrapolate the tactics (that Shade spelled out for you) and figure it out yourself?

Or want to just post snarky, pointless replies about how gimpy your cleric is? (and poorly played)

[Monkey_Archer]

First... Gratz. Very impressive.

Second... Indeed hell has frozen over, I have to agree with Shade here :( somewhat.. :rolleyes:
Doing the raid with such few resources is entirely dependant on build/gear. I agree AC tanking is superior, but there are not many builds that can reach high enough ac and dps at the same time. (pretty much only ranger/monks) Not to mention alot of clerics dont have torc or neg/pos items...

I agree 300+ scrolls + pots is insanity, but not every group has a totally geared out ac tank to spare... hell, im lucky if i can even find someone who can tank. :D

[Spisey]

I found another 2 man VOD

2 WF one scorc one barb.

They used 43 majors 72 scrolls and took 49 mins to complete.


Yeap that was about 7 months ago. I didn't have either the torq or concordant items yet so had no mana regen. I'm sure if I was to bring my new sorc, the time and resources would be a bit less....

[Enochroot]

Yeap that was about 7 months ago. I didn't have either the torq or concordant items yet so had no mana regen. I'm sure if I was to bring my new sorc, the time and resources would be a bit less....

Agreed! I don't think Blood was trying to bash that run - I actually cringed when he pulled up that quote, I knew in forum land it would be interpreted as an insult - obviously it's many moons later, and I'm sure y'all were just going for 2-man completion, not giving a rats' about consumables.

The amount of people I run into that INSIST VoD is high resource consumption STILL, however, is just insane.

[Calozz78]

So doing VoD "right" means grinding for the Torc and then Shroud for 48 ingred for *2* conc opp items? No thanks, I'll use a few scrolls and occasionally some pots on a suboptimal group. If that means my cleric isn't uber I can live with that. LOL

There is no "right way" but there is a "strategically savvy" way of doing things. 2 manning raids is not for the common player. It takes a great player and decent equipment. But don't fret sir, ddo store will help you be like the OP, for a price ;)

[Enochroot]

There is no "right way" but there is a "strategically savvy" way of doing things. 2 manning raids is not for the common player. It takes a great player and decent equipment. But don't fret sir, ddo store will help you be like the OP, for a price ;)

Ok, regarding this torc malarkey - DQ has been out for HOW long? And what are you doing wasting your time in VoD if you don't have the torc already? What great item are you pulling from VoD that's better than the torc?

Run DQ and stop pretending we have some insanely rare and impossible to find loot for this. Imo it's along the same lines as saying "yeah, but you have blue scale armor, a potency VI item, and minos legens"

Gear your toon up already. (Unless you come back and tell me you're on run 65 of DQ or something)

[Calozz78]

[QUOTE=Enochroot;2284236]Ok, regarding this torc malarkey - DQ has been out for HOW long? And what are you doing wasting your time in VoD if you don't have the torc already? What great item are you pulling from VoD that's better than the torc?

Run DQ and stop pretending we have some insanely rare and impossible to find loot for this. Imo it's along the same lines as saying "yeah, but you have blue scale armor, a potency VI item, and minos legens"

Gear your toon up already. (Unless you come back and tell me you're on run 65 of DQ or something)[/QUOTE




Did you read the OP description of his buddy healing him "He had 2 devils recharging him with 2 conc items and a torc i think. You can see it go off in the screen shot I was the ranger in the back with all the orthons on him"

Now listen carefully--- How many clerics do you know with 2 CONC items and the torc?
This is not causal player gear. Stop trolling the forums to give your (uneducated(you didn't read the post) opinion. Do that on LOTRO's site :)

[Anthios888]

Grats! (Cleric power!)

[Spisey]

Ok, regarding this torc malarkey - DQ has been out for HOW long? And what are you doing wasting your time in VoD if you don't have the torc already? What great item are you pulling from VoD that's better than the torc?

Run DQ and stop pretending we have some insanely rare and impossible to find loot for this. Imo it's along the same lines as saying "yeah, but you have blue scale armor, a potency VI item, and minos legens"

Gear your toon up already. (Unless you come back and tell me you're on run 65 of DQ or something)

heh first attempt at a caster after 3 years of playing and just rolled him mebbe a month prior to this feat. Never came here to gripe just saying that the run went very good and wanted to gratz the OP on his run!

Unless your here to help me with my neg rep attempt. In that case your a hippocrit and jacka$$! :D I want to help forumites to the dark side! :p

[Enochroot]

Did you read the OP description of his buddy healing him "He had 2 devils recharging him with 2 conc items and a torc i think. You can see it go off in the screen shot I was the ranger in the back with all the orthons on him"

Now listen carefully--- How many clerics do you know with 2 CONC items and the torc?
This is not causal player gear. Stop trolling the forums to give your (uneducated(you didn't read the post) opinion. Do that on LOTRO's site :)

What? Uneducated? I AM that cleric. How on earth do you think I don't know what the OP said or what gear I was wearing?

THAT IS MY SCREENSHOT!

*** are you talking about anway? The torc gives off more sp's than dual conc. opp items ANYWAY. So stop trolling our achievement with ridiculous accusations that this gear is so uber. All I said was to go get yourself a torc, it takes about an hour per run, even before they change the flagging mechanism, and is much, much more valuable than anything you get out of VoD.

I can't believe I just got accused of not reading (or being educated about) the post of a 2 man attempt about the cleric that I AM. I love the forums.

For the record, any casual player with a cleric main, by NOW, could easily have 2 conc. opps and a torc. People don't because they play their clerics like sheep.

[Calozz78]

LOL, can't believe I missed that.. I was read this post in the morning and only read what you quoted me. I read the post and not the user who was bashing me (you had no bio)

I was under the assumption* that you had torc and 2 conc items. If that is the case see next line. If you only had the torc than my hats off to you and I was mistaking your post for someone who was trying to down play your accomplishment.



BUT to defend the my post... 24 larges spent on A CLERIC is not casual gamer and is not common at all. And you are right, most people don't put most resources into their cleric(sheep as you said). And thats why I said its not casual gamer.

Sooo.. great job on the achievement and simply listing your alts in your bio will prevent people who drink a lot, mistaking who is posting:)

[Enochroot]

LOL, can't believe I missed that.. I was read this post in the morning and only read what you quoted me. I read the post and not the user who was bashing me (you had no bio)

I was under the assumption* that you had torc and 2 conc items. If that is the case see next line. If you only had the torc than my hats off to you and I was mistaking your post for someone who was trying to down play your accomplishment.



BUT to defend the my post... 24 larges spent on A CLERIC is not casual gamer and is not common at all. And you are right, most people don't put most resources into their cleric(sheep as you said). And thats why I said its not casual gamer.

Sooo.. great job on the achievement and simply listing your alts in your bio will prevent people who drink a lot, mistaking who is posting:)

Fine.

Your attitude towards cleric is ignorant. "24 larges spend on a CLERIC" - what does that even mean? Cleric's are uber ... not spending larges on their cleric isn't because they're a casual gamer, they just don't understand how powerful cleric's are.

And yes, I have two conc. opp items (hp/sp, why wouldn't you?) - but I AM saying the exact same feat would be entirely possible with JUST a torc, as it's more powerful than the two items combined.

So don't spend your larges on "just a cleric" if you don't want to - but at least gear your cleric out in your spare time - it will pay off huge down the road.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

I can't believe people troll other people's achievement posts. Shame on you.

And congratulations to the OP - well deserved achievement! The 3 man VOD quoted above was done before the changes in Sulu's hitpoints so it makes this achievement even more impressive.

Garth

[Enochroot]

I can't believe people troll other people's achievement posts. Shame on you.

And congratulations to the OP - well deserved achievement! The 3 man VOD quoted above was done before the changes in Sulu's hitpoints so it makes this achievement even more impressive.

Garth

The discussion so far has been fine on this thread - you want another achievements thread of "gratz" "congratz" "good job" "congratz"?

Those are SUPER interesting.

[Bloodhaven]

Xereum is Enochroot.

[moops]

Grats! Its a blast shortmaning things and coming up with the strategies for the players and gear you have:) Keeps the game interesting:)

[Dark-Star]

Well done!

[Caden_the_Dictator]

Fact: 90% of server population here doesnt run DQ Raid. "It's too hard", it takes too long to get flagged for it", yada yada yada.

If you run the quest, the torc will come. If u want to whine about not having the torc, that would be because you are not man enough to go get one. Which will sway this argument back to "i have better stuff to do then the DQ raid, such as troll forums and start pointless arguments." You sucked me right into this one dude.

They 2 manned VOD, no warforges, very limited resources. So man up and do it without your torc or stop criticizing those with the common sense to go get one. Regenning mana makes more sense than taking the dirty beatings you do with no mana regenning. FTR

When man someday actually walks on the moon, i doubt we will criticize Nasa using tactics and equipment to get there. The forum troll above me might i guess, but he would criticize anything anyone writes for the sake of criticism.

So let's stay positive.