Balance vs Haggle

[Goldeneye]

Discussion:
On a solo-centric Halfling STR Rogue, what is more important: Balance or Haggle?
What is your personal opinion?

[Nyvn]

If you plan on taking Thief Acrobat you don't need any ranks in Balance. Immune to knock downs is pretty awesome.

[Purgatory]

That easy. if you solo and get knocked down = dead if u dont get back up fast

[Goldeneye]

I was debating taking Acrobat II purely for the Running Speed Increase, and Knockdown Immunity, however I'm thinking of taking points in Balance, because I want the flexibility to re-spec my Enhancements, and not be stuck with Acrobat if I need more AP for some other enhancements.

[vainangel]

I say balance and make a hag bot like everyone else
:P

[SableShadow]

Discussion:
On a solo-centric Halfling STR Rogue, what is more important: Balance or Haggle?
What is your personal opinion?

Personally? No one got one-shotted because of a low haggle. And you're probably be going to spend at least a little time in the Titan, where being able to hit a high 30s/low 40s Balance is going to be handy.

[Goldeneye]

Balance it is!!

[Noctus]

Balance.

[Venar]

Balance.
Haggle is one of the waaaaaaaaaay over-estimated skills in the game.
It has no combat value (like balance or heal), no agility value (like jump or tumble), no influence value (diplo/intim/bluff).

All it does is get you stuff from NPC for a little cheaper, and sell for a little more.
The difference is hardly worth it.
Even my charismaless, haggleless characters have no trouble at all buying what he needs. $$ is not an issue in this game, not for everyday "haggling" (selling your stuff and buying wands/potions).


What always amaze me is to see people pump Haggle, and yet they do not go to various houses brokers to sell stuff.
If the trip to House D is not worth it for you (sure aint for me), then haggle should be ignored.

Oh, and there is no such thing as a haggle bot. Any character with good CHA and lots of skills (like a bard) can get a Haggle item and there you go. Specifically making a character for haggle is one heck of a good way to waste a character slot, or to gimp your toon. My bard cant fight for ****, but darn, i can buy scrolls for a little less money! ROFL.

A hate it, HATE it, when i have to wait on someone before a raid because he wants to buy things with his bard, and then pass to the cleric, or do a wand run, etc... DUDE, i will GIVE you the peanuts you are supposely saving to just get your a** over here so we can start!

[Riorik]

I was debating taking Acrobat II purely for the Running Speed Increase, and Knockdown Immunity, however I'm thinking of taking points in Balance, because I want the flexibility to re-spec my Enhancements, and not be stuck with Acrobat if I need more AP for some other enhancements.

Take something else -- Immunity to Knockdown is hugely different from merely having a high balance score. The first time I tried out Assassin...I figured it was the route I'd go for a melee build...then I tried Acrobat and I'm just not seeing how anything could possibly be better.

My advice, I'd make it fit and let anything else be regarded as secondary. In any case, you're going to need to make that decision yourself...definately, try it out for a few weeks (not a few days) and absolutely make sure you go places where autoknockdown just happens...Reaver, SoS, pretty much anywhere you find air elementals, (various "dog" enemies), (various "cat" enemies)...etc.

[Varr]

Discussion:
On a solo-centric Halfling STR Rogue, what is more important: Balance or Haggle?
What is your personal opinion?

Solo, high str modest ac, rogue..... I love rogue but you are asking for the pain.... Haggle or balance. Got to think you will end up assassin if soloing at higher levels so got to be balance.

[Leyoni]

Haggle is one of the waaaaaaaaaay over-estimated skills in the game.
It has no combat value (like balance or heal), no agility value (like jump or tumble), no influence value (diplo/intim/bluff).

All it does is get you stuff from NPC for a little cheaper, and sell for a little more.
The difference is hardly worth it.

Oh how wrong this advice is! Haggle is absolutely worth it. The difference can be >50%. My haggle character buys at below value from vendors. That is extremely valuable when buying scrolls and potions.

However, if you only have enough skill points for one or the other then go for balance. Solo-centric doesn't mean you can't give things to a haggle character to sell.

[Venar]

I understand you sell and buy for better price.
But does anyone actually needs better prices? It rains money in DDO.

[MysticRhythms]

If you play ofen enough, I agree with everyone here that Balance is much more useful than Haggle, especially for a soloist. But if you don't play often enough, consider that you will already have a ridiculously high Dexterity when playing a Rogue. That plus an item for the times where Balance is useful could be enough.

You can always get Balance enhancements as well.

Your Charisma will never be as high as your Dexterity, so you can get a lot more "bang for the buck" by devoting ranks into Haggle over Balance. I'd still prefer Balance, but it's something to consider.

What do you *really* use more often? Your balance skill or the Heroism/Haste/Barksin potions you'll be buying day-in and day out?

[Goldeneye]

Venar really closed the deal. Though it is tempting to make more money, the important fact is that I really don't need the plat in ddo. (I wish I could say that in real life.) Balance it is guys, thanks for contibuting. Interested in seeing the build I am working on: visit HERE (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=186007)

[SlipperyPete]

Balance for a rogue and save the haggle for a haggle bot bard. If forget the exact formula that each point of haggle has on selling price but it's one of those things where you either go all in forget it exists.

[spyderwolf]

Balance.
Haggle is one of the waaaaaaaaaay over-estimated skills in the game.
It has no combat value (like balance or heal), no agility value (like jump or tumble), no influence value (diplo/intim/bluff).

All it does is get you stuff from NPC for a little cheaper, and sell for a little more.
The difference is hardly worth it.
Even my charismaless, haggleless characters have no trouble at all buying what he needs. $$ is not an issue in this game, not for everyday "haggling" (selling your stuff and buying wands/potions).


What always amaze me is to see people pump Haggle, and yet they do not go to various houses brokers to sell stuff.
If the trip to House D is not worth it for you (sure aint for me), then haggle should be ignored.

Oh, and there is no such thing as a haggle bot. Any character with good CHA and lots of skills (like a bard) can get a Haggle item and there you go. Specifically making a character for haggle is one heck of a good way to waste a character slot, or to gimp your toon. My bard cant fight for ****, but darn, i can buy scrolls for a little less money! ROFL.

A hate it, HATE it, when i have to wait on someone before a raid because he wants to buy things with his bard, and then pass to the cleric, or do a wand run, etc... DUDE, i will GIVE you the peanuts you are supposely saving to just get your a** over here so we can start!

thats not entirely true. my bard can buy 100 resurrection scrolls for 50k less than a no haggle toon. 75 haggle makes a huge difference. but i only shroud and sell on him and only sell at the pawn brokers in d and k. i get 5k plat for 162k weaps and 4 k palt for 128k weaps. its totally worth it if ya have a character slot sitting around collecting dusts.

but im totally with everyone ion it. dont take haggle over balance. youd be crazy to make a haggle rogue. :P