Charging noobs for completions on easy quests?

[Purgatory]

notice a few people been doing this mostly from the same guil maybe the same person idk

But they go in solo fairly easy quests then toss up a lfm and charge noobs for completions on theses quests

Some these quests are

Monistary
some the vale quest

and today titan flaggin quests.

Usualy the price for completions seems to be runes, rarer vale ingredents, or named items if pulled.

I dont know maybe It's just me but i find these lfm very preditorial towards noobs as any vetran can solo these quests blind folded and pack full of soul stones.

I think im going to start charging this guild and there members a fee for grouping with me as i can't even begin to count the many many times i have carried there members threw quests and raids or have used way to many resourses getting them threw it with out even a simple ty from most of them to now see them start charging people for completion of quests that are just to easy to do and it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that i would like to spit out.

[Memnir]

An enterprising idea, if a tad shady.
IMHO, if they can get people to join the quest & collect the fee they are asking for - more power to em. I'm not mercenary enough to make/join such an LFM, but I won't think poorly of any who do. It's their game time that they pay for, and if there is no harm being done who am I to frown on how they choose to spend it.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

I blame Legion.


Wait, is Legion on this server?

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[Vint]

You cna group and play with who you want and how you want in the gem. I myslef wont play with people or guilds that like to exploit other unexperienced players.

P.S. I love Legion

[Eternity25]

Are you sure they were charging others to have entry into the quest? I interpreted it as they would be given the gold if they helped pull the mask. There are a few people on the Thelanis server who do solo quests and look for help pulling things. You could have misinterpreted the LFM.

[Minor_Threat]

Are you sure they were charging others to have entry into the quest? I interpreted it as they would be given the gold if they helped pull the mask. There are a few people on the Thelanis server who do solo quests and look for help pulling things. You could have misinterpreted the LFM.

I've seen your LFM's Pheona. I'm surprised your guild tolerates it.

It's obvious you're a tad greedy.

[SableShadow]

I don't understand...why would this be a problem? I've seen a fair number of Vale lfms trading free chests for ingreds or stones, and Refuge lfms trading chests for runes.

I've joined these lfms and given away ingreds, stones, and runes I don't need in exchange for quick chests before...if people know what they're getting into before they join, what's the problem?

[Vint]

It's bad taste. There are so many post about raid loot "Keep your loot or give it up for roll". I'll be damned if i a going to run a quest with anyone and told that I HAVE to give them something I pulled. Free completion or not, it is pure greed.

[Purgatory]

Well if you can't see the wrong in charging new players and noobs for completions on flaggin quests then the guild that keeps doing this should have no problem paying My fees when they try and pug into any my raids.

[Minor_Threat]

it's not so much the gems, essences, & such.

It's the.

"Cursed Crypt - I get Scourge Choker" LFM's

It's just bad form and he doesn't seem to understand why he gets declined from raid groups.

[transtemporal]

I agree with Sable. You get completion (favor), free chests and end reward and you don't have to do anything but run to the end, in exchange for your rune/stone/ingreds/essence? Sounds pretty fair to me.

Shady would be letting them join saying "free chests", waiting til they got to the end THEN saying "Oh you have to give me your rune".

[Eternity25]

I've seen your LFM's Pheona. I'm surprised your guild tolerates it.

It's obvious you're a tad greedy.

I'm not being greedy by giving away free completions and saving others time for flagging if they want to join my LFMs. I don't ask to have anything donated to me. Its completely optional to join my LFMs for free favor, free completion, or free flagging. If I ask for a named item that has a 1% chance of dropping in return for giving away the free things and letting others step in to also get credit, that is not being greedy.

[SableShadow]

It's bad taste. There are so many post about raid loot "Keep your loot or give it up for roll". I'll be damned if i a going to run a quest with anyone and told that I HAVE to give them something I pulled. Free completion or not, it is pure greed.

*shrug*

kk

I occasionally toss a Kobold or Monastary completion out there for freebies, but that's just because I was doing it anyway. If someone wants to provide a similar service, but wants something for it, I don't see the harm...so long as they set the expectations before you join.

Just don't join if you don't want to meet the expectations of the lfm...I usually skip the naked tempest runs, for instance. :D

[Minor_Threat]

I'm not being greedy by giving away free completions and saving others time for flagging if they want to join my LFMs. I don't ask to have anything donated to me. Its completely optional to join my LFMs for free favor, free completion, or free flagging. If I ask for a named item that has a 1% chance of dropping in return for giving away the free things and letting others step in to also get credit, that is not being greedy.

I disagree.

[Purgatory]

*shrug*

kk

I occasionally toss a Kobold or Monastary completion out there for freebies, but that's just because I was doing it anyway. If someone wants to provide a similar service, but wants something for it, I don't see the harm...so long as they set the expectations before you join.

Just don't join if you don't want to meet the expectations of the lfm...I usually skip the naked tempest runs, for instance. :D

If your putting lfm up and not charging ppl and exploiting new players and noobs in the process then this has nothing to do with you.

[transtemporal]

"Cursed Crypt - I get Scourge Choker" LFM's

Oh yeah, thats not very cool. I haven't seen LFMs like that in a very long time though.

[Minor_Threat]

Oh yeah, thats not very cool. I haven't seen LFMs like that in a very long time though.

I think the person stopped because they don't fill. ;)

[Glorious]

While I fully agree and support the concept of "how you play the game is however you want and unless I group with you it doesn't affect me at all" I have to say I find this a little off-putting.

Now for a guild run that's different - we have run a number of times through that **** offering of blood quest to get those gloves for various people in the guild. And I can't tell you how long AtD farmed GOP and the Skelly chests to get Tuned Up his icy rainments - but we were guildies and went into it together.

Grabbing others for the SOLE purpose of getting a shot at their end loot doesn't seem all that DDO friendly - that whole party mentality of working together kind of goes out the window at that point...

Doesn't it......?

[Eternity25]

If I was asking for all loot that drops that would be greed. If asking for a named item in return for doing all the work, and saving others time isn't generosity, then what is? There have been many times where I have soloed Ghola Fan and not expected anything. My LFMs have helped several others get their first Royal Guard Masks. Sometimes I post LFMs to look for help myself. I guess you don't see my generosity, and I don't expect you to.

[Vint]

It Is Greed!!!

[Eternity25]

Do you have a screenshot of who was leading the Cursed Crypt LFM? I don't recall I could ever solo Cursed Crypt. Maybe you have me confused with other people on the server. I never soloed Monastery or ask for Refuge runes. Besides never soloing refuge quests, when did I ever post an LFM asking to have Cursed Crypt loot.

[Minor_Threat]

Do you have a screenshot of who was leading the Cursed Crypt LFM? I don't recall I could ever solo Cursed Crypt. Maybe you have me confused with other people on the server. I never soloed Monastery or ask for Refuge runes. Besides never soloing refuge quests, when did I ever post an LFM asking to have Cursed Crypt loot.

I don't need to, you already admitted to having runs where you claimed rare named loot in LFM.

[Purgatory]

If I was asking for all loot that drops that would be greed. If asking for a named item in return for doing all the work, and saving others time isn't generosity, then what is? There have been many times where I have soloed Ghola Fan and not expected anything. My LFMs have helped several others get their first Royal Guard Masks. Sometimes I post LFMs to look for help myself. I guess you don't see my generosity, and I don't expect you to.


You don't get it and that fine im ok with that keep it up its your reputation and guild that will suffer not mine.

[Eternity25]

I don't need to, you already admitted to having runs where you claimed rare named loot in LFM.


Well I guess I'll take it as an honor that you wish to give me all the credit for all the "infamy" that goes on. :cool:

[transtemporal]

Well, you know, lets look at greed. Is it really that bad? And I'm not saying its cool but is it bad? Hey, I'm not an expert on it, are you? All I'm saying is: lets not throw stones in glasshouses. Lets call it "entrepreneurial" instead. Everyone benefits, everyone wins. In fact, if more people were entrepreneurial like Pheona, this game would be a paradise. Am I right or am I right? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to. Oh go on, answer away!

[Purgatory]

Well, you know, lets look at greed. Is it really that bad? And I'm not saying its cool but is it bad? Hey, I'm not an expert on it, are you? All I'm saying is: lets not throw stones in glasshouses. Lets call it "entrepreneurial" instead. Everyone benefits, everyone wins. In fact, if more people were entrepreneurial like Pheona, this game would be a paradise. Am I right or am I right? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to. Oh go on, answer away!


so your saying everyone should charge new players to complete quests and that would make DDO a paradise?

[Eternity25]

You can bash my LFMs, and call it charging others. If I did all the work, why shouldn't I get a named item in return for inviting others? Its not like they did any work at all to complete the quest. They're getting freebies. If I can't afford AH prices for the masks, I solo and try to get a helping hand to pull the mask.

[iscifi]

It Is Greed!!!

You are of course entitled to your opinion.

I have participated in many of these types of quests including vale chests/rares, Monastary, Ghola Fan, and most recently Invaders. I have never felt taken advantage of. Even by the guy that charged me 5,000 gold for eight chests in the vale. I did nothing but fork over the gold and collect the loot. Loot that later was sold for easily ten times that.

As long as the conditions are clearly preset, no one is taking advantage of anyone. Please be sure to identify your pre-conditions in the LFM and when people join. If I disagree or feel being taken advantage of, then I won't participate. It's a little phrase called "win/win". You may have heard of it.

If this leaves a bad taste in your mouth, there's no need to go spitting at everyone. Besides ain't no one forcing them to give up their stuff. They still have to choose to pass it over.

Calling someone greedy for this smacks of another agenda...

[Sauron]

notice a few people been doing this mostly from the same guil maybe the same person idk

But they go in solo fairly easy quests then toss up a lfm and charge noobs for completions on theses quests

Some these quests are

Monistary
some the vale quest

and today titan flaggin quests.

Usualy the price for completions seems to be runes, rarer vale ingredents, or named items if pulled.

I dont know maybe It's just me but i find these lfm very preditorial towards noobs as any vetran can solo these quests blind folded and pack full of soul stones.

I think im going to start charging this guild and there members a fee for grouping with me as i can't even begin to count the many many times i have carried there members threw quests and raids or have used way to many resourses getting them threw it with out even a simple ty from most of them to now see them start charging people for completion of quests that are just to easy to do and it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that i would like to spit out.

Out of curiosity do they actually state in their lfm's that they're charging new people? Regardless the one's I've seen (which are extremely rare) have been populated by individuals that are defenitly not new.

The part that I thought was funny that made me respond while I was browsing the forums was the false assumption that it's predatory to new people when the lfm's defenitly don't read that way or in my recollection target anyone new.

Of course I could be wrong and there's some pandemic that's suddenly popped up on the server where these lfm's are about as normal as one's that state:

- experienced only
- only people that have done the quest before
- be self sufficent
- wounders only

etc... etc...

Hell, if you have issue with that one specific what about the one's that actually exclude new people like the one's listed above.

Anyways just curious...

[Tannniss]

So whatever happened to just running with a full group?..Maybe helping new players learn the quest. Pulling your own chest and doing what you want with the loot?...Is the zerg and greed factor so addictive that you scheme a way to pull outsiders into your solo run so that you can get that one certain item?....If you pull it, what then?....do you continue at this rate until the coffers are filled with loot and you're only option is to blame Turbine for your lack of interest because "you" have pulled every single item in game?.......

[gizmos199]

notice a few people been doing this mostly from the same guil maybe the same person idk

But they go in solo fairly easy quests then toss up a lfm and charge noobs for completions on theses quests

Some these quests are

Monistary
some the vale quest

and today titan flaggin quests.

Usualy the price for completions seems to be runes, rarer vale ingredents, or named items if pulled.

I dont know maybe It's just me but i find these lfm very preditorial towards noobs as any vetran can solo these quests blind folded and pack full of soul stones.

I think im going to start charging this guild and there members a fee for grouping with me as i can't even begin to count the many many times i have carried there members threw quests and raids or have used way to many resourses getting them threw it with out even a simple ty from most of them to now see them start charging people for completion of quests that are just to easy to do and it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that i would like to spit out.

if it was on the LFM you didnt have to join . 1 person is not a guild

[gizmos199]

An enterprising idea, if a tad shady.
IMHO, if they can get people to join the quest & collect the fee they are asking for - more power to em. I'm not mercenary enough to make/join such an LFM, but I won't think poorly of any who do. It's their game time that they pay for, and if there is no harm being done who am I to frown on how they choose to spend it.

exactly capitolizm at best . pepol dont have to join .

[gizmos199]

You cna group and play with who you want and how you want in the gem. I myslef wont play with people or guilds that like to exploit other unexperienced players.

P.S. I love Legion

so thats all the top end guilds . if 1 person is resposibel for a guild TAG . then 1 peron on the sever with all the top end guild tags did this . you all know who i mean

[gizmos199]

Are you sure they were charging others to have entry into the quest? I interpreted it as they would be given the gold if they helped pull the mask. There are a few people on the Thelanis server who do solo quests and look for help pulling things. You could have misinterpreted the LFM.

that is what happened . THIS IS IT

[gizmos199]

It's bad taste. There are so many post about raid loot "Keep your loot or give it up for roll". I'll be damned if i a going to run a quest with anyone and told that I HAVE to give them something I pulled. Free completion or not, it is pure greed.

you obviosly jumped on the band wagon this is not a free ride . stop smearing someones name

[gizmos199]

Well if you can't see the wrong in charging new players and noobs for completions on flaggin quests then the guild that keeps doing this should have no problem paying My fees when they try and pug into any my raids.

you r correct if you post it and they join make them OBAY

[gizmos199]

it's not so much the gems, essences, & such.

It's the.

"Cursed Crypt - I get Scourge Choker" LFM's

It's just bad form and he doesn't seem to understand why he gets declined from raid groups.

no its not . someone got BUT HURT

[gizmos199]

I agree with Sable. You get completion (favor), free chests and end reward and you don't have to do anything but run to the end, in exchange for your rune/stone/ingreds/essence? Sounds pretty fair to me.

Shady would be letting them join saying "free chests", waiting til they got to the end THEN saying "Oh you have to give me your rune".
you put it best

[gizmos199]

I disagree.

it is asked before you join . backing out would be shadie

[gizmos199]

Oh yeah, thats not very cool. I haven't seen LFMs like that in a very long time though.

so what should the lfm say .

[gizmos199]

While I fully agree and support the concept of "how you play the game is however you want and unless I group with you it doesn't affect me at all" I have to say I find this a little off-putting.

Now for a guild run that's different - we have run a number of times through that **** offering of blood quest to get those gloves for various people in the guild. And I can't tell you how long AtD farmed GOP and the Skelly chests to get Tuned Up his icy rainments - but we were guildies and went into it together.

Grabbing others for the SOLE purpose of getting a shot at their end loot doesn't seem all that DDO friendly - that whole party mentality of working together kind of goes out the window at that point...

Doesn't it......?

no it dosent . I dont agree with it at all . BUT i respect it . he is not shady about it . its a free chest you can chose to take it or not . He is not breaking your arm to join now is he . IS HE . no he is not

[gizmos199]

It Is Greed!!!
mabe it is but it dosent matter . you DONT have to join . so what is your argument .. do you have one . no you dont . now you wanna use this to say my guild is bad . let me tell you this my guild put moer tier 3 shroud wepons in moer ppls hands then any outher on the sever . my guild lead moer pugs then any outher i alone have over a 1k in shouds . So what r you trying to do ? if you dont like some one squelch . insted you come to the forums to look for ppl to agree with you . do you need ppl to tell you that you are a good person for you to feel better . is that why you came hear .

[gizmos199]

You don't get it and that fine im ok with that keep it up its your reputation and guild that will suffer not mine. i am hiting all of these in order .. so that it you r out to ruine guild rep .... you better find moer **** . alot moer **** . ower ratio is likw 100 to 1 . for ever 1 person that dosent like us there are 100 that do . peace out

[gizmos199]

so your saying everyone should charge new players to complete quests and that would make DDO a paradise?
thats not what he/she said . but you put it that way cuz you want ppl to see things your way . isnt that right

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[Purgatory]

i am hiting all of these in order .. so that it you r out to ruine guild rep .... you better find moer **** . alot moer **** . ower ratio is likw 100 to 1 . for ever 1 person that dosent like us there are 100 that do . peace out

ya thats it im out to get you! and keep charging ppl for completions im sure that 1-100 ratio u claim will shrink up too 100-1 ratio prety fast!

[Aussieee]

notice a few people been doing this mostly from the same guil maybe the same person idk

But they go in solo fairly easy quests then toss up a lfm and charge noobs for completions on theses quests

Some these quests are

Monistary
some the vale quest

and today titan flaggin quests.

Usualy the price for completions seems to be runes, rarer vale ingredents, or named items if pulled.

I dont know maybe It's just me but i find these lfm very preditorial towards noobs as any vetran can solo these quests blind folded and pack full of soul stones.

I think im going to start charging this guild and there members a fee for grouping with me as i can't even begin to count the many many times i have carried there members threw quests and raids or have used way to many resourses getting them threw it with out even a simple ty from most of them to now see them start charging people for completion of quests that are just to easy to do and it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that i would like to spit out.
I don't think they are charging. They are giving you the chance to choose if you wanna join or not. It is a fair trade if you ask me,you get the chest they get the rune,you ran to quest they did the job. After all if you don't want to share your rune don't join you can aways make your own group and run the quest.

[gizmos199]

ya thats it im out to get you! and keep charging ppl for completions im sure that 1-100 ratio u claim will shrink up too 100-1 ratio prety fast!
i dont charge ppl .. i know you do . i live in RI i can e-mail my address if you would like to come over to get me
that ratio wount change cuz of you . you r not that uber

[gizmos199]

ya thats it im out to get you! and keep charging ppl for completions im sure that 1-100 ratio u claim will shrink up too 100-1 ratio prety fast!


no it dosent . I dont agree with it at all . BUT i respect it . he is not shady about it . its a free chest you can chose to take it or not . He is not breaking your arm to join now is he . IS HE . no he is not

scrool up ... classic case of but hurt . so now you feel sore and you want revenge some how . poor you . get over your self not everone is going to agree with you .
Your putting words in my mouth . thats all you can do . there is nothing els you can do . there is nothing els you can do . you get it now .
have a good day

[Bunker]

Gizmos199 You have definitly mastered the art of posting a reply. Now we have to tweak your abilities a bit with replying to multiple posts in only 1 post of your own. 14 in a row. Is that a new Forum record. Call Guiness.:D

[Purgatory]

Wow you seem to be a few fries short of a happy meal lol but w/e

can't beleive you and your guild think exploting new players for there chance to pull special loot and take that away from them is ok, just because you can solo a quest most of us can blind folded! Did you get charged for getting pulled threw the quest when someone flaged you for the first time? I think not! All i can say is wow what a great guild u got there.

Are you also charging them for there chance at Raid loot too after you flaged them for the raids? I can under stand if the raid is costing you resources and you want them to chip in on the cost but Charge them there chance at the Main prize of the quest? and in quests that take pretty much zero resources to do and can be done with in a few min? cmon that completly exploiting new people and you know it!

you might think this is ok. But i do not! I think its pretty low indeed.

[gizmos199]

Gizmos199 You have definitly mastered the art of posting a reply. Now we have to tweak your abilities a bit with replying to multiple posts in only 1 post of your own. 14 in a row. Is that a new Forum record. Call Guiness.:D
you know me bunk i am out to kill this thred by being anoying

[Bunker]

you know me bunk i am out to kill this thred by being anoying

More annoying then the LFMs in question? If so, you have a ways to go. :eek:

[gizmos199]

Wow you seem to be a few fries short of a happy meal lol but w/e

can't beleive you and your guild think exploting new players for there chance to pull special loot and take that away from them is ok, just because you can solo a quest most of us can blind folded! Did you get charged for getting pulled threw the quest when someone flaged you for the first time? I think not! All i can say is wow what a great guild u got there.


Are you also charging them for there chance at Raid loot too after you flaged them for the raids? I can under stand if the raid is costing you resources and you want them to chip in on the cost but Charge them there chance at the Main prize of the quest? and in quests that take pretty much zero resources to do and can be done with in a few min? cmon that completly exploiting new people and you know it! like i said i dont agree with it but i respect it .
you might think this is ok. But i do not! I think its pretty low indeed.
not ever one will agree with you get over it . stop the lies . tell the truth and give the pepol an option ....you dont have to join keep puting words in my mouth and fabricating lies it that the only way you can get ppl to agree with you .SAD

[gizmos199]

More annoying then the LFMs in question? If so, you have a ways to go. :eek:

the lfm said FREE CHEST . all i want is the mask . now i dont see anyone attacking the outh guy who use to do this . you DONT HAVE TO JOIN . if you do its your fult . seriously r new ppl that dumb that we need to put this thred up

[Purgatory]

I dont expect everyone to agree with me I'm sure there a lot of low lifes that think taking advantage of people is fun and exciting and that its ok. And saying that I should tell the truth now are you saying that your guild members after admiting of doing this are not doing this and I'm making this all up?


Not once did i mention whp is doing this and not once did i say or even send a pm to a single person what guild is involved! so I think your paranoid about me out to get you! but hey if you want to come here and let them all know who you are and put all your alts and what not in your sig be my guest!

[Purgatory]

the lfm said FREE CHEST . all i want is the mask . now i dont see anyone attacking the outh guy who use to do this . you DONT HAVE TO JOIN . if you do its your fult . seriously r new ppl that dumb that we need to put this thred up

now its the new person fualt! classic blaim the victums

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[gizmos199]

I dont expect everyone to agree with me I'm sure there a lot of low lifes that think taking advantage of people is fun and exciting and that its ok. And saying that I should tell the truth now are you saying that your guild members after admiting of doing this are not doing this and I'm making this all up?


Not once did i mention whp is doing this and not once did i say or even send a pm to a single person what guild is involved! so I think your paranoid about me out to get you! but hey if you guys want to come here and let them all know who you are and put all you alts and what not in your sig be my guess!

low lifes hu . so if we dont share your thought and lie like you and fabicate like you . we r low lifes. well then i would rather be that and honest . i dont hide i am proud to be in this guild STORM LORDS . you can register at stormlords.net . we are the largest guild and we raid all the time . for instance whil i was doing all these post i did 3 VoDs 1 hound and currently on a titan .
what you spue dosen't get to me cuz i know you have no leg to stan on

[gizmos199]

now its the new person fualt! classic blaim the victums

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if i buy something i want to know eveting about ,it dont you? so yhea a new person is just that new . they dont have to join they dont have to join they donthave to join

[gizmos199]

lets talk about the shady pepol on the sever . the ones who dont post any thing and at the end demand **** for joing there raids .
oh i see now thats your runs go and so and so was giveing away a *work free chest with completion *for a price cuting into your bizz cuz now the worms knew hey "i dont have to work for it ."

[gizmos199]

I don't think they are charging. They are giving you the chance to choose if you wanna join or not. It is a fair trade if you ask me,you get the chest they get the rune,you ran to quest they did the job. After all if you don't want to share your rune don't join you can aways make your own group and run the quest.

i had to grab this one again cuz this is what it is

[Eternity25]

now its the new person fualt! classic blaim the victums

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How many friends have I made since you posted this drama thread? About 10 new ones. How many friends have I lost? None. How many sided with me through tells or conversation, nearly everyone I group with. It seems you're little flame fest is nothing but a little ploy for attention, maybe wanting to get yourself noticed. I recieved quite a few compliments tonight as well. I need not fear my reputation, you should fear yours. After all, its obvious you like drama.

Its obvious I am not liked by some because of my uber ability to solo quests. Someone might be a tad bit jealous. Are you saying that if you could solo Ghola Fan and needed a mask for an alt, you wouldn't try to get a helping hand by offering some incentives?

Its obvious that I am on quite a few blacklists. I have been since mod 4. How have the blacklists affected me? Not much, nor will they affect me much now. I am a good player with a good play style. If my personaity doesn't agree with your own, squelch me and tell me your toons so i can squelch back. After all my personality has landed me on a few dozen blacklists since mod 4. If anyone deserves an appology, it is me. Attempting to manipulate the phrase of my LFM to sound like I am using others is completely low.

[gizmos199]

How many friends have I made since you posted this drama thread? About 10 new ones. How many friends have I lost? None. How many sided with me through tells or conversation, nearly everyone I group with. It seems you're little flame fest is nothing but a little ploy for attention, maybe wanting to get yourself noticed. I recieved quite a few compliments tonight as well. I need not fear my reputation, you should fear yours. After all, its obvious you like drama.

Its obvious I am not liked by some because of my uber ability to solo quests. Someone might be a tad bit jealous. Are you saying that if you could solo Ghola Fan and needed a mask for an alt, you wouldn't try to get a helping hand by offering some incentives?

Its obvious that I am on quite a few blacklists. I have been since mod 4. How have the blacklists affected me? Not much, nor will they affect me much now. I am a good player with a good play style. If my personaity doesn't agree with your own, squelch me and tell me your toons so i can squelch back. After all my personality has landed me on a few dozen blacklists sine mod 4. If anyone deserves an appology, it is me. Attempting to manipulate the phrase of my LFM to sound like I am using others is completely low. it is low . and i am annoying . pheona i do not think what you do is eticol at all . but its not wrong . you r greedy and thats not a crime even in DDO .You did nothing wrong thats y i got your back . THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU ALL FREE even the **** who keeps spreding lies about sl

[ironcity17]

New to DDO, You all don't care what I think so here it is. The people complaning about this guy posting a LFM the way he does are more and likely the ones posting LFMs saying: be the best, know the quest, be uber or don't join our group. At least this guy gives noobs a chance for loot and flaging to get better items in future. I was also wondering how i can be a member or the Thelanis moral police cause there is more worse things going on in Thelanis than that. example above. Like it or not that is it watch your P & Q somebody is watching you ( Thelanis moral police ). I have grouped with SL a lot there very helpfull to all that join there groups no matter what weapons they have or how ubar thay are. Thank you SL

[tihocan]

Although I don't do it myself (if I'm in the mood of letting more players get into a quest I soloed, then they can keep all that they pull), I have no problem with others doing it. Everyone benefits from it (since you won't join the group if you don't like it). I know that shortly after mod.8 launch, I benefited from some free monastery runs by giving up my runes, and I was grateful for it, because it allowed me to reflag my characters for Sor'jek faster.

[jmelanie7]

so your saying everyone should charge new players to complete quests and that would make DDO a paradise?

In the cursed crypt example, its not only completion, you may pull a docent of defiance, which he didnt ask for. And you got to upgrade your amulet, so you dont have to ask every 2 seconds for a restoration when running to the hound. And you get free loot... You help him get what he wants by giving him the choker if you pull it, but he also gives you the chance to upgrade your amulet, and gives you the chance to pull the most sought after docent in the game.....I think it IS FAIR!

[RTN]

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:D

Shouldn't that read "Each time you don't blame Legion, Legion kills a Kitty"? ;)

[leviathan]

Gizmos199 has annoyed me and down right ****ed me off in quests, but I have to agree with him on this one.

I have joined LFM's like this when I was solo'ing the vale and the person just wanted twigs out of Rainbow or the runes out of Monastary. It is benificial to me to take five minutes and get a free chest or two and the end reward for a five minute run through a cleared out dungeon.... If I pull the special item that the person was looking for I turn it over, why wouldn't I. I did nothing to earn it and nine times out of ten on these runs I am just collecting free loot, so I am just as if not more greedy.

The thing that sucks is when you join a raid that is half puggers, but led by a member of a large guild, the puggers do just as much as anyone else to help complete the raid, and then raid loot that drops is put up for guild roll only....

Just so you know, not refering to Storm Lords here.

[Clay]

The thing that sucks is when you join a raid that is half puggers, but led by a member of a large guild, the puggers do just as much as anyone else to help complete the raid, and then raid loot that drops is put up for guild roll only....

Just so you know, not refering to Storm Lords here.

So you are saying that you disagree with the your loot is your loot idea? Are you implying that ALL the loot is up for guild roll only? Or you do mean to say that the loot that drops for me is my loot to do with as I like, and the loot that drops for the members of that guild is up to them to do with as they like?

[gizmos199]

i got rules on raid loot . 1. your loot is your loot . 2 my guildys first * why you ask ? well why arent you a guildy i ask *
your loot is just that your loot roll it , sell it , sniff it , no one can tell you how to spend it .+3 wis tome drops on a barb you need it eat it . i gave that same speach for 2 months before the raid began . gave pppl time to drop if they didnt like the rules .

[Thrombur_Stormforger]

It's bad taste. There are so many post about raid loot "Keep your loot or give it up for roll". I'll be damned if i a going to run a quest with anyone and told that I HAVE to give them something I pulled. Free completion or not, it is pure greed.

**** right

[gizmos199]

**** right
when you make it to this post under yours, you will see that the whole thred took a turn, and is not the same . so the dame right you got up is for something that realy has nothing to do with whats realy going on

[gizmos199]

So you are saying that you disagree with the your loot is your loot idea? Are you implying that ALL the loot is up for guild roll only? Or you do mean to say that the loot that drops for me is my loot to do with as I like, and the loot that drops for the members of that guild is up to them to do with as they like?

what he meant was he wished he was given a heads up on the raid loot .*guildys first * rule before the raid started. that way he could say hey i dont like that rule ,,l,, i am out . Ding he's gone .

[Purgatory]

Wow nice defence you musterd up there for your guild

Confuse them with nonsence hmmm it might just work there for you. Hell I'm even feeling sorry for you.

[tihocan]

what he meant was he wished he was given a heads up on the raid loot .*guildys first * rule before the raid started. that way he could say hey i dont like that rule ,,l,, i am out . Ding he's gone .
Well, at least this practice isn't too common on Thelanis at this point. I have seen it in only one guild, and it's easy enough to remember who they are, so yes, the first time may be frustrating, but afterwards you know what to expect, and it's up to you to make your decision to join or not their group.

[gizmos199]

Wow nice defence you musterd up there for your guild

Confuse them with nonsence hmmm it might just work there for you

it worked thats all that matters . sl is 160 strong wanna see my points fly =)

[Purgatory]

umm no i don't want to see your fly.

[leviathan]

what he meant was he wished he was given a heads up on the raid loot .*guildys first * rule before the raid started. that way he could say hey i dont like that rule ,,l,, i am out . Ding he's gone .

That is exactly what I meant. Thanks.... sorry I was not clearer.

[LawstCawz]

Roc, I'd say a good chunk of your total posts ever just came on this thread. lol

[SkunkMonger187]

As Roc said if you dont like these people and the way they put up an lfm offering certain chests for ingrediants/runes etc. do not join them it is your choice, I can solo them but sometimes I join for a couple of free chests with no quarm about given up the items in question, also if you dont like a Guilds loot policy's just dont dang quest with them.


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[leviathan]

Well, at least this practice isn't too common on Thelanis at this point. I have seen it in only one guild, and it's easy enough to remember who they are, so yes, the first time may be frustrating, but afterwards you know what to expect, and it's up to you to make your decision to join or not their group.

Stung me twice because I am just not used to scanning the pug raid to see if there are 6 or more from one guild and then deciding to go or not.... like you said this practice is not wide spread on Thelanis.

[SableShadow]

The thing that sucks is when you join a raid that is half puggers, but led by a member of a large guild, the puggers do just as much as anyone else to help complete the raid, and then raid loot that drops is put up for guild roll only....


Your l00t is your l00t, and their l00t is your l00t? :)

[Delt]

Well, at least this practice isn't too common on Thelanis at this point. I have seen it in only one guild, and it's easy enough to remember who they are, so yes, the first time may be frustrating, but afterwards you know what to expect, and it's up to you to make your decision to join or not their group.

Guildies (or friends) first isn't that common? You must not be pugging alot, seems pretty common to me. It's not a rule in our guild, it boils down to the individual - but I'd prefer everyone practice it.

Aside from that, I've argued with people about this before in-game (where it belongs). When **** was collecting essences, or countless individual sub runs (or even before that with one evasion build wanting 5 casters for Perdition) or Vale easy completions for stone or ingrediants...Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't. Seems to boil down to whether or not *I* see any benefit (to me) at the time. But even so, I respect everyones right to form groups how they see fit....I guess I'm just not some baby that gets butthurt and runs to the forum because a LFM got posted that I didn't like.

/shrug

[doppleganger]

The thing that sucks is when you join a raid that is half puggers, but led by a member of a large guild, the puggers do just as much as anyone else to help complete the raid, and then raid loot that drops is put up for guild roll only.....

It sucks the first few times you are a victim of it. A while ago, I was of a mind that everyone should have a chance at a roll, in all cases. Ideally, it would happen that way.

But after having seen other guilds passing raid loot amongst themselves a few times, and heard the general concensus is your loot is your loot, you do what you want with it, I have simply adopted it.

So now, it is my friends/guidies first, and if they dont want it, then I put it for roll. My best advice to you is to just accept it as well and stop being annoyed about it. And also, you do have the choice of making odds better for you, join those large guilds!

[gizmos199]

if you love tacos like i do hit me up in the point box . remember we wont always agree and 23.7% of the time you might not like me but 98.6% we will succeed in a raid i was leading 60 % of the time all the time . i love tacos .
every time that outher guild gets blamed ROC has a taco party ~*SLASA*~

[SkunkMonger187]

if you love tacos like i do hit me up in the point box . remember we wont always agree and 23.7% of the time you might not like me but 98.6% we will succeed in a raid i was leading 60 % of the time all the time . i love tacos .
every time that outher guild gets blamed ROC has a taco party ~*SLASA*~

50 thousands points if the tacos come with Mezcal, cause tequillah and mexican food, only eclipsed buy mexican women.

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[gizmos199]

50 thousands points if the tacos come with Mezcal, cause tequillah and mexican food, only eclipsed buy mexican women.

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i dusted off my outher account to give you points my good friend .
Every one join in on the TACOTIVITYS . if you love tacos lke we do share the rep points .
remeber when that outher guild gets blamed there will be a taco party YHAYHAYHAYEEEEEE

[Memnir]

Shouldn't that read "Each time you don't blame Legion, Legion kills a Kitty"? ;)Bah! That implies we need a reason to kill kitties! We do it because it's fun, and sometimes they drop random tomes.


:D

[SkunkMonger187]

This thread makes me want to log on and put up a ghola, any one up for a +3 wooden shield, some rocks and 200gp all I want is the Royal Guard Mask and it only took me 7 minutes, if only I wasn't at work could be rorting newbs (sic.). TACCOTIVITYS sound sic man getting out me sombreo, and chinos, gran idea de hombre.

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[RTN]

Bah! That implies we need a reason to kill kitties! We do it because it's fun, and sometimes they drop random tomes.

:D

I had considered that, but "Each time you don't blame Legion, Legion saves a Kitty" didn't work. However, I think I have come up with a solution: "Each time you don't blame Legion, Legion kills two kitties instead of one."

[iscifi]

if you love tacos like i do hit me up in the point box . remember we wont always agree and 23.7% of the time you might not like me but 98.6% we will succeed in a raid i was leading 60 % of the time all the time . i love tacos .
every time that outher guild gets blamed ROC has a taco party ~*SALSA*~

What Points are you talking about here?

[Ministry]

Stung me twice because I am just not used to scanning the pug raid to see if there are 6 or more from one guild and then deciding to go or not.... like you said this practice is not wide spread on Thelanis.

For the first 2.5 years of playing DDO, I never use to care that much as to who was on the team / in the raid, and then about 3+ months after the merger, things changed.

There has been so much animosity between guilds, disdain between players and factions and a fair bit of anger in general (most likely due to over a year with no mods) that I changed my practice of hitting LFM's about 6+ months ago.

If I don't recognize the leader to be someone I prefer to team with, I will either not joing, or I quickly scan the "WHO" tab to see what guild they are part of and some of the other players on the team.

If the leader is in a guild like Dungeons and Dragons Anonymous, who accepted me onto team, just to boot me because I am in Legion, or it's another guild I don't think well of, I don't join.

Regrettably I don't join as many teams as I use to, but based on Legion, the many other guilds I think highly of and the House T group, I'm not suffering too horribly.

Honestly, I've never joined a group if someone says free completion, just hand me your end loot. I enjoy the quests / raids too much for that.

If the person clears the quest and posts free completion if you give me your end chest contents... well, I'm cool with that. I won't join, but I think it's fair.

I mean really... the person does all the work, so if they are honest with their intent, what is the big deal?

[silverraven]

The thing that sucks is when you join a raid that is half puggers, but led by a member of a large guild, the puggers do just as much as anyone else to help complete the raid, and then raid loot that drops is put up for guild roll only....

Just so you know, not refering to Storm Lords here.

I believe that if raid loot drops for them they distribute it between among people who called it before the raid started and your loot is your loot.

[transtemporal]

so your saying everyone should charge new players to complete quests and that would make DDO a paradise?

Exactly. Exploiting new players is what we, as veterans, are obliged to do. Otherwise they'll get our stuff. ;)

[boldarblood]

If I ask for a named item that has a 1% chance of dropping in return for giving away the free things and letting others step in to also get credit, that is not being greedy.



That right there I completely disagree with, that is completely greedy and very bad form.

[transtemporal]

so what should the lfm say .

I don't think you can put anything else except "Choker/DoD/Tele mask runs, will pay handsomely/trade if you want to sell."

And then if someone does pull one, offer them a good trade for it but don't get p*ssy if they don't want to sell.

One of my guildies put up two large scales for roll for anyone who gave him their sovereign runes in SoS once, that was a cool way to do it.

[Tuffmann]

Cheating new players out of some the best non raid loot in the game is just WRONG and selling them completion on easy quests is one the shadiest greediest thing I have seen on the server. But considering the guild that is involved would u expect anything less? I for one won't be letting this guild to any my raids or groups this point on.

[gizmos199]

I don't think you can put anything else except "Choker/DoD/Tele mask runs, will pay handsomely/trade if you want to sell."

And then if someone does pull one, offer them a good trade for it but don't get p*ssy if they don't want to sell.

One of my guildies put up two large scales for roll for anyone who gave him their sovereign runes in SoS once, that was a cool way to do it.

this is true . there are plaenty of ways that it can be handled. if he where to do it you way why would he solo ?

[gizmos199]

Cheating new players out of some the best non raid loot in the game is just WRONG and selling them completion on easy quests is one the shadiest greediest thing I have seen on the server. But considering the guild that is involved would u expect anything less? I for one won't be letting this guild to any my raids or groups this point on.

here we go again . did you make a new account to try to force your idealizim on us . burn the road . this "guild" dont need to be in your raids when i do a shroud day it concits of 14 shrouds . or 10 shrouds 3 reavers 4 hounds 1 vod . what do i need you for . oh thats right . to practice my typeing skillz . am i geting better ? no =( guess you need to keepp talking smack then

[gizmos199]

Cheating new players out of some the best non raid loot in the game is just WRONG and selling them completion on easy quests is one the shadiest greediest thing I have seen on the server. But considering the guild that is involved would u expect anything less? I for one won't be letting this guild to any my raids or groups this point on.

put your alts in you sing .

[Renegade66]

Nothing wrong with being an entrepreneur. The laws of supply and demand will shake out the good ideas from the bad.

Clearing Cursed Crypt for players that don't have access to the quest but need to upgrade their talisman and have a chance at a nice item is a fantastic service for the DDO community. I would think people would be HAPPY to pay for that service and why not?

A Sorcerer putting a Reaver LFM up assigning which classes get particular +3 tome drops (e.g. only Sorcs get +3 CHA tomes) then refusing any other Sorc's request to join is only providing a service to himself. I don't expect that entrepreneur to stay in business long. True story btw.

[EKKM]

I honestly can't think of a problem with someone soloing a quest and then opening it up to others for free xp, favour and misc loot while "charging" any pulls of certain item - as long as it is clear in the LFM.

I would have a problem with an LFM stating that someone would lead a group through a quest for plat, items etc as the team would be completing the quest in that case.

If the OP is talking about the first case I think the title is misleading.

[juniorpfactors]

For the first 2.5 years of playing DDO, I never use to care that much as to who was on the team / in the raid, and then about 3+ months after the merger, things changed.

There has been so much animosity between guilds, disdain between players and factions and a fair bit of anger in general (most likely due to over a year with no mods) that I changed my practice of hitting LFM's about 6+ months ago.

If I don't recognize the leader to be someone I prefer to team with, I will either not joing, or I quickly scan the "WHO" tab to see what guild they are part of and some of the other players on the team.

If the leader is in a guild like Dungeons and Dragons Anonymous, who accepted me onto team, just to boot me because I am in Legion, or it's another guild I don't think well of, I don't join.

Regrettably I don't join as many teams as I use to, but based on Legion, the many other guilds I think highly of and the House T group, I'm not suffering too horribly.

Honestly, I've never joined a group if someone says free completion, just hand me your end loot. I enjoy the quests / raids too much for that.

If the person clears the quest and posts free completion if you give me your end chest contents... well, I'm cool with that. I won't join, but I think it's fair.

I mean really... the person does all the work, so if they are honest with their intent, what is the big deal?

Ding Winner

jrp

[tihocan]

Guildies (or friends) first isn't that common? You must not be pugging alot, seems pretty common to me. It's not a rule in our guild, it boils down to the individual - but I'd prefer everyone practice it.
I'm almost always pugging. Yes, I've seen some items being passed to friends/guildies, mostly in groups made of many different guilds. But when it comes to joining a group with a majority of players belonging to one guild, most of the time I've seen them offering everyone in the party to roll when an item was up for roll.
Please note I'm not judging anyone here. I'm a big fan of "your loot is your loot and you're free to do whatever you want with it". I'm just stating what I've observed on Thelanis.

[Murgatroyd]

If the person clears the quest and posts free completion if you give me your end chest contents... well, I'm cool with that. I won't join, but I think it's fair.

I mean really... the person does all the work, so if they are honest with their intent, what is the big deal?

/agree

[Xithos]

Cheating new players out of some the best non raid loot in the game is just WRONG and selling them completion on easy quests is one the shadiest greediest thing I have seen on the server. But considering the guild that is involved would u expect anything less? I for one won't be letting this guild to any my raids or groups this point on.

Talking head (random, without sig, anonymous, internet figure) please let me know who you are so I will have the pleasure of avoiding you. Do you even play on Thelanis?

[AkromaAoW]

Honestly, I've never joined a group if someone says free completion, just hand me your end loot. I enjoy the quests / raids too much for that.

If the person clears the quest and posts free completion if you give me your end chest contents... well, I'm cool with that. I won't join, but I think it's fair.

I mean really... the person does all the work, so if they are honest with their intent, what is the big deal?

I admit that I don't really like these lfms, but I can't exactly place my finger on why they bother me. Honestly, I will never join any quest where the work is done for me. I don't even like to join quests in progress, but that's my choice, and I don't fault anyone that does. It is true that the lfm poster has clearly done all the work and is providing a service for some target group that likes to participate in reward for minimal or no effort. Again, I'm clearly not in the target group, but I accept that some people want to do this. Now, here's where things get a little murky. IF a less experienced person were to join one of these without knowing the value of the requested item, pulls it, and has to give it up, I'm not supportive. Then, I think that the lfm poster might have taken advantage.

New or less experience players will make mistakes, including with the value of game items. Recently, on the Thelanis forums, there was a post where someone had placed firestorm greaves on the AH for 120 k GP. With the current value of the boots, this was very likely posted by a person that wasn't familiar with the item. To remedy this, and make it completely on the up and up, IMO, if the lfm poster makes sure that each member joining his party understands what the requested item does, its rarity, and its game value, then I suppose that I should have no issue with this type of thing.

[Glorious]

I think that you have hit it on the head Eriik. If the person fully understands the implications of what they are giving up and they choose to jump in for the completion or the chests or whatever then I am all good.

however if they are newer or less experienced players (and not ones that just bought their whole capped toon that just annoys me) and they don't really understand what they were giving away I am not sure that's fair. I remember 3 years ago when I started this game I knew very little - had never played PnP so most of the important stuff was lost on me - bane weapons etc. I am sure that I sold things I shouldn't have to a vendor that would have fetched a much higher price in another forum.

I have done both - I have jumped in with groups (mostly guildies) to get that essence from one of the RR quests, and I have also passed on groups where it clearly states that if a certain item is pulled it belongs to the leader....

The best thing about DDO in my opinion is that you can exist in your own little reality inside the game world. If you want to play a certain way then you can and really not bother others too much as long as they don't group with you.

[gizmos199]

Eriik you r a giver thats why you do not agree with jumping in a stated quest and all that junk . the person who lost the greves i feel for the i realy do . But they will NOT make that mistake again . thats what life is about no learning ? Ifi where new and i seen an LFM stateing . quest clear give me your SC from chest , and i joined i would ask 1)what house is this in 2) what is this SC , if they didnt tell me then i would finde it shady . BUT i know that when my guild is asked he lets ppl know it is a rear iteam in the game . TEST him . next time you see an lfm like that. IF i am wrong then i will shut up . but if i am right can we let this thread die .

[AkromaAoW]

Eriik you r a giver thats why you do not agree with jumping in a stated quest and all that junk . the person who lost the greves i feel for the i realy do . But they will NOT make that mistake again . thats what life is about no learning ? Ifi where new and i seen an LFM stateing . quest clear give me your SC from chest , and i joined i would ask 1)what house is this in 2) what is this SC , if they didnt tell me then i would finde it shady . BUT i know that when my guild is asked he lets ppl know it is a rear iteam in the game . TEST him . next time you see an lfm like that. IF i am wrong then i will shut up . but if i am right can we let this thread die .

Hiya Roc :). I'm not making any judgement about how any particular person does this lfm posting. If the lfm poster goes to adequate lengths to ensure joining members are informed and fairness is maintained, I'm OK with it. If he or she doesn't, I'm not.

[gizmos199]

i post an lfm . *quest clear all i want is your CHOKER .* some newb joins my group . i tell him everthing about it . i even step out of the quest to get him . we get in the quest b line to the end . i tell him how jokes and what not .
we get to the end open chest and there it is . the choker he pulls it out of the chest with OUT KEEPING TO THE BARGIN . and drops group . who would be at fult then . who would be the jerk . .
i know there r suxers out there and there are niev pepol as well .

[gizmos199]

Hiya Roc :). I'm not making any judgement about how any particular person does this lfm posting. If the lfm poster goes to adequate lengths to ensure joining members are informed and fairness is maintained, I'm OK with it. If he or she doesn't, I'm not.

ty eriick . how the new guild treating you

[AkromaAoW]

i post an lfm . *quest clear all i want is your CHOKER .* some newb joins my group . i tell him everthing about it . i even step out of the quest to get him . we get in the quest b line to the end . i tell him how jokes and what not .
we get to the end open chest and there it is . the choker he pulls it out of the chest with OUT KEEPING TO THE BARGIN . and drops group . who would be at fult then . who would be the jerk . .
i know there r suxers out there and there are niev pepol as well .

IMO, it sounds like you did your part to inform the player you picked up (highlighted in red above). I would find fault with him for not honoring the deal.

[AkromaAoW]

ty eriick . how the new guild treating you

I'm still free floating and considering places to land, but let's not open that can of worms again...;)

[Praut_Ektor]

Personally wholly agree with Ministry's post as well.

If you don't like the LFM, don't join, no need to flame.

Why do you care that the person is doing the work and expecting something in return?

I personally joined one of these quests (Invaders) not because I couldn't do it (I have a Wizard, Cleric and Rogue who can farm it at any point though the level 12 barbarian has a little trouble :-p) It was a quick way to get some tokens. Big deal, no flaming needed, I personally appreciated it.

[Renegade66]

i post an lfm . *quest clear all i want is your CHOKER .* some newb joins my group . i tell him everthing about it . i even step out of the quest to get him . we get in the quest b line to the end . i tell him how jokes and what not .
we get to the end open chest and there it is . the choker he pulls it out of the chest with OUT KEEPING TO THE BARGIN . and drops group . who would be at fult then . who would be the jerk . .
i know there r suxers out there and there are niev pepol as well .


The fault would be the welcher's. However, if it were I that posted the LFM I would realize that it was the risk I chose to take since there's no way to ensure someone won't welch. The only recourse is to smile, add welcher to blacklist, and hope for better luck next time. It only takes 10 min to clear, so it's a pretty small investment in time.

[silverraven]

i post an lfm . *quest clear all i want is your CHOKER .* some newb joins my group . i tell him everthing about it . i even step out of the quest to get him . we get in the quest b line to the end . i tell him how jokes and what not .
we get to the end open chest and there it is . the choker he pulls it out of the chest with OUT KEEPING TO THE BARGIN . and drops group . who would be at fult then . who would be the jerk . .
i know there r suxers out there and there are niev pepol as well .


The fault would be the welcher's. However, if it were I that posted the LFM I would realize that it was the risk I chose to take since there's no way to ensure someone won't welch. The only recourse is to smile, add welcher to blacklist, and hope for better luck next time. It only takes 10 min to clear, so it's a pretty small investment in time.

See Storm Lords and Legion can play nice:eek:....sometimes;)

[Arlith]

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[Memnir]

A great many kitty-angels were made today...




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...today was a good day.

[gizmos199]

A great many kitty-angels were made today...




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...today was a good day.

yes it was . the bodies didnt go to waste . we can eat tacos for a month .

[Arlith]

yes it was . the bodies didnt go to waste . we can eat tacos for a month .

Mmmmm tacos...

[AquilaNav]

I believe that what the OP is trying to say is that even if someone tells a newer player the value/rarity of some of the items for which he is looking, it is unlikely that the new player will truly grasp the likely hood of ever getting said items again. The LFM poster is effectively using knowledge and power acquired over a long period of time to run quests that can be soloed very easily by non-geared characters with knowledge of the quest, and then acting like he has accomplished something that was difficult and actually worthy of the item for which he is asking, when the item is worth much, much more. Under the current arrangement, the OP feels that the LFM poster is false advertising his accomplishment/contribution, and requesting an exorbitant fee for this contribution.

If he was truly not trying to take advantage of uninformed players, the LFM poster should get a group of experienced players, having each of them start and clear their own instance. Then one loots, joins the second, both loot, join the third, three loot, join the fourth, four loot, etc, etc. This would get everyone several chances at loot for which arrangements could be made prior to looting for distribution.

I think that the first practice is very shady and greedy. The second would be much more fair.

[Purgatory]

That is exactly what is going on. And it exploits new players. Ya i get that a few players that are lazy and know exactly what there giving up for a fast completion for flaggin or w/e so they can coat tail ride inside raids as other do that for them too and just dont have the skill for w/e reason to do a quest 6 lvls below them on normal. But these lfm also targets new players that just don't realy grasp what they are giving up and there real value and just how easly it was to clear out a lvl 10 quest on normal at lvl 16 just is.

Putting in your lfm that your giving free flaggin and chests for your there royal guard mask. makes it sounds like they getting something out those chest.

Everyone knows but the new person that the chest only give out lvl 4-6 gear! so implying they are getting Free LOOT too is completly miss leading.

And to say that the person who soloed the quest did so much work in gholo fan. realy? going from the start of the quest to the end cand castin firewall every so often is so much work compared to just going to the end?

Hardest part about that quest is finding it lol give me a brake!

[SableShadow]

I believe that what the OP is trying to say is that even if someone tells a newer player the value/rarity of some of the items for which he is looking, it is unlikely that the new player will truly grasp the likely hood of ever getting said items again.

The chance for someone to pull an item goes down over time? And...even if you tell someone how much an item is worth in plat, they won't understand? :confused:


I think that the first practice is very shady and greedy. The second would be much more fair.

The second is almost, but not quite, completely backwards from how you'd want to do a l00t run. :)

[Delt]

blah blah blah

I really don't have much of a reply, because the basis of your complaint and solution lies in turning an LFM into the equivilent of of a legal contract with paragraphs full of disclosure and explaination and removal of liability on the off chance some clueless noob joins, nails the 1% loot chance and may have actually wanted it if he time warped 6 months into the future.

What I do want to know is just who you are? If you are going outta your way to state you plan to not group with a certain guild, have the courtesy to let them know who you are. I accidentally group with enough crybabies as is, I'd be happy to avoid an extra. Thanks brother (feel free to PM me the list).

PS - The whole new zero pre-req idiotic teleport wands kinda invalidates the major basis of your qq post anyway. Dump your masks on the AH today, pwn a noob of your very own.

[Joseph]

There are a LOT of quests I have not done - that I would like to see.

There are also a LOT of quests that I have done, and wanted to complete on different levels to get favor or whatever (flagging, etc.). I might not want to sit through them, or I might not have the time to sit through them.

If someone wants an extra chance at runes and or loot when I am in the party, and they are cool with me just sitting at the entrance or wherever - I am 100% cool with that.

For me it is a win / win situation - sponsored piking, if you will. I see nothing wrong with it. Any new player who signs up for this is, sadly, generally not going to get invited into a 'real' party to do it anyway - because enough 'real' parties don't exist, or the real parties that are there (Shroud and Hound are perfect examples) blitz the quest, and a person who gets lost in quest is screwed unless a nice player comes and saves them.

I don't usually 'charge' people when I am doing it - but when I got my Dragon completion in GH, I got in the group because I agreed to give up any scales I got. Prior to that I was unable to get in the quest (weeks of trying).

Anyway :p

[Memnir]

yes it was . the bodies didnt go to waste . we can eat tacos for a month .Agreed!
However, one must be sure that taco is thoroughly cooked first...





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Sometimes the raw ones scratch a bit going down. :D

[gizmos199]

I believe that what the OP is trying to say is that even if someone tells a newer player the value/rarity of some of the items for which he is looking, it is unlikely that the new player will truly grasp the likely hood of ever getting said items again. The LFM poster is effectively using knowledge and power acquired over a long period of time to run quests that can be soloed very easily by non-geared characters with knowledge of the quest, and then acting like he has accomplished something that was difficult and actually worthy of the item for which he is asking, when the item is worth much, much more. Under the current arrangement, the OP feels that the LFM poster is false advertising his accomplishment/contribution, and requesting an exorbitant fee for this contribution.

If he was truly not trying to take advantage of uninformed players, the LFM poster should get a group of experienced players, having each of them start and clear their own instance. Then one loots, joins the second, both loot, join the third, three loot, join the fourth, four loot, etc, etc. This would get everyone several chances at loot for which arrangements could be made prior to looting for distribution.

I think that the first practice is very shady and greedy. The second would be much more fair.

wrong .wrong and wrong
6 ppl do there own instance . 1 peron would loot 6x and 1 would only get loot 1x . please take time and think about what you are going to say . before you say it .

[gizmos199]

That is exactly what is going on. And it exploits new players. Ya i get that a few players that are lazy and know exactly what there giving up for a fast completion for flaggin or w/e so they can coat tail ride inside raids as other do that for them too and just dont have the skill for w/e reason to do a quest 6 lvls below them on normal. But these lfm also targets new players that just don't realy grasp what they are giving up and there real value and just how easly it was to clear out a lvl 10 quest on normal at lvl 16 just is.

Putting in your lfm that your giving free flaggin and chests for your there royal guard mask. makes it sounds like they getting something out those chest.

Everyone knows but the new person that the chest only give out lvl 4-6 gear! so implying they are getting Free LOOT too is completly miss leading.

And to say that the person who soloed the quest did so much work in gholo fan. realy? going from the start of the quest to the end cand castin firewall every so often is so much work compared to just going to the end?

Hardest part about that quest is finding it lol give me a brake!
there is a tutor progame here on the server if you care so much join it . teach new players whats right what wrong . and put your alts in sing pls .

[Arlith]

Yes yes yes... All your points are well taken. Now, can we go back to kitty killing?

http://www.ugotgames.com/action/kitty-cannon.php

[SkunkMonger187]

yes it was . the bodies didnt go to waste . we can eat tacos for a month .

Rezpect up on that one Roc the meter just went of the heazzy, im bringin the extra hot Tacho sauce and tequillah , and cuban cigares as digestives, s**&t you reacon Legion will skin them as well, it make the cooking all the easier.

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[Thrudh]

That is exactly what is going on. And it exploits new players. Ya i get that a few players that are lazy and know exactly what there giving up for a fast completion for flaggin or w/e so they can coat tail ride inside raids as other do that for them too and just dont have the skill for w/e reason to do a quest 6 lvls below them on normal. But these lfm also targets new players that just don't realy grasp what they are giving up and there real value and just how easly it was to clear out a lvl 10 quest on normal at lvl 16 just is.

Putting in your lfm that your giving free flaggin and chests for your there royal guard mask. makes it sounds like they getting something out those chest.

Everyone knows but the new person that the chest only give out lvl 4-6 gear! so implying they are getting Free LOOT too is completly miss leading.

And to say that the person who soloed the quest did so much work in gholo fan. realy? going from the start of the quest to the end cand castin firewall every so often is so much work compared to just going to the end?

Hardest part about that quest is finding it lol give me a brake!

I think your point holds up fairly well for Ghola Fan... The only thing to be gained from that chest is the Royal Guard Mask... No one with any experience would run out there just for the chest loot...

So yeah, I see what you're saying about an LFM like that taking advantage of new people...

But that only applies to Ghola Fan... Cursed Crypt offers a chance to upgrade an amulet... The Refuge quests let you flag for Sorjek... I DO consider it a favor to me when someone holds open a Monestary run and just wants the runes... Especially since I already have all the runes I want..

I thank the person for giving me a free essence...

I don;t think your OP made it clear you were talking about a Ghola Fan LFM (Maybe it did, I'm too lazy to check) :)

[centurian]

there is a tutor progame here on the server if you care so much join it . teach new players whats right what wrong . and put your alts in sing pls .

Well to me Im not a too long ago noob player,and I find it to be in bad manners and no show of hounor to try prey on new players. Lets just put this to rest already. Some guilds will help you, and obviously some will try take advantage of you. Its not too hard to tell the guilds that will take advantage, wich i simply lost respect for now,no matter how you try to defend it, its a simply wrong way to show as a human being treat folks without,what you would expect in return simple as that.

[gizmos199]

Well to me Im not a too long ago noob player,and I find it to be in bad manners and no show of hounor to try prey on new players. Lets just put this to rest already. Some guilds will help you, and obviously some will try take advantage of you. Its not too hard to tell the guilds that will take advantage, wich i simply lost respect for now,no matter how you try to defend it, its a simply wrong way to show as a human being treat folks without,what you would expect in return simple as that.

this thred was dead . . i deleted what was here cuz it wasnt that important . borrax be moer spacific pls .

[Bunker]

Well to me Im not a too long ago noob player,and I find it to be in bad manners and no show of hounor to try prey on new players. Lets just put this to rest already. Some guilds will help you, and obviously some will try take advantage of you. Its not too hard to tell the guilds that will take advantage, wich i simply lost respect for now,no matter how you try to defend it, its a simply wrong way to show as a human being treat folks without,what you would expect in return simple as that.

/agreed

[Clay]

be moer spacific pls .

out of cyuryousty is the moer any relayshun to the boer? that wood mayk it south affrikka woodn't it and not thu s. pacyfyk?

[Memnir]

Oh noes!!!
The kitties have risen from the dead and are attacking! Zombie Kitties! Zombie Kitties!!! Abandon thread and flee for your lives!!!!







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[Glorious]

That is just a disturbing image...just very disturbing....

[gizmos199]

Well to me Im not a too long ago noob player,and I find it to be in bad manners and no show of hounor to try prey on new players. Lets just put this to rest already. Some guilds will help you, and obviously some will try take advantage of you. Its not too hard to tell the guilds that will take advantage, wich i simply lost respect for now,no matter how you try to defend it, its a simply wrong way to show as a human being treat folks without,what you would expect in return simple as that. you r a friend to SL .you typed that you lost respect for some one who is trying to defend it . and you have my name up there what r you geting at .


/agreedyou agree bunk you? you have no respect for ROC .


out of cyuryousty is the moer any relayshun to the boer? that wood mayk it south affrikka woodn't it and not thu s. pacyfyk? what r you geting at . you makeing fun of my spelling
is that all you got . lame .

[gizmos199]

this is what happened . the person who put up the thread we will call poblo and the guy in question we will call juan . so pablo seen an lfm " quest cleared come to the end get free chest all i want is the mask " .
so pablo thinks well it never dropes so i will join . gets in group makes it to end and there it is in the chest under pablos name .juan says ."sweet i got what i wanted " but pablo dosent see it that way so he pulls it out of the chest and drops group .
feeling guilty that he reniged on a deal he started a post and atacked juan in it . then he smered a guild , he claimed outlandish stuff . now juan wasnt going to start a thred he was going to countiue whit his life . till some one pointed this out to him .

so plain and simpel if you agree with pablo then YOU r wrong there is no outher way around it . a deal is a deal . dont go into a deal that you cant keep . or els you r no better than the guy who was tradeing WoP rapiers for +2 tomes from back in the day . i herd that guy is no longer on the server

[SableShadow]

Oh noes!!!
The kitties have risen from the dead and are attacking! Zombie Kitties! Zombie Kitties!!! Abandon thread and flee for your lives!!!!


http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo230/theluckyjosh/DDO/zombieKitty-2.jpg?t=1245271503

[gizmos199]

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo230/theluckyjosh/DDO/zombieKitty-2.jpg?t=1245271503

not true all the kitten where eaten so this can not be posibel .... unless the came to life after they came out the outher side

[Purgatory]

this is what happened . the person who put up the thread we will call poblo and the guy in question we will call juan . so pablo seen an lfm " quest cleared come to the end get free chest all i want is the mask " .
so pablo thinks well it never dropes so i will join . gets in group makes it to end and there it is in the chest under pablos name .juan says ."sweet i got what i wanted " but pablo dosent see it that way so he pulls it out of the chest and drops group .
feeling guilty that he reniged on a deal he started a post and atacked juan in it . then he smered a guild , he claimed outlandish stuff . now juan wasnt going to start a thred he was going to countiue whit his life . till some one pointed this out to him .

so plain and simpel if you agree with pablo then YOU r wrong there is no outher way around it . a deal is a deal . dont go into a deal that you cant keep . or els you r no better than the guy who was tradeing WoP rapiers for +2 tomes from back in the day . i herd that guy is no longer on the server


LOL your so full of **** its petheric!

As if i would ever need or want anyone form Storm Lords to do a quest for me much less ever agree to such blantent terms that singles out newly uninformed palyers and use them to get xtra chance at loot and giving little in return as anyone with any game experiance know that ghola fan is very easly soloable at lvl 16 and the random loot is not even worth pulling out of the chest to sell to a vendor. With the only thing of value is the royal guard mask and this clearly that these lfms are targeted towards inexperianced players that are unaware how easy these quests are and that they are givine up the only thing of value within the quest after being misslead into joining.

you want my toons names here noob you can have them

Aceita, Acein, Aceir, Moshet, Citi bank, Helter, Delevel, Tuffman, Wandz, and Tanque

and anyone that has played with me knows i can solo 95% of the quest on elite in the game while carrying 5 gimpy storm lords on my coat tails!

I'am not bad mouthing your guild you are doing it for me you 1/2 wited twit.

[gizmos199]

it happend you know it did thats why you posted lies . you are not that uber . go cry to your momy. you bad mouthed my guild in every post . now i see y your out landis garbge came from your from infesux no wonder . there are a few good players the but i have played with only 2 of them and thats cuz most of there toons are on my guild . you can solo 95% of what WW oh i am impressed

[Delt]

You know, most of the people fighting -- with typed words -- in this thread can't spell or compose worth a ****, so it kinda kills the fun. Like I'm watching a GLOW wrestling match; sure the fighting sucks, but a nipple might pop out and then it's all worth it. **crosses fingers**

PS - Thanks for the alts Aceita. Pretty cute it's you of all people, trying to sell the "fighting against injustice towards noobs" angle. Funny, funny stuff, lol.

[Purgatory]

i have never onced lured new person into my groups so i can take advantage them in fact i try to discourage them from joining most my groups cuz i run ballz to the walls and usualy state that in my lfms fast/zerg run and have no problem showing my displeasure when someone joins my zerg/fast run only to slow it down to a complete crawl. I don't mislead them or take advantge of them.

think your confusing my displeasure for incompitent, brain dead players that cant flw simple directions or instrutions vs me being un noob friendly. I have no probly slowing helping out someone new and explaining things to them even taking them step by step threw some basic game tips. but i sure the hell not gona keep my mouth shut when i have to solve some morons puzzle that doing there 40th completion on the 10 th alt! that not a noob that a morron and usualy come with a storm lord guild tag attached to there name.

there a big differance!

oh and you are welcome.

[Delt]

but i sure the hell not gona keep my mouth shut when i have to solve some morons puzzle that doing there 40th completion on the 10 th alt! that not a noob that a morron and usualy come with a storm lord guild tag attached to there name.

I think I've only personally been disgusted twice in 3+ years of treatment of someone new to the game. The 2nd was you bailing on some small guild's first attempt at the Shroud, which you joined, had a big hissy fit in, then bailed (thank god for my detailed "friends" list).

You keep selling your "THIS-IS-RIP-OFF-OF-NOOBS-WHO-MIGHT-PULL-GOOD-THING-THAT-WON'T-BE-GOOD-IN-DDD:EU-BUT-STILL-KINDA-GOOD-AND-IF-THEY-TIME-TRAVELLED-TO-FUTURE-MAYBE-THEY-WANT-IT-EVEN-THOUGH-THEY-WOULD-NOT-HAVE-PULLED-IT-IF-THEY-DIDNT-JOIN-THAT-RIPOFF-LFM" angle that would otherwise make any normal person's head explode. Personally, I like forum drama, no matter who it's directed at or how stupid it is.

SL won't miss you in-game, probably because we don't consider Running with the Devils an uber loot run and aren't one of the 5-10 people that bothered with your Tuffman deal.

Peace brother :cool:

[Purgatory]

Are you sure? seems like a lot of them been crying up a storm when they been getting declined all week long so far. Either way keep trying to use ppl and ill keep sending SL to the curb. there a big difrance from me caring your guildies threw hard/elite lvl 16-17 quests for fast easy completions with no strings attached then SL trying to swindle inexperianced new players out of rare drops from lvl 9 quests on normal.

[gizmos199]

Are you sure? seems like a lot of them been crying up a storm when they been getting declined all week long so far. Either way keep trying to use ppl and ill keep sending SL to the curb. there a big difrance from me caring your guildies threw hard/elite lvl 16-17 quests for fast easy completions with no strings attached then SL trying to swindle inexperianced new players out of rare drops from lvl 9 quests on normal.
once again makeing up noonsence ..no one knew who you was till just now . you had splif as your main . a made up toon . you baned ppl who had NO idea who you was . thinking you r tough . we dont need you for your 50 min kobolt run . or your 63 min shroud run . we dont need you . and i wount party with infersuxs again . i carried your backaswards ppl though the shroud .
dont sleep 90 % of all tactics that are beeing used in shroud are mine . MINE . so SL dose have an impact on this sever .

[Delt]

Are you sure? seems like a lot of them been crying up a storm when they been getting declined all week long so far. Either way keep trying to use ppl and ill keep sending SL to the curb. there a big difrance from me caring your guildies threw hard/elite lvl 16-17 quests for fast easy completions with no strings attached then SL trying to swindle inexperianced new players out of rare drops from lvl 9 quests on normal.

The saddest thing is, you really do believe Devils is something of an accomplishment above and beyond a Ghola solo clear, don't you? Funny stuff.

Anyway, I'm sure some SL clicked one of your Devil runs to get flagged, then you declined them, they were all confused (since you were still hiding your alts) and said "***?!" and then you took a screenshot, said "LOL!!1" and uploaded it to imageshack so you can look at it daily and remind yourself of that one week you "pwned a million Stormlords" as you quiver with pleasure. It's all super exciting. Most SL don't visit these forums, most will never know your name - I wish you lot of luck in your mission to decline any SL alts you manage to snag flagging.

Good for you champ, that'll show em!

[Memnir]

...watching a GLOW wrestling match...Ah, the mammaries... I mean MEMORIES!!!




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[gizmos199]

you know you come on here with that holier than tho blanter .if you was like that i would have know atleast one of your toons .but i dont know any of them . i dont even know y i let this get to me even a smigen . you are a nobody . not many ppl know you . so that whole "i help ppl out " is all fals . you have lied and made up moer lies . and moer lies . you hid behind a made up toon so you could sucker ppl in . i think you r just what you claim my guild is . a swindeler . SL has been stright foward with everthing in this thred . you r the one whos been holding back . like a scared littel girl .

[Purgatory]

Sorry can't understand your jiberish.

[Lunewann]

Okay I belive I have decifered most of the trash and facts and here is my 2-cents worth......


Why extort the littl' guy.... If you wish for a item so bad because you can't afford the prices on AH... Then ask your guild grab your friends and use them for the help.

Simple really....


Lune Out.

[gizmos199]

The saddest thing is, you really do believe Devils is something of an accomplishment above and beyond a Ghola solo clear, don't you? Funny stuff.

Anyway, I'm sure some SL clicked one of your Devil runs to get flagged, then you declined them, they were all confused (since you were still hiding your alts) and said "***?!" and then you took a screenshot, said "LOL!!1" and uploaded it to imageshack so you can look at it daily and remind yourself of that one week you "pwned a million Stormlords" as you quiver with pleasure. It's all super exciting. Most SL don't visit these forums, most will never know your name - I wish you lot of luck in your mission to decline any SL alts you manage to snag flagging.

Good for you champ, that'll show em!

how verry true . .....

[gizmos199]

Okay I belive I have decifered most of the trash and facts and here is my 2-cents worth......


Why extort the littl' guy.... If you wish for a item so bad because you can't afford the prices on AH... Then ask your guild grab your friends and use them for the help.

Simple really....


Lune Out.

you didnt read the whole thread .NO ONE WAS SCAMED . the littel guy was not scammed . a scam is when you sell a bad thing as a good thing . there was no fauls advertizing . pls read the whole thred

[damionmarcus]

For the first 2.5 years of playing DDO, I never use to care that much as to who was on the team / in the raid, and then about 3+ months after the merger, things changed.

There has been so much animosity between guilds, disdain between players and factions and a fair bit of anger in general (most likely due to over a year with no mods) that I changed my practice of hitting LFM's about 6+ months ago.

If I don't recognize the leader to be someone I prefer to team with, I will either not joing, or I quickly scan the "WHO" tab to see what guild they are part of and some of the other players on the team.

If the leader is in a guild like Dungeons and Dragons Anonymous, who accepted me onto team, just to boot me because I am in Legion, or it's another guild I don't think well of, I don't join.

Regrettably I don't join as many teams as I use to, but based on Legion, the many other guilds I think highly of and the House T group, I'm not suffering too horribly.

Honestly, I've never joined a group if someone says free completion, just hand me your end loot. I enjoy the quests / raids too much for that.

If the person clears the quest and posts free completion if you give me your end chest contents... well, I'm cool with that. I won't join, but I think it's fair.

I mean really... the person does all the work, so if they are honest with their intent, what is the big deal?

Just to clear the air (as the Leader of Dungeons and Dragons Anonymous)....I like a few of the Legion members and have had very good runs with a few of them. When I booted you from my group and you asked why I stated that you had booted me from a shroud raid without explanation prior to starting, AND, I told you to get used to it, because any time YOU tried to join my group I would do it again. From your response "I have never been booted from a group before" It felt how it should have. Because thats how it felt when you did it to me.
It had NOTHING to do with your guild, and everything to do with you. Because as you have said about yourself, I dont forget either.

sorry to get off thread but needed to respond to comments about me

[Clay]

what r you geting at . you makeing fun of my spelling
is that all you got . lame .

I abelolusty am nto maeknig phun uf yuor sepillng. I jsut sepnd so mcuh tmie tyrnig to dcehiper waht yu r trinyg to say yuor massege gtes lsot. Iamnige if evry psoter craed so litl to mak pstos lgybl. My Gawd. I c a wrd speld rite in wan pst thn myspeld n a difefrnet pst. Its kndia phun akchally. Iffn it dydnt tkae so long I mghit do thys allataim!

[Thrudh]

I abelolusty am nto maeknig phun uf yuor sepillng. I jsut sepnd so mcuh tmie tyrnig to dcehiper waht yu r trinyg to say yuor massege gtes lsot. Iamnige if evry psoter craed so litl to mak pstos lgybl. My Gawd. I c a wrd speld rite in wan pst thn myspeld n a difefrnet pst. Its kndia phun akchally. Iffn it dydnt tkae so long I mghit do thys allataim!


Heh :) +1 rep to Clay!

[Thrudh]

Weird to see Storm Lords and Legion fighting...

Both of those guilds run very smooth raids... Both guilds are very competent.

I don't see this issue as a big deal... As long as the LFM states the rules upfront, then it's all good...

With 7 capped characters, and limited time, I appreciate a free flag now and then...

[gizmos199]

Weird to see Storm Lords and Legion fighting...

Both of those guilds run very smooth raids... Both guilds are very competent.

I don't see this issue as a big deal... As long as the LFM states the rules upfront, then it's all good...

With 7 capped characters, and limited time, I appreciate a free flag now and then...

you got one guild right . that outher guy is from infersuxs no legion . although he claims to be a elites

[gizmos199]

I abelolusty am nto maeknig phun uf yuor sepillng. I jsut sepnd so mcuh tmie tyrnig to dcehiper waht yu r trinyg to say yuor massege gtes lsot. Iamnige if evry psoter craed so litl to mak pstos lgybl. My Gawd. I c a wrd speld rite in wan pst thn myspeld n a difefrnet pst. Its kndia phun akchally. Iffn it dydnt tkae so long I mghit do thys allataim!

aftter gyving thiis a tryie i noticeds what yuoi meane thisss si aolt of iffn funn i am gioing to doio i all thee timee .
ifinyuor nont lykyeing my spelling you cnna gotoa fuycki yuo slef . cuseed in ther ebnd is aill yesrs got .evryees on1s si a tuffesguys tills i havesed a knive tose thereas facesa

[Clay]

aftter gyving thiis a tryie i noticeds what yuoi meane thisss si aolt of iffn funn i am gioing to doio i all thee timee .
ifinyuor nont lykyeing my spelling you cnna gotoa fuycki yuo slef . cuseed in ther ebnd is aill yesrs got .evryees on1s si a tuffesguys tills i havesed a knive tose thereas facesa

gioing ?

yu alreddy du!

[Purgatory]

aftter gyving thiis a tryie i noticeds what yuoi meane thisss si aolt of iffn funn i am gioing to doio i all thee timee .
ifinyuor nont lykyeing my spelling you cnna gotoa fuycki yuo slef . cuseed in ther ebnd is aill yesrs got .evryees on1s si a tuffesguys tills i havesed a knive tose thereas facesa

So this is how those plat farmers name there toons ROFL


asfkladsfjasd;lkfjas lol

[Delt]

So this is how those plat farmers name there toons ROFL


I make fun of roc's spelling all day, as do others. You doing it is kinda like paraplegic making fun of a guy with prosthetic legs. "its petheric!"

Leave the low brow trolling to the big kids junior.

[hammerstriker1]

Aceita, I'm confused as to how your dissaproval of one person's attempt to get named loot from quests turned into an SL bashing fest. I've grouped with you several times and have yet to see you carry my stone anywhere, much less complete a quest with me anywhere near your coat-tails. For you to come on here and say SL sucks because you don't like an LFM is rediculous.

So some one posts an LFM that staits: I want 'this', help me pull it and join for easy flagging. I'm curious as to how this takes advantage of anyone. People who may not have the opportunity to, for example, titan flag and may not know how to get to the quests or don't have the time to run to and do said quests get a quick flag in. Not everyone who plays this game can play for 4 hours/day. Some casual players never get titan flagged because they don't have the time or knowledge to do so. Besides, with the 'store' in the next mod, some items will just be a luxory. Granted, quests like Cursed Crypt have loot that would benefit many players, but with the agreement up front like that?

I understand your dissaproval of the LFM. I really do. Is it greed? Maybe it is. Is it wrong? I don't think so. Would I ever do that? No. However, no one, I repeat, No One, gets taken advantage of.

[gizmos199]

gioing ?

yu alreddy du!

dontzi yoiuz nedesz to beeza colectrez 25 maranad potzsazx . you got your own thred to worrie about .
delt even tho that was funnie as hell. it could have hurt my feelings . um no it didnt . 1ce moer clay i might not know how to spell well . but you dont have to read it . ,,l,, you dont have to read this ,,l,, you dont have to be on an SL thread ,,l,, clay y do you attack me r you affried there might be a better player in SL . do you feel threated .
must be it cuz i dont see any outher resone y you would still be here . so i thank you for the complament carry on

[gizmos199]

So this is how those plat farmers name there toons ROFL


asfkladsfjasd;lkfjas lol

thats all you got hu . didnt you get your 1st mill from me ... hang on let me chex my recoreds

[moorewr]

I'm jumping into this very late, but I have to say: the classy way to get help farming an item is to do multiple runs and say "help me get mine and I'll help you get yours."

I was in on a memorable series of icy raiment runs that DARPA put on.. so many toon switches! He ran that thing till his eyes must have been falling out, but everyone who wanted a raiment got one in the end.

[gizmos199]

I'm jumping into this very late, but I have to say: the classy way to get help farming an item is to do multiple runs and say "help me get mine and I'll help you get yours."

I was in on a memorable series of icy raiment runs that DARPA put on.. so many toon switches! He ran that thing till his eyes must have been falling out, but everyone who wanted a raiment got one in the end.

that is a good way of doing it i agree .

[Waukeen]

Weird to see Storm Lords and Legion fighting...

Both of those guilds run very smooth raids... Both guilds are very competent.

I don't see this issue as a big deal... As long as the LFM states the rules upfront, then it's all good...

With 7 capped characters, and limited time, I appreciate a free flag now and then...

Did you read the thread Thrudh? Let me recap for you. Dude from Infernus Sus is mad about lfms like "rainbow complete:free loot and stone, I get twigs." This anger became pointed towards Storm Lords fairly early in the thread. Gismos (i.e. Roc) from SL took exception to this and the fight began. It was a real page-turner with some classy photos of kittens posted by a Legion dude. Clay poked fun at Roc's spelling and they both posted some interesting phoneticly themed posts towards the end. That is where we are now.

I'm part of the who gives a *#@! crowd when it comes to lfms. Trade lfms bug me because they take up space, other than that if you are actually doing something then whatever. As far as the who's lewt is it angle, who cares... its the guy that pulls it and then whoever they pass it over to through any method they choose. If the person from the example above keeps the twig they are supposed to give up, well then they are going back on an undestanding or agreement... and thats not cool, but I have trouble having sympathy for the 'wronged' party.

Mostly I just posted because Thrudh hasnt a clu wat has ben happng in this thred.

[gizmos199]

LAZARATH ... funnie recp ..of the tread no back to ower program

Hi . My name is roc . You might remember me from such fillms as " A thread with a roc " or "Clay is on the wrong side of the tracks " * staring ROC* or my most recent DRAMMA " Sorry ACIE we dont play for that teem "
but i am here today to talk over something serious . gannahepascifalitics . it's a disses where you say something that is not true about a guild , so you can sleep well at night .
well here at the IWILLROCU foundation we are developing treat ments for that . SHore cuers cunsite of a BAT to the face , and or electracuting onces tetstes . pleas donate genoruly to the cause . or els ppl like ACIE might be a butholesufer for a long time .
give reps when you can .

ps ROC cares . ........or dosent......... who knows

[Clay]

I am of the opinion that if I am on the opposite side of the tracks as Roc, i must be on the right side!

I see lfms like that and if I am bored will post a competing one that states: I will run you thru Ghola AND you can keep your mask. Or whatever the lfm is offering. Is it deceptive of them to post lfms like that? No. People are not being forced to join. It's not even a violation of the EULA or LFM panel rules so I really don't understand why people get so bent out of shape.

[Nigel137]

No no no Roc, you can't star in your own movie! Ace is the star, he must be...why do you think they call him Ace? Ok, only ace calls himself ace, but he's still a legend in his own mind...I mean time, yeah. And Clay needs some attention too, why else would he be here? Give him 2nd billing on the marqee.

[Clay]

Not sure why you are here Nigel, its not a Legion bashing thread.

It's a Storm Lord bashing thread.

I know you get all excited when you think some Legion bashing is going on, but this here is a case of permachure ejackulashion.

P.S sorry we didn't accept your 100 manna pots offer for the Legion for a day Program but your winning personality is just too uber for us.

[Nigel137]

Yes the land of rock candy mountains and licorice rainbows. Click your heels together 3 times Clay. There's no place like home...

Seriously, easy on those meds buddy.

[Clay]

Ahhh you gotta love a guy whose only posting agenda seems be to bash one group of people flinging about rejoinders like 'watch your meds.'

C'mon Nigel don't be disappointed, there will be more Legion bashing threads in the future. Keep your chin up little man.

[Nigel137]

and the last word, once again, to Mr. Clay. No more 2nd billing, it's all about legion now.

back to you friend...

[Nigel137]

c'mon, you know ya wanna....

[Clay]

I am sure that Roc won't mind a break from the Storm Lord bashing.

And of the two of us the one that reads legion into everything is not me... so what is your hang up? Pretty brave of you to so obviously display your hangups in public.

And since when did an on-going discussion have to have the last word? Is that what you have been trying to do in all those long deleted threads? I AM sorry little Nigel. I will be more sensitive to your issues in the future. I imagine it gets hot and itchy under that helmet.

[gizmos199]

I am of the opinion that if I am on the opposite side of the tracks as Roc, i must be on the right side!

I see lfms like that and if I am bored will post a competing one that states: I will run you thru Ghola AND you can keep your mask. Or whatever the lfm is offering. Is it deceptive of them to post lfms like that? No. People are not being forced to join. It's not even a violation of the EULA or LFM panel rules so I really don't understand why people get so bent out of shape.
do what you like . by the looks of things you didnt read the whole thred . read up . or did you come hear just to make fun of my spelling . join me for a price . who dose that .? there is nothing wrong with it

[Trina]

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And that my friends is kitten holocaust!

[Memnir]

I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion I blame Legion

And that my friends is kitten holocaust!With the utter lack of punctuation - I'm afraid the judges have ruled that it only comes across as one, prolonged Legion Blame. So, alas, only one kitty died for that post. However, I've been told it was an exceptionally cute kitten who was adorably scampering after a ball of yarn at the time... so it was still worth it.

:D

[Clay]

do what you like . by the looks of things you didnt read the whole thred . read up . or did you come hear just to make fun of my spelling . join me for a price . who dose that .? there is nothing wrong with it

I am guessing you did not read my whole post. Or was my spelling too bad? And no I did not read the whole thread... read the first few pages... tried reading your posts Roc and found that without my Rosetta stone, it was just too difficult. If you had read my post (and sorry for my accurate spelling, it was just too much work to mistype so) you might have perceived that I am not opposed to such LFMs nor do they violate any in game rules. While I find them cheesy they do not upset me.

Did I come here just to make fun of your spelling? Absolutely not. Aside from the fact that there is little that the term spelling would be used to describe, I find the amount of effort you take to make your posts illegible admirable... It takes a lot of effort to do so. Kudos to ya!

I know I gave up after only 2 or 3 posts.

[gizmos199]

I am of the opinion that if I am on the opposite side of the tracks as Roc, i must be on the right side!

I see lfms like that and if I am bored will post a competing one that states: I will run you thru Ghola AND you can keep your mask. Or whatever the lfm is offering. Is it deceptive of them to post lfms like that? No. People are not being forced to join. It's not even a violation of the EULA or LFM panel rules so I really don't understand why people get so bent out of shape.

everthing you said here i said first . in all my post .

[gizmos199]

While I find them cheesy they do not upset me.





call it whatever you want . it must have had an impact on you to come here far fom a legion bashing thread . to try to get a rise . heres a fun fact i leared how to read in jail . iam self tought . i didnt have the lugerys you fwaks have . i didnt come fome a white supremcy block only to find i play with what i hate . i fought for this country so you could have the right to spue **** on here. all i ask is if you are going to flam do it about what i type not how . or mabe thats all you could get on me cuz my argument was valid . ALL "you had was he types bad" lets point and laugh . wow i am impressed . here lets try something diffrent come at my responce to this thred . you cant and you wount . heres y 1 ) i am right and you agreed with me NOT the outer wat around .
2) i fought for 1 person . you disagree with me , you will disagree with your whole guild . *25 pots be legion for a day * same concept differnt way of doing it . i am willing to bet you all got the idea from here .
i took a lighter side to these post in the end by craking jokes . but you wanna test my intelect fine dont think for 1 sec that my spelling hampers me . i will dwarf most of your friends in a sec . i have a miltary mind and an avarge IQ 147 . i rashiolize things in ways ppl dont would have never dreamed of . you think i am cakking? MY way of thinking made the shroud ez . and outher quest . chalenge it go ahead . chalenge me . come at me as an intelect

[Purgatory]

so you fought for this country so we have the right to come to ddo forums? and u claim u taught yourself how to read in jail. Hmmm last i check the military hasn't been taking illiterate criminals into there ranks for some time now like maybe 50 years ago.....

[gizmos199]

so you fought for this country so we have the right to come to ddo forums? and u claim u taught yourself how to read in jail. Hmmm last i check the military hasn't been taking illiterate criminals into there ranks for some time now like maybe 50 years ago.....
that could be concidered a point . lets open your minde a bit . minor crimes like random brawls dont count . and typeing wasnt in the asvab . once again pugatory . you fail . Feel free to try again .



all jokeing aside purgatory if kast up set you in any way you should have delt with him only . but you came hear you slandered him . I think those post was an atempt to get him booted from SL .
" any guild that agrees with that " ! Mabe this is what you wanted to see . "Sorry purg wont happen again" *kast BOOT* . Heres what you got ,,l,,
so you failed at geting him booted . after that you made up stories . why ? becuse there wasnt anything you could do .
i came up with a story of my own . it made you so mad that you finaly decided to reveil your self.(
you posed as someone named spliff that didnt exist . ) thinking that it would gane you some respect . i realy dont know what it got you in outer, guilds but hears what you got from most ppl i know . a contiuation of beeing avoied . you have a narrow minde and way of thinking is shalow .
(<--- that right there is not me bashing by the way)if you would have aproced this thred without the hate you might have gotten moer pepol to see it your way . I would have never come here . and this thred would not be kicking still . But insted you chose to slam an entier guild to satisfy your need . witch inturn is greed by the way . so you have become that witch you loth and have no outher way of expressing your self . my advice tell the truth . its ez here copy and past this .
i dislike kast . i have no hard feelings towds SL . ... that right there is not an apolige its just claiming the truth , and in that this whole thing will die . wouldn't you like the name calling to stop . i would . i dont like the forum . but i am not going to stand by and whatch someone bash my guild for there own selfish needs . i dont want to be here i would rather be playing . But i am compeled to type all this so you have a way to express your true feelings . you didnt hate SL till roc made you feel minut and infreior .

[Clay]

Aww Roc, now don't get your shorts all bunched up.

Yeah I am poking fun at your posts, like I do to anyone on these public boards. Am I belittling you? Insulting you? Insulting Storm Lords? No. As abrasive as people are in Legion you have to be one of the most abrasive people I have met in game. Personally, I don't have any problems with you and never have. You must expect a little ribbing from time to time?

What do you think these public boards are but to try and get rises out of each other, in one way or another? The whole point of jest and humor is to do just that. The joke didn't go over well for you... then throw a virtual tomato. But spare the the little violin serenading feeling sorry for your self cus someone didn't treat your posts, that are written with the care and attentiveness of a 2nd grader, like they are the writings of Shakespeare.

For someone with as high an IQ as you claim to have, then legible writing should be a piece of cake, right? And if you really don't care how you write, then just laugh and say Clay is an arse and go about your posting. I have never seen as many posts from you as I have seen in this thread and they just made me laugh as it reminded me of some online joke I once read. (http://www.funny-potato.com/read-this.html)

[lostinjapan]

For someone with as high an IQ as you claim to have, then legible writing should be a piece of cake, right? And if you really don't care how you write, then just laugh and say Clay is an arse and go about your posting.

Spelling is important (http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/misspelling-it-still-matters-alot-demotivational-poster.jpg). ;)

[gizmos199]

tom eddison . didnt graduate the 3rd grade . didnt even know how to write and barly read . the man was geinus . undeniabel fact . reading writeing have nothing to do with cmmonsence . do i want a ribbion from time to time . yes i do . have i been braging on these threds yes i have . why becuse i like to from time to time . you gus do it all the time why cant i . is it becuse i am not legion .heres what i am tring to say in a nut shell .back off my thred has nothing to do with you . stop trying to pic a fight with me especialy when we agree on the topic .
it dosent matter much that i cant spell . i realy dont care what you think about that .what i do care about is my guild and some one slandering it for no resone outher than to feed there selfishness . i have read a legion bashing thred and you resond the same way i do when it comes to your guild . like i said there was never a resone for you to be here . bashing . at least i will give you credit you didnt make it an SL thing .
am i a jerk . yes i am i can admit it . do i dish it . yes i do and pepol give it back and we joke . some ppl kill themselfs after or the family dog who know . can i admit it yup . in this thred you got nothing on me . in you last post you got nothing on me . except onece again . *you cant spell well * that one got old 4 post ago i laught i did the 1st 2 times now realy dont care much for it . time to move on . Move on man defend your thred from your guild . i went there ,i posted nicely . how about some common certcy now that you know WE are defending the same thing . or r you going to comment on my spelling again.
P.S i gave you respect cuz i see you as an interlectual . but in youe last post you had the unexpected insuts of . mispeling bluder =( i must have juded you wrongly

[gizmos199]

Spelling is important (http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/misspelling-it-still-matters-alot-demotivational-poster.jpg). ;)

it is verry important . thats y i never come here .
in the land of the blind the one eyeed man is king

[lostinjapan]

it is verry important . thats y i never come here .
in the land of the blind the one eyeed man is king

A solution for anyone who has difficulty with the written English language:


Type your response here (http://www.spellchecker.net/spellcheck/), then paste it into the thread (multiple tabs in a browser work phenomenally).

[gizmos199]

Scrach that the last post i had about my spelling was a lie . It did hurt my feeling and i do try . I read what i can and try to remeber the wording . I always find myself going back and fixing the littel mistakes that i see . over time i will get better . I will progress . When i peak i will anilate every one with my perfect spelling and propr gramer . I am ROC i will over come . This is my weekness . know thy self .
there i am done it feels good when i tell the truth

[Purgatory]

that could be concidered a point . lets open your minde a bit . minor crimes like random brawls dont count . and typeing wasnt in the asvab . once again pugatory . you fail . Feel free to try again .



all jokeing aside purgatory if kast up set you in any way you should have delt with him only . but you came hear you slandered him . I think those post was an atempt to get him booted from SL .
" any guild that agrees with that " ! Mabe this is what you wanted to see . "Sorry purg wont happen again" *kast BOOT* . Heres what you got ,,l,,
so you failed at geting him booted . after that you made up stories . why ? becuse there wasnt anything you could do .
i came up with a story of my own . it made you so mad that you finaly decided to reveil your self.(
you posed as someone named spliff that didnt exist . ) thinking that it would gane you some respect . i realy dont know what it got you in outer, guilds but hears what you got from most ppl i know . a contiuation of beeing avoied . you have a narrow minde and way of thinking is shalow .
(<--- that right there is not me bashing by the way)if you would have aproced this thred without the hate you might have gotten moer pepol to see it your way . I would have never come here . and this thred would not be kicking still . But insted you chose to slam an entier guild to satisfy your need . witch inturn is greed by the way . so you have become that witch you loth and have no outher way of expressing your self . my advice tell the truth . its ez here copy and past this .
i dislike kast . i have no hard feelings towds SL . ... that right there is not an apolige its just claiming the truth , and in that this whole thing will die . wouldn't you like the name calling to stop . i would . i dont like the forum . but i am not going to stand by and whatch someone bash my guild for there own selfish needs . i dont want to be here i would rather be playing . But i am compeled to type all this so you have a way to express your true feelings . you didnt hate SL till roc made you feel minut and infreior .



Not once in my OP did i point to witch guild is using noobs to increase there chances on loot, not once in my OP did i say witch members are doing it. You two came here and opened your mouths on your own and let everyone know on your own who it is and what guild they are from. Every time I see these lfm its hosted from the same guild each and every time! I have even witness first hand how a new person was lured in to use them for the sole purpose to increase the leaders chances of loot with nothing for them to gain what so ever not even a completions/end reward not like that matters much on a lvl 9 quest!


I did tell the person it was a shady practice and there was a few of his guild members with him on top of it making this a guild event not a single isolated indivdaul from that guild. I didn't come here with the intent to Slander SL you guys did that all on your own by defending your guildys pethetic attempt to increase his chances at rare loot drops and waving your guilds flag all over the place in everyone face.

I simply stated that if this how your guild going to do business in DDO then they too will be subject to my fee's and charges when they pile-on to my group and they do and they do a lot. And to even suggest that your guild does not contain the largest pile on base this server has seen since smokeys guild then your just lying to your self SL been the butt of all bad pug group since they became a guild. But that what happens when you inlist every lvl 1 that comes off the boat into your guild and spam guild invited to them. but hey you still always get the "we the largest guild" title.

And for my char splif .. Well i played that toon for well over a year had over 200 raid completions and he just got rerolled as ill end up losing a feat with lvl cap and wanted it back so had to relevel him and take my last 2/3 rog lvles at 19-20 wich would open up a xtra feat for me since ill be taking my 6th lvl of ranger at 18 and not 20 and get itwf for free at 18 and pick up gtwf instead of using a feat to get itwf! and was able to play with 1 xtra pt at craetion since i could easly get a +2 int tome and only used +1 when I first made him. any more questions about how i lvl up my toons and why i delte them? he is my 11 barb/6 ranger/ 3 rog tempest barb with crit rage 1 and some nice back stabs and evasion and a bit of fav enemy mixed in on some key mobs. he will have full use of resist and protect wands also cure seious, intimdate, openlock,umd, mid 50 ac with a shield for those rare times ill need one. rams might, maxed out rages, and sneak attack, spring attack, tempest and umd in the low 30's. reflex save in the low 30's and can burst boost that into the high 30's. Yes i like my toons to be versatile and self sufficent as much as possible with out giving up much on dps.

[lostinjapan]

Scrach that the last post i had about my spelling was a lie . It did hurt my feeling and i do try . I read what i can and try to remeber the wording . I always find myself going back and fixing the littel mistakes that i see . over time i will get better . I will progress . When i peak i will anilate every one with my perfect spelling and propr gramer . I am ROC i will over come . This is my weekness . know thy self .
there i am done it feels good when i tell the truth

I wasn't trying to be disparaging in my remarks. I understand there are people out there who have less of an education than I do (and people with more, as well) and/or people who are ESL learners.

I'd prefer to encourage those individuals to improve their skills rather than belittle them.

I apologize if my posts came across negatively.

[Clay]

tom eddison . didnt graduate the 3rd grade . didnt even know how to write and barly read . the man was geinus . undeniabel fact . reading writeing have nothing to do with cmmonsence .

is that so? (http://edison.rutgers.edu/docsamp.htm)

He most certainly was a genius and was home schooled by his mother. Illiterate? Not even close. Reading and writing do not have much to do with common sense but they have much to do with public discourse.

I get it though, I get it. I'll stop pokin fun at your posts. Wasn't trying to make you feel bad. Was just jokingly trying to show that your posts are hard to read.

[silverraven]

Not once in my OP did i point to witch guild is using noobs ... You said it by implication
blah, blah, blah...I didn't come here with the intent to Slander SL....There's a joke right there

blah, blah, blah... but hey you still always get the "we the largest guild" title...The first thing you said right. I'm proud of the fact that we can run 2 guild only raids at once on a good day

blah, blah, blah... waving your guilds flag all over the place in everyone face....We have a flag...why wasn't I informed of this?!!:mad:

blah, blah, blah... how your guild going to do business in DDO...ummm I think it was one person who does it. Its a free country in case you haven't noticed. In Storm Lords we take peeps as they are, sure it might mean that we have the most outspoken peeps, but the one thing you can't call us are pile ons. We don't discriminate between the uber and the noob when running a quest or raid. We can PUG with the inexperienced and still complete in a decent time
...blah, blah, blah... when they pile-on to my group and they do and they do a lot. And to even suggest that your guild does not contain the largest pile on base this server has seen since smokeys guild then your just lying to your self SL been the butt of all bad pug group since they became a guild... This is just a complete fabrication


Responses in lime green. For the record, Roc may be a horrible speller(I have on many occasions offered to edit his forum postings:eek:) but he is not only one of the most competent levelers, and raid leader, but he is also one of my closest friends. There is not one person in SL that I wouldn't jump in front of a charging minotaur. Not one person I wouldn't give my best piece of equipment to because, contrary to popular belief, ( or at least a few uninformed individuals) we don't let just any noob into our guild. You have to be a noob who is an individual and likes to have fun. If they are inexperienced when they come in it doesn't last long because in Storm Lords our motto is, or should be..."If you give someone a fish you feed him for a day. If you teach him to fish you feed him for a lifetime"

Ok, enough with the mushies...:flame on:;)

[soloman]

so you fought for this country so we have the right to come to ddo forums? and u claim u taught yourself how to read in jail. Hmmm last i check the military hasn't been taking illiterate criminals into there ranks for some time now like maybe 50 years ago.....

Not true. I recruited for the National Guard (same recruiting standards as USARMY) for 2 years and theres not many things that you cannot get a waver on (when it comes to putting a fella in boots), escpecially if they have a strong desire to serve their country. But thats neither here nor there. As far as the LFMs go, I do not agree with them at all but I am not going to tell others what they should think about the LFMs either. Just as I do not agree with the lifestyle of a dragqueen but I am not going to run a anti weirdo rally condeming their choices. Live and let live....

[hammerstriker1]

Not once in my OP did i point to witch guild is using noobs to increase there chances on loot, not once in my OP did i say witch members are doing it. You two came here and opened your mouths on your own and let everyone know on your own who it is and what guild they are from. Every time I see these lfm its hosted from the same guild each and every time! I have even witness first hand how a new person was lured in to use them for the sole purpose to increase the leaders chances of loot with nothing for them to gain what so ever not even a completions/end reward not like that matters much on a lvl 9 quest!


I did tell the person it was a shady practice and there was a few of his guild members with him on top of it making this a guild event not a single isolated indivdaul from that guild. I didn't come here with the intent to Slander SL you guys did that all on your own by defending your guildys pethetic attempt to increase his chances at rare loot drops and waving your guilds flag all over the place in everyone face.

I simply stated that if this how your guild going to do business in DDO then they too will be subject to my fee's and charges when they pile-on to my group and they do and they do a lot. And to even suggest that your guild does not contain the largest pile on base this server has seen since smokeys guild then your just lying to your self SL been the butt of all bad pug group since they became a guild. But that what happens when you inlist every lvl 1 that comes off the boat into your guild and spam guild invited to them. but hey you still always get the "we the largest guild" title.

And for my char splif .. Well i played that toon for well over a year had over 200 raid completions and he just got rerolled as ill end up losing a feat with lvl cap and wanted it back so had to relevel him and take my last 2/3 rog lvles at 19-20 wich would open up a xtra feat for me since ill be taking my 6th lvl of ranger at 18 and not 20 and get itwf for free at 18 and pick up gtwf instead of using a feat to get itwf! and was able to play with 1 xtra pt at craetion since i could easly get a +2 int tome and only used +1 when I first made him. any more questions about how i lvl up my toons and why i delte them? he is my 11 barb/6 ranger/ 3 rog tempest barb with crit rage 1 and some nice back stabs and evasion and a bit of fav enemy mixed in on some key mobs. he will have full use of resist and protect wands also cure seious, intimdate, openlock,umd, mid 50 ac with a shield for those rare times ill need one. rams might, maxed out rages, and sneak attack, spring attack, tempest and umd in the low 30's. reflex save in the low 30's and can burst boost that into the high 30's. Yes i like my toons to be versatile and self sufficent as much as possible with out giving up much on dps.

So...you witness 'first hand' a noob getting 'taken advantage' of? Was that noob you? Is that what's gotten you all butthurt? Think Roc had you pegged down pretty well if you ask me.

Do we have a large guild? Yes. Is everyone in our guild a superior player with all the uber loot? Of course not. However, in guild, we try to teach each other how to become better players, create better characters, complete quests faster and easier, and of course, we do a Ton of raids so that 'we' as a guild can get all of our toons the gear that we want.

p.s. we don't care about your toons build or your plans for it.

[gizmos199]

to the legion ppepes . thank you. i dont like argueing with ppl i can steal i mean learn a tecinqe or 2 from.
today i had an awsome day fishing and i keep thinking to my self I ROC AM UBER . I ROC AM UBER . i roc am not uber . the pepol i party with on a regulare basie they are the true uber . they are the ones who flip when i need a bard . They are the ones who r ready to kite in part 5 of the shroud with there casters if i asked . they are the ones who pay attetion to deatails . it is them who are ready to fill all the slots in my raid /runz .
i never stay solo long . Ever . i got peeps who like to hear me sing or *atleast acked like they do * . Its my peeps who deserve all the credit for all the gear i got . If i say i need i get in the mail 4x over . finde myself mispelling every ones name to send what i dont need back . All and all i am UBER cuz i am on the old xoriat the new thelanis , i have freinds in all guilds including infersux. I know many peeps .
I am roc and i am uber cuz my peeps make me uber . everyday . i just wanted to say thank you i know i have been greedy and selfish on this thred.
I am uber cuz my STORM LORDS lead raid . ever sl will lead a shroud even the casual one .
RIGHT now i feel like i am the most uberest player ever cuz you who suport me are right there .

why are you uber ?

[branmakmuffin]

notice a few people been doing this mostly from the same guil maybe the same person idk

I dont know maybe It's just me but i find these lfm very preditorial towards noobs as any vetran can solo these quests blind folded and pack full of soul stones.
This is so lame, there's not enough lameness from other sources in the multi-verse to equal it.

[Ssmooth]

Do I stand here corrected? No. Thought not. Your BS is see-through like glass man.

[ariel7]

I find this pretty sad. I have spent a lot of time running quests/loot runs that drop nice loot saved the chests and then let ANYONE come in, gratis. Whether getting 9chests in vale/orchard or soloing the vale quests, titan flags/dq flags/etc II could have opened my own chess. But I like to assist others. I think charging like that is exploitative. Rather than actually HELPING, you're a kind of plat farmer, charging for such easy quests. Half the gimpiest clerics in ddo can solo running with devils, yet you see LFMs saying give me your stone and sometimes more for coming along. Coal Chamber/Rainbow the fee is often the stone AND a twig.


Are you sure they were charging others to have entry into the quest? I interpreted it as they would be given the gold if they helped pull the mask. There are a few people on the Thelanis server who do solo quests and look for help pulling things. You could have misinterpreted the LFM.

FIRST I don't know you, so this is not a reference to YOU, only to some of those LFMs. I like to test those people sometimes. LFM hey come get ghoula fan, terms apply. I drop my guild, letting themknow I'll brb in guild. I click LFM with my level 7 cleric. If mask drops, its his. I am graciously allowed to keep end reward. and other loots though. NO compensation. I say I have to go, re-guild my cleric and log off. I log onto caped caster. Ask to join, ask what terms are. Answer, nearly letter for letter "Hey bro, I'm not sure if you are interested, but I'm trying to get some royal guard masks and raise rings out here. If you pull one I'll give you 200k plat for it"

STOP POSING! (Again, don't know you, Pheona and this isn't at you, but those ) but I think this is pretty slime-ball like behavior. LFM poster KNEW he couldn't pull that **** with a capped caster, who can rock a level 9 quest but is trying to milk a lowbie (unguilded, therefore powerless he thinks I suppose) for everything he possibly can.

I wish lfms had instant report abilities and that Turbine would go after this "soft"' plat-farming. I think at best its cheesy, at worst its exploitive and and at any rate its garbage. Need before greed is often said to mask greed. I just think predatory exploitation of newer players is really sad. You wonder why those people end up leaving? Fact is anyone with a capped character, especially a cleric or caster, can run all those quests. Seriously, between guilds charging mana pots to run with them for a day, and others (guilds and individuals) charging for easy quest completions, and so on, it's like some of you guys view everyone else as a not a gaming companion, not a fellow human being to help, but as a mark in a con game.

I deplore exploiting new players, I loathe those that a buse the people that have the least resources, experience and power to rectify the business. *** people, its a game, not a screwing someone over contest. Do you really feel so uber that you have to abuse another?

Need help getting royal guard masks? How about this LFM:

"Royal Guard Mask loot tuns, 2 mill gold if you pull!"' This is upfront, direct and honest. Or maybe "Needing stones for crafting, please help"

I really think that people appreciate kindness, that conduct like the above is dirtbag behavior. We all have opinions, some won't agree. I respect your opinion, but if you are doing this stuff, come on now you should treat people better.

[ariel7]

Not true. I recruited for the National Guard (same recruiting standards as USARMY) for 2 years and theres not many things that you cannot get a waver on (when it comes to putting a fella in boots), escpecially if they have a strong desire to serve their country. But thats neither here nor there. As far as the LFMs go, I do not agree with them at all but I am not going to tell others what they should think about the LFMs either. Just as I do not agree with the lifestyle of a dragqueen but I am not going to run a anti weirdo rally condeming their choices. Live and let live....

Sorry, you're quite mistaken. National Guard does not have the same recruiting standards as the Regular Army. You can get waivers much easier for National Guard, but anyone's service that ended in either a honorable discharge, medical discharge or death, imho, should be respected very highly. That being said, your service, and mine, are totally irrelevant here. Your point on this strikes me as odd though....you tell someone that they shouldn't express their opinion about something....when doing so is expressing your own. Granted, I read the first few posts, responded, and am now going backwards seeing them, so possibly it will be more substantial there, but...here...

[gizmos199]

theres moer to the debate . pls read the whole thread so you can make an accurate asumtion . thank you

[ariel7]

theres moer to the debate . pls read the whole thread so you can make an accurate asumtion . thank you

I'm only speaking of my own experiences and opinions. I don't really have a horse in the race, so to speak, about all the others, but my own experiences. I don't remember who had the LFM I referenced up, I just recall the situation.

I run raids mostly with my guild, rarely with pugs, but pug most quests while I'm leveling. I played awhile last year, took time off and have been going another some 4-5 months or so.I have TWO people on my dng list, I don't care about a lot of things, but the person who was willing to pay 2 mill gold to one character and nothing to another...that's not cool.

Finally, I'm' 4 pages in...but wanted to stop to respond so you'd know I was reading it all, and not beefing with anyone in particular.

[Delt]

Need help getting royal guard masks? How about this LFM:

"Royal Guard Mask loot tuns, 2 mill gold if you pull!"' This is upfront, direct and honest. Or maybe "Needing stones for crafting, please help"

I really think that people appreciate kindness, that conduct like the above is dirtbag behavior. We all have opinions, some won't agree. I respect your opinion, but if you are doing this stuff, come on now you should treat people better.

The one thing I hate in MMO's are crybabies that somehow want to impose their playstyle on others (not saying that's you btw, and this applies to more than just Loot/LFM).

Whether the cost/pay ratio is completion, stone, ingrediant, runes, essences, favor, 50 plat/1,000,000 plat, charity, whatever -- it's THEIR LFM and THEIR rules. Don't like it, don't join. Start up a competing LFM full of fairness, flowers and sunshine. I do that enough everytime I see an evasion build looking for clerics/casters only to carry them to an easy IR with no offer of payment.

Honestly, Aceita ****ing off that one person in Rainbow has officially negatively effected more people (ie: One) than this theoretical BS ever has or will. But you know what, it's HIS run and HIS LFM and that person can now choose to not click join.

/shrug

[gizmos199]

right on when we do discuse it lets keep it on the topic. i dont like the way it went down here .

[ariel7]

The one thing I hate in MMO's are crybabies that somehow want to impose their playstyle on others (not saying that's you btw, and this applies to more than just Loot/LFM).

Whether the cost/pay ratio is completion, stone, ingrediant, runes, essences, favor, 50 plat/1,000,000 plat, charity, whatever -- it's THEIR LFM and THEIR rules. Don't like it, don't join. Start up a competing LFM full of fairness, flowers and sunshine. I do that enough everytime I see an evasion build looking for clerics/casters only to carry them to an easy IR with no offer of payment.

Honestly, Aceita ****ing off that one person in Rainbow has officially negatively effected more people (ie: One) than this theoretical BS ever has or will. But you know what, it's HIS run and HIS LFM and that person can now choose to not click join.

/shrug

I get what you're saying and while I'm not trying to insist on everyone making an LFM like the one I exampled, I was just trying to show something better(IMHO). My dislike is mostly for my own situation that I specified with someone (I honestly can't recall who it was) who was TAKING the mask from a mid level cleric and paying a capped sorc 2 million gold for it, when both have the same work to do in the quest(none). I thought that was really uncool, and exploitative.





.....

you want my toons names here noob you can have them

Aceita, Acein, Aceir, Moshet, Citi bank, Helter, Delevel, Tuffman, Wandz, and Tanque

and anyone that has played with me knows i can solo 95% of the quest on elite in the game while carrying 5 gimpy storm lords on my coat tails!...


Sorry to parse..not really trying to get into all the other, but I did want to say that..

Ace solos most everything and lets me ride his coattails sometimes. When I don't know how to solo a quest efficiently, I frequently go to Ace. He's one of the best players in game, and his clerics are superior to most (IMHO). Maybe he annoys you, maybe he offends you, but his is skillful at what he does. I find duoing stuff with him to be fast, efficient and enjoyable. Not that he needs my endorsement, but apparently some haven't ran with him.


I'm jumping into this very late, but I have to say: the classy way to get help farming an item is to do multiple runs and say "help me get mine and I'll help you get yours."

I was in on a memorable series of icy raiment runs that DARPA put on.. so many toon switches! He ran that thing till his eyes must have been falling out, but everyone who wanted a raiment got one in the end.

This post got a reputation point!





Now, here is my final commenting afterreading 11 pages of mind-numbing mess. Lots of pussycats though...anyways:

WIZZLYBEAR offers to help people on Thelanis with quests/favor/etc. He's great at it, helps freely and if you are new, I hope you will seek out his runs for this type of thing.

I am not on board with the come in for everything but give me X unless its is an offer made to all persons you don't know joining the group. I also personally think asking for help is much better...but I'm not trying to get everyone to be like me...as Delt was saying, if I don't like it I can simply not join. I'm only saying, don't exploit the newbies...they are a vital part of the game and in a matter of weeks, they can be rockin' too!

OP: I get where you're coming from on charging for easy quests, and anyone disputing your ability in game is misinformed, but you sure do ruffle feathers. I like it, I think people defending their beliefs is awesome.

Bunker, I gave out too many reputation points so will add to yours in 24 hours. You have a gift for brevity that escapes me lol

Roc: I don't think your LFM is the one I describe in my own experience. If you were willing to pay anyone for the mask, it bothers me a lot less. I hope you see what bothered me in that one, and if it wasn't you, that you see the differences in situations.
That said I disagree that 90% of shroud tactics are yours (as in you created them), am skeptical of a 147 IQ (it is a remarkably high figure if correct, and would be skeptical of anyone claiming such a number, nothing personal) and appreciative if, indeed you served in the military.
I do think guilds becoming factions, or long-running feuds between people in an MMO (Nigel vs Legion, Capulets vs Montagues, whatever) are kind of...sad. I'm not going to refuse Storm Lords members entry into myraids/quests or anything, but you ruffle feathers too. I don't know what to say other than good luck and happy hunting.

Everyone else: Man...what a weird thread. What a lot pussycats.

[ariel7]

While I fully agree and support the concept of "how you play the game is however you want and unless I group with you it doesn't affect me at all" I have to say I find this a little off-putting.

Now for a guild run that's different - we have run a number of times through that **** offering of blood quest to get those gloves for various people in the guild. And I can't tell you how long AtD farmed GOP and the Skelly chests to get Tuned Up his icy rainments - but we were guildies and went into it together.

Grabbing others for the SOLE purpose of getting a shot at their end loot doesn't seem all that DDO friendly - that whole party mentality of working together kind of goes out the window at that point...

Doesn't it......?

SORRY! Forgot to add this was my fave post in here. Great guild, great teamwork for the icy run! Nicely put.

[gizmos199]

Roc: I don't think your LFM is the one I describe in my own experience. If you were willing to pay anyone for the mask, it bothers me a lot less. I hope you see what bothered me in that one, and if it wasn't you, that you see the differences in situations.
That said I disagree that 90% of shroud tactics are yours (as in you created them), am skeptical of a 147 IQ (it is a remarkably high figure if correct, and would be skeptical of anyone claiming such a number, nothing personal) and appreciative if, indeed you served in the military.
I do think guilds becoming factions, or long-running feuds between people in an MMO (Nigel vs Legion, Capulets vs Montagues, whatever) are kind of...sad. I'm not going to refuse Storm Lords members entry into myraids/quests or anything, but you ruffle feathers too. I don't know what to say other than good luck and happy hunting.

Everyone else: Man...what a weird thread. What a lot pussycats.

LFM thing ? i have nothing to do whith that . I never charged any one for a run .
90 % of shroud tactics beeing used are mine . yes i made that claim , the percentage is lower i could think of everything and get you an accuret figue . And all that right there was braging . know you guys got your way diffrent from the server . part 2 ,4, and 5 i claim most of them wheater you belive it or not .
i have an averge I.Q. of 147 is that high yes it is .is it gienus? almost .
there are so many test and they all are diffrent. of all the test i have taken i scored low in the ones that had to do with reading and of the chart in the mazes and puzzels . so lets say i took 10 test and 9 of them where puzzels , well my averge would be in my favor . have you ever taken one ?
now your opion is just that . an opion . try some facts . 1) its not against the rules to shaft someone . * i dont agree with this but i am useing it for a point * wheather you chose to except it or not charging some one for something is NOT againt the rulles . LIKE roc said you dont have to join .
those are the facts i brought to your guildy . when i didnt agree with him the guild sladering got wost . heres where i messed up . I droped to his level . He didnt bring anything to the table except his opion . witch was just that an opion .
so you idelize him that cool man he could be a good player . IDK . you said hes the best player in your guild thats cool . you think hes the best clric on the server thats an opion . you would have to put that though a few test for it to be a fact dont you think .
look man all trash aside . this thred was dead . you came here to defend you guildy . i dont blame you .but your guildy didnt bring and usefull info to this flame fest .in tern he got flamed . and so did I . But i had many valid points that can not be disregared just cus you have feeling of loyalty . *defend to the deth even if he is wrong *
no mater how you slice it . the simpel facts i keep tossing can not be disregarded .
lfm can say anything about a quest . as long as they arent Negetive . and you don't have to join
with that this thred shoud have died in page 5 .
in your last stament about ruffuling feathers . you seemed hipocritical . you give props to your boy and when it comes to me it seems as you are disapointed . ..........

[Purgatory]

90 % of shroud tactics beeing used are mine .

This is true i see people use his tactics all the time

1. join anouther guild/pug raid
2. Claim your laggying realy bad in part 1 go to first portal and stay there for rest of that part " i got loss of 30%"
3. Part 2 run to middle and pull all the named mobs rightoff the bat this speed the run up! or sit at the alter in part 1 tell part 2 is done.
4. part 3 stand by your door tell someone comes in and solves your puzzle for you then head to middle and wait in the water tell u can loot the chest.
5. Part 4 if on a clr, try and die as fast as you can if on melee put on fearsome so you can take more damage inside the blades while chasing the last feared devil for next 5 min. Use muck banes to beat on harry and try dps the orathons with throwing weapons
6. Part 5 same as 4.

[UnderwearModel]

90 % of shroud tactics beeing used are mine . yes i made that claim , the percentage is lowe i could think of everything and get you an accuret figue . Ans all that right there was braging . know you guys got your way diffrent from the server . part 2 ,4, and 5 i claim most of them wheater you belive it or not .
i have an averge I.Q. of 147 is that high yes it is .is it gienus? almost .
there are so many test and they all are diffrent of all the test i have taken i scored low in the ones that had to do with reading and of the chart in the mazes and puzzels . so lets say i took 10 test and 9 of them where puzzels , well my averge would be in my favor . have you ever taken one ?
now your opion is just that . an opion . try some facts . 1) its not against the rules to shaft someone . * i dont agree with this but i am useing it for a point * wheather you chose to except it or not charging some one for something is NOT againt the rulles . LIKE roc said you dont have to join .
those are the facts i brought to your guildy . when i didnt agree with him the guild sladering got wost . heres where i messed up . I droped to his level . He didnt bring anything to the table except his opion . witch was just that an opion .
so you idelize him that cool man he could be a good player . IDK . you said hes the best player in your guild thats cool . you think hes the best clric on the server thats an opion . you would have to put that though a few test for it to be a fact dont you think .
look man all trash aside . this thred was dead . you came here to defend you guildy . i dont blame you .but your guildy didnt bring and usefull info to this flame fest .in tern he got flamed . and so did I . But i had many valid points that can not be disregared just cus you have feeling of loyalty . *defend to the deth even if he is wrong *
no mater how you slice it . the simpel facts i keep tossing can not be disregarded .
lfm can say anything about a quest . as long as they arent Negetive . and you don't have to join
with that this thred shoud have died in page 5 .
in your last stament about ruffuling feathers . you seemed hipocritical . you give props to your boy and when it comes to me it seems as you are disapointed . ..........

I exercise my freedom of choice.

Maybe I should be imbibing alcohol to enhance my ability to comprehend the above post.

[Riorik]

Just don't join if you don't want to meet the expectations of the lfm...I usually skip the naked tempest runs, for instance. :D

Yeah, me too ever since my webcam died.

[Bunker]

90 % of shroud tactics beeing used are mine .

.........."Ok ok, you can charm your troll now. HURRY! CHARM THE TROLL! Now nobody attack Harry. Don't shoot him either..........Everyone run to the other side. Ok, back over to the other side.........":D:D:D:D:D

[silverraven]

This is true i see people use his tactics all the time

1. join anouther guild/pug raid
2. Claim your laggying realy bad in part 1 go to first portal and stay there for rest of that part " i got loss of 30%"
3. Part 2 run to middle and pull all the named mobs rightoff the bat this speed the run up! or sit at the alter in part 1 tell part 2 is done.
4. part 3 stand by your door tell someone comes in and solves your puzzle for you then head to middle and wait in the water tell u can loot the chest.
5. Part 4 if on a clr, try and die as fast as you can if on melee put on fearsome so you can take more damage inside the blades while chasing the last feared devil for next 5 min. Use muck banes to beat on harry and try dps the orathons with throwing weapons
6. Part 5 same as 4.

...your so smart and engaging. What would we ever do without your wit and charm. What is this over blown sense of your own uberness? Why is it you feel it necessary to beat a dead horse? I was into this flame fest at one point but it's just old and sad now. It went from a decent opinion of someones tactics into an all out attack at another guild. Are you just jealous that not everyone agrees with you? Maybe you weren't hugged enough when you were a kid, or maybe got turned down for the the role of Dorthy in the Wizard if Oz?

Even Legion has more class than you and they can at least prove they're the best at what they do...all you have is a guildy\fanboi\groupie who likes to ride in your pocket and toot your horn for you.

[gizmos199]

.........."Ok ok, you can charm your troll now. HURRY! CHARM THE TROLL! Now nobody attack Harry. Don't shoot him either..........Everyone run to the other side. Ok, back over to the other side.........":D:D:D:D:D

bunk who did . was it you ? bunk at one time we had a good time . we have a good amount of shrouds we completed together . why do i bring this up ? you let simpel opions cloud your judgement . you are actualy ready to stop playing with a group of ppl just cuz they dont agree with you .
would you like me to agree with you give me some facts bunk . give me something to change my mind .


how many shrouds have we done together? how many did i lead? when was that ?
i wount argue with purg he dosnt bring anything of value to the tabel so it would be a waste of time

[TEK]

This is true i see people use his tactics all the time

1. join anouther guild/pug raid
2. Claim your laggying realy bad in part 1 go to first portal and stay there for rest of that part " i got loss of 30%"
3. Part 2 run to middle and pull all the named mobs rightoff the bat this speed the run up! or sit at the alter in part 1 tell part 2 is done.
4. part 3 stand by your door tell someone comes in and solves your puzzle for you then head to middle and wait in the water tell u can loot the chest.
5. Part 4 if on a clr, try and die as fast as you can if on melee put on fearsome so you can take more damage inside the blades while chasing the last feared devil for next 5 min. Use muck banes to beat on harry and try dps the orathons with throwing weapons
6. Part 5 same as 4.



honestly arent you done fighting a ridiculous battle all by your lonesome.

You achieved nothing, are achieving nothing, and will continue to because:

1) its not against the rules
2) nobody really cares enough to make a big deal out of this when they could easily be crying over having to see a sexy succubus
3) all you're being right now is a jerk/joke (I know im laughing)


seriously let it go

[Purgatory]

...your so smart and engaging. What would we ever do without your wit and charm. What is this over blown sense of your own uberness? Why is it you feel it necessary to beat a dead horse? I was into this flame fest at one point but it's just old and sad now. It went from a decent opinion of someones tactics into an all out attack at another guild. Are you just jealous that not everyone agrees with you? Maybe you weren't hugged enough when you were a kid, or maybe got turned down for the the role of Dorthy in the Wizard if Oz?

Even Legion has more class than you and they can at least prove they're the best at what they do...all you have is a guildy\fanboi\groupie who likes to ride in your pocket and toot your horn for you.


I don't need to prove anything to you or made claims to being the best that ever was or has been. I play this game because i enjoy playing it, and I play it the way I enjoy playing it, if that means making you look like a simpleton in the process and that makes you jelouse well to fricken bad for you get over it. If I say I can do something im not bragging about it or looking for your aproval im just stating a fact don't care if your impressed with it or not. Obviously it makes you feel inferior and you are jelouse. I say oh well don't realy give a rats ass, To bad for you.

[Delt]

I like roc, he's a guildie...I don't like roc posting in this thread. Purgatory woulda been firmly entrenched as a crybaby, hypocrite and half-wit 5 pages ago without roc's posts.

I am ponying up 25 pots to Legion later today and instructing them to train Roc solely in the realm forum-warrioring and guild PR. Who do I speak to?

[Clay]

Yup. that is what Legion is known for...

good PR.

:rolleyes:

You sure you want Roc to open THAT particular Pandora's box?

;)

[Purgatory]

Want to know why these lfm have me iratated?

I been Soloing quests for years now opening up the lfm and letting people come in and loot free of charge. And to watch the same people charging noobs now for completion have been come in and looted there fair share of free chest when they were noobs and couldn't do it them selfs turn around and start charging noobs, now that they can solo the quest on there own. It's Shady, greedy, and inmorale and its a big slap in the face.

And it is obvious that im not the only one that feels that way!

[TEK]

And it is obvious that im not the only one that feels that way!

no it isnt otherwise you wouldnt have keep posting at 12 pages

[Purgatory]

no it isnt otherwise you wouldnt have keep posting at 12 pages
ya it is. Thats why its 12 pages long....

[Delt]

Yup. that is what Legion is known for...

good PR.

:rolleyes:

You sure you want Roc to open THAT particular Pandora's box?

;)

Pretty much. Feel free to deny it though :cool:

I need to know who to contact for training. Probably Mem, ya? A picture heavy course load seems to be the best method of success in a 24 hour time frame.

[gizmos199]

Want to know why these lfm have me iratated?

I been Soloing quests for years now opening up the lfm and letting people come in and loot free of charge. And to watch the same people charging noobs now for completion have been come in and looted there fair share of free chest when they were noobs and couldn't do it them selfs turn around and start charging noobs, now that they can solo the quest on there own. It's Shady, greedy, and inmorale and its a big slap in the face.

And it is obvious that im not the only one that feels that way!

purgatory you said it best here . it is greedy and i agree with you . i always have agreed with your opion on it . scrool back .
the point i was trying to make was its not agnist the rules . when i said that you lost your minde and personaly attcacked my guild .
there you said the truth i have respect for it . there is nothing you or i can do about these LFM,s that sell completion .eccept not join .
those LFMs are not shady they r upfrount about there intetions .

[gizmos199]

I like roc, he's a guildie...I don't like roc posting in this thread. Purgatory woulda been firmly entrenched as a crybaby, hypocrite and half-wit 5 pages ago without roc's posts.

I am ponying up 25 pots to Legion later today and instructing them to train Roc solely in the realm forum-warrioring and guild PR. Who do I speak to?

keep your pots delt . At first i thought it was fun calling pepol names on here and craking fun . it's not the same as in game . here's why .1) i cant spell so i can never truly express myself . 2) the stuff that is typed here will always remain here . Here is what that means . i joke with silver on a regular basis . he is a clown like me . we go at it alot . one time it got bad i loged for the night . The next day i wake up i am ready to party with my homie .
the things i type here remain here day after day . they remind me of hate day after day . why i hate said person . why i shouldn't party with said person . To be honest i am not like that . Yes true i am a jerk . but every day i try to start fresh . the forums dont let me do that . i am reminded of why i dont like said peson .
imo i dont like this feeling constant hate cuz we have a diffrece of opion . thats why i canged the way i posted in these threds .

[Delt]

keep your pots delt . At first i thought it was fun calling pepol names on here and craking fun . it's not the same as in game . here's why .1) i cant spell so i can never truly express myself . 2) the stuff that is typed here will always remain here . Here is what that means . i joke with silver on a regular basis . he is a clown like me . we go at it alot . one time it got bad i loged for the night . The next day i wake up i am ready to party with my homie .
the things i type here remain here day after day . they remind me of hate day after day . why i hate said person . why i shouldn't party with said person . To be honest i am not like that . Yes true i am a jerk . but every day i try to start fresh . the forums dont let me do that . i am reminded of why i dont like said peson .
imo i dont like this feeling constant hate cuz we have a diffrece of opion . thats why i canged the way i posted in these threds .

Translation: He's gonna yell, sing and berate me later in party via voice until I cry or squelch him :D

Go to your movie roc - the pots are still up. The forums are for cheapshots, drama and one-uping, not intelligent discourse.

[gizmos199]

Translation: He's gonna yell, sing and berate me later in party via voice until I cry or squelch him :D

Go to your movie roc - the pots are still up. The forums are for cheapshots, drama and one-uping, not intelligent discourse.

lol you got me pegged .. you will pay . in game delt you will pay .... i think we will have disco night

[Purgatory]

purgatory you said it best here . it is greedy and i agree with you . i always have agreed with your opion on it . scrool back .
the point i was trying to make was its not agnist the rules . when i said that you lost your minde and personaly attcacked my guild .
there you said the truth i have respect for it . there is nothing you or i can do about these LFM,s that sell completion .eccept not join .
those LFMs are not shady they r upfrount about there intetions .


Well like i said before i didn't start off attacking your guild in the OP or even hinted to who or witch guild it was or offer to pm the names. The attacks in latter post were in retaliation on the attacks of my credability

And yes there is something i/we can do about it. I can do what my OP stated and deny or charge the players of the guild that these guys belong to, like it or not they are representing there guild when they do this. (it just happens to be yours) and a lot of your guildies do come on my hosted groups and get easy fast free completions/flagging/loot and endrewards and all they have to do is show up and maybe flw a few simple request/insturctions if truely needed but usualy just showing up is all that is needed on most quests (a few quests i do expect a bit of contribution). Since they are never realy needed to begin with denying them will never change the out come of my quests. Forcing them to ask there guilds that are charging noobs, after soloing a quest, to stop charging noobs and help them with what they need or ask them to stop charging noobs so they don't get denyd from others people groups. And it seem to have worked, havent seen these lfm up since this thread has been started. I still did let ur guildies come and loot this week anyways, well most of them,that requested to join. Guess I don't like denying people there loot and doing so I actualy found a diamond in the ruff and found a new guildy to raid with.

And yes you are right. It's not against the rules, true enuf. But just because it is not a rule or law doesn't make it right or stop me from posting my feeling on the matter.

[silverraven]

lol you got me pegged .. you will pay . in game delt you will pay .... i think we will have disco night

Just so no one will get feel left out I posted the lyrics so you can follow along when the music starts pumping....w00t w00t and raise the roof!!:cool:

Disco Inferno by The Trammps

Burn baby burn! Burn baby burn! Burn baby burn! Burn baby burn!
Burnin'!

To mass fires, yes! One hundred stories high
People gettin' loose y’all gettin' down on the roof - Do you hear?
(the folks are flaming) Folks were screamin' - out of control
It was so entertainin' - when the boogie started to explode
I heard somebody say

Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! - Burn that mama down
Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! - Burn that mama down
Burnin'!

Satisfaction (uhu hu hu) came in the chain reaction
(burnin') I couldn't get enough, (till I had to self-destroy) so I had to
self destruct, (uhu hu hu)
The heat was on (burnin’), rising to the top, huh!
Everybody's goin' strong (uhu hu hu)
And that is when my spark got hot
I heard somebody say

Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! - Burn that mama down, yoh!
Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! - Burn that mama down
Burnin'!

Up above my head I hear music in the air - I hear music!
That makes me know there's (somebody) a party somewhere

Satisfaction came in a chain reaction - Do you hear?
I couldn't get enough, so I had to self destruct,
The heat was on, rising to the top
Everybody's goin' strong
That is when my spark got hot
I heard somebody say

Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno! (Aah yeah!)
Burn baby burn! - Burn that mama down
Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno, yeah!
Burn baby burn! - Burn that mama down
Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno! (Aah yeah!)
Burn baby burn! - Burn that mama down
Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno, yeah!
Burn baby burn! - Burn that mama down
Burnin’!

I just can't stop
When(till) my spark gets hot
Just can't stop
When my spark gets hot

Burning, burning, burning, burning...

[Ssmooth]

Well like i said before i didn't start off attacking your guild in the OP or even hinted to who or witch guild it was or offer to pm the names. The attacks in latter post were in retaliation on the attacks of my credability

And yes there is something i/we can do about it. I can do what my OP stated and deny or charge the players of the guild that these guys belong to, like it or not they are representing there guild when they do this. (it just happens to be yours) and a lot of your guildies do come on my hosted groups and get easy fast free completions/flagging/loot and endrewards and all they have to do is show up and maybe flw a few simple request/insturctions if truely needed but usualy just showing up is all that is needed on most quests (a few quests i do expect a bit of contribution). Since they are never realy needed to begin with denying them will never change the out come of my quests. Forcing them to ask there guilds that are charging noobs, after soloing a quest, to stop charging noobs and help them with what they need or ask them to stop charging noobs so they don't get denyd from others people groups. And it seem to have worked, havent seen these lfm up since this thread has been started. I still did let ur guildies come and loot this week anyways, well most of them,that requested to join. Guess I don't like denying people there loot and doing so I actualy found a diamond in the ruff and found a new guildy to raid with.

And yes you are right. It's not against the rules, true enuf. But just because it is not a rule or law doesn't make it right or stop me from posting my feeling on the matter.

Hate to point this out, but your very 1st post on this thread started with you bashing SL. I know for a fact that I personally have 'never' been on one of your easy completion quests. You have 'never' carried me or anyone I have been in a group with, while grouped with you, where you have carried us through any quest. I'm not saying your not a good player, as I believe you are a good player, but for you to say you didn't start the bashing is complete and total BS.

Your 1st post started it and it only gets worse from there. You speak of our guild, which IMO is full of very competent players, as if we're a giant stock-pile of noobs. That's great that you help people get easy completions in quests, but should everyone who plays this game play like you do? Should everyone be required to have the same values? Should SL judge your 'entire' guild based off of your posts here on the forums? That's exactly what you are doing to us. Judging all of us by the actions of 1 or 2 people in our guild.

I've grouped with some of your guildies in the last couple of days and have no problem grouping with them. But even as of last night, you were posting lfm's bashing SL just to be a jerk. But I can tell you we're not going to judge YOUR entire based on your posts here.

[silverraven]

I don't need to prove anything to you or made claims to being the best that ever was or has been. I play this game because i enjoy playing it, and I play it the way I enjoy playing it, if that means making you look like a simpleton in the process and that makes you jealous well to fricken bad for you get over it. If I say I can do something im not bragging about it or looking for your approval im just stating a fact don't care if your impressed with it or not. Obviously it makes you feel inferior and you are jealous. I say oh well don't realy give a rats ass, To bad for you.

You claim to drag SL through quests, which is a complete fabrication. Making me look simple...I can do enough that on my own. Jealous, no...I don't care if someone has better loot than me or has an AC of 80. I make characters that only I like playing (just ask anybody in SL about my feelings on Constitution ;))

You make bold claims of me being "impressed" or "jealous", I have neither stated that nor have I intimated it. Inferior to you? lol Wow...did you look that word up? You might have mixed it up with "inferiority complex" which is thought to drive afflicted individuals to overcompensate. Something you have obviously done in your wild LFM's and internet postings.

[Purgatory]

Hate to point this out, but your very 1st post on this thread started with you bashing SL. I know for a fact that I personally have 'never' been on one of your easy completion quests. You have 'never' carried me or anyone I have been in a group with, while grouped with you, where you have carried us through any quest. I'm not saying your not a good player, as I believe you are a good player, but for you to say you didn't start the bashing is complete and total BS.

Your 1st post started it and it only gets worse from there. You speak of our guild, which IMO is full of very competent players, as if we're a giant stock-pile of noobs. That's great that you help people get easy completions in quests, but should everyone who plays this game play like you do? Should everyone be required to have the same values? Should SL judge your 'entire' guild based off of your posts here on the forums? That's exactly what you are doing to us. Judging all of us by the actions of 1 or 2 people in our guild.

I've grouped with some of your guildies in the last couple of days and have no problem grouping with them. But even as of last night, you were posting lfm's bashing SL just to be a jerk. But I can tell you we're not going to judge YOUR entire based on your posts here.

There was no bashing of SL in the op I think you need to reread it again.

And the lfm i posted were funy as hell lol

plus i was only reacting to the one posted by roc about not leaving people behind in the dark

What was it that i posted? oh ya

for rainbow

SL Lost in the dark since mod 6 - now that **** is funny

For the hound

SL Screwing the pooch since mod 6 - This one got me about 100 tells that all siad LOL/ROFL/ OMG to funy or something along those lines.

oh well w/e

[Bunker]

bunk who did . was it you ? bunk at one time we had a good time . we have a good amount of shrouds we completed together . why do i bring this up ? you let simpel opions cloud your judgement . you are actualy ready to stop playing with a group of ppl just cuz they dont agree with you .
would you like me to agree with you give me some facts bunk . give me something to change my mind .


how many shrouds have we done together? how many did i lead? when was that ?
i wount argue with purg he dosnt bring anything of value to the tabel so it would be a waste of time

Oops, my bad. Is this thread suppoe to be a serious one? Jokes are jokes roc. Have a Coke and a Smile and chillax bud.

[silverraven]

Oops, my bad. Is this thread suppoe to be a serious one? Jokes are jokes roc. Have a Coke and a Smile and chillax bud.

Some have taken it more seriously than others...:D

[ariel7]

LFM thing ? i have nothing to do whith that . I never charged any one for a run .
90 % of shroud tactics beeing used are mine . yes i made that claim , the percentage is lower i could think of everything and get you an accuret figue . And all that right there was braging . know you guys got your way diffrent from the server . part 2 ,4, and 5 i claim most of them wheater you belive it or not .
i have an averge I.Q. of 147 is that high yes it is .is it gienus? almost .
there are so many test and they all are diffrent. of all the test i have taken i scored low in the ones that had to do with reading and of the chart in the mazes and puzzels . so lets say i took 10 test and 9 of them where puzzels , well my averge would be in my favor . have you ever taken one ?
now your opion is just that . an opion . try some facts . 1) its not against the rules to shaft someone . * i dont agree with this but i am useing it for a point * wheather you chose to except it or not charging some one for something is NOT againt the rulles . LIKE roc said you dont have to join .
those are the facts i brought to your guildy . when i didnt agree with him the guild sladering got wost . heres where i messed up . I droped to his level . He didnt bring anything to the table except his opion . witch was just that an opion .
so you idelize him that cool man he could be a good player . IDK . you said hes the best player in your guild thats cool . you think hes the best clric on the server thats an opion . you would have to put that though a few test for it to be a fact dont you think .
look man all trash aside . this thred was dead . you came here to defend you guildy . i dont blame you .but your guildy didnt bring and usefull info to this flame fest .in tern he got flamed . and so did I . But i had many valid points that can not be disregared just cus you have feeling of loyalty . *defend to the deth even if he is wrong *
no mater how you slice it . the simpel facts i keep tossing can not be disregarded .
lfm can say anything about a quest . as long as they arent Negetive . and you don't have to join
with that this thred shoud have died in page 5 .
in your last stament about ruffuling feathers . you seemed hipocritical . you give props to your boy and when it comes to me it seems as you are disapointed . ..........

If you weren't the one I was discussing, then what I was against has nothing to do with you.

Ace doesn't need me to defend him, and my intention was to add my experience in what I consider unfair, and new-age plat-farming practices, again, if not you, then it has nothing to do with you.

I don't think any player could claim 90% of tactics in the Shroud being theirs.

Yes, I've had my IQ tested, and I find some inconsistencies with the figure you list. 147 is generally accepted as genius, usually anything over 140 is considered genius (some begin this levle at 142 or 145). At approximately an IQ 134, depending upon the reference material being cited, one enters the top 1% of the world's population. Several sources list ~145 to be in the top 1/5 of 1%. Basically means we have to pass by 500 people to meet someone else with an equal or higher IQ. You may well have that number. I would say that for someone to have taken so many IQ tests and to score IN the genius range and then say it was almost genius is...peculiar. I used to be an employee for my local school district, and my duties were the administration of state-wide exams and IQ tests, and as persons aged, their numbers would drop, as is to be expected. I would 100% believe that 147 was an accurate score from middle-school or earlier. I'm not knocking you, or disputing you have intelligence, or above-average intelligence. I'm just very skeptical of some random person in adulthood scoring above 140 on a legitimate (ie not a facebook quiz) IQ test, since, having administered them to several adults in the education system I can recall having seen three or four scores above 125. If your IQ test was taken online, I withdraw my skepticism over your score, and am just skeptical of the test.

Roc, you're a good guy, many people hold you in esteem, don't make this a me against you thing, for I'm not for or against you. I think you've made a couple of outlandish claims in having pioneered 90% of shroud tactics that are being used and having a 147 IQ, but I ahve nothing against you and if the LFM practice (giving un-guilded mid-levels NOTHING for the rare loot that might drop while paying someone you know you can't exploit a fair price) then very, very little of what I've said at all applies to you in any way.

I DO think he's one of the best clerics I've ever ran with. I didn't say he's the best player in my guild. I think there are several very good players in my guild, but the person that I think is the best player in the game isn't even in my guild, or my server. The best player, imho on Thelanis is not in my guild. I DO NOT have much experience running with you, only one raid, we won, no deaths, so I have nothing to complain about. I wasn't on here claiming you weren't good at running quests, or raids. I'm not here to defend Ace, he's a big boy, and...

I don't think it is possible to win an internet forum flame war...I mean what does the winner get? Sounding less silly than the other loser? Don't get me wrong, I fully believe defending a perosn's given position, but when it gets into he said she said you're a bozo no you're a bozo...time to just discuss other things, or move on...what's the end-game there? a Bunch of people with hurt feelings acting the girl scout troop that got second place in the big cookie sale contest? Nothing good can come from an internet flame war

I'm not here to sound disappointed in you, either. I came to describe my own situation, which has not been responded to in any way. Only things I recall having said that weren't neutral or positive about you was that the IQ figure you listed was cause for skepticism (I'm a skeptic, I don't believe anyone) and that your figure of creating 90% of shroud tactics was boa****l and and not accurate. I'm not here flaming you, not here to defend Ace, I'm here foolishly hoping that someone will opine about the subject that I described, possibly relate if they have had that same experience and hope that for all the kitty cat pictures and rah rah back and forth there will be some thoughtful discussion over:

hey, a person's loot is theirs to choose, if they are willing to give up something rare for a completion/other loots, whatever, is that to be frowned upon? Is there a distinction between high level areas/mid level areas? (As OP was starting it out, I think)

And, my own experience..is the practice of having a farming type quest being soloed, and offering free chances to A. Earn nothing but possibly flagging/weak loot if you are a mid-level un-guilded player or B. a chance to make a nice amount of plat if you are "protected" by being high-level and/or guilded becoming more common? Does anyone condone my example?

I don't care if Roc and Ace fly to Vermont and have a lavish wedding. I don't have time to attend my cousin's wedding, so I'd still not attend that one. I'd send a gift, but not attend. I don't care if Roc and Ace PVP for days on end, with each round deciding who gets whatever loot...I'm curious about the subject at hand.

LOL you know...I gotta admit, I feel sorry for the Devs, who must get pmed with petty **** all the time.

This kind of reminds me of...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Rop4Zt-S0

This is funny, but I recommitted to not palying pnp after watching LMAO

[Ssmooth]

notice a few people been doing this mostly from the same guil maybe the same person idk

But they go in solo fairly easy quests then toss up a lfm and charge noobs for completions on theses quests

Some these quests are

Monistary
some the vale quest

and today titan flaggin quests.

Usualy the price for completions seems to be runes, rarer vale ingredents, or named items if pulled.

I dont know maybe It's just me but i find these lfm very preditorial towards noobs as any vetran can solo these quests blind folded and pack full of soul stones.

I think im going to start charging this guild and there members a fee for grouping with me as i can't even begin to count the many many times i have carried there members threw quests and raids or have used way to many resourses getting them threw it with out even a simple ty from most of them to now see them start charging people for completion of quests that are just to easy to do and it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that i would like to spit out.

Maybe it is you that needs to reread your own post. As for the lfm's, eh, w/e.

[Delt]

For the hound

SL Screwing the pooch since mod 6 - This one got me about 100 tells that all siad LOL/ROFL/ OMG to funy or something along those lines.

oh well w/e

100? There were barely 100 people on last night at the time -- I should know, it was ridiculously slow and I counted the /who panel. Hell, the only /tell you probably got was from me telling you to reword it to a funnier bash, lol.

[silverraven]

This kind of reminds me of...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Rop4Zt-S0


I'm more of a fan of...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FpI8IoHOOo

[Purgatory]

[/U]

Maybe it is you that needs to reread your own post. As for the lfm's, eh, w/e.

Nope still dont see any guild named or any person named in there... try again

[Purgatory]

100? There were barely 100 people on last night at the time -- I should know, it was ridiculously slow and I counted the /who panel. Hell, the only /tell you probably got was from me telling you to reword it to a funnier bash, lol.


100 is a figure of speech.... represents a larger number then i was willing to count as there was a lot of tells. Was it close to 100? im prety sure a 5 year old can tell you the awnser to that one. but It did stick the funy bone a several people that seen it. And ya yours was funny too.

[ariel7]

I'm more of a fan of...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FpI8IoHOOo

LMAO OMG Love it!!!

[Ssmooth]

Nope still dont see any guild named or any person named in there... try again

Ok, I think that by page 13 people just may know which guild you are bashing here. Uh, yeah. No need for me to try anything.

[Ssmooth]

This kind of reminds me of...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Rop4Zt-S0

This is funny, but I recommitted to not palying pnp after watching LMAO

Dude, I've heard about this, but nothing compares to actually watching it. Omg, that's hillarious.

p.s. I did enjoy reading your posts, they were well-thought out and I pretty much agree with everything you posted. :)

[Purgatory]

Ok, I think that by page 13 people just may know which guild you are bashing here. Uh, yeah. No need for me to try anything.

Sry mate my crsytal ball was being polished at the time I was making the op and didn't get the chance to look into the next 13 pages of the thread before I posted. But The op is still factual and true.If the trueth hurts, so be it. If it make you feel any better not every pile on has the same guild tag.

[gizmos199]

i thought genus was 160 + . mmm
so let me give this a crack. You came here after all the **** that was going on yester day with the LFMs . You are still defending aceie even though you say no . i have mad some big claims yes i have . oh they are realy big . why do they upset you . Do they upset you or are you useing them as an indirect way to flame? now i am a skeptic . i see flaws in your claims .
this was not about me and you . nore dose it have to be ."if it dosent have to do with you then verry littel aplieys to you " moer or less that implies that i am the one you r talking about . you didnt say it one time you said it 2 times . so what are you implying .
i calim shroud tactics yes i do . 90% thats wrong i said that to be spitefull so 5 parts 20%per part i calim 3 parts thats 60 . i switched to one that i got from dr sin in part 5 so 55% i got one from ledion part 4 50 % .. so you r correct its alot less . and still could be less if i do the math. but when i said it it was to defend my self .
ok i might have cosen a poor approch and it makes you mad . but like lars says "roc its common sence sooner or later some one was going to think of it " dont be mad cuz i thought of it first .
now reread my 1st post . did i in any way make it about you and i ? no i did not . didi insult you in any way ? i dont see it . so how did you come to these cunclutions ?
i gave you one overall imporant fact . that has to do with this thred you baerly touche apon it . insted you give us your opion on flame wars and such . you dont like flaming ok i dont either . So pls dont make it one

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Look, I hear ya about the crystal ball. You didn't post guild names or toon names, I guess I get a bit defensive about my guild. I'm proud of my guild(most of the time, cuz we can be a**es sometimes). If you have done the things you say you did in your first post, then fine. Whatever. I know that I wasn't there, so I can't verify. I do highly doubt that you grouped with 5 SL(regular quest), or 80% SL in a raid and had to either carry them through a quest, or use obscene amounts of resourses to complete a quest with no return on your investment. You may have had 1-2 in a quest or raid, but not the situations I described, and if I'm wrong about you not getting reimbursed after a rough raid, that is unfortunate. I always try to give to clerics if they have to use a lot of resourses, and yes, even pug clerics.