DDO: Eberron Unlimited

[Fernando]

Hi Everyone!

Today is a big day for DDO! You have been waiting a long time for news of what we’ve been doing and wondering when M9 would be released. Well as of today, the business guys have finished doing their business things and finally we can chat with you about all of our big plans for your favorite MMO. Thank you for your patience and for sticking with us!

With today’s announcement of Dungeons & Dragons Online: Eberron Unlimited, we start on the path to a big relaunch push which will bring a flood of new players into our community. Now it will be easier than ever to get all of your friends to play DDO with you. Even that cheap-o guy and your other friend who says she’s already paying a subscription for some other MMO.

But first, we have some important business to attend to with our Beta. This is a big update and we are going to make sure things are working well. The big new hotness today is the introduction of the DDO Store! The DDO Store represents a ton of new technology and features for our game service and is the foundation for offering our players new options on how they play and pay for the game. We need your help to test it, and we encourage you to hop onto Lamannia to check it out today!

But what you see on Lamannia today is not all there is to DDO Unlimited! In addition to everything in the update formerly known as “Mod 9,” which you may have seen in our last preview, we will soon be releasing a whole lot more to our Beta players. Like what? Well, in broad terms we’ve added more of what you’ve told us you want! We’ve been listening to your feedback and we’ve made an effort to address the top issues and requests.

Our next Beta update will include a new class, additional quests for both low and high level players, improvements to our challenge scaling system, options to let players configure the UI and we have fixed the lag! OK, so I can’t promise that the Lag Monster is dead for good, but we have made some huge optimizations and changes which will make him not come around nearly as often and make sure we have room for many more players on our servers. We will be sharing more details and engaging the community in specific discussions on all of these improvements in the next few weeks of the beta. Sign up today to stay on top of the latest and greatest!

Thanks again for being a part of the DDO community and helping us make the most kick-ass MMO on the planet! We look forward to a bright new future with DDO Unlimited and we hope you will enjoy the ride!

-Fernando.

[Kraak]

7-9 month slip of content for....what?....I'm not exactly sure.

Edit: In all seriousness. If you're telling us late summer, based on your history this does not look good at all. Please provide a date that you can stick to (i.e. +/- 1 month).

[Hafeal]

I guess this would cement the move to micro-transactions as we have long speculated here on the forums.

Gutsy and risky ...

[Hafeal]

Here's my question Fernando -

Will there also be any change to the subscription pay models? Thanks for your anticipated response.

[Borror0]

Can we have more details about the eStore?

Is there more on Lamannia than what we say before? I assume that any progress made on Lamannia will be lost once Unlimited hits the live server, correct?

[Shadow_Flayer]

Thanks for the update Fernando. I'm looking forward to reading more about what Eberron Unlimited is going to be all about.

[Hafeal]

I second this request. Especially for those of us who do not have Lammania loaded.


Can we have more details about the eStore?

Is there more on Lamannia than what we say before? I assume that any progress made on Lamannia will be lost once Unlimited hits the live server, correct?

[smatt]

As I said... It's all great we get to Beta for the "Soon" stuff... This does nothing for the all the bull we were given since the end of last year and the update that was promised months ago..... New players "Soon" great, New content "Soon" great.... New way for Turbine to bill great....

But.......

[brlftz]

holy cow! i'm blown away by the magnitude of what's going on today. CONGRATULATIONS on a big, big day.

[CSFurious]

i saw that VIP's get priority in the queue

i can only assume that you are either merging some servers or that non-VIP's will have to wait to log on during peak times

any guidance from devs would be much appreciated

thanks

[DelScorcho]

As I had indicated in another thread, my biggest expectation with today's announcement was that we would have a firm release date and a reason for the delay. The above announced change, while interesting, isn't really responsive to any of my concerns. If possible, I would ask if the OP could comment on these issues, as well as explaining how the changed model will prevent these delays in the future.

[Thanimal]

So, did anyone notice that he said they fixed the lag!!??

Let's pray it's mostly true.

[Hafeal]

i saw that VIP's get priority in the queue

i can only assume that you are either merging some servers or that non-VIP's will have to wait to log on during peak times

any guidance from devs would be much appreciated

thanks

Or will there just be dedicated servers to paying players?

[Montrose]

Can we get a tentative timeline on when the beta invites will go out? I'm very interested to check this out.

Also, i assume that with the beta invites you'll also send the instructions on downloading and isntalling lamania?

I've not previously done the beta server thing, but this change sounds very interesting, so I'm gonna toss it on my second computer and check it out. :)

[smatt]

Or will there just be dedicated servers to paying players?


The Lamania server will obviously be the Beta server.... No changes to live servers....

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

But why not release the quests you ALREADY HAVE CREATED? This is a bad idea Fernando...

I will add however, the marketing push, IS exciting news.

[valorik]

/hug turbine staff

[Gratch]

I'm happy for the store, the relaunch, the new class... but I don't see the WHY as to Mod9 being part of it other than some producer decision to keep it all together for a bigger launch spread of the DDO-Free.

Why was Mod9 wrapped into the rest of this? WHY?

[Hafeal]

I'm happy for the store, the relaunch, the new class... but I don't see the WHY as to Mod9 being part of it other than some producer decision to keep it all together for a bigger launch spread of the DDO-Free.

Why was Mod9 wrapped into the rest of this? WHY?

Business decision plain & simple - promoting new content in conjunction with going free is bound to generate more news and interest.


The Lamania server will obviously be the Beta server.... No changes to live servers....

I was leaning more toward after it all goes live ...

[BurnerD]

Like others I'm not crazy about waiting longer for the mod release, but WOW there are a lot of facets to this announcement...

The addition to the free play seems to be a great thing imo. This game is one where you really don't start understading it or enjoying it until mid levels. A time limited trial was not conducive to get players to stay.

The micro transactions will be interesting. I hope some visual customization features for our characters will be part of this.

A lot of effort went into this. I hope this relaunch includes more than a few articles on gaming sites.

I am guardedly optimistic :) This has the potential to live up to the hype of SS....

[Talon_Argenthawke]

Congrats... As a returning player, was very concerned over all the hulla-baloo in the forums for the last couple of weeks. I guess all the fuss wasn't really worth it... Looking forward to the preview and the changes... Sounds like a move in the right direction...

[EKKM]

Wow!

[Devastation]

2 questions:

1) when this goes live does it replace DDO?

2) when it goes live do we lose our Char's? and their gear?

[gharet]

2 questions:

1) when this goes live does it replace DDO?
2) when it goes live do we lose our Char's? and their gear?

DDO becomes DDO: Eberron Unlimited, but all of your characters and gear will continue business as usual :)

[WaltzInBlack]

The MOD 9 move seems obvious to me. Marketing can now put a shiney new product in the window with a 'complete' level cap as the genisis of a new era. If CAP20 was already live it would take some shine from unlimited.

[Ticcaf]

Mod 9 is part of this launch because Turbine is too cheap to do more work to make the launch real. They have stuff for mod 9 now, they can hold onto it and use it for the launch. That makes less work for them. And they fixed the lag... woo hoo, WHO CARES. Been waiting how long for that as subscribers so they fix it for the free people? Hmmm! And how do they know?

Anyway, this is the biggest disappointment from Turbine yet. Not really sure why anyone is excited about this besides the idea that we will be flooded with even more people who aren't paying for the game. Oh, and it is at our expense. The relaese says we will get to pay $14.99 now instead of our current rate. Just get ready for more and more cost hikes and equipment issues.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

DDO becomes DDO: Eberron Unlimited, but all of your characters and gear will continue business as usual :)

Does that mean there will be content production AFTER the release of DDO: Eberron Unlimited? Or is this a push to DDO-FREE aka no more content updates?

[gharet]

Does that mean there will be content production AFTER the release of DDO: Eberron Unlimited? Or is this a push to DDO-FREE aka no more content updates?

There will continue to be content updates to the game. Eberron Unlimited is a big change but it is not a stopping point for content by any means!

[Sauron]

Congratulations Turbine, this is defenitly big news and as a recently returned subscriber within the last year I'm looking forward to seeing what all the new additions are, and am excited for the change.

Not sure why some are questioning the mod 9 release etc... But it makes sense to me that everything is packaged together: After all a fresh relaunch specifying levels from 1 - 20 with added content and a new business model makes perfect sense. Pretty sure everything is tied together and mod 9 is a part of the new content, thus the inability to release it separately.

Regardless, this is interesting news; I've seen this game develop from the very beginning (although I never registered until last October on the forums) and I'm pleased to see all the advancements that have been implemented since the level cap was level 10 and look forward to seeing more later this summer.

Congrats.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

One other question. Will this marketing push focus on NEW SUBS or just recycling OLD SUBS? Is there a new advertising budget for tv/radio/internet/retail?

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

There will continue to be content updates to the game. Eberron Unlimited is a big change but it is not a stopping point for content by any means!

Excellent! Thank you for the expeditious reply. :)

[Durlok]

This is a big thing, Congrats Devs, Cheers to the best MMo :D

[Ticcaf]

So, did anyone else read the IGN article about the new DDO? It was quite informative. It had more information that I have read in any of the forums.

Oh, and on the right side of it, playing over and over, was a wonderful WoW advertisement. Hooray us, way to go IGN.

[ArkoHighStar]

Mod 9 is part of this launch because Turbine is too cheap to do more work to make the launch real. They have stuff for mod 9 now, they can hold onto it and use it for the launch. That makes less work for them. And they fixed the lag... woo hoo, WHO CARES. Been waiting how long for that as subscribers so they fix it for the free people? Hmmm! And how do they know?

Anyway, this is the biggest disappointment from Turbine yet. Not really sure why anyone is excited about this besides the idea that we will be flooded with even more people who aren't paying for the game. Oh, and it is at our expense. The relaese says we will get to pay $14.99 now instead of our current rate. Just get ready for more and more cost hikes and equipment issues.

reduced rates will stay

[Borror0]

So, did anyone else read the IGN article about the new DDO? It was quite informative.
It raises a new question though: is the VIP only for existing subscribers?

From what I had understood before, no. IGN's article, however, made me question that. I hope that my first impression was correct.

[Gordo]

What is the new class and why does that have to stay a secret?

Are the 12+ dungeons in addition to the 4 or so we saw on Lama or are they included in this number?

Thanks

[ArkoHighStar]

It raises a new question though: is the VIP only for existing subscribers?

From what I had understood before, no. IGN's article, however, made me question that. I hope that my first impression was correct.

no, I thknk that would be a mistake, the goal woudl be to get you on a vip membership as it is regular income, because nothing stops a vip from buying ddo points either, to max out the xp boosts, rez tokens etc that will now be common place

[smatt]

There will continue to be content updates to the game. Eberron Unlimited is a big change but it is not a stopping point for content by any means!


"Soon?" So really what the existing player base gets for "Hanging in there" is.. To "Pay" to be Beta testers? I mean really, all the promises of new content for all these months has now gone out the window?

[Hafeal]

It raises a new question though: is the VIP only for existing subscribers?

From what I had understood before, no. IGN's article, however, made me question that. I hope that my first impression was correct.

Not only that I read where you can purchase things from ANYWHERE in the game ... in quest ... and you can have a "full party of retainers." These would be quite game-altering concepts ...

[Tanka]

I haven't been on DDO in about a month.

I may not bother returning, now.

Pushing M9 back even further just to pump the Free To Play that most free players may never get to play (unless, of course, they pay out in microtransactions or subscribe)? Bad move, Turbine.

I'd be more concerned about current subscribers badmouthing the development cycle rather than pleasing players you may very well not see in the future.

[totmacher]

i knew the lag was cpu bound (or server bound) in this case. i'm willing to pay to remove lag but not bad network stack/game coding. that's kind of ridiculous

[Tolero]

...One other question. Will this marketing push focus on NEW SUBS or just recycling OLD SUBS?...

Both! We want to reach out to new and old players alike.

[Gratch]

Business decision plain & simple - promoting new content in conjunction with going free is bound to generate more news and interest.


A business decision to void all new content for what will be 9 months for current players? I guess their hope is that 10x what they currently have in players will join and hence who cares if the current 1x faces massive attrition #'s due to the delays. It also sounds like a decision that was reversed. I call shenanigans. They could have released Mod9 and still put into the bulletin:

-FREE
-New Class
-New Adventure Areas (so what if they didn't have the 5 from Mod9??? boohoo)
-Play characters up to level 20 (not like this changes if Mod9 was released beforehand)
-New Store
-Redone feat and skills (They've been redone over and over since release)
-FREE

FREE should have been Turbine's focus message. Instead they screwed all the current players for months and months of delay of 90% of what we care about: high level content and cap raise.

P.S: K... done ranting now. Stupid producers (cept Glin - he's cool). Gonna ditch the forums for a while.

[Tanka]

Both! We want to reach out to new and old players alike.
So instead of pleasing current subscribers with what they want now -- new content, level cap increase -- you all opted to hold out so that there was almost a full year between M8 and M9?

Sorry, I'm just not seeing the benefit there.

(I know it wasn't your call, Tolero, but this is just disappointing. I really hope you convey that to whoever came up with the idea.)

[Maxtrenth]

Good Afternoon Tolero,

My big question isn't about when or beta server status or any of that, it is will Ebberron Unlimited be 4th Edition? That will be the big "Will I stick around" answer for me.

Maxtrenth

PS: I hope that answer is NOT yes

[Devastation]

Wow the more info we get the better this sounds.... the IGN article was very informative.

Wow (no not the game).

\m/ >.< \m/

[04pugdog04]

Mod 9 is part of this launch because Turbine is too cheap to do more work to make the launch real. They have stuff for mod 9 now, they can hold onto it and use it for the launch. That makes less work for them. And they fixed the lag... woo hoo, WHO CARES. Been waiting how long for that as subscribers so they fix it for the free people? Hmmm! And how do they know?

Anyway, this is the biggest disappointment from Turbine yet. Not really sure why anyone is excited about this besides the idea that we will be flooded with even more people who aren't paying for the game. Oh, and it is at our expense. The relaese says we will get to pay $14.99 now instead of our current rate. Just get ready for more and more cost hikes and equipment issues.


If you read it correctly it says there are lower rates for subscription also the free people get limited access so before you shoot of make sure of the facts.

[GovtMule]

I'm likin' it!

[Raiderone]

I don't really like the wait for Mod9. But I understand packaging the whole deal for
a relaunching of the game.

If that helps to get many more players and improve the update turn around, then
it was a good move.

At least it wasn't a relaunch with current Mod9 and it's four quests plus raid.
So the relaunch will have a new class and extra quests (what maybe addition 8?).

I definitely want to know what the new class will be. No More Secrets DDO!

We've earned the right to KNOW. Will DDO bring back WDA?

[DragoonPenguin]

Thanks for the update Fernando. I'm looking forward to reading more about what Eberron Unlimited is going to be all about.

you are a turbine plant.

[Devastation]

ok Not finding any post on the new class....

Somebody spill whats the new class!

[Pallol_One-Eye]

I am a nay-sayer at the core, but this announcement has me intrigued. I'm not looking forward to no new content for the next 3 months give or take, but I will stick it out to see what DDO:EU actually holds.

I'll be excited to have shared banking/customizable toon options/see what the "Store" is all about....and of course 12 new quests and a new Class to play.

I'm not now nor have I ever been a fanboi, but I say /salute to Turbine on this one.:D

[Durlok]

I think this Announcement has a lot of unclear parts, and i was kind of hoping for mod 9 but, this could be better, as the devs are trying (as it seems) to improve the gaming experience, yeah yeah yeah, we have waited a year for info, but i would wait to see what this has to offer before dissing it...

[Thok]

Ok what is the new class? One of the annoucements says that Monk is the new class. I hope not. If you can't/won't tell us then tell us when we will find out! No more secrets Turbine.

[Missing_Minds]

So instead of pleasing current subscribers with what they want now -- new content, level cap increase -- you all opted to hold out so that there was almost a full year between M8 and M9?

Sorry, I'm just not seeing the benefit there.

(I know it wasn't your call, Tolero, but this is just disappointing. I really hope you convey that to whoever came up with the idea.)

That was a management/producer call, not dev call. We've been Paiz'd again.

[avatarblu]

If you have already grinded through and unlocked your 1750 32 pt build will there be something for you or is it going by the wayside when the new mod comes out in October?

[Rowanheal]

A momentous day.

My hand has already hovered over the cancel button over at Turbine a few times today. Between the red haze of anger and the blue sadness, I find myself struggling to rise to the challenge of Free to play, buy your xp, resurrection tokens, and the like.

DDO was a fabulous game. I enjoyed many fine hours discovering new ways to build a character, loot running for an item I thought I just had to have, and waiting for a party to figure out how to get past a wipe.

Microtransactions have been bullied about by Turbine for a while. Lord knows we've all read the articles.

Since the secret, or not so secret, is now out, we can all bask in the knowledge of a new landscape to explore.

This announcement has the potentiality to divide our community in two. I can already see the VIP only LFM's in my head, the whining of an 8 year old asking mommy for a new sword for his character, and the end of pugging as we have known it.

I hated the Xbox live "points" system. Perhaps it is the wave of the future?

While the game I loved is over, I am hoping many new players discover the joy of DnD in DDO unlimited.

I don't do any change well. I find this one has left me with a knot in my stomach as I wonder if I can continue to find the same joy in the New DDO.

Be careful what you wish for. We asked for more players and more marketing. They gave it to us.

See ya in Stormreach,

-R

PS I am wondering what the Quick Hit (http://www.xconomy.com/national/2009/05/29/will-quick-hit-score-big-behind-the-scenes-with-foxboroughs-newest-team/)team of ex Turbine employees is saying to themselves today? I want to be a fly on the wall.

[Tanka]

That was a management/producer call, not dev call. We've been Paiz'd again.
I added the note in parenthesis for that specific reason.

[totmacher]

good one row.. this could go both ways. we'll see how it turns out

[Raiderone]

Can we have more details about the eStore?

Is there more on Lamannia than what we say before? I assume that any progress made on Lamannia will be lost once Unlimited hits the live server, correct?


The producers emphasized that players can still obtain their adventuring kit within the game itself. In fact, there are some high-level items that simply aren't for sale in the store and will instead have to be earned through play.

Hopefully low level items too. No RAID items should be available! In my opinion.
Or specific NAMED LOOT!

Otherwise, A heck I don't need to run The Crucible for Daggertooth's Belt.
I'll just buy it in the eStore!

How will the Auction work now? Will it still be Plat?

[Vorn]

Can we use our turbine points to upgrade a beloved 28 point build to a 32 point build?

[lissa_981]

Tolero or whomever will answer,

Congrats on the big news. I'm happy, surprised, frustrated and disappointed all at once. I look forward to the upcoming (re-)launch and all the changes it will bring. But I can not believe how long it's been since we've had some new quests. I don't approve of the (as I see it) underhanded way you quietly let people re-sub to the game with the mistaken assuption that mod 9 (ie. more quests) was imminent. I would like to request that you guys release a couple of quests to keep current subscribers busy until DDO Unlimited begins...this, I think, would be recieved as a true "thank you for sticking with us" more than any other possible gift.

Thank you for your time and good luck with DDO Unlimited. I look forward to getting my beta key.

[Fernando]

I am a nay-sayer at the core, but this announcement has me intrigued. I'm not looking forward to no new content for the next 3 months give or take, but I will stick it out to see what DDO:EU actually holds.

Thanks to everyone for your patience waiting for the new content and features to hit live. I am as eager as any of you guys to take my Fighter/Ranger to Shavarath and to level 20!

I want to quickly address a few questions I am hearing a lot:
First, you will definitely keep your characters! If you are or have been a paying customer of DDO at any time, you will find all your characters waiting for you in DDO Unlimited.

Next, there will definitely be plenty of content coming after DDO Unlimited is live! After the new service is launched, you will see us return to a more regular schedule of service udates that occur every few months.

We have been playing some of the quests from the "Dreaming Dark" module which will come in Update 1 and they are really cool! You definitely won't have to wait too long post-launch to see those.

Again, thanks to all the folks voicing their support. We know a few questions are still out there and we will be sharing more info with you guys soon.

-Fernando.

[p0werslave]

Well....now isn't this just great....you're tellin me that all this gear/xp i've spent countless hours grinding for can now be obtained instantly by anybody with credit card....my stomache just turned

[Borror0]

Well....now isn't this just great....you're tellin me that all this gear/xp i've spent countless hours grinding for can now be obtained instantly by anybody with credit card....my stomache just turned
Read again, because that is not what was said.

[Durlok]

Well....now isn't this just great....you're tellin me that all this gear/xp i've spent countless hours grinding for can now be obtained instantly by anybody with credit card....my stomache just turned

As it seems the Xp is probably a +Something% Boost for however long, and your gear, you got it for free, you didn't have to pay...

[smatt]

Thanks to everyone for your patience waiting for the new content and features to hit live. I am as eager as any of you guys to take my Fighter/Ranger to Shavarath and to level 20!

I want to quickly address a few questions I am hearing a lot:
First, you will definitely keep your characters! If you are or have been a paying customer of DDO at any time, you will find all your characters waiting for you in DDO Unlimited.

Next, there will definitely be plenty of content coming after DDO Unlimited is live! After the new service is launched, you will see us return to a more regular schedule of service udates that occur every few months.

We have been playing some of the quests from the "Dreaming Dark" module which will come in Update 1 and they are really cool! You definitely won't have to wait too long post-launch to see those.

Again, thanks to all the folks voicing their support. We know a few questions are still out there and we will be sharing more info with you guys soon.

-Fernando.

Fernando, that's all great... Really it is..... But will you not address the fact that the current player base was mislead for the last 9 months. Promise after promise, which has basically been shown to be out right lies for the last 5 months? With this kind of track record how are people suppossed to believe that new content won't simply fall into the "Soon" catagory yet again?

No I guess you probably won't admit to it... Great game... VERY POOR form....

[totmacher]

i knew it.. fernando plays a class and guess which two classes get tier 3 (tempest 3, kensai 3) and i bet he has those two prcs!! conspiracy??

I THINK NOT

[kamimitsu]

After the new service is launched, you will see us return to a more regular schedule of service updates that occur every few months.
-Fernando.

I sincerely hope that you make good on this promise, not only for my own sake, but because I know that you will be held to it in a very strict and real sense. After the patience we have demonstrated (and continue to demonstrate), it will take very little in the way of not upholding this promise to make the VIP customer base completely disappear.

[Tolero]

...how are people suppossed to believe that new content won't simply fall into the "Soon" catagory yet again?....

Well for starters, having a store doesn't work very well if you don't have things in it to sell :) we're looking forward to bringing you all more adventures (among other things)

[Big-Dex]

I have been trying to sort through information since the site came back up. Questions and complaints are flying way to fast to process, but one thing that jump out at me FERNANDO is the fact that we are being asked to be patient for another indefinite period of time ("mid-summer") while we continue to pay to play live servers or press on into the beta test or both.

I understand the need for beta testing this system and hold a fairly high degree of optimism for what is to come once it goes live and beyond, but...

1) What about players who don't want to ruin their live experience by beta-testing? We are still left in the dark without any new content for this "indefinite period of time" ... after remaining faithfully "patient" for all of this time. I know it is choice not to beta test (one which I will have to reevaluate), but was their consideration given to this facet?

2) We have to pay to beta-test, if we choose that route? What would be better is if you suspend our sub fees if we beta test, until it goes live. That might make up for the fact that we are still waiting. This is not a complaint, so much as it is a suggestion. I know you are in business, but your long-time players who want to enjoy the game LIVE (not in beta) are getting hosed still.

Can you address these related issues? It would certainly make the transition easier for many.

Dex is still here and am withholding judgment for the short term. :cool:

[Coldin]

Well for starters, having a store doesn't work very well if you don't have things in it to sell :) we're looking forward to bringing you all more adventures (among other things)

Essentially mirroring how one can go out to the real store and buy an adventure for PnP.

[Tolero]

Essentially mirroring how one can go out to the real store and buy an adventure for PnP.

Yup exactly!

[Ganak]

Wow lots to comment on...

Antsy for the new content, but long term more players equals more content. 12 quests now with mod 9.

New class with mod 9? What could it be other than druid? Or Psionics class?

Nice getting IGN (big pub) to cover this. Grats!

I would pay $ to respec. Add this please!

[Coldin]

Yup exactly!

It's cool idea, I'll give you that. :)

I just really hope it works.

[Quanefel]

Well for starters, having a store doesn't work very well if you don't have things in it to sell :) we're looking forward to bringing you all more adventures (among other things)

And we were looking forward to more adventures from Mod 9, months ago. Now we get to wait even longer. I do not feel very excited by this at all.

[Tanka]

Essentially mirroring how one can go out to the real store and buy an adventure for PnP.
Except those have to be conceptualized, written, tested, re-written, re-tested, re-re-written, re-re-tested, error-checked, re-re-re-written, edited for clarity, edited for errors, re-checked one last time, sent to the printers, shipped from the printers, checked for printing errors, shipped to the stores and then sold.

In other words: it'll still take time. Whether that's 3 months or 6, nobody knows, because Turbine refuses to put down anything in writing anymore. They know we'll lambast them over missed deadlines.

[smatt]

Well for starters, having a store doesn't work very well if you don't have things in it to sell :) we're looking forward to bringing you all more adventures (among other things)


Tolero, I know you're just the messenger...... And I agree that peerhaps the changes to DDO will be a good thing.... But Turbine has screwed over the current player base... They promised what they KNEW they wern't delivering........:mad:

[Ranmaru2]

Well for starters, having a store doesn't work very well if you don't have things in it to sell :) we're looking forward to bringing you all more adventures (among other things)

This confuses me on the questions that were asked when the turn to the Turbine Download Manager was announced for DDO. How is this going to work for people who have the original DDO client and are VIPs? Are we going to have our clients working as is, where we load it up and it updates with all the new content as per usual or are we going to have to log on, click the store, click download and then wait as our clients update before being able to jump out into new content as it comes?

Also, Is there a timeline you could give us as to arrival of beta invites? say like - Most of the invites, if not all, will be distributed by thursday?

edit:
Tolero, I know you're just the messenger...... And I agree that peerhaps the changes to DDO will be a good thing.... But Turbine has screwed over the current player base... They promised what they KNEW they wern't delivering........:mad:

Well Smatt, for what it looks like, there have been measures taken, as it looks like Kate/Nereid is below Fernando now.

[The_Phenx]

Holding out microphone to Tolero.

I see that more than 12 quests have been added with lots of changes to skills etc...

Release notes?

Did we get the rest of the missing PRE's?

Greensteel deconstruction?

Whats the Class?

[smatt]

This confuses me on the questions that were asked when the turn to the Turbine Download Manager was announced for DDO. How is this going to work for people who have the original DDO client and are VIPs? Are we going to have our clients working as is, where we load it up and it updates with all the new content as per usual or are we going to have to log on, click the store, click download and then wait as our clients update before being able to jump out into new content as it comes?

Also, Is there a timeline you could give us as to arrival of beta invites? say like - Most of the invites, if not all, will be distributed by thursday?

edit:

Well Smatt, for what it looks like, there have been measures taken, as it looks like Kate/Nereid is below Fernando now.


No chnages here that's always been the case....

[Lorichie]

Holding out microphone to Tolero.

I see that more than 12 quests have been added with lots of changes to skills etc...

Release notes?

Did we get the rest of the missing PRE's?

Greensteel deconstruction?

Whats the Class?

I suspect we will find these out in the "beta". Those not in beta will probably not find out for a while. Tho i could be wrong.

R

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Questions. Interested in the advertising budget. Tolero or Fernando, can you announce that there WILL BE an actual budget to advertise with a focus to bring in new subscribers?

I must admit I'm surprised here. This new push and repackage is a GREAT idea IF you will spend money to bring in completely NEW subs.

Micro-transactions can be revolutionary, if done right. You'll cause an exodus if its done wrong. Any type of specific loot or respecing that gets purchased will be bad. Selling items essentially turns Turbine into the Organized Plat Farmers Market. Lets clarify this, shall we?

[Devastation]

ok New set of questions:

1) So lets say I get in beta, and I'm playing... I go to the eStore, and want to buy stuff... according to what I have read, I will have 500 "Credits" already, being a VIP, but I buy alot of stuff and blow thru that 500.... I want to buy more, so I whip out my CC.

When it goes live do I get what I just bought on Beta in live? Or did I just waste money?

2) What is the new class?

[Patience]

Questions. Interested in the advertising budget. Tolero or Fernando, can you announce that there WILL BE an actual budget to advertise with a focus to bring in new subscribers?

I'm neither Tolero nor Fernando, but I can confirm that there will indeed be a major media campaign to support the launch. :)

[Ranmaru2]

ok New set of questions:

1) So lets say I get in beta, and I'm playing... I go to the eStore, and want to buy stuff... according to what I have read, I will have 500 "Credits" already, being a VIP, but I buy alot of stuff and blow thru that 500.... I want to buy more, so I whip out my CC.

When it goes live do I get what I just bought on Beta in live? Or did I just waste money?

Tarrant answered this in a different thread. Any Points (I think from any source) used on the beta will transfer to live once live actually hits the servers.

[Patience]

ok New set of questions:

1) So lets say I get in beta, and I'm playing... I go to the eStore, and want to buy stuff... according to what I have read, I will have 500 "Credits" already, being a VIP, but I buy alot of stuff and blow thru that 500.... I want to buy more, so I whip out my CC.

When it goes live do I get what I just bought on Beta in live? Or did I just waste money?

2) What is the new class?

1) You can't keep what you purchase in Beta, but you'll be credited any purchased Turbine points when DDO Unlimited goes live.

2) Sorry, can't say yet. :(

[PhoenixFire31]

I'm neither Tolero nor Fernando, but I can confirm that there will indeed be a major media campaign to support the launch. :)

Will we see a booth at GenCon this year? Or at least SOMEONE from DDO there? If this is a push to get new players where better than the Con sponsored by WotC? I am begging you to not pass up the opportunity!

[Tanka]

2) Sorry, can't say yet. :(
You guys really know how to drag us over the coals.

[Ranmaru2]

Hey patience, how's the transfer from the client we have now to unlimited going to work? I asked to tolero, but I was wondering if you can address it or ask tolero to get over here :D


Well for starters, having a store doesn't work very well if you don't have things in it to sell we're looking forward to bringing you all more adventures (among other things)

^Regarding the store

This confuses me on the questions that were asked when the turn to the Turbine Download Manager was announced for DDO. How is this going to work for people who have the original DDO client and are VIPs? Are we going to have our clients working as is, where we load it up and it updates with all the new content as per usual or are we going to have to log on, click the store, click download and then wait as our clients update before being able to jump out into new content as it comes?

[Gorby]

Maybe this just needs some time to sink in with me for the whole package, but I see all of these easy button announcements as a kick in the face while we are already down. So many things I don't like about all of this. Nothing I am exited about.


A new DDO store, instantly accessible anywhere within the game itself, will sell equipment, new adventures, added character content (including the brand new monk class), hirelings and a host of other things.

brand new monk class?

[Ranmaru2]

brand new monk class?

No, this was answered already. Monk is already available to us with accounts, but will have to be bought by people with F2P accounts and the new class is something not yet on live servers.

[Tanka]

No, this was answered already. Monk is already available to us with accounts, but will have to be bought by people with F2P accounts and the new class is something not yet on live servers.
Which just means IGN didn't do very much fact checking.

Go figure.

[Godzbane]

1) So lets say I get in beta, and I'm playing... I go to the eStore, and want to buy stuff... according to what I have read, I will have 500 "Credits" already, being a VIP, but I buy alot of stuff and blow thru that 500.... I want to buy more, so I whip out my CC.

[QUOTE=Patience;2222962]1) You can't keep what you purchase in Beta, but you'll be credited the Turbine points when DDO Unlimited goes live.


Is 500 points going to be enough to get all the downloads? I will only use my points for the content upgrades not buying in the dungeons.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

I'm neither Tolero nor Fernando, but I can confirm that there will indeed be a major media campaign to support the launch. :)

Patience, that one fact ALONE will keep me a subscriber. Thank you Meghan! :)

[Quanefel]

You guys really know how to drag us over the coals.

Coals which we will probably have to purchase ourselves.

[woundweaver]

ok. i cancelled my account about 2 weeks ago. it is good till october, because i pay the anniversary package. i have tried to resume my account, but it wants to charge me more money per 6 month period. can i still get an invite to beta with my account pending cancellation??

[Devastation]

1) You can't keep what you purchase in Beta, but you'll be credited the Turbine points when DDO Unlimited goes live.

2) Sorry, can't say yet. :(

1, Ok.... 2, more secrets NO Say it's not so!

Thanks for the reply

[Ranmaru2]

Is 500 points going to be enough to get all the downloads? I will only use my points for the content upgrades not buying in the dungeons.

If you're a VIP you get all the content updates free, I'm just wondering HOW that happens...via the Turbine Download Manager *shudder* or through our already existent DDO clients?

[Durlok]

1, Ok.... 2, more secrets NO Say it's not so!

Thanks for the reply

At least you're only waiting till they release beta invites, or if you don't get the beta, until someone posts it after we all have the beta, which could be hours/minutes ^_^

[QuantumFX]

You guys really know how to drag us over the coals.

The first rule of Lamma mania 2.0 - Do not talk about Lamma Mania 2.0!

[Gratch]

I notice a total of ZERO news carryover of this announcement - or anything whatsoever to do with DDO on either Wizards.com or atari.com (North America).

You guys are paying way too much for the license from this pair.


Then again... maybe Atari will soon have competing D&D MMO's: http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/48118/Neverwinter-Nights-Online

Pretty obvious which is the step-child they could care less about.

[The_Family_Mordiff]

So, for Pick Up Groups I assume we will now have to list 800 different items that everyone is required to have purchased at some time before we allow them in group?

LFM- Running Waterworks. Class all. Level 2-5. please have purchased waterworks module, reptillian bane arrows and at least 4 pots. Send tell with number of store credits willing to donate to Cleric. Subscribers not allowed, too powerful.

Should we be looking forward to this? Just wondering as an advertising push with good content would have made me craploads happier than making this a game of "everyone is playing a different game depending on how much they are willing to spend per month". Of course none of this would matter if the game wasn't specifically designed for essentially balanced groups of equal level players.

Give me hope please?

[The_Phenx]

Couple VERY important questions. I would appreciate a respose too..

#1 Will there be anything available thru purchase that WILL NOT be available by just playing the game (for paying subscribers)

#2 I assume all items currently available for purchase for PLAT will still be available, and that the auction house will remain.

#3 I assume by stating that its a complete level cap raise to 20th.. that you guys have completed all classes PRE's?

TIA...

:cool:

[Missing_Minds]

I'm neither Tolero nor Fernando, but I can confirm that there will indeed be a major media campaign to support the launch. :)

And per Atari standard, will be dropped COMPLETELY 3 months later.

[Gratch]

And per Atari standard, will be dropped COMPLETELY 3 months later.

Atari hasn't supported this game with a single $ for 3 years. All marketing has been done by Turbine alone since about a week after release. Clarifying because your words hinted that Atari had previously repicked up the game in order to redrop it.

[Raiderone]

Patience, that one fact ALONE will keep me a subscriber. Thank you Meghan! :)

Darn it! I wanted your stuff.

[stewy1956]

will my bard get his haggle discount on items in the store :)

[Tolero]

The first wave of invites are going out! Ssssh!!! It's NDA time!

[Coldin]

*waits impatiently*

[ArkoHighStar]

The first wave of invites are going out! Ssssh!!! It's NDA time!

how many waves will there be, what does the qualifying part mean?

[The_Phenx]

GAH... Tolero did you guys fix the ability to have the beta AND regular DDO active on the same computer without blowing it up :)

And where is our release notes woman!!! :D

[The_Phenx]

Oh and since there is a NDA, AND its beta... how are we going to report findings to fine tune things?

[04pugdog04]

I got my invite entered the code got the email that says i did it right click link to beta forums but brings me here am i doing something wrong?

[smatt]

I got my invite entered the code got the email that says i did it right click link to beta forums but brings me here am i doing something wrong?


They don't have the new forum up yet....

Wait till you try to the "New" TDM............:rolleyes:

[Borror0]

I got my invite entered the code got the email that says i did it right click link to beta forums but brings me here am i doing something wrong?
You are not supposed to post that on the forums.

[Borror0]

Wait till you try to the "New" TDM............:rolleyes:
The TDM worked fine for me when I tried to update Lamannia this morning.

[Coldin]

Eep!

Just thought of something. What if founders got bugged for beta invites like they were for accessing these forums!?

Tolero, Tarrant, please, set aside my fears!!

[Gratch]

Define Marketing: "Taking a new module that's all about imposing limits and labelling it Unlimited."

*claps* to Marketroid.

[Ash2Dust]

What happens when we change from VIP to F2P? Do we retain the ability to use all of our characters on all of the servers? Or do we have to pick 2 on one server and the rest are deleted? What happens if servers are merged select our favorite 10 and delete the rest? What is the impact of going from VIP to F2P, then back to VIP?

I currently only occasionally play as its too expensive to pay each month, so the F2P model works for me. Too bad on purchasing modules, that will make alot of modules forgotten bastards as the have's will be stuck LFM because the havenot's will be dictating what most groups are running.

What is offsetting the cost of having free players besides hoping they do micro purchases? Spam? Pop-ups? Etc? And will VIP get to enjoy the added revenue stream features?

[Devastation]

ok I got my beta invite but can't click on any links in it :( Help!

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Darn it! I wanted your stuff.

Ha! you can have it........... for a price :D

[Damionic]

Ok..as far as I know..no key has floated my way..yet I still update my Lama server

[Damionic]

....You know...what i'd really like at this moment...is a Beta Key

And as ive not signed up to NDA yet. I can ask all I want!

When I Sign up to NDA..I'd be a good little troll :) :p

[Tolero]

Two things (because I'm getting questions about it)

1. If your contact information in your account is incorrect (outdated email etc), the beta invites were sent to whatever account information we have for you. It's very important to keep accurate information on your account, because the contact we use to update you on important game information, payment failures, and so on. If you missed this wave, you may be able to get in on a future one, but for now the beta invite was sent to whatever information we had for you on file.

2. Got a beta key but can't see the beta forums? It sometimes takes a moment for the forums to verify with billing that your forum account indeed has beta access. It can take up to an hour (but hopefully less after some changes we made), so if you had trouble earlier, feel free to try again

[Coldin]

I still would like to know if Founder accounts are ok. I wouldn't be paranoid, except we couldn't see this forum either. :)

And, by the way you're talking, the first wave is over. I guess if we haven't got a beta invite yet today, we won't see one today at all.

[Lorichie]

Two things (because I'm getting questions about it)

1. If your contact information in your account is incorrect (outdated email etc), the beta invites were sent to whatever account information we have for you. It's very important to keep accurate information on your account, because the contact we use to update you on important game information, payment failures, and so on. If you missed this wave, you may be able to get in on a future one, but for now the beta invite was sent to whatever information we had for you on file.

2. Got a beta key but can't see the beta forums? It sometimes takes a moment for the forums to verify with billing that your forum account indeed has beta access. It can take up to an hour (but hopefully less after some changes we made), so if you had trouble earlier, feel free to try again

there are a lot of folks asking questions about beta stuff in a bunch of threads, you might want to mebbe make a sticky somewhere so they dont do something to get themselves in trouble. of course its just a humble suggestion...

R

[axebender]

the email situation is very silly. so that means those of us that didnt update our emailes in time are out of luck. y not send our invites threw a mass pm on the forums..you know what ive gotten to the point i dont give a hoot anymore. this hole announcment just didnt live up to its hype as i new it wouldnt. you refried our beans and still served them cold.....

[Damionic]

Rechecked my email (diddent duplicate the email address)

Should be fine now..so grease me up Woman! :D

(if you need my account details send me a private msg)

[Tanka]

the email situation is very silly. so that means those of us that didnt update our emailes in time are out of luck. y not send our invites threw a mass pm on the forums..you know what ive gotten to the point i dont give a hoot anymore. this hole announcment just didnt live up to its hype as i new it wouldnt. you refried our beans and still served them cold.....
When you change your e-mail address, the onus is on you to update all corresponding accounts.

[Tolero]

there are a lot of folks asking questions about beta stuff in a bunch of threads, you might want to mebbe make a sticky somewhere so they dont do something to get themselves in trouble. of course its just a humble suggestion...

R

Yep, will add to the FAQ list... after all if you're not giving us your correct information, how are we supposed to contact about cool stuff? :eek: Remember to keep your contact information with us up to date.

[DemonMage]

When was the list for beta invites pulled? Have all invites gone out?

I realized that an email address that is defunct is where my Turbine account pointed to for some reason, and updated it after the newsletter and before the beta wave went out (had no particular reason to check it before today). I'd assume it's not a real time list, and is at least a few days old and I'm screwed for the time being, but just thought I'd check.

[Giantsbane]

Can we use our turbine points to upgrade a beloved 28 point build to a 32 point build?

He'd still be a gimp Vorn. :D

[Damionic]

....clicking refresh on the email web page is only fun for the first 3 seconds.......

[leviathan]

Obviously alot of us have our cc on our accunt and money is drawn out auto. We come to the forums for info and communication. So why would we think to update an e-mail that we placed on the account three years ago... I updated as soon as I got on and found out about the invites coming through e-mail... about 6 hours ago.

So, when will invites be sent out again and how will you know that I need one sent to my updated e-mail?

[Phineasj]

So I got the announcing DDO unlimited email, I am going to assume theat means my email addy is ok, but still no beta invite. Gonna be another wave or are we SOL till next wave? :P

[suitepotato]

I got one thing to say to you devs so PAY ATTENTION:

Star Trek

Do you remember the chintzy material we were given, where it was just fluffy talk of Kirk and the gang back at Starfleet academy and made to sound like we were going to see McCoy give Spock a wedgie or something equally sophomoric and stupid?

Do you remember the groaning sound in the world as if billions of people had their dreams crushed and then collapsed?

Did you see what they actually did?

FOLLOW THROUGH.

If this does not knock the socks off of your long time paying customers who've stuck with it because of their love for DDO and AD&D, you're shooting yourselves in the foot because the free players will not become paying customers when they see the gulf between promise and delivery.

This really really really better work out because you're looking to put your long record of broken promises, borked existing adventures, scattershot backfilling nerfs ("we meant it to work different"), and the like in front of a huge audience. More of that is a bad idea.

If you want those who've stuck with you to be happy, start working on fixing things which have been broken forever, like since beta of the original game, stuff that's been broken for three mods, stuff that got broke after you did something else. A lack of attention to that has been giving us a feeling of callous disregard since long before this mod 9 delay.

[Damionic]

So I got the announcing DDO unlimited email, I am going to assume theat means my email addy is ok, but still no beta invite. Gonna be another wave or are we SOL till next wave? :P

Aye I got the first email after signing up to DDO : EU (so any logical being would suggest that my email WAS working)

Yet..Im still clicking refresh on the Email Web Page :(

[Damionic]

DAMB YOU! You NO MESSAGED EMAIL!!!

If you had eyes..I would be flicking them right now :(

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Ok, just activated the beta key.

Oh, and one little tip for you, I agreed to the terms of service on the RISIA server, you might want to update that :p

[pjstechie]

a tip if you are looking for a beta invite email:

check your spam folder...

[Damionic]

Ok, just activated the beta key.

Oh, and one little tip for you, I agreed to the terms of service on the RISIA server, you might want to update that :p

Swine!

[Aesop]

I may have missed this terribly... but the old question of When comes to mind.

I mean 9 months and no joy is not good.

Will we be seeing this by the Solstice?

or is it closer to the Equinox?

Aesop

[Damionic]

I may have missed this terribly... but the old question of When comes to mind.

I mean 9 months and no joy is not good.

Will we be seeing this by the Solstice?

or is it closer to the Equinox?

Aesop

Is that the Summer Solstice or Sol Invictus?

[Aesop]

Is that the Summer Solstice or Sol Invictus?

Summer

[Damionic]

Please can you ppl tell us when the second wave is hitting..

[Magyar]

i was told i'd get another email this afternoon...
LIES!
:(

[jggbear]

Mine hasn't arrived, hope i will get mine too. I received the announcement, but no key yet.

Sad

[sf2000]

I got my beta access today...Downloading ATM...it said, im a seconds away from entering big things...2h15 min left O.o.Muhahaha.Anyway im very pleased with all recent info ,progress about ddo.I understand that we may have to wait a bit more for mod9 release..I dont really care waiting like 1 or 2 more month if the new content is bigger.I think August will be the month!About store.....ive seen a +5 holyburst wounding rapier of puncturing...Lvl 20 rr;Azmodey.

[WorldTraveler]

I received the invite email from first wave (was confused why there were no new PMs when I logged in here until a post stating something about
your up to date account email). I did the first step it lists of going to myaccount, logging in, and entering the key it gave. It has successfully updated
my account.

In the legal agreement, I too saw where it said you would have the opportunity to see the updates on "Risia", the server you all told us to remove
and that is no longer valid. I assumed it a mistake as well, but now the next step is saying you must uninstall Lamania, in spite of the fact that
the announcement posts here and responses all mention Lamania as the server this thing will be on and the fact that my Lamania downloader client
popped up a message saying it had finished downloading updates.

Now aside from the obvious question of why there would be such an update for it too download if in fact it has been completely abandoned, it
is particularly important to those of us who went through hell trying to get that thing not only to download, but then to work successfully that we
know exactly what's going on. To wit: do we or do we not use the Lamania server we already downloaded and used a while back for that preview
to log into the new beta thing? I suppose it's really two questions: is it Risia or Lamania, and if we are using Lamania, it needs to be clarified
then whether the 8+ hour download those of us who already went through it is OK or if we will really need to remove Lamania and redownload
(not a good advertisement if so for the capability of this new download manager if it is unable to progressively update the server). Please
clarify this and put it somewhere stickied for everybody. Thanks.

[tihocan]

All this sounds nice Mr. Fernando, but I think you forgot two important things in your post:

1. Acknowledging it was a very bad idea to delay mod.9 for that long, and apologizing / taking responsibility for it

2. Giving us current subscribers a better incentive to keep what's left of our faith in Turbine management than just offering priority access to a beta server

[Anarkius]

HEY TURBINE, Yeah TURBINE :excuse me mr security guard, Im with TURBINE over there: TURBINE!!! :alright, alright Ill step back from the rope - can you check again I KNOW I'm on the list somewhere, TURBINE SAID they were gonna add me to the list: :sigh:

Feelin like the guy at the club that is inappropriatly dressed and cant get past the doorman, where is my VIP pass? My account info is all up to date and was last updated 5/28/09 - are we going in alphabetical order? date of sub? lowest infraction points on the forum? what gives?

I WANNA CHECK IT OUT!!!!

See everyone in Stormreach (hopefully unlimited)...

[mykoan]

Well, this could be a good and a bad thing. Love the idea of a low barrier to entry. But please make sure the paid accounts are worth the money. Been here since 2006, only have had one character, and just made 16.

[qilor]

The first wave of invites are going out! Ssssh!!! It's NDA time!

I just checked my account info and my email was wrong. Other than update my account info (again) Anything I can do about it as far as getting into Beta is concerned?

[Luv]

7-9 month slip of content for....what?....I'm not exactly sure.

Edit: In all seriousness. If you're telling us late summer, based on your history this does not look good at all. Please provide a date that you can stick to (i.e. +/- 1 month).

I am In Australia, so we are currently in Winter. Please confirm that you have just started Summer and by the 'LATER THIS SUMMER' comment we could be referring to 2-3 months from now for the release???
<sighz>

[WorldTraveler]

While I still think it a good idea to make it clearer and correct any false text, at least for me personally, I think I have answered my own question. I
went ahead and ignored that "uninstall Lamania and click here to download" step and simply tried to launch the Lamania server I've had since
my first successful download and used my log in info like back then. Wow. You will really make some people mad if you don't change that invite
email. I logged right in with no problems at all and am standing around about to try and redeem my points code. No uninstall/reinstall at all. This
would seem to be the logical and obvious way it ought to work for people who already have it, but if you follow directions as they are given,
you could:
a - waste 8 or 9 more hours for a working server when you already have one
b - uninstall it and then run into more or new problems that make it so that you cannot get it again.

I think it's obvious that someone needs at least edit that invite email and the legal text when you update your account. Thanks.

By the way, are the bugs we found and could post about in the Lamania discussion forums when anybody with an active account could read and
therefore were not restricted information at that time now part of the non disclosure agreement? I would not want to find the posts I made talking
about things we found on the previous run freely in open forum to somehow now be a retroactive violation of that agreement. I would assume
that we can therefore post in normal forum "Whoohoo! They DID fix that ......." without being technically in violation now since we weren't
then.

[~djama]

still no beta invite *cry*

[Quanefel]

I am In Australia, so we are currently in Winter. Please confirm that you have just started Summer and by the 'LATER THIS SUMMER' comment we could be referring to 2-3 months from now for the release???
<sighz>

It just turned June for us so look forward to about a 3 month longer wait, maybe more.

[Sarr]

still no beta invite *cry*

Yeah, I'd like to get it too. I've just bought DDO US sub after 2 trials long time ago. I was playing on DDO EU till now.

I hope I'll be able join the beta, as I always wanted to help with development. I even considered asking about joining Mournlands, but I was worried that I'd lose big deal of fun. But some time passed and I've changed my mind, would like to start with beta to see if I can be prove valuable. No problems with NDA, as I have strict rules myself. Heck, I would be relieved not blabbering about DDO development, but being a part of it instead.

[Arnya]

lowest infraction points on the forum?

LOL nope - I got my invite :)

Don't know if I can beta as it would take 2-3 months of my download quota to get the client....

[Deus1107]

Here I thought I was someone special getting something new and exciting but it's just the same Lamma server dressed up with a new fancy name. Lipstick on a pig. I'll go back to the live accounts until Mod9 goes live.

[Anarkius]

LOL nope - I got my invite :)

Don't know if I can beta as it would take 2-3 months of my download quota to get the client....

Still no VIP invite - gonna go hit live servers - I thought for sure it was the infraction point thing, but if you got your invite Arnya I REALLY should have gotten mine :D

[Amalthius_Di_Veluna]

Can you provide a link to provide help to those who already have the test server client but can't complete the Beta installation due to an inability to install an MS C++ redistribute patch. I've registered, but was sent to lords only know what page. Finally got the .exe file loaded, ran it, and was told to "manually install" the above mentioned file. I could swear I saw a file like that in the two files that the Beta installer downloaded, but could not find it in ANY turbine sub-folder in Windows. Please advise. The Beta invite is useless if you can't actually install it.:confused:

[MrRotten]

Totally stoaked about this... Finally something worth talking about, good or bad.

As a long time enthusiast of DDO, I have taken 2 breaks of subscription since being apart of the first origional beta, I am happy to see something this big.

Yea sure its been along wait for alot of you that didn't take some time off, and its seem to have been few and far between lately.

But in the end, this is by far one of the TOP MMOs out there on the market. The graphics are superb, the character creation hands down IMO is the best out there when compared to other top MMOs. The raid system is top notch! DDO has everything going for it.. I see nothing wrong with them sticking MODs out there that address many improvements to the old stuff and adding in a few new things.

DDO Unlimited seems to be adding in a TON of new stuff, improving a TON of old stuff, and adding a whole new flavor to this. And putting this great game as FREE!? Wow, that'll surely suck in some curious players, and once they see what DDO has to offer now adays, they'll stay.

I mean in the ugh "OLD DAYS" I wasn't even thinking of seeing a dragon, let alone fighting one till the first raid. VELAH!

Now theres one within the training zone... Sure Korthos Island isn't all that new, but I sure enjoyed rolling a new toon after taking some time off and not having seen it before. Surely that'll suck any interested new players in, with the addition of a solid game and free subscription!

I'm stoaked for the growth and development... Not to mention the fact Turbine is saying that after this big release, we're going back to the old ways of getting new stuff ever other month or so.

The reason this has taken so long to get this is because its SOOOO BIG!

Everyone relax, keep your pants on.. I for one love to see a game that I really enjoyed THRIVE and really improve the good aspects they built the game on.

Great job TURBINE! BRAVO!

My download is now complete... I'm getting the heck off the forums and giving it a peek!

WOOT!

[MichHawk]

Sounds like this will breathe some new life to a great but slowly dieing game. Time will tell.

[MrRotten]

I agree...

You guys have waited this long... atleast now you get the news of what Turbine has been doing all this time, working on a big big update to old and new stuff.

Cut them some slack...

After waiting as long as you guys did (I say you guys, I just recently came back from about a year away), you all stayed loyal when things were stagnet, not even really complaining about it anymore, cuz complaining got old.

Now the big news finally hits, and its got y'all back complaining again.

Since you waited this long, whats it gonna hurt to give it a chance, see what comes of it, get in on the BETA, check it out.

Who knows, could actually turn out to be pretty awesome...

Then again, could completely tank and suck more... Then you're right back to complaining again.

So what have ya got to lose?

[Damionic]

Maby T&T only read this thread

:mad:WHERE'S MY BETA KEY!!:mad:

[lissa_981]

My wife and I each have an account, but they are both registered to the same email address. Will I get both beta keys at that address, or is it limited to one per?

[SteeleTrueheart]

It just turned June for us so look forward to about a 3 month longer wait, maybe more.

It turned June for us in Australia a whole 11 days ago, you must be slow up there :D

I assume you mean it just turned summer? :) Which of course we know, because we are aware of the fact that there are two hemispheres and they are in opposite seasons at any given time.

Yet another Mod9 delay, which is about all that this announcement says to current subscribers.

Can we dye armor at least?

This is so meh I can't believe I was getting excited for the info release. I was hoping for an expansion.

I want to put down in writing that Mod 10 (or Update 1... whatever they call it) will still be 3+ months after Unlimited comes out.

[Steiner-Davion]

Congratulations Turbine, this is defenitly big news and as a recently returned subscriber within the last year I'm looking forward to seeing what all the new additions are, and am excited for the change.

Not sure why some are questioning the mod 9 release etc...

Because we have not had a significant increase in content in over a year now. That is why. Instead of producing new content, Turbine has been working on this. Period. Oh and the simple fact that we were told time and time agian that MOD 9 was not part of SS and that we would get MOD 9 for the 3rd Anniversary.



After all a fresh relaunch specifying levels from 1 - 20 with added content and a new business model makes perfect sense. Pretty sure everything is tied together and mod 9 is a part of the new content, thus the inability to release it separately.
Not true. The released a part of DDO:EU, formerly known as MOD 9 onto Lammania back in April. Which means that could have jsut as easily loaded it on the the live servers no problem.

[Steiner-Davion]

Is 500 points going to be enough to get all the downloads? I will only use my points for the content upgrades not buying in the dungeons.

If you have an active VIP Subscription, then you continue to get al lthe updates as you do now. No need to spend those free 500 bonus Turbine Points on Content.

[Steiner-Davion]

My wife and I each have an account, but they are both registered to the same email address. Will I get both beta keys at that address, or is it limited to one per?

I asked about this yesterday, and was told they removed duplicate emails to avoid spamming people. But I'm told that they might reconsider this in some fashion, based upon feedback form people like you and me, and those who haven't gotten theirs yet.

I promise I'm not making this up.

[Gratch]

Hmmm... it says I need more reputation in order to derepute Fernando and his post.

General consensus of everyone I've talked to:
-F2P could be a good thing... when it comes out... once summer is over and everyone's forgotten about it... or later.
-Whatever A5HHat tied Mod9 into F2P wins this years EPIC FAIL AWARD (in the video games category).

[Anarkius]

Still no beta invite ::sobs:: I thought we wuz friends?!?!:confused:

Anyway, Ill go play for realz - to heck with yer 'beta' testing :P

[Steiner-Davion]

Still no beta invite ::sobs:: I thought we wuz friends?!?!:confused:

Anyway, Ill go play for realz - to heck with yer 'beta' testing :P


No don't go play for real. If you earn favor you will not be rewarded for your effort when DDO:EU goes live, see Tolero's post (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=185254)


There isn't a retroactive Turbine Points grant on favor you already earned before DDO Unlimited, but if say you're like at 1750, you'd start earning the points on the rest of the favor as you climb past 1750.

I should also clarify that I don't think the article worded it correctly. You don't earn the points for doing the quests AND the favor, they probably got confused about favor points vs turbine points :) You get the Turbine Points for earning favor, and you earn favor by running the quests.

Even though you don't get the retroactive points, you will get your VIP month points right off the bat once DDO Unlimited starts

Post Script: Oh and the favor points are per character, but your VIP monthly stipend is per account

[gorsh1]

Can anyone confirm that the beta server is Lamina, I got my invite then unistalled the old Lamina test site, then downloaded the install manager and Lamina started to install again !!??

[smatt]

Can anyone confirm that the beta server is Lamina, I got my invite then unistalled the old Lamina test site, then downloaded the install manager and Lamina started to install again !!??

Yes it is....

[Torosar]

Can anyone confirm that the beta server is Lamina, I got my invite then unistalled the old Lamina test site, then downloaded the install manager and Lamina started to install again !!??

Yes (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=2221956&post2221956)


There will be changes, but they're all positive. In addition to full access to all content, you also get a free monthly stipend of Turbine points for use in the store.

Mod 9 is part of the Beta, and yes, Lamannia is the Beta server.

[Quanefel]

It turned June for us in Australia a whole 11 days ago, you must be slow up there :D

I assume you mean it just turned summer? :) Which of course we know, because we are aware of the fact that there are two hemispheres and they are in opposite seasons at any given time.

Yet another Mod9 delay, which is about all that this announcement says to current subscribers.

Can we dye armor at least?

This is so meh I can't believe I was getting excited for the info release. I was hoping for an expansion.

I want to put down in writing that Mod 10 (or Update 1... whatever they call it) will still be 3+ months after Unlimited comes out.

No, I meant in general about June and summer. Not the actual day June started. And summer does not start until June 20th. Is Turbine using a different calendar....than the rest of the world?

I know, we are getting yet another delay and I think the people all giddy about this store being added and all seen to gloss over the fact we are getting yet another delay on content we have been told we were getting "Soon", months and months ago. People seem, happy about that? I don't get it.

The Turbine already stated this mod won't be out until the end of summer. Their words, not mine. What makes it worse is for a Dev to come on here and make remarks that it won't take 3 months when in fact the end of Summer IS 3 months away. Treating us like children, like we do not know what "end of summer" means.

None of us are mind readers. So if they mean ...sometime this summer, that is one thing. I am going off what they say, not what they MIGHT have meant. Besides, it's Turbine. Who in their right mind would take them at their word anyways? I lost faith in them being honest with us awhile ago. How or why others still have faith in them does not make sense to me. I think we all were hopimg for that expansion, months ago.

No armor dye in store without a real crafting system with dying in it first. LOTRO has armor dying in their crafting system, so should we. Having us pay for it when LOTRO players get it within game as part of the game would be bogus.

[Uska]

Mod 9 is part of this launch because Turbine is too cheap to do more work to make the launch real. They have stuff for mod 9 now, they can hold onto it and use it for the launch. That makes less work for them. And they fixed the lag... woo hoo, WHO CARES. Been waiting how long for that as subscribers so they fix it for the free people? Hmmm! And how do they know?

Anyway, this is the biggest disappointment from Turbine yet. Not really sure why anyone is excited about this besides the idea that we will be flooded with even more people who aren't paying for the game. Oh, and it is at our expense. The relaese says we will get to pay $14.99 now instead of our current rate. Just get ready for more and more cost hikes and equipment issues.

Umm you keep your current rate no changes to that so dont spread incorrect info please.

[Uska]

"Soon?" So really what the existing player base gets for "Hanging in there" is.. To "Pay" to be Beta testers? I mean really, all the promises of new content for all these months has now gone out the window?

You can still play your regular characters on the live servers thats what you are paying for. Beta access is just a bonus for you.

[Uska]

ok Not finding any post on the new class....

Somebody spill whats the new class!

I dont think anyone knows for sure but most are thinking its favored soul

[Uska]

Ok what is the new class? One of the annoucements says that Monk is the new class. I hope not. If you can't/won't tell us then tell us when we will find out! No more secrets Turbine.

I dont think it really says monk is the new class it talks about the new class and monk and is poorly worded leading people to think that it says monk.

[Torosar]

I dont think anyone knows for sure but most are thinking its favored soul

Yup yup!

Incase anyone is wondering why people are thinking it might the Favoured Soul class, read the first few posts in this thread (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=177845).

[Uska]

I have been trying to sort through information since the site came back up. Questions and complaints are flying way to fast to process, but one thing that jump out at me FERNANDO is the fact that we are being asked to be patient for another indefinite period of time ("mid-summer") while we continue to pay to play live servers or press on into the beta test or both.

I understand the need for beta testing this system and hold a fairly high degree of optimism for what is to come once it goes live and beyond, but...

1) What about players who don't want to ruin their live experience by beta-testing? We are still left in the dark without any new content for this "indefinite period of time" ... after remaining faithfully "patient" for all of this time. I know it is choice not to beta test (one which I will have to reevaluate), but was their consideration given to this facet?

2) We have to pay to beta-test, if we choose that route? What would be better is if you suspend our sub fees if we beta test, until it goes live. That might make up for the fact that we are still waiting. This is not a complaint, so much as it is a suggestion. I know you are in business, but your long-time players who want to enjoy the game LIVE (not in beta) are getting hosed still.

Can you address these related issues? It would certainly make the transition easier for many.

Dex is still here and am withholding judgment for the short term. :cool:



You still get to play your live characters so thats what you are paying for. I dont mind paying to support a game I enjoy and with this new thing maybe its a game I can enjoy more with more people now.

[Uska]

Except those have to be conceptualized, written, tested, re-written, re-tested, re-re-written, re-re-tested, error-checked, re-re-re-written, edited for clarity, edited for errors, re-checked one last time, sent to the printers, shipped from the printers, checked for printing errors, shipped to the stores and then sold.

In other words: it'll still take time. Whether that's 3 months or 6, nobody knows, because Turbine refuses to put down anything in writing anymore. They know we'll lambast them over missed deadlines.

Umm you played many pnp modules? most are filled with errors so doubt if there is anywhere near the amount of checking and rewritting you imagine.

[Uska]

Tolero, I know you're just the messenger...... And I agree that peerhaps the changes to DDO will be a good thing.... But Turbine has screwed over the current player base... They promised what they KNEW they wern't delivering........:mad:

I dont see anywhere that I have been screwed over really, I am slightly disapointed that mod 9 is delayed but I still have lots and lots of fun stuff to do.

[Uska]

ok New set of questions:

1) So lets say I get in beta, and I'm playing... I go to the eStore, and want to buy stuff... according to what I have read, I will have 500 "Credits" already, being a VIP, but I buy alot of stuff and blow thru that 500.... I want to buy more, so I whip out my CC.

When it goes live do I get what I just bought on Beta in live? Or did I just waste money?

2) What is the new class?

I wouldnt even try to buy anything in beta I have never seen a game have beta stuff carry over to live.

[Quanefel]

I dont see anywhere that I have been screwed over really, I am slightly disapointed that mod 9 is delayed but I still have lots and lots of fun stuff to do.

Open your eyes a bit more and see what some of us are saying here. We are not saying these things for the heck of it, it is for very good reasons.

[Uska]

Tarrant answered this in a different thread. Any Points (I think from any source) used on the beta will transfer to live once live actually hits the servers.

Oh really thats unusual

[Uska]

ok. i cancelled my account about 2 weeks ago. it is good till october, because i pay the anniversary package. i have tried to resume my account, but it wants to charge me more money per 6 month period. can i still get an invite to beta with my account pending cancellation??


once you cancel your anniversary package price deal you cant get it back, as to yoour beta invite well your still current so I would imagine you qualify for one or should anyways.

[Uska]

Oh and since there is a NDA, AND its beta... how are we going to report findings to fine tune things?


beta fourms

[Uska]

Eep!

Just thought of something. What if founders got bugged for beta invites like they were for accessing these forums!?

Tolero, Tarrant, please, set aside my fears!!

When were founders bugged for fourms hmm I never was the only thing was some founders didnt come and register on fourms during the deadline so they maybe didnt get a founder title but no bug.

[Uska]

I still would like to know if Founder accounts are ok. I wouldn't be paranoid, except we couldn't see this forum either. :)

And, by the way you're talking, the first wave is over. I guess if we haven't got a beta invite yet today, we won't see one today at all.

Must have just been yoiu and maybe a few others I have never had a fourm issue I mean just look at my post count.

[Uska]

It turned June for us in Australia a whole 11 days ago, you must be slow up there :D

I assume you mean it just turned summer? :) Which of course we know, because we are aware of the fact that there are two hemispheres and they are in opposite seasons at any given time.

Yet another Mod9 delay, which is about all that this announcement says to current subscribers.

Can we dye armor at least?

This is so meh I can't believe I was getting excited for the info release. I was hoping for an expansion.

I want to put down in writing that Mod 10 (or Update 1... whatever they call it) will still be 3+ months after Unlimited comes out.


Summer offcialy begins June 21st here which this year is fathers day. so we still have almost two weeks until summer starts.

[Quanefel]

OP,

Half naked woman on the forums or the game is a simple marketing tactic. Designed towards men and lonely teenage boys to draw them in to a "free" game, hopefully with their credit cards in tow.

[Aesop]

When were founders bugged for fourms hmm I never was the only thing was some founders didnt come and register on fourms during the deadline so they maybe didnt get a founder title but no bug.

Some were having problems with the New Beta Forums til the issue was fixed... yesterday I think

Aesop

[Turial]

The big question I have and I know no one will answer it is....what has our subscription money been doing for the last 9 months?

Getting new content......no its been 9 months with nothing in game. The new content based on the hype looks to be smaller then mod 4. Which we got on time and 1 month after a smaller content update and 1 month before another update.

Keeping the game running ......doubt it, the game is going to a free 2 play model which means keeping the server hamsters going must not cost much.

[Quanefel]

The big question I have and I know no one will answer it is....what has our subscription money been doing for the last 9 months?

Getting new content......no its been 9 months with nothing in game. The new content based on the hype looks to be smaller then mod 4. Which we got on time and 1 month after a smaller content update and 1 month before another update.

Keeping the game running ......doubt it, the game is going to a free 2 play model which means keeping the server hamsters going must not cost much.

Do not overlook all the mature and generous players we have now who help all these F2P players with gifts, their time, experience and resources that will help insure that most of the F2P players....never really have to spend anything while we pay our fees for them to play. Fun?

[vanhagar]

Anyone else getting this?

World queue error unable to connect to world queue please try again Error[50000]

I get this when i try to login

[smatt]

Anyone else getting this?

World queue error unable to connect to world queue please try again Error[50000]

I get this when i try to login

Sounds like a bug in the line to get into the server.

Sounds to me like the next big hit to the DDO supporters of old..... Because even wtih todays popluation the servers/game cant' handle the loads. So when the NEW DDO comes out the server populations will be limited, sure we as VIP's will be put to the front of the line, but you'll have to wait till others log off before you can log on. They've hinted around at such a thing, but have never come right out and said it.

[Gorbie]

But I installed the beta Lammania server and started rolling up a new toon and I saw NO new class. Just the standard classes available on the regular DDO servers. AND it damaged my regular DDO installation and I'm in the process of reinstalling my normal DDO client as I write this. Once again Turbine is all talk and no follow through. Just ONCE I'd like to see something Turbine does actually work as advertised the first time.

[Hafeal]

The big question I have and I know no one will answer it is....what has our subscription money been doing for the last 9 months?

Getting new content......no its been 9 months with nothing in game. The new content based on the hype looks to be smaller then mod 4. Which we got on time and 1 month after a smaller content update and 1 month before another update.

Keeping the game running ......doubt it, the game is going to a free 2 play model which means keeping the server hamsters going must not cost much.

Ah, this is a question I can help you with, from the Ten Ton Hammer interview talking about the hybrid model and microtransactions:


Adam: I think it’s important to note that this isn’t a bolted on solution. We didn’t just want to toss an item mall into the game and see what happens. We’ve put well over a years worth of work into this to sort of “re-engineer” the game and fit this model.

[Garund]

Not sure if this has been asked, but once EU goes live "later this summer", will I need to download a whole new game via the TDM, or will my current version of DDO just be patched.

Gar

[smatt]

Not sure if this has been asked, but once EU goes live "later this summer", will I need to download a whole new game via the TDM, or will my current version of DDO just be patched.

Gar


They did say somewhere that it will be a current live sever cleint game patch. HOPEFULLY, the TDM has NOTHING EVER TO DO WITH ANY PATCHES :eek:

[RumpleHorril]

Hi Everyone!

Our next Beta update will include a new class, additional quests for both low and high level players, improvements to our challenge scaling system, options to let players configure the UI and we have fixed the lag!

-Fernando.

New Class???

Everybody talking about the succubus's rack, the lag fix, how long it's taken to get mod 9 out... yeah yeah yeah, got it, how about the important stuff....

Fernando, can you clarify the statement "Next Beta update will include a new CLASS"....

[Turial]

Ah, this is a question I can help you with, from the Ten Ton Hammer interview talking about the hybrid model and microtransactions:

Sad Panda. I think the time nears to take both the blue and the red pill to see what happens as I fall through the rabbit hole.

[ArkoHighStar]

New Class???

Everybody talking about the succubus's rack, the lag fix, how long it's taken to get mod 9 out... yeah yeah yeah, got it, how about the important stuff....

Fernando, can you clarify the statement "Next Beta update will include a new CLASS"....

yes a new class will be available, no details o what it is have been released by Turbine, but I am sure if you look in the forms you will see some educated guesses

[Arkat]

New Class???

Everybody talking about the succubus's rack, the lag fix, how long it's taken to get mod 9 out... yeah yeah yeah, got it, how about the important stuff....

Fernando, can you clarify the statement "Next Beta update will include a new CLASS"....

Go here:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=185501

[Duplicate_10]

What's the average wait to get into beta? I'm a subscriber and just reg'd.

Basically just wondering if I should leave my house tonight.

[Big-Dex]

What's the average wait to get into beta? I'm a subscriber and just reg'd.

Basically just wondering if I should leave my house tonight.

If you didn't get a beta key in the mail bro, I am not sure when you will see one. Right now it seems like it is only open to those active subscribers, whose emails were current, when they released the first and second batches of keys.

If you haven't got a key by now, I would probably plan on leaving the house. ;)

Dex was here. :cool:

[Anarkius]

Still no key - I am officially done waiting for a key - I will see those of you that are around in game. Other than that I am willing to wait until late summer of 2020 (when it is actually released) to see mod 9 and the new DDO unlimited.

[Uska]

What's the average wait to get into beta? I'm a subscriber and just reg'd.

Basically just wondering if I should leave my house tonight.

Yes leave and let me know so I can come steal all your stuff and leave your password so I can loot your ddo account to:D

[Corbret]

Anyone else having problems getting into Lamania. I have downloaded the game and get to the character selection screen but when I select someone to start it the game come back with a screen saying that an error has occurred. Anyone else dealing with this?

[bellack]

i saw that VIP's get priority in the queue

i can only assume that you are either merging some servers or that non-VIP's will have to wait to log on during peak times

any guidance from devs would be much appreciated

thanks

Maybe it's just me but I have never had to wait to get in. Is this going to change now?

[bellack]

Well I can wait longer. I'm playing Temple of Elemental Evil with the CO8 modpack (very very good by the way) so I'll play this until the new release. Actully it is better if they realese everything at once.

[bellack]

I have a question. Will there be an actual would to play in and explor or will it be the same old same old City with a lot of instances?

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

If you have NEVER RECEIVED YOU KEY/EMAIL... please surf over to this link and post your concern....

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=186646

[Steiner-Davion]

Anyone else having problems getting into Lamania. I have downloaded the game and get to the character selection screen but when I select someone to start it the game come back with a screen saying that an error has occurred. Anyone else dealing with this?

Careful, that sounds liek an acknowledement that you are participating in the BETA, and as such would most likely be violating an NDA.

[bellack]

So, for Pick Up Groups I assume we will now have to list 800 different items that everyone is required to have purchased at some time before we allow them in group?

LFM- Running Waterworks. Class all. Level 2-5. please have purchased waterworks module, reptillian bane arrows and at least 4 pots. Send tell with number of store credits willing to donate to Cleric. Subscribers not allowed, too powerful.

Should we be looking forward to this? Just wondering as an advertising push with good content would have made me craploads happier than making this a game of "everyone is playing a different game depending on how much they are willing to spend per month". Of course none of this would matter if the game wasn't specifically designed for essentially balanced groups of equal level players.

Give me hope please?


Why would you ruin the fun of an adventure by demanding that people have a certain list of items? Hey if they don't the dungeon will be a lot more hard which means more challanging. But I guess few people like a real challange anymore. It's all easy mode these days.

[Steiner-Davion]

Why would you ruin the fun of an adventure by demanding that people have a certain list of items? Hey if they don't the dungeon will be a lot more hard which means more challanging. But I guess few people like a real challange anymore. It's all easy mode these days.


I seriously doubt he was suggesting that he would do, that, but some people can be extremely elitest, and just might post that kind of nonsense. Heck, I see some of that now, and I just quietly ignore those LFMS and group leaders and carry on smartly.

[Karrr]

Are there any more invitation waves to be set out?

I am very excited to hear about the Beta, and came back to DDO only because I heard about it.

[odontia]

Hey Fernando and Crew!!
If possible, could you give us some feedback without the fluffy fluff on how the Micro-trans. Business model is doing? Thanks pOg.