drow assassin

[raistlinmajere]

This may be a dumb question but I have only played with sword and board until now. I rolled a 32 point drow rogue. This is my first attempt at a character other than a straight fighter. I am planning on going assassin. My question(s) if I take the rogue dex enhancement and the elf dex enhancement do i get both added to my dex or does one wipe the other out. Also I got my toon to lvl three last night but I can not hit anything, my bab is only +1. What can I do to improve this. Any info would be much appreciated.

[KingOfCheese]

The Dex enhancements do stack.

Some ideas to improve to-hit: At low levels, do not try to dual wield weapons. Stay sword and board until you get maybe in the 5-7 level range--maybe even higher. Use weapons with the highest possible + on them--even if they don't have other nice add-ons. A generic +3 rapier is better than a holy/acid +1 if you are actually hitting more. Try to attack from behind (hard to do if you are soloing, but works well in a group) and stand still while hitting.

[valorik]

switch out your level 3 feat for weapon finesse, and yes the enhancements stack

[WeaselKing]

This may be a dumb question but I have only played with sword and board until now. I rolled a 32 point drow rogue. This is my first attempt at a character other than a straight fighter. I am planning on going assassin. My question(s) if I take the rogue dex enhancement and the elf dex enhancement do i get both added to my dex or does one wipe the other out. Also I got my toon to lvl three last night but I can not hit anything, my bab is only +1. What can I do to improve this. Any info would be much appreciated.

Both dex enhancements do stack, so no worries there. To improve your to hit I believe there is an item on Korthos that give s+1 to hit other than that maybe get one of your higher toons to mail him a higher + weapon, and depending on your str vs dex you might consider weapon finesse as a feat, there is a quest in the harbor near the mailbox that will give you a free feat repec token that you can take to the mindflayer underneath the garden in the north of House Jorasco to change out feats.

Weapon finesse allows you to use your dex modifier rather than your strength modifer for your to hit (but not your damage).

[Thriand]

I rolled a 32 point drow rogue.
No you didn't, drow are always 28pt builds because they get +2 to 3 base stats. (sorry people calling drow 32 pt builds has always bothered me)


I am planning on going assassin. My question(s) if I take the rogue dex enhancement and the elf dex enhancement do i get both added to my dex or does one wipe the other out.
The Class enhancements and the Race enhancements stack but two different class enhancements lock each other out (i.e. you can't take Rogue Dex and Ranger Dex)


Also I got my toon to lvl three last night but I can not hit anything, my bab is only +1. What can I do to improve this. Any info would be much appreciated.
BAB increases as you level, on a rogue you get 3/4 BAB so at level 3 you should have a BAB of 2

[raistlinmajere]

thanks for the info. my mistake on the 32 point drow. i didnt know you cant roll a 32 point drow.

[Noctus]

Drow are more than PB28 Elves.

If they are between PB28 and PB32 or if they are more than PB32 depends on the particular build.

[Riekan]

Drow are 32 point builds. You just don't get to determine where the extra 4 points are spent, 2 go to intelligence and 2 go to charisma. Calling them 28 point builds is simply wrong. Do the math.

[Thriand]

Drow are 32 point builds. You just don't get to determine where the extra 4 points are spent, 2 go to intelligence and 2 go to charisma. Calling them 28 point builds is simply wrong. Do the math.

By that line of reasoning WF would be 26 point and 30 point builds. Sorry but those are just base stats you get 28 points to spend on a Drow. Generally because there is no 32 point option for drow they are an inferior race for almost every class.

Starting with a base 10 int and 10 cha is not the same as putting 2 points in INT and 2 points in CHA. Sure you can compare a drow to a 32 point race but they aren't.

Its not a big deal, Its just a pet peeve of mine when people say drow are 32 pt builds. It doesn't change anything either way, they are what they are. But they ARE 28 pt builds just with 2 extra positive stat adjustments

[CSFurious]

drow are the original 32-point builds, i.e., while you only get 28 points, 4 of your stats start at 10 while other races start at less than 10 on those stats making them lesser to the drow from the beginning

they are the poor man's, i.e., new or no favor grinding, 32-point build

they start with wis, dex, int & chr all at 10

please advise me what other race starts with all of those stats at 10

none & that is why 32-point builds were created so that the other races could be equal to the drow's innate stat advantages

drow 28 points + 2 int + 2 chr = 32 points (it is a pretty simple concept)

drow make good wizards, sors, assassin rogues & spellsinger bards


No you didn't, drow are always 28pt builds because they get +2 to 3 base stats. (sorry people calling drow 32 pt builds has always bothered me)

[SableShadow]

Starting with a base 10 int and 10 cha is not the same as putting 2 points in INT and 2 points in CHA. Sure you can compare a drow to a 32 point race but they aren't.


It isn't the 10 int and the 10 cha people are talking about when they're talking about Drow being 32 point builds; it's the 16+ int or 16+ cha.

Sure, you actually get 28 build points, but there are reasons you see lots of Drow arcanes and rogues at the level cap even when the players have 32 point builds unlocked.

[CSFurious]

only drow can get to 20 int & 20 chr


It isn't the 10 int and the 10 cha people are talking about when they're talking about Drow being 32 point builds; it's the 16+ int or 16+ cha.

Sure, you actually get 28 build points, but there are reasons you see lots of Drow arcanes and rogues at the level cap even when the players have 32 point builds unlocked.

[Thriand]

drow are the original 32-point builds, i.e., while you only get 28 points, 4 of your stats start at 10 while other races start at less than 10 on those stats making them lesser to the drow from the beginning

Wrong 3 stats start at 10, while 1 starts at 6, I'm well aware of how drow work, my main is one. They are NOT 32 point builds they are enhanced 28 pt builds. No ones arguing that they aren't better than other 28 pt builds I'm just saying its my pet peeve that people call them 32s



they are the poor man's, i.e., new or no favor grinding, 32-point build

You still need favor to get them, but I'll agree with you there, they are better than standard 28's for some builds, but still not 32 pt builds.



they start with wis, dex, int & chr all at 10

Wow I want one of the drow you've been playing, wis starts at 8



please advise me what other race starts with all of those stats at 10

None, not even drow. But again no ones arguing that drow don't get more stat increases than normal 28 pt builds. But they are still 28 pt builds.



none & that is why 32-point builds were created so that the other races could be equal to the drow's innate stat advantages

100% agreed, but again no ones arguing that.


d
drow 28 points + 2 int + 2 chr = 32 points (it is a pretty simple concept)

Build points have never equaled stat points, and never will. The base bonus can effectively make you better or worse than a comparable 28 or 32 point build. But either way you still get only 28 pts, there is no 32 pt drow.
but by that reasoning
WF 28 pts +2 con - 2 cha - 2 wis = 26 point (it is a pretty simple concept)
And yet no one calls them 26 pt build.... because they aren't



drow make good wizards, sors, assassin rogues & spellsinger bards
No one said they didn't.... But 32 point versions of other races often overshadow them.

But anyway, we are all thinking of the same thing just in different ways. Maybe I'm too stuck on pnp Drow getting an ECL +2 because of there bonuses, but the lack of ECL does not equate to more build points. There is no such thing as a 32 pt drow in this game. Again "32pt drow" is just a pet peeve of mine, its not like our math or the actual data is any different.

[Varr]

Triand is right.

[SableShadow]

Again "32pt drow" is just a pet peeve of mine, its not like our math or the actual data is any different.

My peeve is the opposite. :)

Nah, I'm not jerking your chain here; in a world where people describe builds as either "28 pt" or "32 pt", Drow ranks with the "32 pt". A newbie coming onto the forums asking about builds needs to understand that.

It would be more accurate to say there are 28 pt, 32 pt, and Drow builds.

...and I totally understand about pet peeves, as I apparently have more of them than most. :D

[Varr]

sable is right

[SableShadow]

Triand is right.


sable is right

:eek:

All that's left is ... Thunderdome!

"Two peeves enter, one peeve leaves!"

:D

But OT, the OP is rolling a Drow, not a 32pt Drow.

[CSFurious]

that makes drow the original "32-point" build, i.e., they are not a normal 28-point build


None, not even drow. But again no ones arguing that drow don't get more stat increases than normal 28 pt builds. But they are still 28 pt builds.