Drow Rogue/DPS

[Thrice]

MK i want a drow

who can have MAX rogue skills

AMAZING DPS if not amazing then GOOD enough to kill quick

I CANT AFFORD TOMES OR REALLY HARD EQUIPMENT

so if you can build a SOLOABLE and SELF-EFFECIENT

Charecter with these please do so.

[Uska]

Just build yourself a twf acroabt rogue and you will be fine go finese and you can easy up on the str slightly, assasins arent really huge dps they are all about the insta kill, I do huge damage with my rogue right now, I am weilding a variety of weapons but I do have to watch my damage sometimes as I will pull agro so I just spam diplo and go on. my fav weapons are matched transmuters of pure good of various types, blunt, slash perice, I also use chaotic or lawful weapons of pure good when the situation calls on it. acroabt is nice since you never loose you feet just maybe get tossed back slightly, I have umd for wands and scrolls.

if you make sure keep you move silent, hide, and spot high you can even solo things like monastery.

[Thrice]

my starting stats atm

are

8
20
13
14
8
10

level 1 Rogue

level 2 Ranger

3-16 Rogue

[Uska]

str seems a little low, but shouldnt kill you if your a finese type wish I could remember my stats but at work right now but right now I am a 16lvl pure rogue.

[baddax]

Why the splash of ranger?

[Thrice]

i changed it to

14
18
13
14
8
10


i think

[Thrice]

to give me Two Weapon fighting

and Medium prof and other stuff without actually having to snag them as Feats

[baddax]

As long as you realize you are giving up your capstone enhancement. Granted im not sure how good it is. Cheat Death, a chance to self resurect.

Also what feat are you selecting instead of TWF, this is the trade off. IF what you are giving up is not <= what you are getting then its not worth the splash.

ie you give up
Cheat Death.

You get
abiltiy to use light/medium armor. (Of which im not sure how valuable it will be with a 30+ dex).
Feat X? selected in place of twf.

[Thrice]

idk im new thanks for the info ill take that into consideration...

Should i Be SwashBuckler and use Sword and Board

or TwF?

[baddax]

TWF is only the first in the line of TWFing feats.
there is ITWF and GTWF also. and some other less used feats also.

The TWFing style is currently the highest DPS fighting style in game now. So if you are interested in DPS then yes TWF is king.

[baddax]

You need to look at end game stats with gear to determine you best armor and such. Currently Dwarfs are the king of S&B because of the Armor and shield mastery lines they have.

If you are going primarily S&B i suggest rolling a dwarf.
If you are going primarily TWF i suggest drow or hafling (assuming you have the 32 point build and possibly even if you have a 32 point build availabe).

[Uska]

Why the splash of ranger?


was kind of wondering that myself

[Uska]

to give me Two Weapon fighting

and Medium prof and other stuff without actually having to snag them as Feats

you dont want to wear medium armor you loose evasion and spending you feats on twf stuff doesnt hurt you, in fact at high levels you will most likely be wearing robes or outfits.

[Aranticus]

to give me Two Weapon fighting

and Medium prof and other stuff without actually having to snag them as Feats

only bow strength is the notable feat (of coz you get FE)

it doesnt give you twf. you need TWO LEVELS of ranger for twf

[Thanimal]

In my opinion, there is *almost* no reason to consider a Rogue who doesn't splash at least 1 level of Monk. This typically results in a massive increase in armor class, and grants a handy extra feat. And the capstone is generally regarded as junk. It's also hard to find a DPS-focused Rogue who isn't best as a Halfling, because Halflings get additional sneak attack enhancements.

One thing to be aware of is that Rogues get nearly all of their DPS from Sneak Attack. At low levels, it's almost impossible to maintain Sneak Attack status when soloing. (At high levels it can be done with uber weapons that blind everyone or possibly with scrolls that do area blinding.)

If you don't mind making a build that is fairly popular, I believe the king of DPS-oriented Rogues right now is the Halfling Rogue 13/Ranger 6/Monk 1 build.

Here's an example:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=175391

Another good option is Halfling Rogue 19/Monk 1, for peak possible sneak attack damage.

Any offensively oriented Rogue MUST max Subtle Backstabbing. This line results in you dealing much more damage (because you maintain sneak-attack status) AND taking much less damage (because you don't draw aggro as quickly).

If you're interested in being a very defensively oriented Rogue, I'll point you to a build that I've been having an absolute blast with, which is a Drow Rogue 16/Paladin 2/Monk 2:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=171456

This build is quite solid for soloing at low levels (with some extra-damage handwraps or Kamas), but at mid levels it cannot maintain enough DPS. Soloing is still pretty possible, but annoyingly slow. At higher levels, as mentioned above, there are tricks to maintain SA status most of the time, so this guy should become a decent soloer again.

[Draccus]

It's also hard to find a DPS-focused Rogue who isn't best as a Halfling...

That alone is a great reason not to play a halfling!

[Thanimal]

That alone is a great reason not to play a halfling!

:)

Prevailing wisdom is always something to be skeptical of. Humans are only barely genetically different from sheep.

But sometimes it's right.

[Thrice]

well i dont have 1750 favor prolly never will


soooo

14 rogue / 2 monk

and possible to get Wind Stance with having 2 levels of monk?

and how will that work out?


(Considering Shortswords nor rapiers give KI)

but will i even use ki? or just the wind stance?

thanks.

[Aranticus]

well i dont have 1750 favor prolly never will


soooo

14 rogue / 2 monk

and possible to get Wind Stance with having 2 levels of monk?

and how will that work out?

you only need 1 level of monk to get the 1st tier wind stance

(Considering Shortswords nor rapiers give KI)

but will i even use ki? or just the wind stance?

thanks.

not just ki, wind stance will not work with ss or rapiers. you need to use monk weapons

2 monks in general is for evasion and the extra feat. with rog, you already have evasion, 2 monk is overkill

i do have 1 other piece of advice. the answers you are looking for can mostly be found in ddowiki

[Thanimal]

In the end, you will rarely use Wind stance OR ki. Kukris or Rapiers are just much better weapons. The Monk level is all about the AC and feat. However, while leveling up the build, Wind stance is indeed quite useful. It comes at Monk 1, so the 2nd level of Monk is less critical. (I personally like it, but a strong case can be made for picking up the extra d6 of SA by ending on an odd Rogue level. And you get Evasion from Rogue levels anyhow.)

I don't have 1750 favor nor am likely to in the near future. I just don't play that way. But 28-point Halfling still beats Drow for DPS Rogue. If you are interested in the 13/6/1 combo, I created a 28-point version of that in post #29 of this thread (and you may want to read before that for some context):

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=183557

For that build, taking the 2nd Monk level is probably NOT a good idea. Rogue 13 offers not only extra SA damage, but also another of the 3 "awesome Rogue feats": Crippling Strike, Slippery Mind, and Improved Evasion.

[Thrice]

mk well i read up on it and 6 levels of ranger is pretty pointless...

the 15 rogue / 1 monk sounds good

and being a halfing sounds good (even though i love drow and the 32 Pts it gives me)

I just want the Best DPS / soloability possible

without best gear and tomes *since im newb*

[Aranticus]

In the end, you will rarely use Wind stance OR ki. Kukris or Rapiers are just much better weapons. The Monk level is all about the AC and feat. However, while leveling up the build, Wind stance is indeed quite useful. It comes at Monk 1, so the 2nd level of Monk is less critical. (I personally like it, but a strong case can be made for picking up the extra d6 of SA by ending on an odd Rogue level. And you get Evasion from Rogue levels anyhow.)

I don't have 1750 favor nor am likely to in the near future. I just don't play that way. But 28-point Halfling still beats Drow for DPS Rogue. If you are interested in the 13/6/1 combo, I created a 28-point version of that in post #29 of this thread (and you may want to read before that for some context):

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=183557

For that build, taking the 2nd Monk level is probably NOT a good idea. Rogue 13 offers not only extra SA damage, but also another of the 3 "awesome Rogue feats": Crippling Strike, Slippery Mind, and Improved Evasion.

qft. my 15rgr/1mnk only use ever use wind stance when i'm vorpaling. twin kama, windstance ftw. all other occasions, its rapiers

[Thrice]

mk well i read up on it and 6 levels of ranger is pretty pointless...

the 15 rogue / 1 monk sounds good

and being a halfing sounds good (even though i love drow and the 32 Pts it gives me)

I just want the Best DPS / soloability possible

without best gear and tomes *since im newb*

also

is monk level 1 or is rogue level 1

and when do i grab the monk level?

[Thanimal]

mk well i read up on it and 6 levels of ranger is pretty pointless...

Not sure where you got THAT impression. 2 extra feats (since TWF and iTWF are granted), 10% increase in attack rate, +4 damage vs. favored enemies, Ram's Might, significantly improved saving throws, 2 extra points of AC (when not using a Shield wand on yourself), and a little better BAB and HP. This is some great stuff. However, it is not free: you give up 3d6 of your SA damage. Which brings me to:


I just want the Best DPS / soloability possible

These are somewhat opposite when considering a Rogue. The Ranger 6 build should have significantly better soloability, because its damage output when you DON'T have sneak attack status is far better. Perhaps even more importantly, it allows full use of Cure Wands -- absolutely critical for soloing. If you're planning to *mostly* solo, then I think the Ranger 6 "splash" is the slam-dunk choice. But the nearly-all-Rogue build often has better DPS in a party situation, where you usually CAN maintain SA status.

[Thanimal]

also

is monk level 1 or is rogue level 1

and when do i grab the monk level?

First one's easy: Rogue at level 1 is better because you get more skill points.

Grabbing the Monk level can really be anywhere. Maybe wait until your WIS (including items) is around 16 or so, where the benefit is really noticeable.

[Thrice]

Thanks ima give the 10/6 rogue ranger a try

[Thrice]

well considering the level max isn't 20 yet

X_X

and idont have my first 16 yet either.

so what should i grab at what level. help me there please

[Thanimal]

Follow Impaqt's build (linked previously) except for the changes I suggested for 28-points (linked previously).

[Thrice]

your missing my point...

Theres no level 20 builds for the fact you cant get level 20 yet....

[Thrice]

nevermind i get it sorry lol :/

[wamjratl1]

Not sure where you got THAT impression. 2 extra feats (since TWF and iTWF are granted), 10% increase in attack rate, +4 damage vs. favored enemies, Ram's Might, significantly improved saving throws, 2 extra points of AC (when not using a Shield wand on yourself), and a little better BAB and HP. This is some great stuff. However, it is not free: you give up 3d6 of your SA damage. Just wanted to note that the extra attack speed will at least make up for, if not surpass, the lost 3d6 sneak attack. Which brings me to:



These are somewhat opposite when considering a Rogue. The Ranger 6 build should have significantly better soloability, because its damage output when you DON'T have sneak attack status is far better. Perhaps even more importantly, it allows full use of Cure Wands -- absolutely critical for soloing. If you're planning to *mostly* solo, then I think the Ranger 6 "splash" is the slam-dunk choice. But the nearly-all-Rogue build often has better DPS in a party situation, where you usually CAN maintain SA status.


Just to reiterate what Thanimal is saying, you get A LOT for 6 levels of ranger (no one has mentioned no-fail cure wand useage, which is big, esp. at early levels.)

[Thriand]

First one's easy: Rogue at level 1 is better because you get more skill points.

Grabbing the Monk level can really be anywhere. Maybe wait until your WIS (including items) is around 16 or so, where the benefit is really noticeable.

I like to take the monk level at 16, because you won't be able to take GTWF if you take it earlier in a 15/1 build (until level 18 of course but who knows when mod 9 will get here) You have to spend a couple of cross class skill points to keep your rogue skills maxed out that way, or just wait til next mod to bring your rogue skills back up, but either way GTWF is worth it to me.

[Thanimal]

I like to take the monk level at 16, because you won't be able to take GTWF if you take it earlier in a 15/1 build (until level 18 of course but who knows when mod 9 will get here) You have to spend a couple of cross class skill points to keep your rogue skills maxed out that way, or just wait til next mod to bring your rogue skills back up, but either way GTWF is worth it to me.

VERY good point. If doing all Rogue except 1-Monk level, significantly delaying gTWF could be very undesirable, especially if the focus is on DPS.

I believe OP settled on 13/6/1, but for 19/1 you make a very compelling suggestion.

[Thriand]

VERY good point. If doing all Rogue except 1-Monk level, significantly delaying gTWF could be very undesirable, especially if the focus is on DPS.

I believe OP settled on 13/6/1, but for 19/1 you make a very compelling suggestion.

Well with then 13/6/1 as long as you take your 6 ranger levels before 15 you can pick it up so its a non issue