wrongfully accused platfarmers?

[edaciousx]

Has anyone here been Wrongfully accused of platfarming?

What did you do and were you able to get your account back?

The reason I ask is because someone I know has been accused of being a platfarmer and lost his accounts.

If he really Farmed Plat then I wouldn't care... but he also has two of my WoP rapiers.

It's just very annoying, he deserves to be banned more than half the time but the rest he just doesn't deserve what hapens to him. I feel this is incredibly unfair and it also pretty much angers and frustrates me.

[Uska]

Not sure where but I think there is a phone number here somewhere for customer service find it for your friend and have him call them as they wont discuss any disipline actions here. Good luck to you and your friend

[edaciousx]

unfortunately that number is for account management and NOT game support. game support is all dealt IN game. how are you suppose to fight against being wrongfully accused of plat farming if you are deemed a plat farmer?

[InfidelofHaLL]

unfortunately that number is for account management and NOT game support. game support is all dealt IN game. how are you suppose to fight against being wrongfully accused of plat farming if you are deemed a plat farmer?

cuz account managment is who bans the accounts

[edaciousx]

dude... account management deals with the financial aspects of the game.

if account management deals with banning, then why are they directing my friend to in game supporT?

[Enochroot]

Has anyone here been Wrongfully accused of platfarming?

What did you do and were you able to get your account back?

The reason I ask is because someone I know has been accused of being a platfarmer and lost his accounts.

If he really Farmed Plat then I wouldn't care... but he also has two of my WoP rapiers.

It's just very annoying, he deserves to be banned more than half the time but the rest he just doesn't deserve what hapens to him. I feel this is incredibly unfair and it also pretty much angers and frustrates me.


How do you get accused of platfarming? I don't think it's the farming of the plat that's the problem (unless loot runs are illegal now)? Is this the same someone who's been banned many times before?

[soupertc]

are you sure he didn't get accused of maybe buying Plat from a plat farmer and not "Being" the Plat farmer. Maybe your not getting the full story from the one who is banned.

and by no means am I saying I know the story of what went down.

[Greydeath]

are you sure he didn't get accused of maybe buying Plat from a plat farmer and not "Being" the Plat farmer. Maybe your not getting the full story from the one who is banned.

None of them were buying or selling plat.

[edaciousx]

are you sure he didn't get accused of maybe buying Plat from a plat farmer and not "Being" the Plat farmer. Maybe your not getting the full story from the one who is banned.

and by no means am I saying I know the story of what went down.

when you run as many quests with one person as I do, you know for a fact that other person isn't plat farming cause your wallet should grow roughly at the same pace. my wallet is not ballin, so how the heck could his wallet be ballin?

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

unfortunately that number is for account management and NOT game support. game support is all dealt IN game. how are you suppose to fight against being wrongfully accused of plat farming if you are deemed a plat farmer?

you could try getting them to email TurbineSupportExperience@Turbine.com

Garth

[soupertc]

when you run as many quests with one person as I do, you know for a fact that other person isn't plat farming cause your wallet should grow roughly at the same pace. my wallet is not ballin, so how the heck could his wallet be ballin?

I never said he was farmin.....I think I know said player and I know him to be a player not a farmer. As I said I don't know the story.....but the chances of them just banning on what they think he might be doesn't jibe well. Hope you can get your stuff back.

[Aranticus]

this post is wrong on so many levels


nom

i have chinese players in my guild who are still playing and have never faced such situations describe. if you ever play in khyber, ask around for the farmers and many of us can point you direct to them. after playing for 2+ yr, most of us can instantly spot them from the way they group, the quests they run, the names they use and the way they build their toons

have we tried reporting them? i know i have but nothing is done even when i got a screenshot of them acknowledging them for who they are. given all these bits data and experiences, i think it safe to assume that turbine isnt very quick on banning farmers (plat tell spammers are a different issue)

given the banning recieved, i can only wonder what transpired. just listening to one side of the story and trying to incite more flame is childish and irresponsible

[Sneakee]

It's just very annoying, he deserves to be banned more than half the time but the rest he just doesn't deserve what hapens to him. I feel this is incredibly unfair and it also pretty much angers and frustrates me.

?? Does this actually make sense??

[Quanefel]

this post is wrong on so many levels



i have chinese players in my guild who are still playing and have never faced such situations describe. if you ever play in khyber, ask around for the farmers and many of us can point you direct to them. after playing for 2+ yr, most of us can instantly spot them from the way they group, the quests they run, the names they use and the way they build their toons

have we tried reporting them? i know i have but nothing is done even when i got a screenshot of them acknowledging them for who they are. given all these bits data and experiences, i think it safe to assume that turbine isnt very quick on banning farmers (plat tell spammers are a different issue)

given the banning recieved, i can only wonder what transpired. just listening to one side of the story and trying to incite more flame is childish and irresponsible

No amount of proof or reporting them will make a real difference. Turbine gets money from the farming accounts so there is no incentive for them to ban them.

[Greydeath]

this post is wrong on so many levels
Actually YOUR post is wrong on multiple levels. Mine however, is not. Since you clearly have absolutely no fracking clue, you would be wise to refrain from your childish and irresponsible behaviour.

If you have been playing as long as you claim, and that seems unlikely, then you will recall the few times Turbine has hit back against the farmers through IPs.

We are not claiming that EVERY Chinese player (or all foriegn players) use the same proxy (and thus have identical IPs). But those that have shared an IP with a farmer are treated as being farmers themselves - just as if you post on the forums from the IP of someone that was banned, your forum account will be banned too.

[FluffyCalico]

just as if you post on the forums from the IP of someone that was banned, your forum account will be banned too.

negative I know 4-5 people with multiple accounts where 1 is banned on the forums and the other is not. Same IP for both accounts.

Also the second your forum account is banned you can put in trial access and post in the trial area with a different name.

[Hokiewa]

negative I know 4-5 people with multiple accounts where 1 is banned on the forums and the other is not. Same IP for both accounts.

Also the second your forum account is banned you can put in trial access and post in the trial area with a different name.

This is correct. Grey unless your the player in question, how do you know for absolute certainty that the player was banned inappropriately? Answer, you don't. I'm rarely on the Turbine bandwagon, but with sub levels the way they are, I highly doubt random bannings are being executed.

[Aranticus]

Actually YOUR post is wrong on multiple levels. Mine however, is not. Since you clearly have absolutely no fracking clue, you would be wise to refrain from your childish and irresponsible behaviour.

If you have been playing as long as you claim, and that seems unlikely, then you will recall the few times Turbine has hit back against the farmers through IPs.

We are not claiming that EVERY Chinese player (or all foriegn players) use the same proxy (and thus have identical IPs). But those that have shared an IP with a farmer are treated as being farmers themselves - just as if you post on the forums from the IP of someone that was banned, your forum account will be banned too.

obviously you are being ignorant as well

ask the forum "oldies" or the chinese players. their accounts are not banned at all, instead, turbine just blocked off entire IPs from which many of the plat farmers can be traced. banning IP and banning account are 2 entirely different things

oh wait, maybe you just dunno the difference of an account from an IP

ps: my posting statistics is the basis of my claim. what of yours?

[Thrudh]

It's just very annoying, he deserves to be banned more than half the time but the rest he just doesn't deserve what hapens to him.

What does this mean?

[edaciousx]

What does this mean?

this means that it is common knowledge the he is an ******* to 50% of the players on sarlona, it's no surprise. You only don't know that information if you are new to sarlona or don't play on sarlona.

Hence, his attitude half of the time produces appropriate responses (banning). The other half, well those are just people who are being nit picky and hate the guy and do everything possible to get him banned.

Normal things you and I would not be banned for will get HIM banned. It is a bit outrageous but somewhat understandable.

This most recent incident is absolutely over stepping the bounds.

And to clarify... first he was BANNED for 30 days. Then he had his accounts DEACTIVATED for plat farming. Now, turbine won't respond to his inquiries as to why he got banned. They have been giving him the run around and are pretty much treating him like a piece of **** customer. I mean seriously, he pays out the yin yang for accounts, turbine sould give him a little bit more respect as a customer.






This problem with him is seriously making me reconsider my future with turbine. As much as I love the game, I feel that turbine treats their customers like ****. And yes, I am referring to more than one player this time.

[Aranticus]

this means that it is common knowledge the he is an ******* to 50% of the players on sarlona, it's no surprise. You only don't know that information if you are new to sarlona or don't play on sarlona.

Hence, his attitude half of the time produces appropriate responses (banning). The other half, well those are just people who are being nit picky and hate the guy and do everything possible to get him banned.

Normal things you and I would not be banned for will get HIM banned. It is a bit outrageous but somewhat understandable.

This most recent incident is absolutely over stepping the bounds.

And to clarify... first he was BANNED for 30 days. Then he had his accounts DEACTIVATED for plat farming. Now, turbine won't respond to his inquiries as to why he got banned. They have been giving him the run around and are pretty much treating him like a piece of **** customer. I mean seriously, he pays out the yin yang for accounts, turbine sould give him a little bit more respect as a customer.

This problem with him is seriously making me reconsider my future with turbine. As much as I love the game, I feel that turbine treats their customers like ****. And yes, I am referring to more than one player this time.

this post stemmed because you had 2 wop with him and you want them back. since that guy's account is banned it means you have no way of retrieving them and thats why you are mad at turbine. your OP and subsequent posts brings up a horde of suspicions

1. what were the 2 wop doing with him?

2. if you lent it to him, then you must consider him a friend. if so, why didnt you advise him in his behavior?

3. if they were part of an uncompleted trade, then why did you still trade with him given his infamy?

4. turbine is seldom wrong with account banning (so far the players i know that got banned really deserved it). if they were right, what assurances did you have that this guy was trying to sell the wops?

5. you said you ran alot with that guy and your wallet isnt balling. if you really played as much as you claim then your wallet should be over flowing (i have 10 characters, 10 shrouds = 5 hrs, assuming drop rate of 1.5 large per run = 15 larges, assuming statistical distribution = 2 large scales = 500k pp not counting other loot)

6. if people is trying to get him banned and is not successful, doesnt that show turbine's policy?

i have my fair share of brushes with turbines police and in each instance, they were fair. plat farming could be another issue all together since so much is needed to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. it could be he was really banned for his ingame antics and the people who banned him accidentally put in the wrong reason

take this piece of advice from me. come mod 9 your wops are going to be useless anyways (if mod 9 ever comes)

ps i bought a wop for 8-10mpp approx trade just before the nerf was being announced

[Thrudh]

this means that it is common knowledge the he is an ******* to 50% of the players on sarlona, it's no surprise. You only don't know that information if you are new to sarlona or don't play on sarlona.

Hence, his attitude half of the time produces appropriate responses (banning). The other half, well those are just people who are being nit picky and hate the guy and do everything possible to get him banned.

Normal things you and I would not be banned for will get HIM banned. It is a bit outrageous but somewhat understandable.

This most recent incident is absolutely over stepping the bounds.

And to clarify... first he was BANNED for 30 days. Then he had his accounts DEACTIVATED for plat farming. Now, turbine won't respond to his inquiries as to why he got banned. They have been giving him the run around and are pretty much treating him like a piece of **** customer. I mean seriously, he pays out the yin yang for accounts, turbine sould give him a little bit more respect as a customer.






This problem with him is seriously making me reconsider my future with turbine. As much as I love the game, I feel that turbine treats their customers like ****. And yes, I am referring to more than one player this time.

I'm confused... If he's an ass 50% of the time, then I think they should perma-ban him... I'm glad they banned him... Why should Turbine treat him with respect if he's been banned numerous times?

So he steals from a store 5 times, the sixth time he's accused even though he didn't steal that time, and he has the gall to be upset and cry foul??

Sounds like he reaped what he sowed...

Turbine gives the benefit of the doubt to everyone else... He lost that priviledge...

[Enochroot]

I'm confused... If he's an ass 50% of the time, then I think they should perma-ban him... I'm glad they banned him... Why should Turbine treat him with respect if he's been banned numerous times?

So he steals from a store 5 times, the sixth time he's accused even though he didn't steal that time, and he has the gall to be upset and cry foul??

Sounds like he reaped what he sowed...

Turbine gives the benefit of the doubt to everyone else... He lost that priviledge...


You're glad they banned someone you don't know, for reasons you don't know? I wish they'd ban you now, fascist. He's one of the best, most ... entertaining players on the server.

I don't even care if he's selling plat, flaming noobs, or killing small puppies. He makes the game more FUN. I guess you'd rather play on a server full of incompetent noobs that don't use voice chat or have anything remotely interesting to say?

Now, my original question was how did it happen, because he probably did deserve it. But he doesn't deserve it just because he's done it before. You're implying that all criminals deserve repeat, fallacious arrests because they've been caught before. Or at least, don't deserve not to be arrested. That's insanity.

[Aranticus]

You're glad they banned someone you don't know, for reasons you don't know? I wish they'd ban you now, fascist. He's one of the best, most ... entertaining players on the server.

I don't even care if he's selling plat, flaming noobs, or killing small puppies. He makes the game more FUN. I guess you'd rather play on a server full of incompetent noobs that don't use voice chat or have anything remotely interesting to say?

Now, my original question was how did it happen, because he probably did deserve it. But he doesn't deserve it just because he's done it before. You're implying that all criminals deserve repeat, fallacious arrests because they've been caught before. Or at least, don't deserve not to be arrested. That's insanity.

nah i think the correct analogy used should be: he has been emblezzling company funds for so long without being caught and finally the long hand of law reached him

as to your remark of making the game fun. a lot of things are fun in RL but is illegal does that mean as long as its fun, its ok? there can be tasteful entertainment ;)

[Indrn_Fretgoop]

shurgar is a hax platz farmer! He knows chinese!:D:eek:

[Aranticus]

shurgar is a hax platz farmer! He knows chinese!:D:eek:

u need lessons? 100k plat per hr! :D

[Enochroot]

nah i think the correct analogy used should be: he has been emblezzling company funds for so long without being caught and finally the long hand of law reached him

as to your remark of making the game fun. a lot of things are fun in RL but is illegal does that mean as long as its fun, its ok? there can be tasteful entertainment ;)

Your "correct" analogy implies he has actually been doing something wrong this time. Which, as previously stated, *looks* to be an "incorrect" analogy. So try again.

This is a game, if it's fun, it's preferred by me. Is it tasteful? My bible-thumping (RIP) grandmother would say we're all going to hell for even looking at a forum page with some sort of witch on it.

Would I have a problem if he were doing something totally cheater? Such as wall-hax or other things? Yes, because that would detract from my fun. If it doesn't, I could care less. Perhaps the case can be made he's detracting from other people's fun. Fine, just don't group with him. There are plenty of people on the server I try not to group with because I don't have fun with them, but I wouldn't try to get them banned. That's just being an ass.

[Aranticus]

Your "correct" analogy implies he has actually been doing something wrong this time. Which, as previously stated, *looks* to be an "incorrect" analogy. So try again.

and you assuming he has never sold or bought plat is the truth. so far the only truth we have is from a player who stated that turbine banned him for being a plat farmer. going by the precedence set by previous posts similar to this, more often than not, turbine does not usually make mistakes

This is a game, if it's fun, it's preferred by me. Is it tasteful? My bible-thumping (RIP) grandmother would say we're all going to hell for even looking at a forum page with some sort of witch on it.

to each his own but until you own the rights to the game, turbine rules are still the rules. dun agree with the rules, dun play. want to play, abide by the rules. doesnt abide, dun cry when caught

Would I have a problem if he were doing something totally cheater? Such as wall-hax or other things? Yes, because that would detract from my fun. If it doesn't, I could care less. Perhaps the case can be made he's detracting from other people's fun. Fine, just don't group with him. There are plenty of people on the server I try not to group with because I don't have fun with them, but I wouldn't try to get them banned. That's just being an ass.

if you look from the flipside, if he has been detracting fun from a lot of people and when they report him, its not them for being asses. its him who is an ass. anyways, we are getting deeper into cube's sewer. let him solve it with turbine. if he gets back, as a friend remind him that not all players tolerate his behavior. raising his awareness can improve not just his fun but the others as well. if he doesnt come back, then i wish him fun in whichever game he adopts next

[Thrudh]

You're glad they banned someone you don't know, for reasons you don't know? I wish they'd ban you now, fascist. He's one of the best, most ... entertaining players on the server.

Going by what you told me... He's a jerk to 50% of the population... He's been banned before... Yeah I'm glad he's perma-banned now...

FYI, you need to look up the word fascist.


I don't even care if he's selling plat, flaming noobs, or killing small puppies. He makes the game more FUN. I guess you'd rather play on a server full of incompetent noobs that don't use voice chat or have anything remotely interesting to say?

He obviously doesn't make the game more fun for everyone...


Now, my original question was how did it happen, because he probably did deserve it. But he doesn't deserve it just because he's done it before. You're implying that all criminals deserve repeat, fallacious arrests because they've been caught before. Or at least, don't deserve not to be arrested. That's insanity.

He may not have deserved it this time... However, his pleas of innocence are unlikely to be believed, and that's his own fault. A criminal who gets arrested for robbing 5 liquor stores is not likely to believed when he claims he didn't rob the sixth one (even if true). That's a direct consequence of him robbing the 5 liquor stores before...

Fair? Nope... Life ain't fair... Better get used to it, kid...

I would recommend not robbing ANY liquor stores or getting banned even once... Makes life a lot easier...

[Thrudh]

Perhaps the case can be made he's detracting from other people's fun. Fine, just don't group with him. There are plenty of people on the server I try not to group with because I don't have fun with them, but I wouldn't try to get them banned. That's just being an ass.

Dude, it takes a lot to get banned even once, let alone a perm-ban.... Sounds like your friend has a learning disability... He's been banned before but he keeps doing the actions that get him banned... If he can't learn to stop, then the only recourse is to ban him forever...

[Enochroot]

if you look from the flipside, if he has been detracting fun from a lot of people and when they report him, its not them for being asses. its him who is an ass. anyways, we are getting deeper into cube's sewer. let him solve it with turbine. if he gets back, as a friend remind him that not all players tolerate his behavior. raising his awareness can improve not just his fun but the others as well. if he doesnt come back, then i wish him fun in whichever game he adopts next

How can you quote in red assumptions that have not been out-lined in the thread? You're disagreeing with me based on things you're making up? What's the point of having a conversation about made-up assumptions? If it turns out that the OP is lying, just go ahead and say that.

Rubbing people the wrong way is now against the rules? Because other than that, there's been nothing explicitly posted in this thread indicating anything against the rules has occurred. Of course, you're assuming guilt by past behaviour, which I've already argued to be a huge mistake in society. Unless you disagree with that?

[Enochroot]

Dude, it takes a lot to get banned even once, let alone a perm-ban.... Sounds like your friend has a learning disability... He's been banned before but he keeps doing the actions that get him banned... If he can't learn to stop, then the only recourse is to ban him forever...

You avoid the point made previously you think he deserves it just because he's been banned before, even if he's done nothing wrong now.

[Thrudh]

You avoid the point made previously you think he deserves it just because he's been banned before, even if he's done nothing wrong now.

I'm saying I'm more likely to believe that Turbine got it right, as opposed to your assertion that he did nothing wrong (How do you know? Are you him and this is your second account?)

He's obviously done bannable things before... Makes it pretty easy to believe he did another bannable thing this time. Why are you taking his word for it?

Turbine may even be just tired of investigating him.. He may have been banned enough times that even a report from someone else was enough for Turbine to throw up their hands and say "You know, this guy is NOT worth the trouble"...

Again, life ain't fair... better learn that now...

[Enochroot]

I'm saying I'm more likely to believe that Turbine got it right, as opposed to your assertion that he did nothing wrong (How do you know? Are you him and this is your second account?)

He's obviously done bannable things before... Makes it pretty easy to believe he did another bannable thing this time. Why are you taking his word for it?

Turbine may even be just tired of investigating him.. He may have been banned enough times that even a report from someone else was enough for Turbine to throw up their hands and say "You know, this guy is NOT worth the trouble"...

Again, life ain't fair... better learn that now...

I just pray you're not a judge.

[Thrudh]

I just pray you're not a judge.

Heh, one last time... Life ain't fair... Plenty of judges (humans) will not give a repeat offender a fair shake...

Don't trust in the fairness of the system.

Instead of expecting a fair judge, do your best to not end up in front of any judges...

[Aranticus]

How can you quote in red assumptions that have not been out-lined in the thread? You're disagreeing with me based on things you're making up? What's the point of having a conversation about made-up assumptions? If it turns out that the OP is lying, just go ahead and say that.

Rubbing people the wrong way is now against the rules? Because other than that, there's been nothing explicitly posted in this thread indicating anything against the rules has occurred. Of course, you're assuming guilt by past behaviour, which I've already argued to be a huge mistake in society. Unless you disagree with that?

because you are new (as shown by your join date), i'll just drop in 1 more time to point out to you certain styles of posting. the style i used here is the devils advocate. read up more here

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/devil%27s_advocate

also i suggest you read the forum and game rules. its painfully obvious that you either do not know the rules or you simply disregard them


1. While participating in the Game you must respect the rights of others to play and enjoy the game world as intended by Turbine, Inc. ("Turbine").

3.You may not use or distribute sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive language (including, by way of example, but not limited to, ethnic slurs and religious epithets), content, character names, titles, descriptions, or in-game labels (including, by way of example, but not limited to, offensive or inappropriate guild names, pet names and inscriptions).

8. You may not violate any local, state, national, or international laws or regulations.

20. You may not harass other players or Turbine staff, including by way of example, but not limited to, threats, stalking or abuse of others.

these are just some of the rules pertaining to a conduct of the player. for the full list, read this

http://forums.ddo.com/announcement.php?f=79&a=4

[Enochroot]

because you are new (as shown by your join date), i'll just drop in 1 more time to point out to you certain styles of posting. the style i used here is the devils advocate. read up more here

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/devil%27s_advocate

also i suggest you read the forum and game rules. its painfully obvious that you either do not know the rules or you simply disregard them



these are just some of the rules pertaining to a conduct of the player. for the full list, read this

http://forums.ddo.com/announcement.php?f=79&a=4

Well, I am "new" to the forums, but not to the game, so I hope you're not implying that. Not to mention new doesn't mean wrong.

And I'm sorry, but "rubbing people the wrong way" is not on your list of rules. Or am I breaking the rules? Which rule am I breaking? Unless you're talking about the extremely vague rule #1.

Or perhaps you think the word "fascist" is a bad word. My roomate from university got kicked out of housing for calling an authority figure a fascist. Well, I disagree.

I don't *think* I'm violating any regulations, I hope not, or Singapore will fine the hell out of me.

I'm not sure who's being harassed, threatened, or stalked.

[Enochroot]

Heh, one last time... Life ain't fair... Plenty of judges (humans) will not give a repeat offender a fair shake...

Don't trust in the fairness of the system.

Instead of expecting a fair judge, do your best to not end up in front of any judges...

Oh, you're still pushing your point?

So because the system isn't fair, you should hold un-just attitudes towards others? Or because it's un-fair, I shouldn't pray for fair people to be in power?

I'm not sure exactly where you think I've said the system IS fair, or that I expect this decision to be reversed. Or where I haven't done my best not to end up in front of a judge. None of this explains why you would hold such an un-just attitude.

I certainly don't trust in YOUR fairness now, anyway. Especially as your only defense seems to be attacking my "ignorance" of the "system". Hm, Aranticus as well ... odd pattern.

[Uska]

You avoid the point made previously you think he deserves it just because he's been banned before, even if he's done nothing wrong now.

He had to do something if he was banned period he may have told you some story but game companies dont make a habit of banning people even temporary without just cause.

[edaciousx]

this post stemmed because you had 2 wop with him and you want them back. since that guy's account is banned it means you have no way of retrieving them and thats why you are mad at turbine. your OP and subsequent posts brings up a horde of suspicions

1. what were the 2 wop doing with him?

He asked to borrow them, I said sure no problem.

2. if you lent it to him, then you must consider him a friend. if so, why didnt you advise him in his behavior?

Do you think I didn't?

3. if they were part of an uncompleted trade, then why did you still trade with him given his infamy?

You asked this question yet you reasoned that I consider him a friend. "if you lent it to him, then you must consider him a friend." You answered your own question before you asked. It was not a trade.

4. turbine is seldom wrong with account banning (so far the players i know that got banned really deserved it). if they were right, what assurances did you have that this guy was trying to sell the wops?

I was fine with his account getting banned, not fine with his account getting deactivated for plat farming. He's not selling the wops because he cannot log on to his account. His last account was perma-banned for the exact same behavior and thus started a new account which now was deactivated.

5. you said you ran alot with that guy and your wallet isnt balling. if you really played as much as you claim then your wallet should be over flowing (i have 10 characters, 10 shrouds = 5 hrs, assuming drop rate of 1.5 large per run = 15 larges, assuming statistical distribution = 2 large scales = 500k pp not counting other loot)

Playing the game is not the same as farming the game. We play the game, we don't farm. I've never sold any of my ingredients from shroud.

6. if people is trying to get him banned and is not successful, doesnt that show turbine's policy?

No, because things you and I would get slapped on the wrist for he gets more severe punishment.

i have my fair share of brushes with turbines police and in each instance, they were fair. plat farming could be another issue all together since so much is needed to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. it could be he was really banned for his ingame antics and the people who banned him accidentally put in the wrong reason

Seriously i guess everything must be explained to you. I'm pretty darn sure that Turbine knows exactly who this is and is tired of people reporting him for every little thing. So, I suspect they just decided to make up some BS and deactivate his account for that.

take this piece of advice from me. come mod 9 your wops are going to be useless anyways (if mod 9 ever comes)

ps i bought a wop for 8-10mpp approx trade just before the nerf was being announced

well congrats on that purchase, I bought a wop for 500k plat about a month ago. Still, my wops are my wops... I lent it to a friend who has returned it to me more than several different occasions. Its still my property no matter how good or bad it is.

[Uska]

I just pray you're not a judge.

On I dont know sounds like he might be pretty fair and more inclined to listen then even say judge Judy( man she sure wont listen sometimes)

[edaciousx]

There were just so many dumb things said here that makes no sense.


Ok, so who would you trust more? A company you know little about or a friend you've been a friend with for over a year and hang out with all the time?

Why would he lie to me about this banable offense when he's explained all the other offenses to US. why owuld he tell the truth about all the previous bans and not this one?

Now i suppose you will say "how do you know he is telling you the truth"

well quit being lame and realize that you are now questioning every single action anyone takes in the world. How do you know turbine is being honest? How do I know YOU don't work for turbine and is trying to prove some kind of motive Turbine has?

Seriously now.... They are saying that one of his accounts is linked to an IP that is a known plat farmer.


So, if I go down my block and logon and play ddo from a public internet cafe that is a "known plat farmer ip" then that means I'm a plat farmer because I logon ddo from an internet cafe???

Seriously now... where's your ability to think critically.

I am upset because this time Turbine is not following their own policies and is doing what they feel they should do instead of doing what they are SUPPOSE to do.


And I know wop rapiers are not going to be all that next mod, so i'm not too mad about that. Just about the **** turbine is pulling.

[Thrudh]

My roomate from university got kicked out of housing for calling an authority figure a fascist.

Yeah I bet THAT's why he got kicked out...

[Caine52184]

No amount of proof or reporting them will make a real difference. Turbine gets money from the farming accounts so there is no incentive for them to ban them.


Agreed...Turbine has to have something to do with the plat farmers..if not they would stop it. Right?..seems to make sense to me? Anyhow..for a player to be "farming" plat for their own use..cant be a problem? That just doenst make sense? And..ive talked to players in game that have purchased plat with real money and they were never banned. The only people that Ive known to get banned were people that violated other rules.

[Kingfish]

I've had two guildmates back in the day get banned for buying plat...so it does happen. Both quit but one of the two did finally come back and restart from scratch, I see him occasionally on the forums under his 'new' name. So I KNOW it happens.

As for a griefer getting banned. I like it. Too many asses in this(and the real world) game anyway. If you can't be polite and treat each other with some respect or at LEAST indifference, what good are you? Now I'm not talking about RPing...if this was a RPing guild, it should have been expressed earlier. But if you're idea of 'fun' is causing other people problems, you should find a different game, try AoC or EVE...their is a huge population of PITAs in those games, you can fit in nicely there.

[Lymnus]

I've got accidentally flagged as one.

But, an admin sent me a tell, basically asking. Typically, plat farmers won't reply. So, they'll more often than not send a tell.

[Enochroot]

Yeah I bet THAT's why he got kicked out...

It was in the report, along with saying "hello" in a "menacing" manner. No joke.

[weyoun]

You're glad they banned someone you don't know, for reasons you don't know? I wish they'd ban you now, fascist. He's one of the best, most ... entertaining players on the server.

I don't even care if he's selling plat, flaming noobs, or killing small puppies. He makes the game more FUN. I guess you'd rather play on a server full of incompetent noobs that don't use voice chat or have anything remotely interesting to say?

Now, my original question was how did it happen, because he probably did deserve it. But he doesn't deserve it just because he's done it before. You're implying that all criminals deserve repeat, fallacious arrests because they've been caught before. Or at least, don't deserve not to be arrested. That's insanity.

LOLZ. So true.

[Thrudh]

It was in the report, along with saying "hello" in a "menacing" manner. No joke.


And??? What else??

or did the report read like this...

"Student said Hello in a menancing manner, and he called me a fascist."

Kick him out!

I'm guessing there's a lot you're leaving out there...

Look, follow the rules or face the consequences... Your idiot friend who got kicked out of housing decided he didn't want to follow the rules... That's normal for a teen-ager/early 20s... We all go through that...

Most of us realize, wow the punishment sucked/cost me a lot of money... maybe breaking the rules isn't worth it...

No one cares about your friend here who got banned... Turbine quite likely got tired of dealing with an idiot who got warned, temp-banned several times, then perm-banned, and STILL came back with a new account with the same attitude and same actions. So he didn't get a fair trial.

It's the way the world works... People don't like asses and are less likely to give them a fair shake. Especially when we're talking about a private company's game... We're not talking about a trial for murder here.

[Enochroot]

And??? What else??

or did the report read like this...

"Student said Hello in a menancing manner, and he called me a fascist."

Kick him out!

I'm guessing there's a lot you're leaving out there...

Look, follow the rules or face the consequences... Your idiot friend who got kicked out of housing decided he didn't want to follow the rules... That's normal for a teen-ager/early 20s... We all go through that...

Most of us realize, wow the punishment sucked/cost me a lot of money... maybe breaking the rules isn't worth it...

No one cares about your friend here who got banned... Turbine quite likely got tired of dealing with an idiot who got warned, temp-banned several times, then perm-banned, and STILL came back with a new account with the same attitude and same actions. So he didn't get a fair trial.

It's the way the world works... People don't like asses and are less likely to give them a fair shake. Especially when we're talking about a private company's game... We're not talking about a trial for murder here.

You're still going with this? Even though you've said something unjustifiable? Now you're attacking my college roomate who you know nothing about?

Yes, it's how it works. I know this, thanks. But it doesn't justify your attitude that lawbreakers should be convicted with no evidence, other than they've previously committed crimes. Does it happen? Yes. Should it happen? No.

Stop pretending you're so wise when you clearly can't defend that position.

[Thrudh]

You're still going with this? Even though you've said something unjustifiable? Now you're attacking my college roomate who you know nothing about?

Yes, it's how it works. I know this, thanks. But it doesn't justify your attitude that lawbreakers should be convicted with no evidence, other than they've previously committed crimes. Does it happen? Yes. Should it happen? No.

Stop pretending you're so wise when you clearly can't defend that position.

Whatever dude, you only gave 10% of the story about your college roommate, and you're only giving us part of the story about your banned friend...

You can cry foul all you want, but this is just a game run by a private company (They can ban whoever they want whenever they want for zero reason at all), and no one cares about justice for an obvious jerk...

[Enochroot]

Whatever dude, you only gave 10% of the story about your college roommate, and you're only giving us part of the story about your banned friend...

You can cry foul all you want, but this is just a game run by a private company (They can ban whoever they want whenever they want for zero reason at all), and no one cares about justice for an obvious jerk...

Stop making things up and admit your original point was wrong. You have no idea if it's 10%, and I didn't even START this story about "my banned friend", of which I have NO details except what's in this thread.

Or keeping bashing people you have no reason to bash. What goes around comes around, hopefully.

[Thrudh]

You have no idea if it's 10%

Well. what you presented sure isn't 100%.


My roomate from university got kicked out of housing for calling an authority figure a fascist.

There's definitely more to that story.... :)

[Enochroot]

Well. what you presented sure isn't 100%.



There's definitely more to that story.... :)

Get back on topic - I dare you.

The roomate story was meant for a laugh, but clearly you're obtuse.

[Thrudh]

I am upset because this time Turbine is not following their own policies and is doing what they feel they should do instead of doing what they are SUPPOSE to do.

Same as your friend right? He was doing what he felt like doing instead of doing what he was supposed to be doing... So Turbine breaks the rules, and they're evil, your friend breaks the rules (over and over) and he was just having fun.

Guess the game changed, and your friend lost. You now have the opportunity to punish Turbine for breaking their own rules... you can quit paying them.



Get back on topic - I dare you.

Happy?

Me, I don't care what Turbine does to a moron who gets himself banned (temp and perm) multiple times and never changes his actions...

[Farroo]

Is it just me or is it not fairly clear that the OP and "friend" are one in the same? :eek:

[edaciousx]

Same as your friend right? He was doing what he felt like doing instead of doing what he was supposed to be doing... So Turbine breaks the rules, and they're evil, your friend breaks the rules (over and over) and he was just having fun.

Guess the game changed, and your friend lost. You now have the opportunity to punish Turbine for breaking their own rules... you can quit paying them.




Happy?

Me, I don't care what Turbine does to a moron who gets himself banned (temp and perm) multiple times and never changes his actions...

stop cluttering this thread with your useless contribution to the topic.

the issue here is turbine is not following turbine rules.

I am a paying customer and it bothers me that they break their own rules. Of course they want people to follow their rules, but it sets a presedence when turbine expects others to follow a book of rules when they can't even follow their own book.

Still, turbine has not responded to my friend who was wrongfully accused as a plat farmer. Turbine can easily exercise other clauses they have in their book and not break their rules if they wanted to get rid of him. First time he was PERMANENTLY BANNED that was fine I didn't complain.

This time he was (not permanently) banned then a day later all his accounts were DEACTIVATED due to being linked with PLAT FARMING. These are the facts, you complain about not getting 100% facts yet you can't even read what i've been stating over and over.

[shuzgeocities]

yīzhǒng yǔyán yǒngyuǎn bùgòu

The cake has spoken! Sarlona has lost a veteran player and a server fixture.

[edaciousx]

My friend keeps callign turbine's support numbers and all they say is

"We cannot discuss this, with you. Wait for an email response."

Then they tell him to hang up the phone.

The thing is, WHEN is he going to get an email response? in 2012??

[Greydeath]

Grey unless your the player in question, how do you know for absolute certainty that the player was banned inappropriately? Answer, you don't. I'm rarely on the Turbine bandwagon, but with sub levels the way they are, I highly doubt random bannings are being executed.

I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that he has sat next to me and I have read the Turbine emails... but in any event, as was explained, the banning was not random - merely typical Turbine incompetence:


Your account has been banned because it shares a CC number with known plat farmers.

Your account has been banned because it has accessed the game from the same IP as known plat farmers.

Neither of which actually MAKES you a plat farmer :rolleyes:


So the guy is good enough to pay for someone else's account, which is not only allowed but encouraged, and then when that account uses the same IP as a known/suspected plat farmer, then every account must be a farmer. RIGHT...

Whether, all 'YOUR' Chinese 'friends' were affected or not is irrelevant - although given the attitude in this thread, I suspect more than just some of you do NOT even know a real Chinese player - on Sarlona, ours have been wiped out. None of them were farmers, merely the fact that they all used the same proxy server. Then because Turbine no longer sells game cards and this guy is good enough to pay for his friends' accounts he suddenly is a farmer too? RIGHT...

I can only hope that some of you LAN so that you can experience this level of absurdity as well. :(


For reference...
"Turbine has no problem with a customer wanting to pay for another customer's account. In fact we are very enthusiastic and excited that our customers enjoy our games so much they would like to keep help out a friend in need and keep them in the game."

[edaciousx]

still no email from turbine.

[fishbai8]

lol bump

[bugeyed]

Still no response from Turbine. The accused has sent a second email and will soon file a BBB complaint for failure to provide customer service.

[Greydeath]

Is it just me or is it not fairly clear that the OP and "friend" are one in the same? :eek:

They are not :rolleyes:

[bugeyed]

they Are Not :rolleyes:

Qft

[Kylani]

I just pray you're not a judge.

I was thinking I wish he WERE a judge, lol.

[bugeyed]

I was thinking I wish he WERE a judge, lol.

He judges much like Turbine :rolleyes:

[Kylani]

He judges much like Turbine :rolleyes:

Seems like common sense to me. I applaud Turbine for getting rid of a habitual offender who continually wastes their time and griefs players.

[Lithic]

Sounds like good riddence to me. Or is it riddense? riddanse? w/e.


Ugh its saturday. This thing is gonna be kicking around for another 36hours isnt it...

[slumbering_dragon]

are you sure he didn't get accused of maybe buying Plat from a plat farmer and not "Being" the Plat farmer. Maybe your not getting the full story from the one who is banned.

and by no means am I saying I know the story of what went down.

in bad taste some few people in the game could click on your name and claim your a plat farmer, lets say u are in a raid and everyone one is beating dwon the pit feind and your the only cleric. the group fails then. pretty sure some might hit that magic button in revenge. its not right that people can abuse the system but i am sure some have done this before.

[bugeyed]

Seems like common sense to me. I applaud Turbine for getting rid of a habitual offender who continually wastes their time and griefs players.

Your lack of knowledge of the situation is rather apparent.... Try not to talk of which you do not know.

[bugeyed]

in bad taste some few people in the game could click on your name and claim your a plat farmer, lets say u are in a raid and everyone one is beating dwon the pit feind and your the only cleric. the group fails then. pretty sure some might hit that magic button in revenge. its not right that people can abuse the system but i am sure some have done this before.

QFT. This is the case here. One person is reported a lot REGARDLESS of whether those reports are valid. Turbine sees this and takes an IP link from a LAN party and links that IP to another IP to a Credit Card and all of a sudden 6 degrees of separation later someone is a plat farmer? I think not.

The individual who was banned has sent a second email to turbinesupportexperience, Meghan "Patience", Turbine's CEO, and Turbine's VP of HR. As he stated in said email if no response is had in a week he will be talking to the BBB.

[Kylani]

Your lack of knowledge of the situation is rather apparent.... Try not to talk of which you do not know.

Lol, I know nothing about this person except what was said about him by the OP and others who did know him. If what was said about him was true for ANYONE, I'd feel the same way. I applaud Turbine for giving people warnings/chances, but then taking care of it so he stops wasting their and other's player's time anymore.

Now I won't waste anymore time in this thread. This guy isn't worth wasting my time either.

[bugeyed]

Lol, I know nothing about this person except what was said about him by the OP and others who did know him. If what was said about him was true for ANYONE, I'd feel the same way. I applaud Turbine for giving people warnings/chances, but then taking care of it so he stops wasting their and other's player's time anymore.

Now I won't waste anymore time in this thread. This guy isn't worth wasting my time either.

Score! Another thread de-trolled!

[Lithic]

QFT. This is the case here. One person is reported a lot REGARDLESS of whether those reports are valid. Turbine sees this and takes an IP link from a LAN party and links that IP to another IP to a Credit Card and all of a sudden 6 degrees of separation later someone is a plat farmer? I think not.

The individual who was banned has sent a second email to turbinesupportexperience, Meghan "Patience", Turbine's CEO, and Turbine's VP of HR. As he stated in said email if no response is had in a week he will be talking to the BBB.

That is incorrect. Reports merely flag the account as "needs attention". Then the mods ghost along and see what the reportee does for a while, as well as checks any logs they have on said character. If they aren't doing anything wrong, then nothing happens. Repeated reports by a third party without any evidence of wrongdoings will result in penalties for the reporter, not the reportee.

[Greydeath]

Seems like common sense to me. I applaud Turbine for getting rid of a habitual offender who continually wastes their time and griefs players.
Well, as we can see here, common sense is far from common :(



Score! Another thread de-trolled!

Thank the Soverign Host!

[Greydeath]

That is incorrect. Reports merely flag the account as "needs attention". Then the mods ghost along and see what the reportee does for a while, as well as checks any logs they have on said character. If they aren't doing anything wrong, then nothing happens. Repeated reports by a third party without any evidence of wrongdoings will result in penalties for the reporter, not the reportee.

This is correct only in the sense that one person cannot continually report the same other person. However, it is incorrect in that a group of people can mass report a specific individual and turn Turbine against them.

The GM actioning the reports also plays a huge role.

[bugeyed]

The GM actioning the reports also plays a huge role.

What are the odd's of the same GM responding to every ban on the same individual across two accounts across the course of many months?

[bugeyed]

That is incorrect. Reports merely flag the account as "needs attention". Then the mods ghost along and see what the reportee does for a while, as well as checks any logs they have on said character. If they aren't doing anything wrong, then nothing happens. Repeated reports by a third party without any evidence of wrongdoings will result in penalties for the reporter, not the reportee.

Thank you for Turbine's Disciplinary Process 101. It was needed :rolleyes:

[Greydeath]

What are the odd's of the same GM responding to every ban on the same individual across two accounts across the course of many months?

Well, I cannot say for sure but I suspect that it is possible to flag an account to be immediately escalated... given the harrassment the individual received from a specific head GM, I would think it is reasonable to accept that could have been a reason/factor.

[bugeyed]

Well, I cannot say for sure but I suspect that it is possible to flag an account to be immediately escalated... given the harrassment the individual received from a specific head GM, I would think it is reasonable to accept that could have been a reason/factor.

Good point. I would agree that the accounts were probably flagged to be sent straight to that sparky GM to further their campaign of harassment.

[TechNoFear]

takes an IP link from a LAN party and links that IP to another IP to a Credit Card

Turbine knows IPs are easily spoofed, anon proxied, shared and recycled (most xDSL is not static). IPs are of little use in these situations.

Another plauseable scenario is that the CC number used to create an account banned for plat tells (for example) was matched to an existing account, resulting in it being banned as well.

[Borror0]

Didn't read the whole thread but this (http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=198131) might be of help.

EDIT: I now read the whole thread and regret I did so. Can you all give me back those two minutes of my life back?

[Tarrant]

I'm not sure how this thread has slipped through our discussing disciplinary action net for so long, but it's been spotted now!

If you have an issue with a ban, please send an email to turbinesupportexperience@turbine.com where the circumstances will be reviewed. Unfortunately we don't discuss disciplinary action on these forums so I'll have to shut this thread down.