Question about Tomes

[Talithaine]

I've read and heard mention of +2 Tomes of [Skill].

As a fairly smart (I like to think) individual, I've pretty much guessed what these do (raises [skill] by +2). My question is where to get these, or if they're not worth it until much later.

Thanks for the assistance.

[Geonis]

The +2 tomes don't raise skills, they raise your ability scores.

[Noctus]

They do not exist.

You fell victim to rumor or a deliberate prank.

[DragonKiller]

Tome raise Abilities; such as strength, dex, etc... not skills. Well not directly but because they raise abilities they raise the skills that go along with them.

A +X (Right now 1, 2 or 3) are found in either chests, or as end rewards. Best place for +1's is in Gianthold quest, at least in my experience, however they drop in level 9 or higher quests. +2's can be found in level 17 or higher quest, or as end rewards for level 16 quests, or as raid loot in a warded chest (such as Von 6 - aka The Dragon) Currently +3 are only available in high level raids or as a 20th end reward for those raids.

+4's are supposed to be out in Mod 9, and apparently a few lucky souls got one from the Jester of the Festivitus.

Also, using a +1 and a +2 tome do not = +3, it's only +2. What ever is the highest tome used will raise your ability score only to that tomes level.

Hope that helps.

[Talithaine]

Thanks for the responses. I used "skill" as in Dexterity, Strength, etc. wrong term, but same concept. Thanks for the help again.

[Emili]

As DragonKiller said, Also the earlier you use an INT tome the better off you are as INT mods the number of skill points you get as you level. I expect +2 tomes to drop quite a bit after mod 9 as +3 will become slightly more common and +4 will be the new top.

[Talithaine]

As DragonKiller said, Also the earlier you use an INT tome the better off you are as INT mods the number of skill points you get as you level. I expect +2 tomes to drop quite a bit after mod 9 as +3 will become slightly more common and +4 will be the new top.

Good to know, the more dropping, the more available for AH purchase at a reasonable (I hope) price.

[Ghaldar]

Good to know, the more dropping, the more available for AH purchase at a reasonable (I hope) price.

It is Khyber. So of course the prices will be inflated regardless.

[Jay203]

As DragonKiller said, Also the earlier you use an INT tome the better off you are as INT mods the number of skill points you get as you level. I expect +2 tomes to drop quite a bit after mod 9 as +3 will become slightly more common and +4 will be the new top.

Emili, the major factor in the price drop for the +2 and ups is the ML requirement after mod 9 hits :eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Gawna]

Don't forget: You don't read the tome, you eat it! :D

[Emili]

Emili, the major factor in the price drop for the +2 and ups is the ML requirement after mod 9 hits :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Actually, when you think about it the new min level of 7 on a +2 tome should place a temporary inflation on the price... as people scramble to pick up int tomes for lowbies and get them on before mod 9.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Don't forget: You don't read the tome, you eat it! :D

You know I really wish they followed the D&D rules and didn't let Barbs read Tomes unless they put a skill point into language. :p

[Ghaldar]

Don't forget: You don't read the tome, you eat it! :D

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anything else needing to be

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[Talithaine]

Thanks again for all the good info.

If these were the WoW forums the responses would have been everything from:

"How do you *not* know what tomes are, noob!"
"Can't answer your question, too busy laughing at your gear/arena rating/achievements."
"You r MOM is a Tome."

Basically, everything other than a reasonable answer.

Another reason i"m glad I've found DDO.

[Mithran]

Some of us work very hard to inflame the passions here, just to keep things from getting dull. I'm currently hard at work, trying to maintain a reputation that's only fitting for the creator of the Drama Channel.

[Jay203]

Actually, when you think about it the new min level of 7 on a +2 tome should place a temporary inflation on the price... as people scramble to pick up int tomes for lowbies and get them on before mod 9.

well, let's leave it at the pre-mod 9 +2 tomes will SKYROCKET in price
the post mod-9 +2 tomes will drop considerably in price =P

[ArkoHighStar]

well, let's leave it at the pre-mod 9 +2 tomes will SKYROCKET in price
the post mod-9 +2 tomes will drop considerably in price =P

with +2 int tomes commanding the highest prices

[Zenako]

Welcome and may all your thread replies be as kind in the future.

Someone mentioned that in Mod 9 (coming sometime soon.....) Tomes will no longer be readable by starting characters. They will have a minimum level required. The impact will be minor for most stats, and really only have enduring impact on Intelligence Tomes, since INT controls the number of skill points you get to spend when you level up. Changes to INT do not grant you retroactive skill points. That is why someone mentioned INT tomes shooting up in price.

+1 Tome will be Min Level 3
+2 Tome will be Min Level 7
+3 Tome will be Min Level 11

So no munching a bunch of +2 tomes at 1st level anymore.

Presumeably
+4 Tome will be Min level 15
+5 Tome will be Min level 19
if the progression holds.

[Sillk]

Has there been any verification (maybe on the Beta Server) as to whether or not Existing Tomes will have a min level applied to them?

[kuro_zero]

[I've read and heard mention of +2 Tomes of [Skill].

They raise ability score. N00b.


As a fairly smart (I like to think) individual,

Keep thinking that. That doesn't make it right.


I've pretty much guessed what these do (raises [skill] by +2).

Again, that's ability score.

N00b.

Just bustin' your chops, gotta go through the rights of passages. What's a community without a tradition of hazing? :p


My question is where to get these, or if they're not worth it until much later.

I didn't see this question answered. Tomes are worth their weight in plat (to many...) regardless of your level (or ML, with coming Mod-9 changes). More than likely though you will see very few of them drop, and fewer for yourself.

Don't knock it too hard, they're hardly required to do well in the game. Character builds on the forums will show them to give you a feel of its the characters max potential, but besides some feat requirements, are hardly necessary for characters to do well.

Where to get them:

+1s are random loot drops from lvl 8+ quests (ex. Stormcleave, lvl 8 quest on normal). I see them much more often on Lvl 10+ quests. I find they drop quite frequently in Gianthold.

+2s are lvl 17+ quests (with a few exceptions, more info later). This include some necropolis quests on elite, Vale quests at any difficulty above normal, and the Reaver Refuge quest and explorer areas, and sub-terrane raid explorer area. The one exception I can think of is the Reaver's Fate raid (Gianthold) that has unbound +2 tomes on the loot table.

+3s, for now, are Raid Loot only and bound to the character lucky enough to pull one or win one. Raids that they're availible from is Reaver's Fate in Gianthold, Vision of Destruction & Hound of Xoriat in the Subterrane, Ascension Chamber (aka Abbott) and the Thirteenth Eclipse (aka Shroud) on 20th completion.

With the level cap increase and higher level quests, it is expected unbound +3 tomes will be on the loot tables as random drops similar to +2s currently. +4s are expected from the new Raid.

You can get +2 tomes from some of the lower level Raids, but like +3s are bound to the character that pulls them. These raids are the Vault of Night (VoN), Twilight Forge/Core (aka Titan), and Zwabi's Revenge (aka Demon Queen)

When Mod-9 finally arrives, +1 tomes will be available from the e-store for Turbine Points (TP).

[kuro_zero]

Slightly off topic, but the current speculation on character re-spec is that tomes will be retroactively applied since the game does not currently keep track of when the tome was consumed. This is why you can hold off for a +2 or +3 DEX tome then go back and have Fred swap out your previous feats for Imp. and Gtr. TWF.

Will this apply to skill points and a consumed INT Tome? My guess is yes.

[Slink]

I will be holding onto my 5 +2 int tomes for about 6 months.
By then they should be rare enough to earn a small fortune.

S.

[Strakeln]

I will be holding onto my 5 +2 int tomes for about 6 months.
By then they should be rare enough to earn a small fortune.

S.This is my plan as well.

I think the big hole in our plans is that everyone who will be able to afford the small fortunes will also have been a plan participant.

[Emili]

This is my plan as well.

I think the big hole in our plans is that everyone who will be able to afford the small fortunes will also have been a plan participant.

******! Bloody hell, competition is fierce ...


Maybe come time to sell will bake some scones or muffins as part of the incentive?

[Slink]

I think the big hole in our plans is that everyone who will be able to afford the small fortunes will also have been a plan participant.

Yes but knowing most of "those people" I expect them to continue to worry about having the "most uber1337" build possible.
I also expect most of them to reroll, which is where we come in.

It also sounds like they might be handy for leveraging fresh muffins as well.

S.

[Kezn]

I will be holding onto my 5 +2 int tomes for about 6 months.
By then they should be rare enough to earn a small fortune.

S.

They're going to lose value as they're going to be level capped at 7.

Plus the influx of players will just mean more will be rotting on the auction house.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

They're going to lose value as they're going to be level capped at 7.

Plus the influx of players will just mean more will be rotting on the auction house.

At least in the existing lama build that isn't true, old tomes are grandfathered, thus he is right, they will go up in value.

[srwood]

I'll give someone the 100plat that my Lvl 2 Wiz. has acquired so far for a +2 Tome. Is that fortune small enough? :)

[Slink]

"acquired" being the key word rather than "earned"

S.

[Jovial]

Thanks again for all the good info.

If these were the WoW forums the responses would have been everything from:

"How do you *not* know what tomes are, noob!"
"Can't answer your question, too busy laughing at your gear/arena rating/achievements."
"You r MOM is a Tome."

Basically, everything other than a reasonable answer.

Another reason i"m glad I've found DDO.

No worries. That stuff will be available with the new mod.

[JakLee7]

Your mom is a +2 tome.....No0b
:)

[srwood]

"acquired" being the key word rather than "earned"

S.
Not for nothin, but my char has nothing that wasn't "earned" (haven't received any handouts). As a wizard I sell almost all loot I collect & as low level, there's not to much need to invest yet.Not offended - just sayin'.
Can't wait to eat my first book