highest dps monk

[twoton]

so just to make sure the highest dps (dmg per sec.) monk is a str based WF monk with power attack in windstance with GTWF. That is correct is it not?

The numbers I came up with is
28 str giving +9 to dmg
PA with WF enhancements giving +8 to dmg
handwraps of +5
which would be +22 to dmg
and with GTWF and 7.5% increase over normal attack speed with windstnace and handwraps is the fastest fighting style in game this is most dps a monk can put out right?

[Desteria]

hum depends how much you cna get sneak attack....

WF gets +2 str(1 damage) & +3 from PA over a Hafling, Hafling gets Guile 4, +8 damage wen sneak attacking soo at 50% sneak attacks they woudl seam to break even THOUGH the haflign would have +1 racial -1 str, (maby a str &dex build might have higer dex still while maxing str.) +3 no WF PA, +5 guile when sneak atakcign better to HIT...

Either way they woudl be very similar the haflign is more situational, with the posiblity of GReater damage, the WF is more reliable as high dps monk.

[Delacroix21]

Either way they woudl be very similar the haflign is more situational, with the posiblity of GReater damage, the WF is more reliable as high dps monk.


Im not so sure about that, as with a 28 strength (32 rage+madstone) and a -8 power attack going you definately wont be hitting bosses on low rolls, even with bardsongs and thranes googles.


BaB=16
+5 handwrap
+11 strength
+7 warchanter
+5 thranes
+2 tumbleweed
+2 flanking
= 48
-8
= 40 (pit AC on norm= 41)

So you are still hiting the pit on every roll. However since you require sneak attack to hit 100%, then the halfling build will be doing more dps anyway due to the higher sneak attack bonus.


Pull agro somehow and your to-hit drops to=
To Hit 40
-5 thranes
-2 flank
= 33

Now you will start seeing allot of misses up there, which should make you lose agro again I suppose. But honestly the differences in dps is minimal, dont worry about it either way will be a fun toon! =)

[negative]

Unbalancing strike can push the % of attacks that are sneak attacks pretty high.

[Dark-Star]

and with GTWF and 7.5% increase over normal attack speed with windstnace and handwraps is the fastest fighting style in game

Wouldn't a pali/ranger with zeal and tempest haste be at 20% + haste for gtwf?

Wouldn't an acrobat with a q-staff be at +20%, or +23.5% with a monk splash?

I know monks get increased h2h attack speed before wind stance, but not sure how much it is.

[MrCow]

I know monks get increased h2h attack speed before wind stance, but not sure how much it is.

Roughly 10%.

[Goldeneye]

Situational damage, halfling sneak att would probably be the most damage
however, if you have aggro, the WF damage would be the highest

I'm curious how the different stances effect damage - would sun stance damage be greater then the increased attack speed from air?

[Shima-ra]

Attack speed has other advantages then just dmg


However, if you wanna know whether fire stance deals more dmg, its simple.
Is the increase in dmg more then 10% of your dmg per hit?
If you do 30dmg per hit, and fire stance increase it by +4, then fire stance is better.
If you do 40dmg per hit, and fire stance increase it by +2, then its only 5% better.

Keep in mind you have to count your total dmg, including elemental and banes etc.

[negative]

Situational damage, halfling sneak att would probably be the most damage
however, if you have aggro, the WF damage would be the highest
Again, with unbalancing strike, you will continue to get sneak attacks while you have aggro, provided the mob fails their reflex save. I tend to only see mobs routinely failing reflex saves when they are red names, or when running end-game elite content. I may fail to land unbalancing strike a little more on hard versus normal as well. Which seems about the right success/fail rate given the investment I've put into my wisdom.

Attack speed has other advantages then just dmg


However, if you wanna know whether fire stance deals more dmg, its simple.
Is the increase in dmg more then 10% of your dmg per hit?
If you do 30dmg per hit, and fire stance increase it by +4, then fire stance is better.
If you do 40dmg per hit, and fire stance increase it by +2, then its only 5% better.

Keep in mind you have to count your total dmg, including elemental and banes etc.
Absolutely true. When it comes down to it, the maximum tier of fire stance increases your damage by +2 per hit (+4 more str), all things equal. If you are doing more than 20 total points of damage per swing, air stance will be better, if my math is right.

However, there is a small difference in the amount of ki generated, and I'm not sure how to quantify that. I've ran my monk in tier 3 fire stance with 32 STR, and I've ran him in tier 3 air stance with 28 STR, and there is a noticable difference in the amount of ki strikes I can use while fighting trash. However, on red names, I am able to use about the same amount of ki strikes. And while I miss being able to stunning fist and quivering palm every 6 seconds while fighting trash (and actually have to pay attention to my ki), it seems my dps vs. red names has gone up, and on red names I still don't need to pay attention to my ki, I always have enough.

[Djeserit]

Wouldn't the highest DPS monk be a monk with a splash of another class?

I am currently trying 2 rogue, which I hope will combine my favorite aspects of both classes, while preserving the monkish 'feel' of the character.

That's an additional 1d6+3 on a sneak attack.

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Acrobat is 'fast', for a THF style. It helps greatly with DPS, but sucks for disruption, smite, banish, cursespewing, or stat damage. You get much less swings than the other styles listed. Even a straight paladin with TWF and zeal is better.

[negative]

Wouldn't the highest DPS monk be a monk with a splash of another class?
Depends on what you get. Monks get higher base damage on their unarmed strikes as they level, with that last bump at level 20.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Re: dps - monks can have a LOT of dps. Even more with the mod9 rings!

for example my monk with +2 holy handwraps of greater construct bane, unbalancing strike always engaged, and tharne's goggles, can out dps my sorc taking down the Red Named WF in the Mount Reyslon area. This done by comparing average time in seconds to take him down from first engagement - mainly due to the fact that firewalls don't stack and the WF saves my DBF a lot. And my monk self heals all the time from curse of healing...

I'm not sure whether that means my sorc is gimped or if my monk is uber...?

Garth

[Dark-Star]

No chance your monk out DPS's a well played sorc on that construct. You are not using the best spell combination if that's the case.

[Monkey_Archer]

WF powerattack is good... but vs higher ac targets i think a 30-32 str (base 16-18 + 4level +6item +1 human +3tome) human monk with human versitiliy would have the edge..
unlike other melees like barbs and fighters, str based monks just dont get that high of an attack bonus, and without all the best gear WF powerattack would probabably reduce dps from misses.
11 - strength
5 - powerattack
5 - weapon
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21

+5 human damage boost

[GlassCannon]

No chance your monk out DPS's a well played sorc on that construct. You are not using the best spell combination if that's the case.

Sorc = Limited Duration Damage.

Monk = Infinite Duration Damage.

Over a 7 hour period of DPSing, the Monk clearly far outclasses your precious blaster.

Now go sit in a corner until you learn that using Spell Points does not count toward a DPS calculation. Spike damage is spike damage. DPS is Damage Per Second Over Time(shortened for obvious reasons)


As for the Wall of Fire statement, he has a very high fire resistance, and please try not to compare blaster damage per tick with actual DPS(note above). If you want to nuke the ever loving cr@p out of him, spec a Lightning/Acid nuker and blow him apart. I'm sure that's what DarkStar meant by "The right spell selection", in which case he is correct, but again mistaken for assuming that Blasting is considered "DPS".


As for the High DPS topic, I like my Punchy build... his incoming and outgoing DPS are excellent. Particularly on incoming heal DPS. A maximized cure moderate fills his 364 HP up nicely. Additionally, a Cleric will actually abandon the other tanks in favor of a monk that makes his SP last 2x-3x as long. I've seen it with me own eyes, laddies. Well, that and keeping them up takes all his might and taxes his timers and potion stocks... so Punchy is made the hero a lot. I suspect in MOD 9 he will be heroing almost everything I throw him at(DR10/-... superior attack speed... greensteel rings.... guard items... hm... need I mention more?).

[stormarcher]

No chance your monk out DPS's a well played sorc on that construct. You are not using the best spell combination if that's the case.
Monks can put out a more sustained Dps than a Caster anyday. lets say a caster does a spell ( besides firewall ) and does 700 damage. and it takes him another 10 seconds before he can attack. In that time frame Dps monk can have already dished out twice that with Good Handwraps, buffs, and Mod9 Rings. :D

[Taimasan]

and without all the best gear WF powerattack would probabably reduce dps from misses.

Even with the best twink gear, that massive hit to attack bonus is going to make you miss alot epecially on epic and high level stuff, demolishing your dps.

[Arkat]

Monks can put out a more sustained Dps than a Caster anyday. lets say a caster does a spell ( besides firewall ) and does 700 damage. and it takes him another 10 seconds before he can attack. In that time frame Dps monk can have already dished out twice that with Good Handwraps, buffs, and Mod9 Rings. :D


Even with the best twink gear, that massive hit to attack bonus is going to make you miss alot epecially on epic and high level stuff, demolishing your dps.

This thread is 10 months old!!!

Please stop responding to it!!!!

[Taimasan]

I think someone is messing with us by unearthing old threads.

[Chai]

Dps is such a situational discussion.

Without bringing "to hit" into the picture, yeah you have the highest dps, stars aligned, being in the same situation with the same gear as other monks, etc.

I am surprised a thread this old is still around.

[stormarcher]

This thread is 10 months old!!!

Please stop responding to it!!!!

Its a good topic especially with all the new monk updates. So who cares if we respond to it

[scottmike0]

Its a good topic especially with all the new monk updates. So who cares if we respond to it

like always and remember dex monks are insane dont gimp them on an attack

Get the highest amp you can get and make sure you have enough to live out em all

If you go halfling what is it for the +1 ac bonus well half elfs get human skill and so u can raise it up to +4 for 20 secs so which is better higher healing amp and +4 boost to ac for 20sec. or a halfling with a +1 ac bonus
if you do what this does then you should know what to decide :)
32 build points will always be needed for any monk unless u want to gimp it 14 str enables to get master ofbonfire which i highly recomend if your a light monk u can cast res alot and heal all the time :)

[doubledge]

Nice necro!

[spartin]

a double necro?

[Dandonk]

a double necro?

Necro squared. Necroing the necro.

[doubledge]

i think there is a conspiracy coming around.

[erikbozelie]

this thread actually makes me think.

i made an monk splash build with 7d6 + 57 and it came out as low to medium dps.

where do light monks get theyre damage from other then +X moves?
whats the max Dps for any monk?

i know of the 500 dmg level 9 dark finisher, but other then that?