Fix AC on dragontouched robe/outfit

[Delacroix21]

Please fix the AC on dargontouched robes and outfits to 8ac, and AC far more appropriate for these items. Every other armor got an AC boost with dragontouched, with the exception of the robes/outfits at the VERY COMMON +6. With +7ac bracers and chaosguards being common as well. Even unarmored warforged recieve a +9 ac from the dragontouched docent, which is more then what I am asking for.


Even with this change Icy rainment+7ac (or +8) bracers will still have a better AC. But at least the rest of us will recieve an AC on par with what we deserve for this item.

[Gryphton]

So, you would be able to have +8 A/C and chaos guards instead of +6 and +8 A/C bracers....hmmmm sounds good to me...won't happen though.....

[Delacroix21]

So, you would be able to have +8 A/C and chaos guards instead of +6 and +8 A/C bracers....hmmmm sounds good to me...won't happen though.....

Its an easy fix, hopefully this will be on the list of "old loot that needs to be updated." Like allot of those raid items that add +5 to a stat instead of 6, etc.

[Helmet]

Its an easy fix, hopefully this will be on the list of "old loot that needs to be updated." Like allot of those raid items that add +5 to a stat instead of 6, etc.

err what items are those?

[Ollathir]

See no problem with it.

[Sauron]

With Dragon Touched you can build it for whatever purpose you need: For instance if you want an equivalent to the icy raiment don't you need to just do the below:

Dragontouched:

+5 Resistance (Eldritch Rune)

+6 Armor bonus built in
+5 Protection (Tempest Rune)
+4 Natural armor (Sovereign)
+1 Alchemical bonus (if added)

16 Armor bonus and +5 Resistance you can even mix up the Natural armor and use +4 insight or +3 dodge bonus depending on what other items you have that compliment the above to increase this value further. Or even better if you don't need the extra ac for any of the parts you can create something totally different that compliments something else like healing etc...

The above is my current setup and I'm using chaosgarde's for an extra +2 ac to put me at 18 armor class with just those two items: As a bonus it's also freed up my resistance item and protection item slot for other things. I can customize it further by getting rid of the Natural armor bonus for insight or dodge depending on items I find in the future to compliment the outfit.

+8 ac bonus to the base of the armor would be nice and I wouldn't argue it if the change was made. But in essence I think the armor is working as intended and equivalent if not better than anything the monk has access to at the moment.


Icy Raiment for comparison is:

+4 Dodge
+4 Protection
+3 Resistance
+1 Alchemical bonus (if added)

9 ac by itself but with +7 or +8 armor bracers you can bump that up to the equivalent of the above. And customize depending on ring etc...

[Impaqt]

Um, Arent vestments usually +0 Armor AC?

Gimme a break, +6 is awesome on some cloth......

[Sauron]

Built in +6 "Armor bonus" doesn't stack with the +6 armor bracers.

[Gryphton]

With Dragon Touched you can build it for whatever purpose you need: For instance if you want an equivalent to the icy raiment don't you need to just do the below:

Dragontouched:

+5 Resistance (Eldritch Rune)

+6 Armor bonus built in
+5 Protection (Tempest Rune)
+4 Natural armor (Sovereign)
+1 Alchemical bonus (if added)

16 Armor bonus and +5 Resistance you can even mix up the Natural armor and use +4 insight or +3 dodge bonus depending on what other items you have that compliment the above to increase this value further. Or even better if you don't need the extra ac for any of the parts you can create something totally different that compliments something else like healing etc...

The above is my current setup and I'm using chaosgarde's for an extra +2 ac to put me at 18 armor class with just those two items: As a bonus it's also freed up my resistance item and protection item slot for other things. I can customize it further by getting rid of the Natural armor bonus for insight or dodge depending on items I find in the future to compliment the outfit.

+8 ac bonus to the base of the armor would be nice and I wouldn't argue it if the change was made. But in essence I think the armor is working as intended and equivalent if not better than anything the monk has access to at the moment.


Icy Raiment for comparison is:

+4 Dodge
+4 Protection
+3 Resistance
+1 Alchemical bonus (if added)

9 ac by itself but with +7 or +8 armor bracers you can bump that up to the equivalent of the above. And customize depending on ring etc...

yeah, but...
if you are and A/C build you most likely have the +3 dodge from chattering ring which doesn't stack. You have +4 insight from G/S weapon, which again won't stack. Natural A/C of +4 is kinda pointless with +3 pots being readily available and 99% of the time you have a ranger for +5.

So, if you are going for max A/C you really do want the icy. The DT is nice if you aren't going to craft G/S or mine a chattering ring though.

[Sauron]

But it's customizable and you can use different items with the Dragontouched same as with icy? If you want something different pick something that doesn't stack, like: Insight on the DT if you want the +5 from a Ranger friend etc...

Of course no clue what the insight on a greensteel can give since I haven't grinded the materials to create an insight item or to even know if there are other bonus's you can use from the shroud. (Personally I hate crafting that is limited to raiding and thus avoid it if possible).

Regardless my point was that the base stats (customizable and all) is equivalent if not better in some ways to current items out there, so a change to balance it out isn't really necessary or needed. That, and I don't think the original poster was comparing it to icy's at all; I just tossed it into my post as an example of what else is out there for monks.

[redoubt]

With Dragon Touched you can build it for whatever purpose you need: For instance if you want an equivalent to the icy raiment don't you need to just do the below:

Dragontouched:

+5 Resistance (Eldritch Rune)

+6 Armor bonus built in
+5 Protection (Tempest Rune)
+4 Natural armor (Sovereign)
+1 Alchemical bonus (if added)

16 Armor bonus and +5 Resistance you can even mix up the Natural armor and use +4 insight or +3 dodge bonus depending on what other items you have that compliment the above to increase this value further. Or even better if you don't need the extra ac for any of the parts you can create something totally different that compliments something else like healing etc...

The above is my current setup and I'm using chaosgarde's for an extra +2 ac to put me at 18 armor class with just those two items: As a bonus it's also freed up my resistance item and protection item slot for other things. I can customize it further by getting rid of the Natural armor bonus for insight or dodge depending on items I find in the future to compliment the outfit.

+8 ac bonus to the base of the armor would be nice and I wouldn't argue it if the change was made. But in essence I think the armor is working as intended and equivalent if not better than anything the monk has access to at the moment.


Icy Raiment for comparison is:

+4 Dodge
+4 Protection
+3 Resistance
+1 Alchemical bonus (if added)

9 ac by itself but with +7 or +8 armor bracers you can bump that up to the equivalent of the above. And customize depending on ring etc...

This is an excellent discription of what is available.

Consider that anyone wearing the Icy is also wearing AC bracers it is taking two slots to get a max of 17 AC (and +8 bracers are pretty rare still) compared to 18 AC already available on DT armor and Chaos Guard combo.

And don't forget all those other armors have Dex limits... outfits and robes do not.

[Monkey_Archer]

I tend to agree...

not because Icy is better anyway, not because it isnt fine the way it is....

Only becuase docents get +2, which gives unarmored WF an advantage over unarmored fleshies...

[BlackSteel]

I tend to agree...

not because Icy is better anyway, not because it isnt fine the way it is....

Only becuase docents get +2, which gives unarmored WF an advantage over unarmored fleshies...

LoL that would be a legitimate complaint IF there was a robot version of the Icey R. If you're going all out AC, then you're not wearing DT.

[Delacroix21]

LoL that would be a legitimate complaint IF there was a robot version of the Icey R. If you're going all out AC, then you're not wearing DT.

A WF with Dragon Touched docent + chaosguards is 11ac vs. 12ac of icy +8 bracers (SUPER Rare), but keeps the MANY benefits of dragontouched. So the point is invalid. With my own suggestion, dragontouched outfits/robes having 8ac +chaosguards will be 10ac. Still behind WF but not by as much.

[BlackSteel]

meh WF get penalized in wisdom and have no way to pump dex via enhancements. The reinforced plating on raid/crafting armor makes have an AC spec WF viable, still not in competition for the best AC, but simply viable. An increase on the enhancement bonus for DT robes is not needed.

And no baloney about 'but WF get their immunities for the penalties to stats.' The only one that is worthwhile really is the immunity to neg levels. And if you're going AC you're going to choose 3-6 more points of it over neg lvl immunity that can be replicated with a necklace slot.

-2/3 dex AC
-1 wisdom AC
-1 size AC
-1 lack of Icey rainments (11 AC WF w/ DT vs IR with bracers)

a fleshie standing next to a wf both with DT armor are going to have similar AC, the fleshie could still have more with equal stat creation spending (not equal values).

[negative]

With Dragon Touched you can build it for whatever purpose you need: For instance if you want an equivalent to the icy raiment don't you need to just do the below:

Dragontouched:

+5 Resistance (Eldritch Rune)

+6 Armor bonus built in
+5 Protection (Tempest Rune)
+4 Natural armor (Sovereign)
+1 Alchemical bonus (if added)
That is a terrible way to make a replacement icy rainments, mostly because the +4 natural armor is a waste of a sov rune. At best, the DT saves you from needing to get a chattering ring or insight +4 on GS, but that still puts the icy way ahead in the AC department.

Personally, I think the DT outfits should have 7/8 AC. The reason? The GH dragonscale robes have 6 AC. That is lower level gear. This should be better.