Two assassinate attempts when TWF - confirmed

[Draccus]

I realize that most of us already know this but there were still some people questioning whether or not you get two assassinate attempts when dual wielding. I was pretty sure you got two attempts but never took the time to verify.

Yesterday, though, I had my combat window open and assassinated one of the gnolls in the Vale when I finally saw it live:

(Combat) You attack Johannie. You roll a 1 (+52): You miss!
(Combat) You attack Johannie. You roll a 4 (+52): You hit!
(Combat) You hit Johannie with assassination.
(Combat) You killed Johannie.

Or something like that...

I took a screenshot of the combat log if anyone wants to see the exact sequence but this is the first time I've noticed a miss followed by a hit on an assassination. I've seen far more double 1's. Grrr.

[InfidelofHaLL]

screeenshot or it didnt happen !!!

[kamimitsu]

I'm more interested in the triple/quad assassinate. I've heard of it, but never seen it happen. I personally don't think it is possible, as I checked my combat logs and only ever noticed (as you have) 2 attempts. I suspect that the triple/quad is a case of 2 mobs being assassinated and another 1 or 2 falling due to other players efforts.

If anyone has proof of a double or triple, please post it somewhere on these forums. I know it is hard to get that screenie, and I'm not sure if the combat log alone would be conclusive (though that would be a good start, and depending on the order listed may be proof).

[bobbryan2]

I realize that most of us already know this but there were still some people questioning whether or not you get two assassinate attempts when dual wielding. I was pretty sure you got two attempts but never took the time to verify.

Yesterday, though, I had my combat window open and assassinated one of the gnolls in the Vale when I finally saw it live:

(Combat) You attack Johannie. You roll a 1 (+52): You miss!
(Combat) You attack Johannie. You roll a 4 (+52): You hit!
(Combat) You hit Johannie with assassination.
(Combat) You killed Johannie.

Or something like that...

I took a screenshot of the combat log if anyone wants to see the exact sequence but this is the first time I've noticed a miss followed by a hit on an assassination. I've seen far more double 1's. Grrr.


When you get better at it, learning to take down two guys with a single assassinate becomes pretty common.

[Draccus]

I'm beginning to think triple assassinates don't exist.

Doubles are simple. Rarely do I run a quest where I don't get a double. (BTW, my favorite place for doubles is Running with the Devils. When going for the extra chest, the devils spawn in pairs and can be easily double-assassinated if your party is heading the other way to trigger the named guy).

However, I've used friends to set up some textbook triple assassinates and haven't pulled one off. I had a partner stack 3 gnolls on a catwalk in the vale. I centered behind them and hit the button but only two dropped. I've tried that 3-4 times with no success.

I *thought* I had a triple in Cabal for One but now I'm thinking it was a double and a stray kill from someone else.

[kamimitsu]

I'm beginning to think triple assassinates don't exist.

Doubles are simple. Rarely do I run a quest where I don't get a double. (BTW, my favorite place for doubles is Running with the Devils. When going for the extra chest, the devils spawn in pairs and can be easily double-assassinated if your party is heading the other way to trigger the named guy).

However, I've used friends to set up some textbook triple assassinates and haven't pulled one off. I had a partner stack 3 gnolls on a catwalk in the vale. I centered behind them and hit the button but only two dropped. I've tried that 3-4 times with no success.

I *thought* I had a triple in Cabal for One but now I'm thinking it was a double and a stray kill from someone else.

Glad I'm not the only one. I keep hearing about it from other assassin rogues. I've assassinated in some very tight quarters with plenty of mobs in the arc, and have never seen it. Checking my logs, I've only ever seen TWO attacks register on a single assassinate attempt. As far as I'm concerned, the triple assassinate is a myth.

[jboyd158]

What if an assassination attempt can get glancing blows with a Two-hander? Just puttting it out there.

[Aeneas]

Check the animation on a two handed attack from sneak mode - no glancing blows.

[jboyd158]

Check the animation on a two handed attack from sneak mode - no glancing blows.

My fault. My highest rogue is 2, and I was just brainstorming.

[SableShadow]

Glad I'm not the only one. I keep hearing about it from other assassin rogues. I've assassinated in some very tight quarters with plenty of mobs in the arc, and have never seen it. Checking my logs, I've only ever seen TWO attacks register on a single assassinate attempt. As far as I'm concerned, the triple assassinate is a myth.

Could just be those of us that thought we were getting them were wrong...I'll put it on my research list next time I spec into assassin. Thanks for bringing this up, Draccus. :)

[Hasteclicky]

I mentioned this before, but don't know if anyone ever tested it. I believe the largest arc for a weapon in stealth is Qstaff since it swings 1 handed. If the arc is considered u should be able to hit several with that single swing. Need a str based assassin to test it since I gave up on mine. I feel if u can get multiple kills on that 1 weapon u should be able to do the same with 2.

[Draccus]

I mentioned this before, but don't know if anyone ever tested it. I believe the largest arc for a weapon in stealth is Qstaff since it swings 1 handed. If the arc is considered u should be able to hit several with that single swing. Need a str based assassin to test it since I gave up on mine. I feel if u can get multiple kills on that 1 weapon u should be able to do the same with 2.

I don't think it's swing arc based. I think it's based on the number of weapons. Now that I know you get two assassinate attempts on a single target, I'm getting more sure in my thought that the double assassinate simply works because you have two hands and two targets in the swing arc.

This is easy enough to test. I'll grab a q-staff and set up a double and see if I can kill two at once. If I can, that would indicate it's swing arc related and that a triple is possible. If I can't, then it's weapon based and a triple is probably not possible.

Here's another question: When you double-assassinate with two weapons, do you get two attempts on each mob (for a total of 4 attemps) or one per mob?

[Cauthey]

Was there any more conclusive evidence on this topic, one way or the other?

[bloodnose13]

i seen once my rogue assasin do 3 assasninates, no screenshot or didint check in log was too busy, but i think its a doublestrike, twf are 2 assasinates and one hand gets doublestriked and hits nearby target, in theory quad would be possible but it would mean both hands would need to proc double strike and im not sure if thats even possible.

[Fefnir_2011]

3 Assassinates isn't that hard to get if you time it right. If you hit assassinate and then sneak forward at the same time, you seem to get assassinate chances for every mob you pass through. I could be wrong, but I've dropped multiple mobs by doing this, will see if I can manage a screenshot next time.

[dredre9987]

HOLY Necro!!!

[Bodic]

Okay so here it goes

roll to hit confirmed main weapon assassinate
roll to assassinate confirmed
roll to off hand hit confirmed off hand weapon assassinate
roll to assassinate confirmed
roll to double strike confirmed main weapon assassinate
roll to assassinate confirmed
roll to double strike off hand hit confirmed off hand weapon assassinate
roll to assassinate confirmed

Requirements 4 mobs in weapons strike distance( aka the actual hard part beyond luck of the dice)

Is it possible? Yes.
Is it probable? Not so much.

I have triple tapped a Boss before. Immune to assassinate true, but it should 10d6x3 the SA dice still with auto fortification break as it is a skilled strike. the big question is does it?

[HidalgoXaran]

Those multiple Assassination are easy to get.

You just have to go in Reclaiming the rift, wait for those huge spider spawns and whack them.

Btw, I am curious, as any of you noted that Assassin's poisons are now triggering? I was fighthing an Orange named Hezrul in EE Deal and the Deamon, and Icechill poison triggered. The icon is like a little snake. I tried the other 2 poisons and it did work!

I don't have any printscreen to show you guys, but I can tell you I was utterly surprised!

HidalgoXaran

[Rauven]

Okay so here it goes

roll to hit confirmed main weapon assassinate
roll to assassinate confirmed
roll to off hand hit confirmed off hand weapon assassinate
roll to assassinate confirmed
roll to double strike confirmed main weapon assassinate
roll to assassinate confirmed
roll to double strike off hand hit confirmed off hand weapon assassinate
roll to assassinate confirmed

Requirements 4 mobs in weapons strike distance( aka the actual hard part beyond luck of the dice)

Is it possible? Yes.
Is it probable? Not so much.

I have triple tapped a Boss before. Immune to assassinate true, but it should 10d6x3 the SA dice still with auto fortification break as it is a skilled strike. the big question is does it?

With regard to the above, bold text. No it is not possible. Unless something has changed you do not get doublestrike procs on off-hand weapons, only main-hand.

[Panacide.]

Can an assassination get a double strike? Would that work? One mob dies by one weapon, other two by the other double striking?

[Rauven]

Can an assassination get a double strike? Would that work? One mob dies by one weapon, other two by the other double striking?

Yes, you can assassinate on a doublestrike. This is the elusive triple assassinate. But for it to work you have to proc a doublestrike on an assassination attempt with three mobs in close enough proximity for your hit box to include all of them, which is what makes it rare.

[sephiroth1084]

Have definitely noted some odd behavior with assassinate, such as triggering the attack, killing something, then quickly moving and attacking again and getting another assassinate off despite there being about a half second to a second between the first and second attacks.