Fix Ranged Combat for Everyone...

[barecm]

...not just a capstone for lvl 20 rangers. If you are to admit that ranged combat needs a little something ("at the highest levels their ranged combat lacked a little something...."), how about an actual fix to the problem instead of a capstone aimed at a very narrow scope of folks who use the admittedly lacking ranged combat style of play?

The only positive point of the capstone is the admission by the developers that ranged combat is not up to par with other forms of combat.

[shores11]

...not just a capstone for lvl 20 rangers. If you are to admit that ranged combat needs a little something ("at the highest levels their ranged combat lacked a little something...."), how about an actual fix to the problem instead of a capstone aimed at a very narrow scope of folks who use the admittedly lacking ranged combat style of play?

The only positive point of the capstone is the admission by the developers that ranged combat is not up to par with other forms of combat.

WRONG...

Adding a capstone for level 20 rangers is not admitting that ranged is broke. It is a capstone for the ranger class just like other classes are getting level 20 capstones.

I pray to the D&D (DDO) decision makers that we never have a class or race that can do all feats, enhancements or skills to the maximum possible for each class. Then my friend DDO and/or D&D would be broke. We already have to much in that order now in my opinion.

So while I appreciate your opinion really its not broke so it doesn't need fixed.

[barecm]

WRONG...

Adding a capstone for level 20 rangers is not admitting that ranged is broke. It is a capstone for the ranger class just like other classes are getting level 20 capstones.

I pray to the D&D (DDO) decision makers that we never have a class or race that can do all feats, enhancements or skills to the maximum possible for each class. Then my friend DDO and/or D&D would be broke. We already have to much in that order now in my opinion.

So while I appreciate your opinion really its not broke so it doesn't need fixed.

Perhaps you should read the devs quote again before typing what you think is my opinion:

"we found that while their melee ability was strong, at the highest levels their ranged combat lacked a little something...."

Not my opinion, theirs. So, why not fix this lack of a little something for everyone, not just lvl 20 rangers? So yeah, it is broke and needs to be fixed.

[Hendrik]

Perhaps you should read the devs quote again before typing what you think is my opinion:

"we found that while their melee ability was strong, at the highest levels their ranged combat lacked a little something...."

Not my opinion, theirs. So, why not fix this lack of a little something for everyone, not just lvl 20 rangers? So yeah, it is broke and needs to be fixed.

Forgot to bold out the relevant part; 'at the highest levels'. So by this we can deduce that ranged combat is where they want it, EXCEPT for at the highest levels.

Ranged combat, by the DEVs own admission, is only 'broke' 'at the highest levels' for Rangers.

[barecm]

Forgot to bold out the relevant part; 'at the highest levels'. So by this we can deduce that ranged combat is where they want it, EXCEPT for at the highest levels.

Ranged combat, by the DEVs own admission, is only 'broke' 'at the highest levels' for Rangers.


Broke is broke, but I will take a fix at the highest levels if that is all we are going to get and that is all they feel is lacking. Personally, I feel it is lacking at all levels, but that is not what the developers have acknowleged. Since ranged combat is lacking at the highest levels, it needs to be fixed across the board at the highest levels, not just lvl 20 and not just rangers. That would translate to broke for only rangers at the highest level (that being lvl 20); which was not the quote.

[Hendrik]

Broke is broke, but I will take a fix at the highest levels if that is all we are going to get and that is all they feel is lacking. Personally, I feel it is lacking at all levels, but that is not what the developers have acknowleged. Since ranged combat is lacking at the highest levels, it needs to be fixed across the board at the highest levels, not just lvl 20 and not just rangers. That would translate to broke for only rangers at the highest level (that being lvl 20); which was not the quote.

Your right, the DEVs have acknowledged that ranged combat is ONLY broken for Rangers. That could very well mean ranged combat is just where they want it for everyone else BUT rangers at their highest levels - hence the name of the capstone, Master of Archery. Maybe rangers are to be THE masters of the bow and not anyone else.

Maybe in M10 FTR/BRB will get a ranged capstone and if they do I would dare bet the alacrity will not be that of the ranger capstone - to keep the rangers ahead of anyone else in the use of the bow.

[Denssor]

...not just a capstone for lvl 20 rangers. If you are to admit that ranged combat needs a little something ("at the highest levels their ranged combat lacked a little something...."), how about an actual fix to the problem instead of a capstone aimed at a very narrow scope of folks who use the admittedly lacking ranged combat style of play?

The only positive point of the capstone is the admission by the developers that ranged combat is not up to par with other forms of combat.

You don't do as much damage as a melee, but you also aren't taking as much damage as a melee...

You sit in the back attacking instead of putting your self next to a bunch of mobs that are attacking you...

Sounds like a fair trade to me...

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...not just a capstone for lvl 20 rangers. If you are to admit that ranged combat needs a little something ("at the highest levels their ranged combat lacked a little something...."), how about an actual fix to the problem instead of a capstone aimed at a very narrow scope of folks who use the admittedly lacking ranged combat style of play?

The only positive point of the capstone is the admission by the developers that ranged combat is not up to par with other forms of combat.


I hope they dont fix it, so tierd of running after what a ranged ranger shoots because it cant kill it.

[barecm]

You don't do as much damage as a melee, but you also aren't taking as much damage as a melee...

You sit in the back attacking instead of putting your self next to a bunch of mobs that are attacking you...

Sounds like a fair trade to me...

Since the developers are willing to admit that ranged combat is lacking at the highest levels, the point of this thread is not to debate if the user community thinks it is good or not. Rather, the point is to implement a fix that is for everyone. Since ranged combat is not exclusively for lvl 20 rangers, the fix should be for the highest levels where it is admittedly lacking.

My personal opinion is that ranged combat is broken at all levels. DDO is based on 3.5 rules of DnD which takes into account the BAB for attacks per round. Ranged combat is nowhere close to melee (1 handed) in that regard and even further away from twf.

So, if the developers feel it is just lacking at the highest levels, fix it in general, not just for lvl 20 rangers. There are many ways to do this. They can give a flat 25% increase to ranged attack speed, they can offer a enhancement line offered to all characters at whatever lvl the devs feel necessary or something besides a capstone for only lvl 20 rangers while leaving the issue admitted to by the developers unfixed.

[shores11]

Perhaps you should read the devs quote again before typing what you think is my opinion:

"we found that while their melee ability was strong, at the highest levels their ranged combat lacked a little something...."

Not my opinion, theirs. So, why not fix this lack of a little something for everyone, not just lvl 20 rangers? So yeah, it is broke and needs to be fixed.

Adding a capstone because they want ranged to have a little more punch at level 20 is not saying it is broke in anyway, oh ye master word spinner. I have read their statement and know it well that is not saying it is broke and more than add Kensai to fighters at level 20 is or power surge to sorcers at level 20. Are we then to deduce that because they are powering up sorcerers at level 20 that they are broke, I think not.

I stand by what I said your the one that has taking what the developrs said and changed it and that is fact not an opinion.

[shores11]

Your right, the DEVs have acknowledged that ranged combat is ONLY broken for Rangers. That could very well mean ranged combat is just where they want it for everyone else BUT rangers at their highest levels - hence the name of the capstone, Master of Archery. Maybe rangers are to be THE masters of the bow and not anyone else.

Maybe in M10 FTR/BRB will get a ranged capstone and if they do I would dare bet the alacrity will not be that of the ranger capstone - to keep the rangers ahead of anyone else in the use of the bow.

Again no where have the developers admitted ranged was broken that is your interpretation ONLY.

[shores11]

...not just a capstone for lvl 20 rangers. If you are to admit that ranged combat needs a little something ("at the highest levels their ranged combat lacked a little something...."), how about an actual fix to the problem instead of a capstone aimed at a very narrow scope of folks who use the admittedly lacking ranged combat style of play?

The only positive point of the capstone is the admission by the developers that ranged combat is not up to par with other forms of combat.

DDO is based on the 3.5 ruleset however anyone that plays DDO and has played pen and paper know that all things can not translate exactly. The spin that DDO has taken on rangers being the ranged specialist is in my opinion a very nice change or adjustment to the ruleset.

I personally did not have any problem with the way ranged combat has been implemented over the past 3 years anyway. I do not think that having all classes being able to range like a ranger can currently is good for the game. There would then be no need for melee charcacters in DDO if it were so or even casters for that matter. Everyone would be a pure ranger or with small very small splashes of other classes.

The game as a whole would suffer, see the bigger picture here folks. It is good that we have different roles for different classes so that we are all not the same. HELLO, I ddidn't think I would need to mention something like that. Those that complain the most if they really souled searched really want ONE character that can do everything just as well as any class or race and just about any variation from that is unfair and makes me want to call my Mommy.