DPS Question

[Gunmetal]

What's a good example of a class that has good AC and great DPS using twf? I was thinking about a DPS Drow Fighter since I do not have the 32 point build unlocked. Any advice?

[bandyman1]

Ranger14/monk1/rogue1.


High DPS, super AC, and great healing and buffing ability.

[Gunmetal]

Do I take the Rogue level first? Then the Monk level? Then do the rest Ranger? Also, should I do dex fighting rather than bump up str? Any advice on starting stats and feats?

[artvan_delet]

Ranger14/monk1/rogue1.


High DPS, super AC, and great healing and buffing ability.

Ranger and rogue part make very good sense. Most people take the rogue level first. The monk part may get nerfed in this next mod, and that could affect your AC a bunch. Just an fyi.

[maddmatt70]

Well like bandy says the ranger build he posts has high ac. Higher ac then a straight fighter for sure. There is nothing wrong though with a pure level 20 drow twf kensai fighter. You will have less ac but likely do more dps next mod then the 18 ranger 1 monk 1 rogue build. You should do about the same damage stat wise if you go with rapiers as a ranger with the 10% attack speed and +1 to crit range vs. superior twf and 10% attack speed. Your dps especially when fighter haste boosted will be higher.. You will not have evasion, a super high ac, or umd, but you will have more hit points. It really is up to you..

[Gadget2775]

That's a loaded question...Opens a big debate about; how much AC is actually useful (and thusly "good"), whether or not it's worth sacrificing DPS for AC, and what exactly is going to be changed in the upcoming mod.


I'd think the current top combo is Tempest Ranger with a splash of Monk, maybe with a hint of fighter thrown in...Dex based if you want to push the AC or Str based if you want to push the DPS. In either case having Wisdom and Dex high enough to be worth it while wearing PJ's. :) And there's the though of whether or not to have PA and CE, or just one. Really depends on what you intend to do.

[Gadget2775]

Do I take the Rogue level first? Then the Monk level? Then do the rest Ranger? Also, should I do dex fighting rather than bump up str? Any advice on starting stats and feats?

Depends...I've seen people take Rogue levels first for the level one x4 bonus, and I've seen it taken later to max one specific skill.

Wouldn't recommend front loading both Monk and Rogue though...If you're uncentered you'd be working as a 0 BaB toon till third level.

Personally I think I'd go Ranger x2, Monk, Ranger x 4 then Rogue. But allot of that could change depending on what you want to accomplish with the toon.

[Aspenor]

Do I take the Rogue level first? Then the Monk level? Then do the rest Ranger? Also, should I do dex fighting rather than bump up str? Any advice on starting stats and feats?

You can do it any way you want to, realistically speaking.

Always take Rogue 1st level if you're going to be taking even 1 rogue level. You get many more skill points this way, and you open many rogue class skills so you can put 2 ranks in them per level for non-rogue levels. The skills I'd do this on are: UMD and Intimidate.

You can also take the monk level whenever you feel like it, but remember you can't wear real armor to take advantage of the Monk wisdom AC bonus. You'll be wearing armor bracers. You also can't use a shield, which won't matter because you add wisdom modifier to AC when you don't.

If you want the highest possible AC, go dexterity based with weapon finesse. However, there are several ways to go about doing what you want to do....here's a few links:
Aaxeyu's self-healing ranger (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=176559)

The Exploiter, by EinarMal (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=168687)

My Ranger/Monk (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=154433)

keep in mind that in MY build, I ended up taking zero fighter levels (I highly recommend this) and took no rogue level, simply because I didn't really want to.

For the most versatility, you'll want a rogue level. The stat spread on my build is the way I'd recommend doing a dex-based ranger. Aaxeyu's build is pretty complicated, and EinerMal's will have higher AC than Aaxeyu's with practically no DPS sacrifices.

You also save a feat you would have spent on weapon finesse if you go the strength based route, like EinarMal and Aaxeyu did.

[bandyman1]

Ranger and rogue part make very good sense. Most people take the rogue level first. The monk part may get nerfed in this next mod, and that could affect your AC a bunch. Just an fyi.

Doubt very seriously monk Wis bonus is going to get nerfed. It currently works exactly as per PnP, and NO Dev has mentioned anything even resembling that they are even LOOKING at the possibility of doing so. Just baseless speculation from S&B toon players who are ( rightfully IMHO ) upset that this split has far higher DPS while at the same time surpassing the AC they can pull.

[Vua]

You can do it any way you want to, realistically speaking.

Always take Rogue 1st level if you're going to be taking even 1 rogue level. You get many more skill points this way, and you open many rogue class skills so you can put 2 ranks in them per level for non-rogue levels. The skills I'd do this on are: UMD and Intimidate.

You can also take the monk level whenever you feel like it, but remember you can't wear real armor to take advantage of the Monk wisdom AC bonus. You'll be wearing armor bracers. You also can't use a shield, which won't matter because you add wisdom modifier to AC when you don't.

If you want the highest possible AC, go dexterity based with weapon finesse. However, there are several ways to go about doing what you want to do....here's a few links:
Aaxeyu's self-healing ranger (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=176559)

The Exploiter, by EinarMal (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=168687)

My Ranger/Monk (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=154433)

keep in mind that in MY build, I ended up taking zero fighter levels (I highly recommend this) and took no rogue level, simply because I didn't really want to.

For the most versatility, you'll want a rogue level. The stat spread on my build is the way I'd recommend doing a dex-based ranger. Aaxeyu's build is pretty complicated, and EinerMal's will have higher AC than Aaxeyu's with practically no DPS sacrifices.

You also save a feat you would have spent on weapon finesse if you go the strength based route, like EinarMal and Aaxeyu did.


It's not always best to take a rogue level first. If you only have 1 or 2 skills you want to put the skill points in, you may be better off taking the rogue level later. Pumping 4 extra points into 5-6 skills you don't care about is rather useless.