To the experts?

[gamer111]

I have just unlocked 32 point character builds (thanks to all the great parties for their help) And I am leaning towards making a melee ranger (yes another one on the servers ha ha) anyway I am looking for some guidance/advice for a good build. Ac is nice, then dps. I do not mind splashing classes just looking for a good build that I can get into raids with at higher lvls it seems like any 28 pt build gets his a@@ smacked in higher lvl quests and I'm looking for something a little more surviveable and end game appropriate. I do not currently have millions of PP or +2 tomes. (my old PnP playstyle was a pally if that helps any hehe)
Thanks for all the help in advance

[InfidelofHaLL]

I have just unlocked 32 point character builds (thanks to all the great parties for their help) And I am leaning towards making a melee ranger (yes another one on the servers ha ha) anyway I am looking for some guidance/advice for a good build. Ac is nice, then dps. I do not mind splashing classes just looking for a good build that I can get into raids with at higher lvls it seems like any 28 pt build gets his a@@ smacked in higher lvl quests and I'm looking for something a little more surviveable and end game appropriate. I do not currently have millions of PP or +2 tomes. (my old PnP playstyle was a pally if that helps any hehe)
Thanks for all the help in advance

well i would say check the iron monk thread by illu or http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=1803036&postcount=11 << that build works well as well with and without the tomes

[hydra_ex]

so many... where to start?

You can make your own, not that hard. Just take any of the following: 1-2 barbarian, rogue, fighter, or monk levels. All of their benefits are pretty easy.

If you want a build, look above, or check out "The Exploiter" (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=168687).

For dps, with a little ac, this is as simple as it gets: Human; Khopesh. Almost max strength, put rest into con and dex, with a little bit in wis. Done.

For no ac, I would reccomend WF with khopesh, pure ranger, or 2 barb/fighter levels.
Really, its hard to go wrong.

[gamer111]

Well thanks for the answers so far. the two builds I can easily find are iron monk and exploiter that while they look like phenominal builds, unfortunately I do not have a single +2tome let alone 3 of them(or heaven forbid a +3 one) So I was exploring 32 point str build TWF Dwarf Fighter/ ranger with mostly ranger. Something along the lines of 1-2 fighter with the rest ranger. From what I can piece together I'm looking at fighter for CE/ armor mastery maybe??(AC). So I was kinda hoping to find a build along those lines for starting stat distibution/ feats etc. I like dps, but I don't want an A/C so low that I drop faster than mobs do. Thanks again and if anyone has an idea of the type build I'm looking for Please leave a link or build name.

[Demoyn]

Go with the exploiter and just don't use tomes (except for a +1 int tome, which is only 40k plat). Or, if you prefer, you can use the build I made for my wife (who doesn't have tomes). There are tomes at level 16 just to show finalized stats, but none of them are required to make the build work.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.00
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 16 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(1 Monk \ 1 Rogue \ 14 Ranger)
Hit Points: 284
Spell Points: 234
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 17
Will: 9

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 16)
Strength 16 22
Dexterity 14 18
Constitution 16 20
Intelligence 12 13
Wisdom 14 16
Charisma 6 8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 16
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 16
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 16
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 16

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 16)
Balance 6 12
Bluff -2 -1
Concentration 3 5
Diplomacy -2 -1
Disable Device 5 21
Haggle 2 3
Heal 2 3
Hide 2 4
Intimidate 2 18
Jump 7 10
Listen 2 3
Move Silently 2 4
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 1
Search 5 21
Spot 2 3
Swim 7 10
Tumble 6 8
Use Magic Device 2 18

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost IV
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage IV
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Ranger Search I
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II

[QuantumFX]

OP: I’d suggest the “Slim Jim the Grim” build. It’s much less gear intensive than the AC monk splash builds. I rolled mine up before Grenfell posted his variant and went base stats of 17/14/14/13/9/9. I only ate a +1 tome at level 1. I went this route to take advantage of +5 tomes (probably not going to be in Mod 9 but the highest inherent bonus in P&P is +5) and even if I don't get them the advantage of playing a human is that you can make any stat/tome/item combo work for you.


Well thanks for the answers so far. the two builds I can easily find are iron monk and exploiter that while they look like phenominal builds, unfortunately I do not have a single +2tome let alone 3 of them(or heaven forbid a +3 one)

The main thing you need to remember about tomes and rangers are that the only one that might make a difference at character creation is an INT tome. So if you roll up one of these builds you can either adjust the base stats for a +1 or no INT tome. You could also adjust how you spend your skill points.


So I was exploring 32 point str build TWF Dwarf Fighter/ ranger with mostly ranger. Something along the lines of 1-2 fighter with the rest ranger. From what I can piece together I'm looking at fighter for CE/ armor mastery maybe??(AC). So I was kinda hoping to find a build along those lines for starting stat distibution/ feats etc. I like dps, but I don't want an A/C so low that I drop faster than mobs do. Thanks again and if anyone has an idea of the type build I'm looking for Please leave a link or build name.

The AC based armored tempest dwarf starts off with a gear grind that is even worse than the monk splash grind. (Kundarak Delving Suit vs. Icy Raiment) And after all has been said and done, they still have a lower AC.

[Aeneas]

If you can find your way to secure a docent of defiance and plan out a way to heal yourself or have someone dependable to heal you - going WF and decking yourself out in damaging guards mixed with low AC (less than 40) is pretty devastating in terms of DPS. It also lets you skip the flavor of the month (possibly flavor of forever if nothing changes) monk builds and do something a bit different which will keep you busy for months. Just make sure you get that con score up, cause you're going to be taking a beating. Barb and fighter are good splashes - monk and rogue are sort of redundant because you wont' need evasion if you have 9 ranger levels.

[gamer111]

thanks for the advice.
I think I am going to go with a dwarf variant of the exploiter.
starting stats: about STR-16: Dex-15: Con-14: 13(+1 tome at start)=14: Int -13: WIS-14: CHR-6.
My only other question is if my charisma is so low is it worth it to spend ap on intimidate?? or would they be better spent on something else (maybe o/l).
I'll be boosting con, toughness with dorf enhancements dex with ranger enh, and str at lvls. Tempest and axe enhancements ftw. Advice is always welcome :)

[Osharan_Tregarth]

My only other question is if my charisma is so low is it worth it to spend ap on intimidate?? or would they be better spent on something else


At this point in the game, with the gear available to characters, you're gonna be able to get a reasonable intimidate no matter what your starting cha.

Now, you're not going to be the guy keeping Sulo locked with intimidate, or being able to get big momma in the hound raid... But for almost anything else, your intimidate will do just fine.