repeaters

[Hobgoblin]

what class/combination of classes makes the best repeater build?

i have tried bard, that didnt work
i have tried rogue interesting, but not as effective as i had hoped (no back stabbing)
fighter maybe?
no barb its just more effective to hit things
ranger could be interesting


thoughts
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thanks
hob

[hydra_ex]

If you want good repeater damage, barbarian (frenzied beserker) is the way to go. Combined with maybe 2 levels of fighter would work the best so you can top off your bonus feats, or ranger for ranger DEX I. Human and WF are the way to go. Get rapid reload, improved precise shot, cleave, PA etc to top off your feats. Will deal some nice damage, just pump dex up a bit, str 2nd, con 3rd.

[Mistinarperadnacles]

With mine, I decided to forego damge entirely and use repeaters with "on critical" and special effects.

Mine happens to be a bard, which I find works very well for the following reasons:

I can sing/buff and then switch to CC and ranged support (or healing support)
I can bolster Dex as Bards aren't too Stat Point intensive to build.
I have enough feats to get rapid reload and improved critical ranged plus some nice Bard based stuff.
The power of Hold Person / Hold Monster with a "death on critical" Repeater like a WoP or Banishing is scary. Bestow Curse and Disruption or Smiting too.(even just without Hold spells, effect repeaters can be pretty nice)
Can even still do some damage with a Holy Burst of Pure Good repeater (as even fully specced out fighters or anything else won't be doing much more damage - low base dice plus very little to boost base damage of crossbow weapons.)

So, I really quite like Bards as repeater builds.

[Balkas]

Ranger capstone gets you 25% more attack speed, so I'd say 20 Ranger.

:)

[Arkat]

Ranger capstone gets you 25% more attack speed, so I'd say 20 Ranger.

/signed

[Hobgoblin]

k think it will be 20 ranger

just tossing this out there

alignment: any

elf

str 10 (for carrying things, meeling if i have 2, etc) + 6 item + 2 rams = 18
dex 18 +2 elf +3 ranger + 4 levels +6 item + 3 exceptional +2 tome = 38
con 14 + 6 item + 2 tome = 22
int 8 = 8
wis 12 + 6 item = 18
cha = 8

writing this up at work, not sure if these stats are possible
i get rapid shot, and the precise shots for free, multishot as well (even though i wont be using it)
maybe

toughness
ic: ranged
the 3 for tempest?
weapon finesse

[Kadran]

k think it will be 20 ranger

just tossing this out there

alignment: any

elf

str 10 (for carrying things, meeling if i have 2, etc) + 6 item + 2 rams = 18
dex 18 +2 elf +3 ranger + 4 levels +6 item + 3 exceptional +2 tome = 38
con 14 + 6 item + 2 tome = 22
int 8 = 8
wis 12 + 6 item = 18
cha = 8

writing this up at work, not sure if these stats are possible
i get rapid shot, and the precise shots for free, multishot as well (even though i wont be using it)
maybe

toughness
ic: ranged
the 3 for tempest?
what else would be nice?
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Those stats are possible. I'd consider Weapon Finesse. You get the TWF feats (minus Greater) for free, but your STR isn't high enough to do anything at end game. If you work in Finesse, you can still use power 5 weapons quite well (even w/o Tempest).

Tempest would be great if you can fit it in.

As a note, you probably won't get the +3 exceptional Dex bonus if you have a WoP Repeater. I'd plan on a +3 Tome instead, and not incorporate the +3 Shroud Dex (unless I am mistaken that it can only be placed on a weapon.) This will give you a more accurate representation of what your ideal AC/PTH will be at end game. Also, a +1 WoP Repeater is just as good as a +3 WoP repeater, as you'll likely be using the Deneith Bolts anyway. Just a thought. ;-)

[Talon_Moonshadow]

With the Rgr capstone announcement, I would say Rgr 20 is the only way to go. (but we have to wait and see...make sure it works with repeaters)

Before that...Ftr. (Kensei mod 9).
Ftrs get more feats and there are several ranged feats that only a Ftr can get.
Rog isn't bad.....if you get close you get SA damage.

Edit: forgot Brb. Old Crit rage....and maybe new Frenzied Berzerker....should still have high crits and good DPS.

[vtecfiend99]

grandfathered crit rage 2 barbarian is the best repeater user. a w/p repeater used in this way is more than sick. It's an incredibly efficient way to stat damage trash mobs.

[Roman]

grandfathered crit rage 2 barbarian is the best repeater user. a w/p repeater used in this way is more than sick. It's an incredibly efficient way to stat damage trash mobs.

True, but keep in mind its bugged right now. A CritII barb using a repeater is criting on a 13. I'm sure that will be fixed at some point. Assuming it is corrected a CritII barb will crit on a 15-20 while a ranger will crit on a 17-20 with a 25% greater RoF.

25% faster atk speed or 10% greater crit range? Given that CritII is a sunset enhancement I would bank on ranger 20

[vtecfiend99]

True, but keep in mind its bugged right now. A CritII barb using a repeater is criting on a 13. I'm sure that will be fixed at some point. Assuming it is corrected a CritII barb will crit on a 15-20 while a ranger will crit on a 17-20 with a 25% greater RoF.

25% faster atk speed or 10% greater crit range? Given that CritII is a sunset enhancement I would bank on ranger 20

pretty sure the fix is that you are no longer able to take this enhancement. Meaning that as time goes by the number of people using this will shrink to nothing as people are forced to respec enhancements, leave the game and what not.

[Mistinarperadnacles]

One thing to consider:

25% attack speed boost might not be of any use at all.

Any class right now using repeaters with Rapid Shot suffers from the "bolts not firing" bug where the repeater should fire three bolts and get three attack rolls. Even firing at unenhanced speed does this occasionally.

Very often, it will only get two and even one.

Hence increasing your attack speed and exacerbating this problem is probably not a good idea.

The ranger rapid shot and imrpoved precise shot freebies are nice, but bow strength and multishot won't work with repeaters, so the two best ranger abilities are negated.


Maybe ditch the repeaters and go 20 Ranger using bows?

[Rydlic]

I have a repeater build right now (4 rog, 12 Fgt)

the feats you can get (Weapon Spec, and Greater Weapon Spec) along with enhancements add 5 damage to my shots, (6 if I was full fighter). But I think that I would have been better offer 2 Rog, 2 Rang, 12 Fgt.. that is 6 bonus feats from fighter, and allows rapid shot for free from rang 2 and an additional +2 reflex save. Also, halfling is not a good choise as the reduced carrying capacity comes into play too often due to how much repeaters weigh.

I have a 34 dex right now but the only issue is my reflex save (sadly only a 26). I am thinking going full ranger, just for the possible increase to speed at cap. Another way could be 2 monk, 2 ranger, 16 fighter at cap. Allowing for some tougness feats and still getting evasion with good saves across the board.

Elf, or human for bonus feat.