Help Me Chose which way to go please.

[poonce]

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Level 16 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(8 Fighter \ 2 Monk \ 6 Ranger)
Hit Points: 264
Spell Points: 90
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 17
Will: 11

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16)
Strength 12 14 16
Dexterity 17 18 22
Constitution 14 14 14
Intelligence 12 12 12
Wisdom 13 15 16
Charisma 11 12 12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16)
Balance 6 10.5 10.5
Bluff 1 1 1
Concentration 2 2 2
Diplomacy 1 1 1
Disable Device n/a n/a n/a
Haggle 3 5.5 5.5
Heal 6 17 17
Hide 4 6 8
Intimidate 3 17.5 17.5
Jump 6 12 14
Listen 2 3 5
Move Silently 4 6 8
Open Lock n/a n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair 1 1 1
Search 1 1 1
Spot 2 3 3
Swim 2 3 3
Tumble 6 10.5 10.5
Use Magic Device 3 10 10

Level 1 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Heal (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 4 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (1): Camouflage
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Longstrider
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (1): Ram's Might
Spell (1): Resist Energy
Spell (1): Summon Nature's Ally I
Spell (1): Tumble


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 8 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 11 (Monk)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 12 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical


Level 16 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+3)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Rapier Specialization I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III



Weapon Finesse
Dodge
Mobility
Spring Attack
Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Toughness
Power Attack
Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons
Power Critical
Greater Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons


Or.


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Level 16 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(3 Fighter \ 1 Monk \ 12 Ranger)
Hit Points: 234
Spell Points: 217
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 18
Will: 10

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16)
Strength 12 13 14
Dexterity 17 17 22
Constitution 14 14 14
Intelligence 12 13 13
Wisdom 13 14 14
Charisma 11 12 12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 16) (Level 16)
Balance 5 11 11
Bluff 1 1 1
Concentration 6 12 12
Diplomacy 1 1 1
Disable Device n/a n/a n/a
Haggle 1 1 1
Heal 6 20.5 20.5
Hide 3 6 8
Intimidate 3 20 20
Jump 5 16 18
Listen 2 2 4
Move Silently 3 6 8
Open Lock n/a n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair 1 1 1
Search 1 1 1
Spot 2 2 2
Swim 1 2 2
Tumble 5 11 11
Use Magic Device 3 10.5 10.5

Level 1 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Heal (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 4 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (1): Camouflage
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Longstrider
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (1): Ram's Might
Spell (1): Resist Energy
Spell (1): Summon Nature's Ally I
Spell (1): Tumble


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 8 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Heal (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy


Level 12 (Ranger)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+2.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Spell (2): Barkskin
Spell (2): Bear's Endurance
Spell (2): Cat's Grace
Spell (2): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (2): Hold Animal
Spell (2): Mass Camouflage
Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom
Spell (2): Protection From Energy
Spell (2): Snare
Spell (2): Spike Growth
Spell (2): Summon Nature's Ally II


Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+2.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion


Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+2.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Monstrous Humanoid


Level 15 (Ranger)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1.5)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot
Spell (3): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (3): Neutralize Poison
Spell (3): Remove Disease
Spell (3): Summon Nature's Ally III
Spell (3): Wild Instincts


Level 16 (Ranger)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion II
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion III
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion IV
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild II
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild III
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I




Weapon Finesse
Dodge
Mobility
Spring Attack
Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Toughness
Power Attack
Cleave

Let me know if you guys would do anything different on either build or which one would generally be better. Also if there are any mistakes let me know pls.

Thanks Guys.

[poonce]

I think i like the Top Build better. My Toon is already at Lvl 6 Ranger btw.

Edit:

Also can someone give me a AC breakdown on both builds just from the Stats. Im not sure how to do this. Im not sure which Favored Enemies to chose also so help with that would be cool to.

[Thanimal]

What's the 3rd level of Fighter for in the lower build? I'm not quickly thinking of a reason that Ranger 12/Fighter 2/Monk 2 wouldn't be clearly superior.

Since you're a Finesse build, I'm pretty sure I'd lean toward Ranger 12/Fighter 2/Monk 2. The DPS on these paths seems likely to be very similar, but you should have slightly better to-hit and non-trivially better AC on the mostly-Ranger path.

However, once you take a step down THAT path, you should really consider Ranger 14/Fighter 1/Monk 1. This gives up two feats, +1 STR enh, +1 WIS enh, and Monk "centered" bonus, but sets you up to qualify for Tempest III some day (Ranger 18/F1/M1), which is *probably* a huge increase in DPS (I don't think they've announced *exactly* how the extra attack works yet, though).

[Thanimal]

Also can someone give me a AC breakdown on both builds just from the Stats. Im not sure how to do this. Im not sure which Favored Enemies to chose also so help with that would be cool to.

My reasonable guess at the stats (@ 16):

Fighter 8 path:
DEX: 17 base + 2 Ranger enh + 2 Halfling enh + 2 Tome + 6 item + 4 level bumps = 33
WIS: 13 base + 1 Monk enh + 2 Tome + 6 item = 22
no other bonuses

AC contribution: 11 + 6 = 17

Ranger 12 path:
DEX: 17 base + 3 Ranger enh + 2 Halfling enh + 2 Tome + 6 item + 4 level bumps = 34
WIS: 13 base + 1 Monk enh + 2 Tome + 6 item = 22
additional Tempest AC of +1

AC contribution: 12 + 6 + 1 = 19

So I believe the Ranger 12 path offers 2 more points of AC.

EDIT: Actually, the Ranger 12 path will often offer a total of 4 more points of AC, because you can self-Barkskin for 5 instead of just 3 off a potion.

As to favored enemies, I am totally unqualified to answer that, because I'm not expert on the enemy breakdown in the end-game, but I can echo what I've read: Undead, Evil Outsiders, Giants seem to be very popular choices.

[poonce]

for the mostly fighter build, If they end up taking away Monk ac bonus basicly the 2 lvls would be for Evasion then, for the mostly ranger build if they take away the ac bonus the toon will be ruined . .

Am i missing a Tempest II somewhere? people always say Tempest Feat(s)**

Im not plannign on Being a "Centered" Monk either, I plan on wearing Light Armor and dual Rapiers. :)

On the other hand i could get Storm Stance and use Kama's to make attack speed even greater? or will it not stack?

[Thanimal]

for the mostly fighter build, If they end up taking away Monk ac bonus basicly the 2 lvls would be for Evasion then, for the mostly ranger build if they take away the ac bonus the toon will be ruined . .

That would be such a fundamental change AND departure from P&P that I think planning for it is too conservative. I can't guarantee it won't happen, but I also can't guarantee they won't take away the Tempest line entirely if they lose their minds...


Am i missing a Tempest II somewhere? people always say Tempest Feat(s)**

Yes, Mod 9 brings Tempest II (at Ranger 12) and Tempest III (at Ranger 18). Look for Eladrin's reveal thread on those.


Im not plannign on Being a "Centered" Monk either, I plan on wearing Light Armor and dual Rapiers. :)

Don't think you can justify wearing armor on either build. Your AC should be MUCH higher (at higher levels anyhow) without it:

7 armored bracers [8 exists but on with a race restriction]
11 dex (or more with mostly-Ranger plan)
6 wis
--
+24

vs.

10 (from +5 Mithral Breast Plate)
5 (max dex bonus of +5 MBP)
2 Chaosguards (*maybe*)
--
+17

Not even a little bit close. Putting on a suit of armor costs you a minimum of 7 points of AC. (Intuitive, huh? :))

Dual rapiers is fine -- the AC bonus still works in that case. But I do expect them to change THAT since the very name of the bonus is "centered" -- seems to be a bug to me.


On the other hand i could get Storm Stance and use Kama's to make attack speed even greater? or will it not stack?

Wind Stance I think you mean, which probably is useful in some situations. But good Rapiers should result in way higher DPS most of the time.

Edit: Tempest (competence bonus as of Mod 9) and Wind Stance (partly Insight bonus; partly Enhancement bonus) do stack, but the exact nature of boost stacking is still the subject of a hairy investigation that cforce is leading and I am helping out with. :)

[Gadget2775]

Dual rapiers is fine -- the AC bonus still works in that case. But I do expect them to change THAT since the very name of the bonus is "centered" -- seems to be a bug to me.

The problem with that thought is Centered was created by Turbine and tied to Flurry of Blows. The only thing a Monk using non-specific weapons looses is the attack speed boost from Flurry. There's nothing anywhere to indicate they should loose their AC bonus when utilizing other weapons. It's much more likely that they simply needed a name to attach to the bonus that'd allow it to stack and "Centered" sounds Monkish.

[Gadget2775]

for the mostly fighter build, If they end up taking away Monk ac bonus basicly the 2 lvls would be for Evasion then, for the mostly ranger build if they take away the ac bonus the toon will be ruined . .

Am i missing a Tempest II somewhere? people always say Tempest Feat(s)**

Tempest (Preview) (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=168667)

Something to keep in mind is we don't know if there'll be any way other than Tempest 3 to obtain Superior Two Weapon Fighting. Not trying to discourage you from Multi-Classing, but I'd really wait for the new Mod to before getting to attached to a new build...There's just way to much information we don't have access to at this point.

[poonce]

the thing is that when i started this toon he was going to be the iron monk build, but i didnt like some of the feats that build had so switched it up a bit, so basicly he has the 14 wis for the ac bonus, but is lvl 6 rngr, so i can either delete and say screw the 5 tomes i ate or try to make it work out.

so is tempest 2 and 3 going to give additional 10% making the total 30%? (Stacks) or are they going to just give 2 more ac total?

if the attack speed doesnt stack i can live without 2 and 3 tbh . .

[Lifespawn]

the thing is that when i started this toon he was going to be the iron monk build, but i didnt like some of the feats that build had so switched it up a bit, so basicly he has the 14 wis for the ac bonus, but is lvl 6 rngr, so i can either delete and say screw the 5 tomes i ate or try to make it work out.

so is tempest 2 and 3 going to give additional 10% making the total 30%? (Stacks) or are they going to just give 2 more ac total?

if the attack speed doesnt stack i can live without 2 and 3 tbh . .

attack speed doesn't stack and honestly 12 ftr 6 ranger 2 monk will be a very solid build i have one at 8/6/2 currently and he gets a 65 ac selfbuffed.

[Gadget2775]

It's just the one speed boost for Tempest. However, Tempest three offers the equivelent of Superior TWF.