just a thought.

[meph]

So i really like the look of TWF and the way daggers look, i was wondering if daggers would be viable weapons to TWF at end game? thinking something like drow (dont have 32pters yet) ftr2/rnger14+.. Thanks.

[gfunk]

You give up a fair amount of damage with daggers relative to other pierce spec'd weapons (especially relative to the much vaunted rapier), largely due to the poorer crit range and somewhat due to the lesser base damage (though greensteel daggers do 1-6 base so its not horrible there).

If you want smallish weapons for a different look you might consider kukri's which still have the same crit range of the rapier (though even with those I am sure that alot of people will look at you a bit funny, and their are no racial enhancements for these).

Novelty weapon choices (those that don't do max damage) are for people who either don't care what others think of them, or who lack the funds to acquire the best of the popular weapons (popular 1h weapons to include ~: Rapier, Khopesh, Dwarven Axe, and to a lesser extent Picks). Scimitars often get the bum's treatment and are probably not considered popular even though they do fairly nice damage.

The less popular (gimp) weapons such as daggers, shortswords, kukris, scimitars, longswords and bastard swords can be found at insanely low prices, so that might be an attractive feature. If you plan on capping a character and then doing alot of raiding I would tend to shy away from these weapons and go with one of the popular ones. (in the dedicated raiding type groups, every point of damage counts.. or at least thats probably the prevelant opinion)

[meph]

ahh well that sucks.. oh well..

[Balkas]

If you want to use daggers, go for it. You will not be a gimp.

I use longswords on my main (he's elf so he gets the racial enhancements, and I'm hoping they add Whirling Steel Strike in to make longswords Ki weapons) and he has no trouble dealing damage or holding aggro on late game raid bosses (even with the aggro reduction from Tharne's set).

Play how you want to play.

:)

[gfunk]

Play how you want to play.

:)

agreed... if "how you want to play" includes being ok with doing ~20% less damage then what you could be doing with more powerful weapons. Some people will accept you for doing it, but be prepared that other people will think you are a sub-optimal build.

[meph]

well.. i decided i will go ahead and make a char that i can use daggers with if i want, but also has the ability to use rapiers well.. let me know what you think, and / or any improvments you could suggest. I #1 cannot afford the w/p rapier uberness.. but figured this char could use the weaps and rely on the crits instead of stat dmg till i can get a w/p rapier or hell just a punct rapier. but also if i wanted to throw on some nice daggers just for flair i could without any real penalty.. so here it is.. be gentle i havnt made many character builds..


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Level 16 Lawful Good Drow Male
(2 Fighter \ 14 Ranger)
Hit Points: 216
Spell Points: 191
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 17
Will: 6

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Stats Modified Stats
Abilities (Level 1) (Level 16)
Strength 14 14
Dexterity 18 27
Constitution 12 12
Intelligence 10 10
Wisdom 14 14
Charisma 10 10

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Hide I
Enhancement: Ranger Hide II
Enhancement: Ranger Move Silently I
Enhancement: Ranger Move Silently II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I




I went with drow because i dont have 32pt builds yet.. and i went with ranger first o get tempest quick.. i had concidered going with fighter after ranger 6 but wanted bark skin and other self buffs. also will end up being ranger 18 ftr 2 when they raise the cap. ok.. enough of my rambling.