My pure FTR gets hit way too much

[Voalkrynn2]

I take too many hits when I fight dual wielding. I was running around in the Vale yesterday and in a 1 on 1 encounter with one Ogre I took like 3 bludgeon hits for a total of 80 hit points (that is typical so I don't solo much). Obviously that can place a burden on the healer's mana and causes me to waste my meager amount of gold on pots.

Here are (most of) the relevant data:
376 hitpoints
level 14

+3 Mith tower shield (with AC ritual)
+4 Mith full plate (with AC ritual)
Dusk heart (10% chance for mobs to miss my A§§)
Dex 21 (+5 max to AC only have the feats for +4 atm so one more is possible)
+1 parry from a weap (not the primary weapon)
+1 haste (I have a ghetto clickie and of course pots)
+3 barkskin (pots)
__________
44 is decent? if so I need to move from dual wielding and turtle up.

+5 Combat expertise
_________________
49 are we now talking?

Here are the dual wield data:
+4 Mith full plate (with AC ritual)
Dusk heart (10% chance for mobs to miss my A§§)
Dex 21 (+5 max to AC only have the feats for +4 atm)
+1 haste (I have a ghetto clickie and pots)
+3 barkskin (pots)
+5 Combat expertise (I can drop bastard sword and take this but I love my Ice burst Bastard sword of grtr dragon bane for the odd VON run.).
_________________
40 ish w/o buffs

Are either of those good enough for a dual wield ftr? If I want to avoid being a mana sponge should I re-spec from dual wielding?

I know there are ueber things out there to assist me chattering something or other from Titan for example but I never pull such stuff. I can't lead that raid and the pugs aren't there lately (Phynas? Alchito?).

[FluffyCalico]

AC that low you will get nailed alot.

For a quick and easy AC try this has nothing special in it

+5 mithril heavy shield-ah
Dragon touched crafted blank with +5 protect and +4 insight-4 quests and some time
Chaos guard -AH
and the rest of your stuff
Note this won't give you super ac but it will make it something useful for most trash, I'm not great with #s but I think this will add 12 to your ac. If not I am sure someone will correct me.

[Aranticus]

I take too many hits when I fight dual wielding. I was running around in the Vale yesterday and in a 1 on 1 encounter with one Ogre I took like 3 bludgeon hits for a total of 80 hit points (that is typical so I don't solo much). Obviously that can place a burden on the healer's mana and causes me to waste my meager amount of gold on pots.

Here are (most of) the relevant data:
376 hitpoints
level 14

+3 Mith tower shield (with AC ritual)

you can use a +5

+4 Mith full plate (with AC ritual)

see shield

Dusk heart (10% chance for mobs to miss my A§§)

run shroud for displacement clickies

Dex 21 (+5 max to AC only have the feats for +4 atm so one more is possible)
+1 parry from a weap (not the primary weapon)

run shroud for insight +4

+1 haste (I have a ghetto clickie and of course pots)
+3 barkskin (pots)
__________
44 is decent? if so I need to move from dual wielding and turtle up.

you have prot +5? madstone rage gives +4 barkskin. dodge feat for 1 more ac?

+5 Combat expertise
_________________
49 are we now talking?

Here are the dual wield data:
+4 Mith full plate (with AC ritual)
Dusk heart (10% chance for mobs to miss my A§§)
Dex 21 (+5 max to AC only have the feats for +4 atm)
+1 haste (I have a ghetto clickie and pots)
+3 barkskin (pots)
+5 Combat expertise (I can drop bastard sword and take this but I love my Ice burst Bastard sword of grtr dragon bane for the odd VON run.).
_________________
40 ish w/o buffs

Are either of those good enough for a dual wield ftr? If I want to avoid being a mana sponge should I re-spec from dual wielding?

I know there are ueber things out there to assist me chattering something or other from Titan for example but I never pull such stuff. I can't lead that raid and the pugs aren't there lately (Phynas? Alchito?).

check out my DPS/intimitank

[Voalkrynn2]

AC that low you will get nailed alot.

For a quick and easy AC try this has nothing special in it

+5 mithril heavy shield-ah
Dragon touched crafted blank with +5 protect and +4 insight-4 quests and some time
Chaos guard -AH
and the rest of your stuff
Note this won't give you super ac but it will make it something useful for most trash, I'm not great with #s but I think this will add 12 to your ac. If not I am sure someone will correct me.

Hi thx for the input true neutral is my aligment so guards are out. I will look into the other things. So if I want to continue to dual wield I can add at most 5 or 6 to my AC under your scheme?

[FluffyCalico]

Hi thx for the input true neutral is my aligment so guards are out. I will look into the other things. So if I want to continue to dual wield I can add at most 5 or 6 to my AC under your scheme?

Well just the dragon touched armor is +5 protection and +4 insight and has 15 armor and 1 dex so that alone should boost your by 10AC. You could also toss on +5 resistance or GFL or deathblock for your 3rd enchantment

And don't get me wrong there are other items, I am just useing simple to get things in trying to help.

[samho]

Well just the dragon touched armor is +5 protection and +4 insight and has 15 armor and 1 dex so that alone should boost your by 10AC. You could also toss on +5 resistance or GFL or deathblock for your 3rd enchantment

True neutral may knock out chaos guards but it opens up stability. Anyone remember what type of AC stability is and if it stacks with everything else?

Deflection Bonus (which means, any level 5+ protection item or a simply cleric's shield of faith will cover it; even Protection From Evil's ac bonus come from the same form)


I think the real kicker was True Neutral with UMD (30+ at end game if you aim for equip gears only), where you can use probably most every UMD-able things without penalty, also not affect by Protection From Good and special spell effect from cleric level 4 alignment-type mini nuke (Order's Wrath, Chaos' Hammer, Holy Smite, and so on)

[Borror0]

True neutral may knock out chaos guards but it opens up stability. Anyone remember what type of AC stability is and if it stacks with everything else?
Stability is a Deflection bonus, which means it's nearly useless. Same goes for Greater Stability.

[FluffyCalico]

Stability is a Deflection bonus, which means it's nearly useless. Same goes for Greater Stability.

Thanks my fighter is not true neutral so I never bothered to find out which it was

[Borror0]

Thanks my fighter is not true neutral so I never bothered to find out which it was
This is why there probably was a lot of frustration when people discovered the Chaosgarde...

[FluffyCalico]

This is why there probably was a lot of frustration when people discovered the Chaosgarde...

Yeah to give you an idea how old my fighter is...He is lawful good so he could use retribution lol I remember dual wielding 2 retributions at level 8. That was the stuff :eek:

But yes he has umd and that's a good thing

[Soul-Shaker]

Check out this thread
Maximum ac for pure fighter? (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=167990)

As for you not being able to use chaosgarde, shame on you. Most of the umd comes from items and then ranks can always help. 4gh + 2luck/recitation spell/dqstaff + 3 cha mod(+6cha item) + 6 shroud/dt cha skill items item(s) + 3/5 umd items(cartouche/seer staff/seven finger gloves) = 18/20 umd without ranks +/- base cha + ranks. So its pretty easy to hit umd 20 even on a cross-class skill to equip.

[Voalkrynn2]

Check out this thread
Maximum ac for pure fighter? (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=167990)

As for you not being able to use chaosgarde, shame on you. Most of the umd comes from items and then ranks can always help. 4gh + 2luck/recitation spell/dqstaff + 3 cha mod(+6cha item) + 6 shroud/dt cha skill items item(s) + 3/5 umd items(cartouche/seer staff/seven finger gloves) = 18/20 umd without ranks +/- base cha + ranks. So its pretty easy to hit umd 20 even on a cross-class skill to equip.


Don't have any UMD......

I'll check the link.

LOL shame on me....

Let's keep the "As Khyber Turns" element out of a general topic thread.

[Soul-Shaker]

Let's keep the "As Khyber Turns" element out of a general topic thread.

Khyber has nothing to do with the fact that its pretty easy to get umd 20 without any skillpoints. It just shows that you can hit 20 umd with JUST item investment and you would only need to equip those items once every log in to equip that chaosgarde. If your a human you can get skill boost for 2-5 more, can also take a feats for 3-5 more, or get a friendly bard to sing to you +3 umd bard songs (2 inspire comp + 1 Spell singer).

Hope that at least influences you to open UMD skill up out of N/A before you hit lvl 16.

[Aranticus]

this the link
dps/intimitank (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=171420)

ps: this toon has umd :D

[Moonblood]

If your end game AC is 50+ with buffs at the rate your going I wouldn't waste anything on getting it higher. What you need is HP's... You can achieve getting your HP well over 500 in a meriad of ways. Toughness toughness and more toughness, greensteel hp items, madstone boots, con tomes, greater false life etc etc etc... my human can get to 615 hp and about 50 or more ac.. damage isn't an issue.

[Voalkrynn2]

If your end game AC is 50+ with buffs at the rate your going I wouldn't waste anything on getting it higher. What you need is HP's... You can achieve getting your HP well over 500 in a meriad of ways. Toughness toughness and more toughness, greensteel hp items, madstone boots, con tomes, greater false life etc etc etc... my human can get to 615 hp and about 50 or more ac.. damage isn't an issue.

I have 376 hit points at lvl 14 w/o grinding for some of those difficult to obtain items I might hit what 450 to 500? I've yet to flag this toon for shroud.

[Moonblood]

Greater false life should get you to 430hp or so at 16, then make yourself a hp item such as goggles or helmet and that'll bring you to 475, and maybe switch out a feat for toughness and you should get close to 500... then with madstone rage and GH you can get it up some more. Your AC is fine, your not gonna get a super AC fighter out of the deal, nor would you neeed one, better to have the HP and dish the pain. Good luck.

[Inspire]

OP; You may want to check out Huskarl in my signature, who is also a Pure level 16 True Neutral Fighter.

There are some tips in there to help you with your Ac I think.

[alchilito]

I can't lead that raid and the pugs aren't there lately (Phynas? Alchilito?).

Well, I am still running Titan to help my friend Gordion achieve his 20th. Look me up tonight after 6 pm CST if you want to run it. I also recommend you check out Kehgeld´s green puzzle room thread in the user written guides forums so you can start becoming a little bit more experienced in a specific aspect of the raid. Phynas is taking an extended AFK, waiting for Mod9 (Soon™).

Regarding your OP Voal, you should definitely check out Aranticus suggestions, they are pretty much right on point. His templates also give a good reference point for AC breakdowns.

Peace.

[Thrudh]

The main thing you're missing is a protection item... You can get another +4 or +5 AC from that.

You also should start looking for a +5 Mithral Tower Shield.

[Aganazer]

+3 Mith tower shield (with AC ritual)
+4 Mith full plate (with AC ritual)


I am a somewhat new player working on a high AC intimitank. What is the 'AC ritual' that the OP mentions?

[Borror0]

What is the 'AC ritual' that the OP mentions?
It can be performed by putting the right ingredients (http://ddo.enterwiki.net/page/Stone_of_Change_-_Recipes) into a Stone of Change along with the piece of equipment you want to upgrade.

[alchilito]

I am a somewhat new player working on a high AC intimitank. What is the 'AC ritual' that the OP mentions?

You first bind and attune your armor/robe/rags on the eldritch machine next to the market mailbox. You use khyber fragments for this.

Once bound and attuned, you put in your armor, 5 vials of pure water and 22? strings of prayer beads for a +1 Alchemical AC bonus.

Presto !


I wish the devs come up with some more rituals, there is potential for SOOOOOOOO much stuff...

[Borror0]

I wish the devs come up with some more rituals, there is potential for SOOOOOOOO much stuff...
It would be cooler if they made the attuned gear Bound to Account instead. It'd make it less scary/unpleasant to attune gear that way.

[toddex]

You know I can think of a simple way for you to get more protection while dual wielding, they could add in ANIMATED SHIELDS!

[Noctus]

You know I can think of a simple way for you to get more protection while dual wielding, they could add in ANIMATED SHIELDS!

Yeah, good idea.

Lets kill off Sword&Board Style for real this time.

So you are either a THF-Swinger with an animated shield, or a TWF-Tornado with an animated Shield.

[dopey69]

I take too many hits when I fight dual wielding. I was running around in the Vale yesterday and in a 1 on 1 encounter with one Ogre I took like 3 bludgeon hits for a total of 80 hit points (that is typical so I don't solo much). Obviously that can place a burden on the healer's mana and causes me to waste my meager amount of gold on pots.

Here are (most of) the relevant data:
376 hitpoints
level 14

+3 Mith tower shield (with AC ritual)
+4 Mith full plate (with AC ritual)
Dusk heart (10% chance for mobs to miss my A§§)
Dex 21 (+5 max to AC only have the feats for +4 atm so one more is possible)
+1 parry from a weap (not the primary weapon)
+1 haste (I have a ghetto clickie and of course pots)
+3 barkskin (pots)
__________
44 is decent? if so I need to move from dual wielding and turtle up.

+5 Combat expertise
_________________
49 are we now talking?

Here are the dual wield data:
+4 Mith full plate (with AC ritual)
Dusk heart (10% chance for mobs to miss my A§§)
Dex 21 (+5 max to AC only have the feats for +4 atm)
+1 haste (I have a ghetto clickie and pots)
+3 barkskin (pots)
+5 Combat expertise (I can drop bastard sword and take this but I love my Ice burst Bastard sword of grtr dragon bane for the odd VON run.).
_________________
40 ish w/o buffs

Are either of those good enough for a dual wield ftr? If I want to avoid being a mana sponge should I re-spec from dual wielding?

I know there are ueber things out there to assist me chattering something or other from Titan for example but I never pull such stuff. I can't lead that raid and the pugs aren't there lately (Phynas? Alchito?).

as others posted take all you can too get your hps up your ac will never be turtle type ne ways . I never waste too much on dex with a heavy plate wearer because would rather wear pluss 5 adamantine heavy armour than mithral full plate unless you are a pally build and do not want spell fails . that dex into con and str and we would not be talkin on teh forums :) good luck and don't worry you will be fine :)

[Aganazer]

It can be performed by putting the right ingredients (http://ddo.enterwiki.net/page/Stone_of_Change_-_Recipes) into a Stone of Change along with the piece of equipment you want to upgrade.

Wow, that explains the auction prices for all those collectibles. I was wondering why those items sold as well as they did. I guess I should hang onto the collectibles that I will need for when I get a +5 Mithril FP and Tower Shield.

AC ritual, Chaosguards, and Chattering Ring all use a dodge bonus. Do all dodge AC bonuses stack?

[Junts]

Wow, that explains the auction prices for all those collectibles. I was wondering why those items sold as well as they did. I guess I should hang onto the collectibles that I will need for when I get a +5 Mithril FP and Tower Shield.

AC ritual, Chaosguards, and Chattering Ring all use a dodge bonus. Do all dodge AC bonuses stack?


dodge and exceptional bonuses stack as long as htey have different numbers (eg 2 stacks with 3, but 3 and 3 do not)

the ac rituals are called dodge but function differently and stack with each other (or other +1 dodge bonuses), their typing is erroneous to their function

so, yes

[alchilito]

dodge and exceptional bonuses stack as long as htey have different numbers (eg 2 stacks with 3, but 3 and 3 do not)

the ac rituals are called dodge but function differently and stack with each other (or other +1 dodge bonuses), their typing is erroneous to their function

so, yes

Soooo does anyone know if dual chattering rings still stack ?

:D

[Borror0]

AC ritual, Chaosguards, and Chattering Ring all use a dodge bonus. Do all dodge AC bonuses stack?
How Dodge bonuses stack in DDO is pretty backward.

Loot:

Identical numbers don't stack. 2+3=5 but 3+3=3

Ritual and anything non-loot related:

Everything stacks, including with loot. In that case, 4+4=8 and +4 from Inspire Heroics stacks with the +4 Dodge from loot.

Hopefully, they will put some order in this one day or another...

[Hobgoblin]

as others posted take all you can too get your hps up your ac will never be turtle type ne ways . I never waste too much on dex with a heavy plate wearer because would rather wear pluss 5 adamantine heavy armour than mithral full plate unless you are a pally build and do not want spell fails . that dex into con and str and we would not be talkin on teh forums :) good luck and don't worry you will be fine :)

um pallys never have to worry about spell failure. If you can spare the feats dodge will get 1 more protection item at least +4 are easy to get ....

[DoctorWhofan]

Not an expert by all means, but you are missing a protection item. More troubling is your HP. Greater False Life, Minos Legen, rage clickies will help there.

I am sure when you started thistoon, you were not planning anything, as alot of us were when we started, but now you are spitting on current endgame's door. I have learned it can be quite expensive to play catch up. A have a capped Pally there. 39 AC and 25 STR, 429 HP. For him, I gave him the best I can get, start the crafting process with him, and Gave him banaishers, paralzyers, disruptors, etc.

In the end, you need to decide what is more important: AC, HP, or better weapons. Everyone will cost you some plat if you do not have them or for feat changes.

[alchilito]

In the end, you need to decide what is more important: AC, HP, or better weapons

All of the above...

AC starts to matter when you hit 60 ish...

HP on a tank ? At least 400 please...

Weaponry ? Shroud killed the random loot. Mineral II or LS ftw.

[Zenako]

Back to your first post OP. When running solo, with a AC type build, it can very often be better to whip out that shield instead of TWF all the time.

Often times the shield alone will dramatically cut down the mobs chances to hit you, sometimes in a perfect storm from 50% chance to 5% due to the 9AC you could get from a +5 tower shield. While you will dish out damage at about half the rate of before, you will only take 1/10 the amount coming back (and almost never get critted). I have a midlevel AC build running around now, and when I tag team mobs with the Bodyfeeder Rapier and a Mob appropriate weapon, I can often times get by with virtually no healing needed in level appropriate quests. Which goes back to your original question. Sure it takes me 10 seconds to kill the mob instead of 5, but I am also not sitting with 150 points of boo boos on me afterwards so I don't have to wait for healing, just keep on moving and attacking. Often make a point of rushing ahead to get initial aggro from mobs so the much lower AC types are not the initial focus of the mobs attacks. While I don't get the kills, it can really help the party.

Also for TWF do you have all the appropriate feats so you are not taking undue penalties to hit?

[Hobgoblin]

also grab a heavy fort item if you dont have it

[Voalkrynn2]

Well, I am still running Titan to help my friend Gordion achieve his 20th. Look me up tonight after 6 pm CST if you want to run it. I also recommend you check out Kehgeld´s green puzzle room thread in the user written guides forums so you can start becoming a little bit more experienced in a specific aspect of the raid. Phynas is taking an extended AFK, waiting for Mod9 (Soon™).

Regarding your OP Voal, you should definitely check out Aranticus suggestions, they are pretty much right on point. His templates also give a good reference point for AC breakdowns.

Peace.

Sorry 6 PM CST is too late for me during the week, that is like 1 AM CET. We seem to typically cross paths on the weekends I'll look for you Fri. and Sat. Thx everyone for pointing me to the various references out there and AC help.

BTW I need to flag the toons for Titan (HIPS is done) I will work on that Thurs. and early Fri.