Turbine, you must consider offering more character slots

[Rindalathar]

I know we've heard this before over the last three years, but it still is a valid concern. We were happy when we got an additional slot for Mod 7, but that was eight months ago. You are offering an XP weekend for the anniversary, but there are those who don't have slots to even use to take advantage of it.

I personally have slots, but that's not the point. There has to be a way to open up slots to more players. A guildie of mine is currently transferring a character to another server because of a lack of slots. That shouldn't be a choice he has to make. All of his guildies are on his home server.

We've had premium services offered to us in the past, so what is the reason as to why we can't buy more slots offered as a premium service? I'm sure many would take advantage of this. How could this hurt other players? It doesn't give an in-game advantage to anyone that I can see.

Turbine, from a business standpoint, it makes sense. You have the best character generating system in any MMO. People like to experiment and push the limits of this system. People who do this are getting punished for testing this system. People gripe about cookie-cutter builds, etc. Perhaps some who would like to play around with unorthodox builds simply can't, due to lack of slots.

Come on everybody. Tell me why this would be such a bad thing. I must be missing something here.

[Hendrik]

I know we've heard this before over the last three years, but it still is a valid concern. We were happy when we got an additional slot for Mod 7, but that was eight months ago. You are offering an XP weekend for the anniversary, but there are those who don't have slots to even use to take advantage of it.

I personally have slots, but that's not the point. There has to be a way to open up slots to more players. A guildie of mine is currently transferring a character to another server because of a lack of slots. That shouldn't be a choice he has to make. All of his guildies are on his home server.

We've had premium services offered to us in the past, so what is the reason as to why we can't buy more slots offered as a premium service? I'm sure many would take advantage of this. How could this hurt other players? It doesn't give an in-game advantage to anyone that I can see.

Turbine, from a business standpoint, it makes sense. You have the best character generating system in any MMO. People like to experiment and push the limits of this system. People who do this are getting punished for testing this system. People gripe about cookie-cutter builds, etc. Perhaps some who would like to play around with unorthodox builds simply can't, due to lack of slots.

Come on everybody. Tell me why this would be such a bad thing. I must be missing something here.


Make a character on your non-home server and have him transferred to your home server. Ta-da, extra character.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Make a character on your non-home server and have him transferred to your home server. Ta-da, extra character.

That means you need to transfer with 1750 off, and then back, so that's $50 just to open up the possibilty. Then another $25 for each char you move. That's a bit pricey.

Now if it was $25 to permanently open an extra spot, that would be fine. But $25 to open a spot, get to L3 and decide its reroll time meaning another $25? That would get a bit costly.

[Hendrik]

That means you need to transfer with 1750 off, and then back, so that's $50 just to open up the possibilty. Then another $25 for each char you move. That's a bit pricey.

Now if it was $25 to permanently open an extra spot, that would be fine. But $25 to open a spot, get to L3 and decide its reroll time meaning another $25? That would get a bit costly.


Just pointing out it is available and is an option as it seemed that the OP was not aware of this.

[Zenako]

Another potentially more affordable option is to just open a second account. Cheaper than making a lot of transfers, and it comes with a lot of play benefits too. It is not that hard to get 1750 on that second account if that is what is motivating you, it also opens up all sorts of synergys. With discounts, you could end up paying less for the whole account (10 slots) than you would to keep moving single toons around. All those names below do not fit on one account (since those are all on one server).

[Thrudh]

Yeah a second account is a good solution for people with 10 capped characters...

But Turbine is being pretty dumb by not offering extra character slots for $1-$2 a month each.

[Memnir]

I'd pay either a one time flat fee, or a (small) per-month charge for extra characters. Making new alts is one of the aspects of the game that keeps it interesting.

[Inspire]

Making new alts is one of the aspects of the game that keeps it interesting.

Qft, if I could make all the characters I plan in my head...

[Krell]

I moved one of my old 28 point builds with 1750 favor to another server which opened up a slot. Then whenever I feel like a new character, I create it on the second server then move him to my primary server. This seems to work for me. Basically $25 for a new slot.

[Rindalathar]

I hear what everyone's saying here about other servers, transferring, etc. Just seems so much easier to simply allow to pay for additional slot or slots either as a one time shot, say $25 bucks or like someone already mentioned, a buck or two more each month for each slot you'd like. Really sounds like a win-win for us and Turbine.

[ArkoHighStar]

I'd pay either a one time flat fee, or a (small) per-month charge for extra characters. Making new alts is one of the aspects of the game that keeps it interesting.

I agree bit at 10 slots, you can't say that Turbine hasn't given us room to play with different builds, when we were at 5 slots the argument was much stronger, but now qith everyone starting with 10 slots, the sentiment of making you open a second account makes more sense. Although as some have pointed out I am not opposed to a 1 time fee, or 1-2$ month extra for more slots. But the demad for free slots without the addition of new races or classes, just doesn't hold water with me anymore.

[Grenfell]

I moved one of my old 28 point builds with 1750 favor to another server which opened up a slot. Then whenever I feel like a new character, I create it on the second server then move him to my primary server. This seems to work for me. Basically $25 for a new slot.

What I want is a real slot -- one that I can delete and reroll if I wanted to. If I were to do this -- transfer from another server into my home server -- do I get 11 slots on my main server?

I'm the guildmate Rindalathar is talking about. I've deleted more capped toons than I can count, seeing as how playing with new build ideas is something I do constantly. But now, I just can't bring myself to delete toons I've put years of effort into.

I would gladly pay $25 for an extra real slot, but considering the amount of effort correlated to the fee, I rather think 3 slots for $25 is a bit more fair.

/gren

[Grenfell]

I agree bit at 10 slots, you can't say that Turbine hasn't given us room to play with different builds, when we were at 5 slots the argument was much stronger, but now qith everyone starting with 10 slots, the sentiment of making you open a second account makes more sense. Although as some have pointed out I am not opposed to a 1 time fee, or 1-2$ month extra for more slots. But the demad for free slots without the addition of new races or classes, just doesn't hold water with me anymore.

Who's demanding "free" slots? I'm willing to pay for them.

What I don't want to do is get a second account and grind favor.

/gren

[ArkoHighStar]

Who's demanding "free" slots? I'm willing to pay for them.

What I don't want to do is get a second account and grind favor.

/gren

like I said I agree on those terms

[Zenako]

What I want is a real slot -- one that I can delete and reroll if I wanted to. If I were to do this -- transfer from another server into my home server -- do I get 11 slots on my main server?

/gren

I beleive if you delete and try to recreate your "11th" slot, you are not going to be able to. You would have to delete the 11th and 10th slot to open a spot to CREATE a new character in that 10th slot on that server. So every time you want to try something new and bring it home, you have to fork over the $25.

[Flintsen]

I Would Gladly Pay $25 For An Extra real Slot, But Considering The Amount Of Effort Correlated To The Fee, I Rather Think 3 Slots For $25 Is A Bit More Fair.

/gren

Signed 2x

[Zenako]

But the effort involved to create new actual slots is very different than the effort to move over overflow slots. They already have a mehcanism to handle overflow slots from the days of the merge. Game does a character count and if you have equal or greater than X (currently 10), you cannot create a new character and that option is greyed out. When they went to stable number of slots, I would guess that number became hard coded instead of a variable depending on favor level, etc. as it had to have been in the early days, and that variable was how the whole "extra" slots issue came to be.

So now, asking for the option to now have a different base number than 10, probably involves some coding changes, not just altering a value assigned to a variable. IF that is so, then it would not be something I think they would want to be dealing with on a custom basis.

[Impaqt]

I'd Love more slots and would be happy to Pay a premium for more of them. I think turbine is missing a good revenue stream here.

But what I think would be even more beneficial would be a nice incentive for me to open a second account.

RIght now, I pay $60 for 6 mos. Got in on that deal a while back.....

If I started a second account, I'd have to pay more than that and I'd have to start from scratch on favor.

Dont wanna do that.

I'd gladly pay a reasonable setup fee ($25 or so to cover the cost of someone manually going into my new account and setting the 32pt build flag) and the $60 6mos plan for my second account.

It be even better if there was a way to quickly switch between accounts as well.... Rather than shutting the whole game down.

[Memnir]

I agree bit at 10 slots, you can't say that Turbine hasn't given us room to play with different builds, when we were at 5 slots the argument was much stronger, but now qith everyone starting with 10 slots, the sentiment of making you open a second account makes more sense. Although as some have pointed out I am not opposed to a 1 time fee, or 1-2$ month extra for more slots. But the demad for free slots without the addition of new races or classes, just doesn't hold water with me anymore.I don't want a second account, and the additional up-front and monthly fees associated with it. My financial situation is not looking up these days, and any additional expense has to be heavily weighed before being taken on. A one-time fee of $10-$20, or a smaller per-month upgrade charge of $1-$3, is one that I can justify. As such, I'm also not saying I want the slot(s) for free. I think that these should be only optional, for those willing to pay for them. Free slots should be granted with new races or classes - but that is not what I am talking about.

I want one or two more character slots to try new builds, and continue to get enjoyment out of a game that is starting to get stale. I don't want to pay to move to another server - nor pay to have a character from another server moved to my home one. I am willing to pay for the privilege, so long as the cost is not too high.

However, since this has been probably the most asked for Premium Service since the introduction of the Premiums - and there has been nothing but silence from Turbine on the matter (huge suprise there), the matter is probably going to be moot anyway. I'd love to see it, but I honestly don't expect it will ever happen.

[Dracolich]

To the OP
Why not just go to gamestop, pick up the game for $4 and purchase a second account. There you have what 10 more slots? If you need more toons that bad then do that. Myself I am content with what I have since I am only a casual player and not obsessed with leveling capping then grinding shroud only to do it again and again on new characters. In my case ignorance is bliss and cheap.

[Dracolich]

I want one or two more character slots to try new builds, and continue to get enjoyment out of a game that is starting to get stale.

If you just want to try out builds why not try them on another server? They will show their true viability if they are not twinked would they not? Also you only want one or two now, when you cap those one or two then you will want one or two more I would venture to guess. Not trying to be confrontational but it seems no matter what is done it will never be enough. We have 5 servers right now, get ahead of the curve and start capping toons on other servers in the hopes they merge and poof you have 30 level capped toons ready to grind till you turn purple.

[ArkoHighStar]

I don't want a second account, and the additional up-front and monthly fees associated with it. My financial situation is not looking up these days, and any additional expense has to be heavily weighed before being taken on. A one-time fee of $10-$20, or a smaller per-month upgrade charge of $1-$3, is one that I can justify. As such, I'm also not saying I want the slot(s) for free. I think that these should be only optional, for those willing to pay for them. Free slots should be granted with new races or classes - but that is not what I am talking about.

I want one or two more character slots to try new builds, and continue to get enjoyment out of a game that is starting to get stale. I don't want to pay to move to another server - nor pay to have a character from another server moved to my home one. I am willing to pay for the privilege, so long as the cost is not too high.

However, since this has been probably the most asked for Premium Service since the introduction of the Premiums - and there has been nothing but silence from Turbine on the matter (huge suprise there), the matter is probably going to be moot anyway. I'd love to see it, but I honestly don't expect it will ever happen.

I think there is little to any opposition to the pay to play scheme, of paying for more slots, I would do it no problem, and I think most woudl too. You are right it is a golden opportuinity for Turbine, but honestly they haven't been the brightest at making money for this game in the past so why woudl they get smart now.

[Gunga]

I think I'm with the OP on this one. So many silverbacks waiting for the Mod drop, it wouldn't hurt for the vets to be able to get a taste of the 50% XP without spending money or deleting a toon or two.

The loot is garbage, so the re-rollable slot makes sense.

[Grenfell]

If you just want to try out builds why not try them on another server? They will show their true viability if they are not twinked would they not? Also you only want one or two now, when you cap those one or two then you will want one or two more I would venture to guess. Not trying to be confrontational but it seems no matter what is done it will never be enough. We have 5 servers right now, get ahead of the curve and start capping toons on other servers in the hopes they merge and poof you have 30 level capped toons ready to grind till you turn purple.

Three reasons.

1. 32pt builds.

2. How viable a toon is at lvl 4 is not a concern to me. How viable it is at endgame is. I want to be able to leverage the resources of three-plus years of gaming, and my guild, and so on to get to cap ASAP.

3. If the build turns out to be fantastic, then I'd like to be able to play it with my friends, my guildmates, and so on, on my home server. Paying $25 to transfer it to my homeserver is okay... but then I want that slot to be permanent. Hoping for server merges is not really a good solution.

/gren

[Winded]

Id pay for a premium accnt to have unlimited slots or a high limit. It is after all one of the selling points of both DnD and DDO to create and test build ideas.

The last thing I will ever do again, is grind to 1750. It aint gonna happen. I hate favor with a passion, If I wanted to work at something , Im gonna get paid.

So the facts, we can open up to 50 accnts across 5 servers, so whats the difference whether all those slots are on one server or 5?

If I as a client am saying Ill give you more money to do X and you dont at least investigate, close your doors, you aint smart enough to run a business.

[Memnir]

Gren said it quite well, Drac, but I have one point further...

The reason why I do not want to not just roll alts on a new server is friends and guildmates. For me, it's not about twinking out with uber gear - it's about playing with the friends I've made in the years spent playing this game. If it was not for them, I'd have stopped playing a long time ago.

See, you seem to have a misconception that the only reason I (and others) want to build and level characters is to get to cap and grind ourselves silly. At least for myself, it's not about the grind - it's about creating a build I enjoy playing. I'm not a super-elite-powergamer... I'm almost as causal as they come these days. Variety is the spice of life, and that's all I'm looking for these days.

Opinions will vary, but that's mine.

[DelScorcho]

/signed if they can deliver by Friday. I ordinarily just tell people to just delete their mules or 28 pointers if they need new slots, and visit their corpses on Risia; however Mod 8 has been the reroll mod, based upon the PrC information. Even with the rerolls, many people still have 10 capped, and for these people, the anniversary present is a whole lot of nothing.

[Gunga]

Gren said it quite well, Drac, but I have one point further...

The reason why I do not want to not just roll alts on a new server is friends and guildmates. For me, it's not about twinking out with uber gear - it's about playing with the friends I've made in the years spent playing this game. If it was not for them, I'd have stopped playing a long time ago.

See, you seem to have a misconception that the only reason I (and others) want to build and level characters is to get to cap and grind ourselves silly. At least for myself, it's not about the grind - it's about creating a build I enjoy playing. I'm not a super-elite-powergamer... I'm almost as causal as they come these days. Variety is the spice of life, and that's all I'm looking for these days.

Opinions will vary, but that's mine.

Nicely put.

[Dracolich]

I understand your view Memnir and quite a few others. I am not opposed to having more slots added by no means. I was just stating that because you said that you wanted to roll up some test builds to see how they worked is all. Which is why I said you didnt need extra room on your home server to test out builds.

I hope we get more slots I however am not waiting, I think we will get more slots when the servers are merged again which "will" happen.

[DoctorWhofan]

Another potentially more affordable option is to just open a second account. Cheaper than making a lot of transfers, and it comes with a lot of play benefits too. It is not that hard to get 1750 on that second account if that is what is motivating you, it also opens up all sorts of synergys. With discounts, you could end up paying less for the whole account (10 slots) than you would to keep moving single toons around. All those names below do not fit on one account (since those are all on one server).

uhm...what happens if you filled your second account up, too? :o

[Impaqt]

uhm...what happens if you filled your second account up, too? :o


You dont count :) like 25 of your 30 or so characters are level 4 or 5 arent they?:eek:

[Arianrhod]

You dont count :) like 25 of your 30 or so characters are level 4 or 5 arent they?:eek:

And she loves every one of them :P

C'mon, what harm is there in allowing more slots? It really only impacts the alt-oholics anyway, and most of us aren't even playing the same game as the high end raiders ;)

[Eelpout]

I don't want a second account, and the additional up-front and monthly fees associated with it. My financial situation is not looking up these days, and any additional expense has to be heavily weighed before being taken on. A one-time fee of $10-$20, or a smaller per-month upgrade charge of $1-$3, is one that I can justify. As such, I'm also not saying I want the slot(s) for free. I think that these should be only optional, for those willing to pay for them. Free slots should be granted with new races or classes - but that is not what I am talking about.


I think this is a very solid idea. If it is not impossible for them to implement and they won't bork everything up, this would be a nice, additional source of cashflow for them.

They really are missing the boat by not finding a way to get that going. Right now there would be a good balance between slots given and the ability to purchase additional slots. Now if it were a matter of them only giving us 2 or 3 slots to start with and then "forcing" us to buy more, I could see people getting upset.

I would definately be on board for buying extra slots at $5 to $10 bucks a slot.(one time fee, mind you)