Strength Based Rogue Suggestions?

[moorewr]

I have been considering a Strength-based TWF rogue (32pt), and just haven't gotten the build where I'd like it to be... I get concerned whether I have enough strength, and begrudge every point of dex I shave off.

I'm interested in your suggestions.. not to concerned about pure vs. splash, although I'd like at least 13 levels of rogue.

EDIT: Impaqt's build index provides the Vulkoors Assassin - a murderous rogue/paladin with a heart of gold?
3pal/13rogue==>15Rogue/3Paly/2Fighter
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=1533065#post1533065

EDIT2: Certainly open to THF. thanks for the suggestions.

[binnsr]

If you're looking at a Strength Rogue, why not go for Two Handed fighting and use quarterstaves?


Classes Raise Base Feats Ftr/Rgr/Wiz/Rog Feats
1 Rogue 1 Toughness
2 Paladin 1
3 Paladin 2 Power Attack
4 Rogue 2 STR
5 Fighter 1 Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
6 Fighter 2 Two Handed Fighting Cleave
7 Fighter 3
8 Rogue 3 STR
9 Fighter 4 Improved Two Handed Fighting Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
10 Fighter 5
11 Fighter 6 Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
12 Rogue 4 STR Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
13 Fighter 7
14 Fighter 8 Greater Two Handed Fighting
15 Fighter 9 Skill Focus: Intimidate
16 Rogue 5 STR
17 Fighter 10 Great Cleave
18 Fighter 11 Toughness
19 Fighter 12 Greater Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
20 Rogue 6 STR




Base Points Base Tome Lvl Enh Buff Final mod
STR 8 13 17 2 5 2 6 32 11
DEX 8 6 14 2 0 3 5 24 7
CON 10 4 14 2 0 2 6 24 7
INT 8 4 12 2 0 0 14 2
WIS 6 6 2 0 0 6 14 2
CHA 6 5 11 2 0 1 6 20 5


You'd be looking at a +43ish damage modifier when power surging, still have enough Dex and Int for top-shelf trapsmithing, and have Acrobat I and Kensai II for Power Surge..

[Impaqt]

The assassin you links isnt even a Str build.... ;)

FOr STR, check out Pokah (Ultimate Rogue) or my "Potent Rogue" builds. Pokahs is a blast to play, dishes out tons of DPS, and can still hit most traps and all locks without issue.

[binnsr]

using the same stats, you could go Human 18 Rogue / 2 Paladin and end up with:



Classes Raise Base Feats Ftr/Rgr/Wiz/Rog Feats Human Bonus Feat
1 Rogue 1 Toughness Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
2 Paladin 1
3 Paladin 2 Power Attack
4 Rogue 2 STR
5 Rogue 3
6 Rogue 4 Two Handed Fighting
7 Rogue 5
8 Rogue 6 STR
9 Rogue 7 Improved Two Handed Fighting
10 Rogue 8
11 Rogue 9
12 Rogue 10 STR Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Improved Evasion
13 Rogue 11
14 Rogue 12
15 Rogue 13 Greater Two Handed Fighting Crippling Strike
16 Rogue 14 STR
17 f-rog 1
18 f-rog 2
19 f-rog 3
20 f-rog 4



Base Points Base Tome Lvl Enh Buff Final mod
STR 8 13 17 2 4 2 6 31 10
DEX 8 6 14 2 0 3 5 24 7
CON 8 4 12 2 0 2 6 22 6
INT 8 4 12 2 0 0 14 2
WIS 8 8 2 0 0 6 16 3
CHA 8 5 13 2 0 1 6 22 6


Using this one, you would take Acrobat III (not that we know what thats going to be like yet)

[Sillk]

Binnsr, I have a Strength based Rogue, THF/quarterstaff build, similar to what you've posted... but running into trouble keeping a decent AC.

If you've tried this already, what are you using for useable AC while still maintaining the build's functionality.

[binnsr]

Haven't leveled that up .. was a quick look into one.. Looking at it, you'd have a tough time getting the AC above 45 in a normal group.. You'd have to work at the agro-management side of things more than maintaining a high AC..

[moorewr]

Haven't leveled that up .. was a quick look into one.. Looking at it, you'd have a tough time getting the AC above 45 in a normal group.. You'd have to work at the agro-management side of things more than maintaining a high AC..

No question the AC will be a good bit behind a dex-rogue or dex-ranger, although you can use UMD to alleviate that a bit later on (38 UMD shield wands, etc). I will benefit from the pally aura, but yeah, self buffed in the 40s seems about right.

As far as aggro management.. what's a good target bluff or diplo? Should I bother with both?

[binnsr]

My pure rogue has both diplo and bluff maxed .. initially, I was only putting points into diplo because of its more intimidate-like mechanic, but when there's no one else to dump the agro on, it is useless. Of course, he's an assassin build, so has a fairly high base Int and lots of skill points to go around.

My concept 12Ftr/6Rog/2Pal that I'm thinking about rolling once I unlock 32-pointers on the second account certainly won't be able to keep either of those up :D

[moorewr]

hmmm.. just to run a few numbers.. at work so this stuff is likely part/all wrong...

10 Base
9 +4 MBP
6 Dex
3? Paladin Aura (level 6 pally)
5 Protection Item
3 Deflection item
2 Dodge (Chaosgarde)
===
37

plus self-Buffed:
4? Human Versatility (20 seconds)
3 Barkskin Pot
4 Shield Wand
==
48

yuck.

[Gol]

Big F'n Stick build for the win.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=158960

[moorewr]

Here's the current version - now at level 6 - very close to the big f'n stick, but going six deep on paladin with one level of monk. This way I get WoTA II at level 15... and air stance at 16, which will (amybe?) make up some for not taking WoTA III.



Classes Raise Base Feats Ftr/Rgr/Wiz/Rog Feats Human Bonus Feat
1 Rogue 1 Toughness Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
2 Paladin 1
3 Paladin 2 Power Attack
4 Rogue 2 STR
5 Paladin 3
6 Rogue 3 Two Handed Fighting
7 Rogue 4
8 Rogue 5 STR
9 Rogue 6 Improved Two Handed Fighting
10 Rogue 7
11 Rogue 8
12 Rogue 9 STR Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
13 Rogue 10 Improved Evasion
14 Rogue 11
15 Rogue 12 [Cleave or Stunning Blow]
16 Monk 1 STR Monk: Dodge or Toughness?
17 Paladin 4
18 Paladin 5 Greater Two Handed Fighting
19 Rogue 13 Crippling Strike
20 Paladin 6 STR




Base Points Base Tome Lvl Enh Buff Final mod
STR 8 13 17 2 4 2 6 31 10
DEX 8 6 14 2 0 3 5 24 7
CON 8 4 12 2 0 2 6 22 6
INT 8 4 12 2 0 0 14 2
WIS 8 8 2 0 0 6 16 3
CHA 8 5 13 2 0 1 6 22 6

[Skull_49]

i started with 14str i hit fine on my 2wf he is also a pure

[moorewr]

i started with 14str i hit fine on my 2wf he is also a pure

Pure.. rogue? Did you go Thief-Acrobat?