Survey: all lightning strike shroud group.

[Chaos000]

(Thought it might be fun to do on a regular basis, but those that I've asked only had negative things to say about it.)

Would anyone be interested in and join an all lightning strike shroud group? (everyone in group with either a lightning strike weapon or guard)

[Thorzian]

all of the zappy would be fun to see. cant promise a regular or even a scheduled thing but thor would attend. my job sucks.

[al73r]

I have 2 toons with lightning strike ready to go

brucec - bow
alterlife - greataxe or greatsword

Lt eme know

[Judo]

im in

[Chaos000]

all of the zappy would be fun to see. cant promise a regular or even a scheduled thing but thor would attend. my job sucks.

heh. been burned out trying to play this game normally so I figured might as well have some fun with this instead of quitting the game like everybody and their moms

[al73r]

only a couple people on the server with lightning strike it seems.

[Borror0]

ZOMG! :eek:

[narizue]

Nakano Monk 2 x Lightning Kama. Cause the only thing that is more fun then one Lightning II weapon, is two. :D

[Bludnut]

Bludnut is in.

[Arjen]

I'd do it - my bard has a lightning strike repeater!

[secondchance]

ammmm

I'm a little ticked off my friend...

I mean come on what's my nickname in guild??????? <no the other one>

malcis and bnarsfilth are aways down for one of those runs...and I might be a little bias but I think you should try to make ot at least 5 bow users w/ many shot ..... looks like it's getting cloudy out

[Borror0]

looks like it's getting cloudy out
If there is you, Healix and Sarcos in that run, it will be INSANE!!

[Chaos000]

If anyone decides to go crazy and start an all lightning strike shroud group I'll always be down to come along with my main. Clr14/Rgr2 - bow str, manyshot, lightning strike.

If not. I'll start one just for kicks and see if I can make it a regular thing.

[ace_mason]

Other than lightning strike bows. Are any other lightning strike weapons worth using in the shroud?

[Wrigley]

Other than lightning strike bows. Are any other lightning strike weapons worth using in the shroud?

Well when you have to much time on your hands, and have made to many runs in the Shroud there is. Muligan is in:
Lightning Strike Khopesh X 2
Lighting Guard Necklace
Lightning Guard Goggles
Lightning Guard Gloves
Lightning Guard Cloak

[moorewr]

My fighter - Paracelsus - has a lightning II sword. My hours are limited but if I can go, I'm in.

[al73r]

so .. OP start writing down names !!! :D

[binnsr]

Nakano Monk 2 x Lightning Kama. Cause the only thing that is more fun then one Lightning II weapon, is two. :D

ditto! except that Brizavin is a tempest monk with a pair of Lightning II kamas and lockpicking for part3..

[Spisey]

Well when you have to much time on your hands, and have made to many runs in the Shroud there is. Muligan is in:
Lightning Strike Khopesh X 2
Lighting Guard Necklace
Lightning Guard Goggles
Lightning Guard Gloves
Lightning Guard Cloak


curious? how often are you seeing lightning prot with this setup? something i've been interested in pursuing on a future wf barb

[Wrigley]

curious? how often are you seeing lightning prot with this setup? something i've been interested in pursuing on a future wf barb

Well.....by the time it reaches this stage it proc's fairly often. The majority still come from the dual wielding khopeshes. To put it in perspective...I have no problem soloing the round 4 Orthon on normal, hard or elite (although it takes me a few minutes on elite. On normal I have him down to 5% in 30 seconds or so, and get about 3 lightning strikes on avg. At that point I have to quit attacking with the khopeshes, and just hold him at 5% while the others are prepared elsewhere. Normally I can expect just a single strike while I'm blocking (I have had 3 go off fairly quickly and drop the Orthon to early a few times.) In a normal Arretrikos fight in round 5 I would estimate I get 5-8 strikes in before he is finished.

The Sorjek armor does make doing this a bit easier now, because you can free up so many slots by putting res, prot, etc all on your armor. Of course, there's places in the game where the strikes are useless (sorjek, etc.) so you have to commit to having another pair or two of Khopeshes as well (Earth, or Mineral II). So is it the best use of larges? Probably not, but it's a blast.

[Junts]

Other than lightning strike bows. Are any other lightning strike weapons worth using in the shroud?

On normal, the lightning strike damage is mildly better per-swing than beating dr, but only by about 2-3 points; on hard or elite, they're worthless in comparison.

[Wrigley]

On normal, the lightning strike damage is mildly better per-swing than beating dr, but only by about 2-3 points; on hard or elite, they're worthless in comparison.

Very likely true.......but still not as much fun!

[Desteria]

Other than lightning strike bows. Are any other lightning strike weapons worth using in the shroud?

On normal yes any lightnign strike 1 handers out damages a min2 for example buy about 2-3 points.....
FOr 2handed the loss of 15 per glancing blows makes them suboptimal to a min2 But would still beat an average, (+3), transumuter.
For bows with Silver arrows they are the WIN.

Above normal the DR on harry makes any old transmuter beat them in short order.

[Wrigley]

On normal yes any lightnign strike 1 handers out damages a min2 for example buy about 2-3 points.....
FOr 2handed the loss of 15 per glancing blows makes them suboptimal to a min2 But would still beat an average, (+3), transumuter.
For bows with Silver arrows they are the WIN.

Above normal the DR on harry makes any old transmuter beat them in short order.

Again I'm sure your probably correct, but I'm interested in knowing how you arrive at that result. To make that blanket statement your ignoring a lot of information you don't have. To hit, str, equipment (ie bloodstone, etc), and others. If your using baseline numbers for an average shroud character (whatever that is) then the assertion that there is only a 2-3 point difference doesn't translate for characters above or below that baseline. How do you make the calculation that gives you that 2-3 point differential?
Thanks in advance.

[nbhs275]

Again I'm sure your probably correct, but I'm interested in knowing how you arrive at that result. To make that blanket statement your ignoring a lot of information you don't have. To hit, str, equipment (ie bloodstone, etc), and others. If your using baseline numbers for an average shroud character (whatever that is) then the assertion that there is only a 2-3 point difference doesn't translate for characters above or below that baseline. How do you make the calculation that gives you that 2-3 point differential?
Thanks in advance.

if the average lightning strike is about 550, then means its an average of 5.5 damage a swing per every 1% of the time it hits. So if it procs 1 out of 100 attacks(which seems to be the concensus)<minII's slicing is 2.5 a hit> your getting less damage against anything with 3 or more DR....

[Wrigley]

if the average lightning strike is about 550, then means its an average of 5.5 damage a swing per every 1% of the time it hits. So if it procs 1 out of 100 attacks(which seems to be the concensus)<minII's slicing is 2.5 a hit> your getting less damage against anything with 3 or more DR....

I understand that basic formula, and an awful lot of folks are taking this 2-3 point difference as truth. I'm wondering where the proof in it lies. First, you have again not taken into account to hit, + to damage, weapon types, crit ranges, etc. There are some unknown statements here as well. Average lighting strike damage (again to what), DR, and of course the proc rate. I assume since so many people are using this 2-3 pt difference that somebody figured it out properly somewhere. Just wondering where that would be, and where your coming up with it. Again thanks.

[nbhs275]

I understand that basic formula, and an awful lot of folks are taking this 2-3 point difference as truth. I'm wondering where the proof in it lies. First, you have again not taken into account to hit, + to damage, weapon types, crit ranges, etc. There are some unknown statements here as well. Average lighting strike damage (again to what), DR, and of course the proc rate. I assume since so many people are using this 2-3 pt difference that somebody figured it out properly somewhere. Just wondering where that would be, and where your coming up with it. Again thanks.

If the two weapons are the same apart from one has slicing and transmuting, and the other gets the lightning strike, the lightning stike is doing an average of about 2.5-4 more a hit. And thats because neither strength nor crit range effects the proc rate.

[al73r]

seems like this thread went nowhere.

[Chaos000]

seems like this thread went nowhere.

lol. wife's sick otherwise I would start taking names and start building a list.

[maddmatt70]

On normal yes any lightnign strike 1 handers out damages a min2 for example buy about 2-3 points.....
FOr 2handed the loss of 15 per glancing blows makes them suboptimal to a min2 But would still beat an average, (+3), transumuter.
For bows with Silver arrows they are the WIN.

Above normal the DR on harry makes any old transmuter beat them in short order.

hmm.. I would say mineral 2 is 2 points better on normal for a one hander, but irregardless they are about the same..

[gorloch]

Well when you have to much time on your hands, and have made to many runs in the Shroud there is. Muligan is in:
Lightning Strike Khopesh X 2
Lighting Guard Necklace
Lightning Guard Goggles
Lightning Guard Gloves
Lightning Guard Cloak

Why is it when i first started reading this you were the first person to come to my mind. :rolleyes:


PIXA

[Club'in]

Sorry, OP, another off topic. I thought bows weren't working?

From the known issues list:

"# Greensteel bows are currently not properly applying blast effects."

So, the Lightning Strike isn't a "blast effect"?

[Chaos000]

Sorry, OP, another off topic. I thought bows weren't working?

From the known issues list:

"# Greensteel bows are currently not properly applying blast effects."

So, the Lightning Strike isn't a "blast effect"?

correct. I still see the lightning strike go off I think the blast effect they are talking about is the third tier lightning blast effect that you get.

[Impaqt]

Sorry, OP, another off topic. I thought bows weren't working?

From the known issues list:

"# Greensteel bows are currently not properly applying blast effects."

So, the Lightning Strike isn't a "blast effect"?

No Its not. Blast is the "On 20" Crit from the Tier 3 Effect (SHocking Blast, Acid Blast, Icy Blast ect etc etc.)

[Timjc86]

(Thought it might be fun to do on a regular basis, but those that I've asked only had negative things to say about it.)

Would anyone be interested in and join an all lightning strike shroud group? (everyone in group with either a lightning strike weapon or guard)

I would be extremely interested.





Just give me the ingredients to make a lightning strike khopesh and I'll be there :D

[Chaos000]

i.e.

+5 Green Steel (one step up damage)

Tier I (pos/dom/mat)
Holy: +2d6 vs evil
Positive Energy Affinity

Tier II (air/dom/mat)
Shocking Burst: +1d6/ 1d10 crit
Aspect of Lightning

Tier III (double upgrade)
Shocking Blast: +1d10 crit/ +4d6 natural 20 confirmed
Lightning Strike 1% prot rate (chance 550-650 Damage when Hit)

[Chaos000]

Just give me the ingredients to make a lightning strike khopesh and I'll be there :D

if it's your first greensteel item I'm pretty sure people would go out of their way to help you get the ingredients you need.

battle cleric right?

[Timjc86]

Nah, I'm afraid not. I've got a handful of greensteels across a few characters, just no lightning strikes yet. I need to get off me bum and run some more shrouds.

[secondchance]

still the coolest effect in game...and if you are lucky enough to grp w/ serveral people using bows w/ multi shot in the same run....OMFG is it neat..... you see a few lightingstrikes in a row go off his health drops big time

[Chaos000]

Ok guys. what day works best for you. It'll have to be in the evening on a weekday after 6pm So.Cal time.

Let me know and I'll start putting it together.

1) Daishado - Ranger2/Cleric14: Greensteel lightning strike bow + Multishot

[Judo]

im game in the pm est any day of the week save this coming sunday, playing host, but available whenever besides that

[Kraak]

Well.....by the time it reaches this stage it proc's fairly often. The majority still come from the dual wielding khopeshes. To put it in perspective...I have no problem soloing the round 4 Orthon on normal, hard or elite (although it takes me a few minutes on elite. On normal I have him down to 5% in 30 seconds or so, and get about 3 lightning strikes on avg. At that point I have to quit attacking with the khopeshes, and just hold him at 5% while the others are prepared elsewhere. Normally I can expect just a single strike while I'm blocking (I have had 3 go off fairly quickly and drop the Orthon to early a few times.) In a normal Arretrikos fight in round 5 I would estimate I get 5-8 strikes in before he is finished.

The Sorjek armor does make doing this a bit easier now, because you can free up so many slots by putting res, prot, etc all on your armor. Of course, there's places in the game where the strikes are useless (sorjek, etc.) so you have to commit to having another pair or two of Khopeshes as well (Earth, or Mineral II). So is it the best use of larges? Probably not, but it's a blast.


So you're the one to blame for all the shroud lag. WITCH!!! BURN HIM!!!!

Sounds awesome man. Grats on your toys.

[binnsr]

Ok guys. what day works best for you. It'll have to be in the evening on a weekday after 6pm So.Cal time.

Let me know and I'll start putting it together.

1) Daishado - Ranger2/Cleric14: Greensteel lightning strike bow + Multishot

Any day after 9pm CST works for me.

I can bring Brizavin (9Mnk/6Rgr/1Rog) - dual Lightning II kamas


(p.s. - tempest+haste+windII+hasteBoost+(lightning x2) = FUN :))

[Boramir1]

I'd be interested on my Bard (Bundlebuck) - heavy lightning 2 repeater

Catch me in game on my alts.. any evening after 8 pm EST works for me

Boramir - Borbot - Bundlebuck - Harriest - Durindel - Grendar
Attacks the Darkness

[Shyver]

If I'm on I'm in. :) (or if we actualy schedule something)

Shyv (dual lightning 2 rapiers)

[Chaos000]

due to marital issues I'm disabling my account for a month.

there's a couple things I still need to work out with my wife as far as game time, her time... etc. :cool:

I'll be back to start up these groups in a months time, sorry for the delay

[gorloch]

So you're the one to blame for all the shroud lag. WITCH!!! BURN HIM!!!!

Sounds awesome man. Grats on your toys.

No Kraak there is no lag. :D


PIXA