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Aranticus
01-10-2009, 06:35 AM
i've been a long time ddo player and plays almost everyday if i can. i used to think the pugs are wonderful. you get to meet new players, learn from others, or even unearth a gem who might one day be your guildie. i do alot of raids, both as a raid leader and as a party member. good pugs make everyone feel good. each one leaves with a sense of accomplishment. bad pugs usually end with with people defending their actions, people feeling bitter about each other and of course you leave with a bitter taste in your mouth feeling your time was utterly wasted

in recent times, i've noted alot of players, experienced ones at that, not listening or following instructions. the art of listening seems to have become a fading skill. when i'm in a raid, its really simple. when i'm not the one with the star, i listen. if i have some other methods of doing it, i voice it out, if the leader does not agree, i shut up and follow. if i'm the raid leader, i expect the same thing as well. tactics we can discuss but once past that, do not go about doing something other than what is agreed. this not only breaks the momentum but also makes it difficult for the rest of the party especially so when quest items are involved

sometimes i wonder if it is because people are trying to express their thinking abilities. maybe they think that the raid leader is not experienced enough and thus decide to do it their way. or maybe these people are so confident of themselves that they think they can do anything they like. or maybe they are just jack@sses. i really have no clue

i ran a pug vod earlier today. there were 2 new guys and 1 who wasnt really experienced. but all were very willing to listen and adapt. no webs, no problem. we had cone of colds and blade barriers. no intimidate, no problem. ranger put on shield and tanked suulomades. no dps on main tank, no problem. the rest of the melees waited patiently until the main tank had firm agro. raid leader was occupied, no problem. another experienced player held the fort and kept the raid going

inexperience was not a problem. there was a goal, to kill suulomades. a plan was agreed. everyone worked with the same purpose, put aside egos, adhered to the instructions and followed through the plan. with the combined effort of 12 individuals who came together as a party, suulomades was taken down under 30 minutes. teamwork doesnt just rely on individual brilliance. people must be willing to listen and be led. that is what is important...

Boldrin
01-10-2009, 06:45 AM
Oh hush Shug, you know raids are all about the individual brilliance :)

Denssor
01-10-2009, 07:39 AM
Oh hush Shug, you know raids are all about the individual brilliance :)

No, it's all about me! :D

But Aran is right. It's not about whos better than who or which way is better. There are many ways to complete each quest and everyway is the correct way. As long as everyone listens and follows the leaders directions every run will be a smooth run. It takes 12 people to complete a raid, but only takes 1 to fail it.

Hordo
01-10-2009, 07:56 AM
Oh hush Shug, you know raids are all about the individual brilliance :)

Raids are about getting me the lootz!

Seriously, though, good point Shug. Even when a raid fails, if folks were cooperative and a reform is necessary, I've noticed that you usually get all 12 back in there. Something about working together as a team with a particular plan and a goal and checking the egos, but not the sense-of-humor at the door that lets a PUG of randomly invited/accepted players become a raid-party worth running with.

Thornfeld
01-10-2009, 12:29 PM
I'm all ears:P

Boldrin
01-10-2009, 12:51 PM
I'm all ears:P

I'll bet you look just like Alfred E Newman then :p

Luckylu
01-10-2009, 02:49 PM
I dont mind at all listening and doing what is needed, if I feel like putting a group together though I usually have a plan. Other day did a reaver raid, we decided on a barbarian to MT the giant, and a cleric was like FU , I am tanking it anyway. I just wanted to down the boss, and get my loot, I continued to get messages from the barbarian the entire raid, why becuase he felt fairness was in order. I for one am NOT a baby sitter in a raid, and really, unless something is horribly wrong, Just do as the leadear asks. I mean most lvl 16's can tank the reaver, so I dont know why people have to butt in and take over on something most of us can do in our sleep.

lord_of_rage
01-11-2009, 12:06 AM
i've been a long time ddo player and plays almost everyday if i can. i used to think the pugs are wonderful. you get to meet new players, learn from others, or even unearth a gem who might one day be your guildie. i do alot of raids, both as a raid leader and as a party member. good pugs make everyone feel good. each one leaves with a sense of accomplishment. bad pugs usually end with with people defending their actions, people feeling bitter about each other and of course you leave with a bitter taste in your mouth feeling your time was utterly wasted

in recent times, i've noted alot of players, experienced ones at that, not listening or following instructions. the art of listening seems to have become a fading skill. when i'm in a raid, its really simple. when i'm not the one with the star, i listen. if i have some other methods of doing it, i voice it out, if the leader does not agree, i shut up and follow. if i'm the raid leader, i expect the same thing as well. tactics we can discuss but once past that, do not go about doing something other than what is agreed. this not only breaks the momentum but also makes it difficult for the rest of the party especially so when quest items are involved

sometimes i wonder if it is because people are trying to express their thinking abilities. maybe they think that the raid leader is not experienced enough and thus decide to do it their way. or maybe these people are so confident of themselves that they think they can do anything they like. or maybe they are just jack@sses. i really have no clue

i ran a pug vod earlier today. there were 2 new guys and 1 who wasnt really experienced. but all were very willing to listen and adapt. no webs, no problem. we had cone of colds and blade barriers. no intimidate, no problem. ranger put on shield and tanked suulomades. no dps on main tank, no problem. the rest of the melees waited patiently until the main tank had firm agro. raid leader was occupied, no problem. another experienced player held the fort and kept the raid going

inexperience was not a problem. there was a goal, to kill suulomades. a plan was agreed. everyone worked with the same purpose, put aside egos, adhered to the instructions and followed through the plan. with the combined effort of 12 individuals who came together as a party, suulomades was taken down under 30 minutes. teamwork doesnt just rely on individual brilliance. people must be willing to listen and be led. that is what is important...

I agree. There are times I dont know the quest but have the star,becuase I put the LFM up. If I dont know it I will differ to a more experienced player. But if I have an LFM for one I know then its my show.

Rog
01-11-2009, 01:42 AM
if your new then tell me. if you have a better plan then tell me. if you do your own thing thats destroys the mission for the rest of us then please dont join. i know in some pugs i lead people just join then go link dead and leave my raid short handed. guess what we still get a victory becouse rest of the party pulls together as a team. there is one dude that is making a named for himself by joining raids letting us get halfway there then dropping. needless to say i wont invite the guy back in a raid its a all hands on deck. if you dont want to be a hand then dont join my party. 90% of my raids has new poeple and poeple that dont get to raid a lot. i think thats great i run raids i dont need any loot from just so those type of people can uber up there toons, and when you dont listen or just join to drop then your taking that from them and thats wrong in my book.
rant off
have a great night everybody
lunarsong

Redgar
01-11-2009, 06:31 AM
I just want to thank everyone that has helped me out. I am learning alot about the raid content. I can not lead my own Reaver and am getting close to leading my own Shrouds. Normaly I will ask the party who wants the take charge. In the Reaver I ask who wants to tank, if when I am on my fighter. Then I ask, "Who wants the puzzle?". That way we all know what is going on. Fun, quick runs are the best time I have.