So Much Wrong

[screenmonkey]

Ok from what I got, Turbine never did read the Eberron books. I will admit I am a fan, I run my table-top game in the setting. As much love and attention to detail as they showed for LOTRO I am sad to see them slack off on basic lore for the game. I was in the village of Kornash the starting area and an NPC mentioned the Nine-Hells, well Nine Hells do not exist in eberron nor does the Abyss. How do Turbine let writers write without having them read the source material. Devourer Cults are "bad" in DDO, but in the setting all Sailors worship the devourer because its the god of the sea, to not give the Dark Six their proper due is flirting with disaster. The way dragon shards are implemented ugh. Halflings presented with out mention of the Talenta Plains.

Ok the bad Cults in the setting are the Dragon Below cults who worship the Lords of Dust and or the Daelkyr.
Grey Morality is a huge factor of the setting. Traditional Good guys are sometimes the villains.

and for clarification the 13 planes of Eberron.

Daanvi The Perfect Order
Dal Qour Real of Dreams
Dolurrh Realm of the Dead (its the after life, every one goes there, its dull you forget every thing.)
Fernia The Sea of Fire ( a Hellish are bathed in fire, lots of fire elementals and demons with fiery attribute)
Irian the Eternal Day (Beautiful area bathed in positive energy)
Kythri The Churning Chaos
Lamannia The Twilight Forest (primal nature and wild life)
Mabar The Endless Night (not good or evil, but negative energy, lots of undead)
Risia The Plain of Ice (made of Ice, lots of icy creatures)
Shavarath the Battle Ground (a eternal war between Angels, vs Demons vs Devils)
Srania the Azure Sky (Inhabited by angels, and big cloudy sky area.)
Thelanis The Faerie Court ( nature, Fae)
Xoriat The Realm of Madness (bad bad bad place. you go insane by just being there)

and not once are the Nine-Hells mentioned.
further gripeing once I finish the starter area.

[GorumT]

Ok from what I got, Turbine never did read the Eberron books. I will admit I am a fan, I run my table-top game in the setting. As much love and attention to detail as they showed for LOTRO I am sad to see them slack off on basic lore for the game. I was in the village of Kornash the starting area and an NPC mentioned the Nine-Hells, well Nine Hells do not exist in eberron nor does the Abyss. How do Turbine let writers write without having them read the source material. Devourer Cults are "bad" in DDO, but in the setting all Sailors worship the devourer because its the god of the sea, to not give the Dark Six their proper due is flirting with disaster. The way dragon shards are implemented ugh. Halflings presented with out mention of the Talenta Plains.

Ok the bad Cults in the setting are the Dragon Below cults who worship the Lords of Dust and or the Daelkyr.
Grey Morality is a huge factor of the setting. Traditional Good guys are sometimes the villains.

and for clarification the 13 planes of Eberron.

Daanvi The Perfect Order
Dal Qour Real of Dreams
Dolurrh Realm of the Dead (its the after life, every one goes there, its dull you forget every thing.)
Fernia The Sea of Fire ( a Hellish are bathed in fire, lots of fire elementals and demons with fiery attribute)
Irian the Eternal Day (Beautiful area bathed in positive energy)
Kythri The Churning Chaos
Lamannia The Twilight Forest (primal nature and wild life)
Mabar The Endless Night (not good or evil, but negative energy, lots of undead)
Risia The Plain of Ice (made of Ice, lots of icy creatures)
Shavarath the Battle Ground (a eternal war between Angels, vs Demons vs Devils)
Srania the Azure Sky (Inhabited by angels, and big cloudy sky area.)
Thelanis The Faerie Court ( nature, Fae)
Xoriat The Realm of Madness (bad bad bad place. you go insane by just being there)

and not once are the Nine-Hells mentioned.
further gripeing once I finish the starter area.

If yer this tweaked in the starter area, wait till you progress a bit further, lol.

[DoctorWhofan]

OMG!!! INconsistancies!!! Stop paying now or your head will explode.:eek:

[bobbryan2]

Ok from what I got, Turbine never did read the Eberron books. I will admit I am a fan, I run my table-top game in the setting. As much love and attention to detail as they showed for LOTRO I am sad to see them slack off on basic lore for the game. I was in the village of Kornash the starting area and an NPC mentioned the Nine-Hells, well Nine Hells do not exist in eberron nor does the Abyss. How do Turbine let writers write without having them read the source material. Devourer Cults are "bad" in DDO, but in the setting all Sailors worship the devourer because its the god of the sea, to not give the Dark Six their proper due is flirting with disaster. The way dragon shards are implemented ugh. Halflings presented with out mention of the Talenta Plains.

Ok the bad Cults in the setting are the Dragon Below cults who worship the Lords of Dust and or the Daelkyr.
Grey Morality is a huge factor of the setting. Traditional Good guys are sometimes the villains.

and for clarification the 13 planes of Eberron.

Daanvi The Perfect Order
Dal Qour Real of Dreams
Dolurrh Realm of the Dead (its the after life, every one goes there, its dull you forget every thing.)
Fernia The Sea of Fire ( a Hellish are bathed in fire, lots of fire elementals and demons with fiery attribute)
Irian the Eternal Day (Beautiful area bathed in positive energy)
Kythri The Churning Chaos
Lamannia The Twilight Forest (primal nature and wild life)
Mabar The Endless Night (not good or evil, but negative energy, lots of undead)
Risia The Plain of Ice (made of Ice, lots of icy creatures)
Shavarath the Battle Ground (a eternal war between Angels, vs Demons vs Devils)
Srania the Azure Sky (Inhabited by angels, and big cloudy sky area.)
Thelanis The Faerie Court ( nature, Fae)
Xoriat The Realm of Madness (bad bad bad place. you go insane by just being there)

and not once are the Nine-Hells mentioned.
further gripeing once I finish the starter area.

Cult of the Dark Six gets it's just mention. Dragon Below and Lords of Dust both have their appearances as well.

And you'll like some quests with grey morality when you're hired by Silver Flame priests to kill some lawful good peasants.

[wamjratl1]

Edited cuz I just typed it cuz I'm grumpy today.


But OP the rest of this game is gonna drive you koo-koo if you're this bothered in Korthos (not whatever you called it, btw.) So please just accept that it's not gonna gel with PnP in many many ways and try to enjoy trhe game. It's fun, we all like it.

Welcome to the game, BTW!

OK nm you're not new to the game, just the forums, it seems, so welcome to the forums! Hope ur still enjoying the game despite the PnP differences.

[GorumT]

OMG!!! INconsistancies!!! Stop paying now or your head will explode.:eek:


OH NOES! Asploding heds! Mah suit will get dirty! lol

[Turial]

There is a subtle difference between playing devotion to a devourer god as a sailor for a safe passage and being a member of a devourer cult.

Similar to how an athlete may say attribute a teams win to God's help but may not actually be a religious follower.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

further gripeing once I finish the starter area.

Holy ****......

...I think we have a new forum god!!

Cant wait till you get to level 16.

[DoctorWhofan]

Holy ****......

...I think we have a new forum god!!

Cant wait till you get to level 16.

snicker!

[Leyoni]

Not the first time people have noticed inconsistencies with the Eberron setting. Mostly this comes in form of how DDO does not conform to strict AD&D rules with a note that Eberron is the current official setting for the game.

However, when developing the background Turbine should reasonably be expected to stick pretty close to the Eberron setting. It is more than just planar travel -- it is alternate-reality travel when an NPC speaks of the Nine Hells.

Now, I'm not entirely against that. My principal characters are based on prototypes from Greyhawk and other settings. My bios sometimes include references to some event and then waking up in this alternate reality. There isn't anything wrong with that in science fiction or fantasy. So I don't have a huge issue here.

Still, it should be unusual rather than commonplace. Waiting to see the rest of OP's rant. If it is common then we should probably do something about it, like demand full respec to Cavalier or recoding the entire setting to Oriental Adventures. :D

[transtemporal]

If you think thats bad OP, wait til you see some of these robot things running around. Pfft, robots in DnD, whose idea was that?

[GorumT]

If you think thats bad OP, wait til you see some of these robot things running around. Pfft, robots in DnD, whose idea was that?

It was Keith Bakers idea, since he wrote Ebberon, created House Cannith and the Warforged, as well as many of the "Robot things" that not only showed up in the rules book, but also in many of the supplements he wrote for the Ebberon Universe.

[Milolyen]

Well all this and another thing ... when you get off of the newbie island ... you will have to remember that about 80% of the lvl 2 - 10 quests where actually created 3 years ago. Not sure how much info and lore was around 3 years ago about ebberon as I have not really had anything to do with PnP in decades.

Milolyen

[Milolyen]

If you think thats bad OP, wait til you see some of these robot things running around. Pfft, robots in DnD, whose idea was that?

Oh and he has already ran into atleast ONE of the "robot things" as you can't help it in the tutorial.

Milolyen

[Yaga_Nub]

Holy ****......

...I think we have a new forum god!!

Cant wait till you get to level 16.

Don't blasphemy!

[transtemporal]

It was Keith Bakers idea, since he wrote Ebberon, created House Cannith and the Warforged, as well as many of the "Robot things" that not only showed up in the rules book, but also in many of the supplements he wrote for the Ebberon Universe.

So you're saying this "Keith Baker" has created an entire universe simply by writing about it? Including the robot things?

Astonishing. Unbelievable really.

I wonder if he can be bugged out.

[GorumT]

So you're saying this "Keith Baker" has created an entire universe simply by writing about it? Including the robot things?

Astonishing. Unbelievable really.

I wonder if he can be bugged out.


Lol, well for those of you who do not understand that all this game came from the PnP game, let me explain.

Several years ago, the company Wizards of the Coast, put out a contest/call for all wannabe writters to submit material for a new realm. The popular Forgotten Realms, Dragonlnace, and GreyHawk had pretty much been played out.

A young man nammed Keith Baker produced Ebberon. Wizards of the coast bought his ideas and paid him VERY well for the source material, as well as a variety of other supplements.

Because the world Baker made was so free form in it's story, as well as the numerous story arcs that could be drawn from his world, it was chosen as a setting for the DDO game.

At the time DDO released, the number of PnP game books available for the new world were relativly few. Since then, his world has grown, storys have been written into novels and sourcebooks apleanty litter the shelves of those who could afford to buy them.

Warforged, "Robots" made by House Cannith before the Last War, were all part of Bakers original design. I still own the world book, and even though I don't play PnP anymore, I still peruse it from time to time.

[transtemporal]

That is some crazy ass **** man! I knew that this game came from a book, I didn't realise it was a board game too! Is it like Risk or something?

[screenmonkey]

If you think thats bad OP, wait til you see some of these robot things running around. Pfft, robots in DnD, whose idea was that?

the robot dogs belong, they are a defensive Humonculous found in the ECS its called a Iron Defender, there are also the Expeditious Messenger, Furtive Filcher, and Dedicated Wright. That said they should not be around after the Artificer that built them has died. But I was irked when I saw the Elf/human NPC with the name d'Jorasco (Halfling House of Healing) you don't get the d' prefix to your name unless your a blood member of teh dragon marked house, its like getting ir' prefix and not being of Korvaire nobility. The way I see it, While Eberron is young, that gives you less material to mess up, and to screw that up is a sign of things to come.

[screenmonkey]

Not the first time people have noticed inconsistencies with the Eberron setting. Mostly this comes in form of how DDO does not conform to strict AD&D rules with a note that Eberron is the current official setting for the game.

However, when developing the background Turbine should reasonably be expected to stick pretty close to the Eberron setting. It is more than just planar travel -- it is alternate-reality travel when an NPC speaks of the Nine Hells.

Now, I'm not entirely against that. My principal characters are based on prototypes from Greyhawk and other settings. My bios sometimes include references to some event and then waking up in this alternate reality. There isn't anything wrong with that in science fiction or fantasy. So I don't have a huge issue here.

Still, it should be unusual rather than commonplace. Waiting to see the rest of OP's rant. If it is common then we should probably do something about it, like demand full respec to Cavalier or recoding the entire setting to Oriental Adventures. :D

its not the rules adhering I'm bothered by, its ignoring fluff and established Lore for the setting. In my game I changed the way armor works and I give out a 20 hit point kicker (my games are kinda lethal). Armor gives a small AC bonus but its the Damage Reduction that you buy.

[transtemporal]

Just while we're being particular... isn't "Korvaire" spelled "Khorvaire", "Dal Qour" spelled "Dal Quor" and "Srania" spelled "Syrania"?

[Arianrhod]

the robot dogs belong, they are a defensive Humonculous found in the ECS its called a Iron Defender, there are also the Expeditious Messenger, Furtive Filcher, and Dedicated Wright. That said they should not be around after the Artificer that built them has died. But I was irked when I saw the Elf/human NPC with the name d'Jorasco (Halfling House of Healing) you don't get the d' prefix to your name unless your a blood member of teh dragon marked house, its like getting ir' prefix and not being of Korvaire nobility. The way I see it, While Eberron is young, that gives you less material to mess up, and to screw that up is a sign of things to come.

Eh, just chalk it up to Stormreach/Xen'drik doing things differently....they're pretty much all outcasts from Khorvaire anyway. At least it's not as bad as trying to come up with lore justifications for Runekeepers (LOTRO reference) ;)

[SableShadow]

Have we truly found Unique Dragon?!?!?

[GorumT]

That is some crazy ass **** man! I knew that this game came from a book, I didn't realise it was a board game too! Is it like Risk or something?


R U 4 Ceriel???

Role Playing Game dood, like:

-Girl "I've been a naughty school girl, I need a spank'n!"

-Boy "I'm a 10th level Paladin that adventures with his Cleric companion and uses a Helm of Disintergration!"

[Tanka]

And this, people, is an example of a natural 20 on a Bluff check.

[GorumT]

And this, people, is an example of a natural 20 on a Bluff check.

What is? What? I'm confused again. :(

[Ghost_Aeon]

And this, people, is an example of a natural 20 on a Bluff check.

What? The OP? Or Transetemporal?

... Or you?

[Arianrhod]

And this, people, is an example of a natural 20 on a Bluff check.

I thought Trans & Gorum had a comedy routine going....Gorum makes a great straight man :D

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Just while we're being particular... isn't "Korvaire" spelled "Khorvaire", "Dal Qour" spelled "Dal Quor" and "Srania" spelled "Syrania"?

Yup, for a whiner about accuracy the OP sure doesn't take much care himself....

[GorumT]

I thought Trans & Gorum had a comedy routine going....Gorum makes a great straight man :D


I am anything but a straight man.......wait that wasn't right somehow......

[VirieSquichie]

Xoriat The Realm of Madness (bad bad bad place. you go insane by just being there)


I have a pet name for this place, I call it Work.

[drac317]

I am anything but a straight man.......wait that wasn't right somehow......

lmao u entertain me at work

[Griphon]

Yup.

It's already been said before... They need more Ebberon in their DDO instead of a 'Ebberon Wash' they've given it.

(I know that I posted about it ages ago, but not bothering to look for it.)

[TiberiusofTyr]

But I was irked when I saw the Elf/human NPC with the name d'Jorasco

Where was this at?

[DoctorWhofan]

It was Keith Bakers idea, since he wrote Ebberon, created House Cannith and the Warforged, as well as many of the "Robot things" that not only showed up in the rules book, but also in many of the supplements he wrote for the Ebberon Universe.

Put your sarcasm hat on, and it will all make sense. :D

[DoctorWhofan]

Ok from what I got, Turbine never did read the Eberron books. I will admit I am a fan, I run my table-top game in the setting. As much love and attention to detail as they showed for LOTRO I am sad to see them slack off on basic lore for the game. I was in the village of Kornash the starting area and an NPC mentioned the Nine-Hells, well Nine Hells do not exist in eberron nor does the Abyss. How do Turbine let writers write without having them read the source material. Devourer Cults are "bad" in DDO, but in the setting all Sailors worship the devourer because its the god of the sea, to not give the Dark Six their proper due is flirting with disaster. The way dragon shards are implemented ugh. Halflings presented with out mention of the Talenta Plains.

Ok the bad Cults in the setting are the Dragon Below cults who worship the Lords of Dust and or the Daelkyr.
Grey Morality is a huge factor of the setting. Traditional Good guys are sometimes the villains.

and for clarification the 13 planes of Eberron.

Daanvi The Perfect Order
Dal Qour Real of Dreams
Dolurrh Realm of the Dead (its the after life, every one goes there, its dull you forget every thing.)
Fernia The Sea of Fire ( a Hellish are bathed in fire, lots of fire elementals and demons with fiery attribute)
Irian the Eternal Day (Beautiful area bathed in positive energy) and cakes that raise the dead!!!
Kythri The Churning Chaos
Lamannia The Twilight Forest (primal nature and wild life)
Mabar The Endless Night (not good or evil, but negative energy, lots of undead)
Risia The Plain of Ice (made of Ice, lots of icy creatures)
Shavarath the Battle Ground (a eternal war between Angels, vs Demons vs Devils)
Srania the Azure Sky (Inhabited by angels, and big cloudy sky area.)
Thelanis The Faerie Court ( nature, Fae)
Xoriat The Realm of Madness (bad bad bad place. you go insane by just being there)

boy, come to THelanis, its the new Xoriat!!! :D
and not once are the Nine-Hells mentioned.

further gripeing once I finish the starter area.


Sorry, but all I can see is the animator who dies in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. By level 3, "plop!" dead with "AAARRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEDEEDDDD" typed on his last post.


Also avoid Prisoner of the Planes...I have a feeling you will hate it there.

Listen. It's not perfect. Neither are you or me. It's close enough to suspend our reality for three years. Any fifth wall winking is allowed and fun! Relax it's a game, nothing more. You are stressing out over little things and not paying attention to the game as a whole, AS A GAME. Is it fun? exciting? Were the quests fun? You are worried about an NPC saying Nine hells?

[GorumT]

lmao u entertain me at work

I aim to entertain. /bow

Now what is this "work" you speak of? Where may I get some "Work"?

[Vordax]

Sorry, but all I can see is the animator who dies in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. By level 3, "plop!" dead with "AAARRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEDEEDDDD" typed on his last post.


Also avoid Prisoner of the Planes...I have a feeling you will hate it there.

Listen. It's not perfect. Neither are you or me. It's close enough to suspend our reality for three years. Any fifth wall winking is allowed and fun! Relax it's a game, nothing more. You are stressing out over little things and not paying attention to the game as a whole, AS A GAME. Is it fun? exciting? Were the quests fun? You are worried about an NPC saying Nine hells?

Can you imagine how many posts like the OP's there would be if DDO was based on forgotten realms?

Vordax

[DoctorWhofan]

Can you imagine how many posts like the OP's there would be if DDO was based on forgotten realms?

Vordax

THat's why I am glad it WASN't based on FR. Oh the horrors!

[GorumT]

THat's why I am glad it WASN't based on FR. Oh the horrors!

C'mon, this is perfect for FR. It could be set in........Well it could be placed in the realm of...........Ok, well, obviously there is no kingdom in all of FR that comes readily to mind, BUT, ya gotta admit, WarForged are perfect for FR. They fit in with the.......ummmm......anyway, this all would be perfect for FR. I'm certain of it.




kinda.

[Tanka]

THat's why I am glad it WASN't based on FR. Oh the horrors!
<FR Nerd>Elminster's voice is supposed to be one octave higher and you missed the mole on his right buttocks!</FR Nerd>

Ugh, absolutely glad they didn't use FR.

[DoctorWhofan]

C'mon, this is perfect for FR. It could be set in........Well it could be placed in the realm of...........Ok, well, obviously there is no kingdom in all of FR that comes readily to mind, BUT, ya gotta admit, WarForged are perfect for FR. They fit in with the.......ummmm......anyway, this all would be perfect for FR. I'm certain of it.




kinda.

THE GNOMES!!!! THEY HURTS ME EYES!!!

oh...wait...

[GorumT]

THE GNOMES!!!! THEY HURTS ME EYES!!!

oh...wait...


hahahahaha.......I hate gnomes.