price question woe and wop

[ducetrae]

what is a +3 weakning enfeebling bow worth.and a wop bow. Can they be worth 1 or maybe 2 scales

thanks

[Cherry]

50k plat maybe....it's the same as blunt weapons...crappy crit range.

[ducetrae]

i can say this i use them both and with many shot and improved crit ranged nothing stands a chance so they must be worth more than that by far. if you add improved precise shot they are pretty darn good. i often woe beholders just to watch them do nothing for fun and mow down mobs like crazy with wop

[Aranticus]

i can say this i use them both and with many shot and improved crit ranged nothing stands a chance so they must be worth more than that by far. if you add improved precise shot they are pretty darn good. i often woe beholders just to watch them do nothing for fun and mow down mobs like crazy with wop

most players who use bows are rangers and with tempest a key factor, not many are going to have imp crit range. add that to the fact that a bow, short of manyshot, has a woefully slow rof. compare that with dual wielding woe daggers, ss or even rapiers, a ranger can disable a beholder quicker with melee than with range. this is why bows are not as valuable

[Boldrin]

i can say this i use them both and with many shot and improved crit ranged nothing stands a chance so they must be worth more than that by far. if you add improved precise shot they are pretty darn good. i often woe beholders just to watch them do nothing for fun and mow down mobs like crazy with wop

I vendor them. I get like 3k plat for em, lol. Worthless. Rangers don't generally use bows, give me my dual w/e scimmys, or wop ss and I'll see who takes the mob down first, lol. Wop bows go for like 50k plat w/e goes for literally nothing

[stalksdeath]

I vendor them. I get like 3k plat for em, lol. Worthless. Rangers don't generally use bows, give me my dual w/e scimmys, or wop ss and I'll see who takes the mob down first, lol. Wop bows go for like 50k plat w/e goes for literally nothing

Add to all these above reasons that even while a few people may find them useful, they are plentiful and cheap.... the ones on the ah (if anyone bothers) are cheap cheap CHEAP, but as demonstrated above, most people vendor theirs to house D. Sorry desc, but yer still in my luck rank for pulling **** loot... :)

[500520]

My 15-20 crit range bowbarian loves yall for the cheap prices :).

[Boldrin]

My 15-20 crit range bowbarian loves yall for the cheap prices :).

Lol, bowbarian. Hope I never run with him. Bows are just too slow. For 20 seconds out of 2 minutes they're ok, but manyshot is still slower than twf for those 20 seconds. The other minute and 40 bows are worthless.

[Aranticus]

My 15-20 crit range bowbarian loves yall for the cheap prices :).

unfortunately thats with a silver bow

[Jay203]

i'll give you a large scale for both ONLY IF they're BOTH LONGBOWS :p

[ducetrae]

i agree with the bows being slow and those that party with me know i can hold my own in the melee department . but i still say for that 20 scs with my manyshot no melee can kill as many or as fast and my wop and the WOE is usefull maybee not as much as the wop but does come in handy and dps i dual lighning rapier tier 3 but no matter who it is with many shot i can do damage enough to take agro from anyone in about 2 shots so rangeing sucks but when on many shot it one of the best options for quick dps and wop bows for many mobs at once. melee is great i love it but when i can lkill 5 or 6 mobs before they run a few feet to me and hit me. thats much better than having to take them all at once and risk getting hit . also saves the rest of the party tohe hassle of fight all those mobs and the clerics mana.

[Jaysensen]

No one is questioning your playskill or your gear. But they ARE giving feedback that archery kinda just blows.

Bows just arent highly valuable. But I would say the W/E is worth almost nothing, and the W/P is about a scale.

[Fenrisulven6]

But they ARE giving feedback that archery kinda just blows.

Just curious how many shots a tweaked DDO bowman can get off in 30 secs? We shoot in RL, and our best guy can get off 12 well placed shots in 30 secs with a longbow.

[Solmage]

I gave my str-based ranger improved crit ranged because I had a spare feat and because he has a good dex too. Aside from being fun, there are times when it's simply more practical to shoot something. (F.ex when the blades close in, switching to many shot actually improves your DPS for 20 seconds if you can hit reliably)

I love my w/p bow on him.

I would say the w/p bow is worth about 1 scale. That's what you'd get in Sarlona based on recent bow sales, roughly. Perhaps a bit more to the right buyer. As for the weakening one, that I don't know.

[maddmatt70]

Lol, bowbarian. Hope I never run with him. Bows are just too slow. For 20 seconds out of 2 minutes they're ok, but manyshot is still slower than twf for those 20 seconds. The other minute and 40 bows are worthless.

I disagree manyshot is faster then twf.. My deleted archer would always pull aggro away from twf and for 20 secs could crush any mob. Of course the next 1:40 sec was about maintaining the status quo until I got those 20 seconds of heaven again.

[Junts]

Just curious how many shots a tweaked DDO bowman can get off in 30 secs? We shoot in RL, and our best guy can get off 12 well placed shots in 30 secs with a longbow.


bow burst is insane with manyshot but its 20 seconds every 2 mins, the rest of the time their rof is horrid.

the wop bow is probably worth 200k if its a longbow of some kind, is pretty nice (personally think weakening of punct is better with bows most of the time)

[ducetrae]

No one is questioning your playskill or your gear. But they ARE giving feedback that archery kinda just blows.

Bows just arent highly valuable. But I would say the W/E is worth almost nothing, and the W/P is about a scale.

yah ranging does suck thats why any one that wishes to use bows need to be strong enough to melee and hold there own. bows are situational and in my opinion that situation is only when manyshot is off timer lol. i hate to see a person using a bow and you know its not manyshot thats just not good

[Solmage]

Forgot to add: If I roll a character on Khyber, can I get all your w/p bows and repeaters donated to him? Hey, I'll offer you a full 10k per bow!

[Boldrin]

I disagree manyshot is faster then twf.. My deleted archer would always pull aggro away from twf and for 20 secs could crush any mob. Of course the next 1:40 sec was about maintaining the status quo until I got those 20 seconds of heaven again.

Faster than a twf tempest I find that hard to believe because of the number of attacks per round. I have a 14/2 ranger fighter. Use manyshot once in a while for certain situations, but the dps is not comparable. And I have a Holy greater lawful outsider bane bow. Then again I never pull out of the blades either. HPs are nice.

[Boldrin]

Forgot to add: If I roll a character on Khyber, can I get all your w/p bows and repeaters donated to him? Hey, I'll offer you a full 10k per bow!

Repeaters sell well here, bows don't :). I get well over a million plat for repeaters

[maddmatt70]

Faster than a twf tempest I find that hard to believe because of the number of attacks per round. I have a 14/2 ranger fighter. Use manyshot once in a while for certain situations, but the dps is not comparable. And I have a Holy greater lawful outsider bane bow. Then again I never pull out of the blades either. HPs are nice.

I would go into the shroud walk up to a lieutenant in part 2 by myself and with manyshot shoot the lieutanent. In 20 sec the lieutenant would be at 50% health. The next 1:40 I would do very little damage (the lieutenants get regeneration from other lieutenants). Archers do more dps for 20 secs then any melee build, but then they are far far behind a melee for the next 1:40.

[Mhykke]

I would go into the shroud walk up to a lieutenant in part 2 by myself and with manyshot shoot the lieutanent. In 20 sec the lieutenant would be at 50% health. The next 1:40 I would do very little damage (the lieutenants get regeneration from other lieutenants). Archers do more dps for 20 secs then any melee build, but then they are far far behind a melee for the next 1:40.

Yep, manyshot is bigger for its duration, no question.

[ducetrae]

Yep, manyshot is bigger for its duration, no question.

definately ., i think those that have not used manyshot dont know what it can do.

[sirgog]

WoP bows are easy to get a scale for. (+1 WoP bows are pretty bad on Str rangers who'd be better off by far with a +5 Wounding bow, but they still go for a lot).

Con damage bows are worth that because they are so good against foes you do NOT want to melee, such as air eles. If you don't want it tho, put it on the AH for 300k-400k PP, it'll sell (but maybe not on the first try)

No idea on WoE bows. Probably a lot less, as they are only good for twenty seconds every two minutes, and they are debuffers rather than killers.

[ducetrae]

boldrin if you have any wop bows i'll take them off your hands for 50kp apiece

[jmelanie7]

No one is questioning your playskill or your gear. But they ARE giving feedback that archery kinda just blows.

Bows just arent highly valuable. But I would say the W/E is worth almost nothing, and the W/P is about a scale.

It only blows if you STRICTLY use ranged.... If you can play intelligently, your ranger NEED to carry that kind of bows...You know, with a high spot, you can kill mobs before the barb can SEE it!!

[ducetrae]

so true and it is usually me with a bow that lights them up so others can see them.

[Boldrin]

boldrin if you have any wop bows i'll take them off your hands for 50kp apiece

Got one, use it once in a blue moon... Now if you need WoP rapiers.. I'm your Huckleberry :) I've given away bows quite a few times... lol

[Flippys]

Just curious how many shots a tweaked DDO bowman can get off in 30 secs? We shoot in RL, and our best guy can get off 12 well placed shots in 30 secs with a longbow.

Depending on the distance from the target, I would say an average of 10-12 shots would be fired in that 20 secs with a max of 14 or 15 if you were at point blank range.

[ducetrae]

Depending on the distance from the target, I would say an average of 10-12 shots would be fired in that 20 secs with a max of 14 or 15 if you were at point blank range.

range has nothing to do with rate of fire the character will continue to shoot the same rate weather the target is close or a mile away

[Aranticus]

Depending on the distance from the target, I would say an average of 10-12 shots would be fired in that 20 secs with a max of 14 or 15 if you were at point blank range.

on manyshot, a ranger with full BAB will get approx 5 shots per second for 20 seconds for approx 100 shots

sorry bold, a tempest doesnt come close during manyshot

[Boldrin]

on manyshot, a ranger with full BAB will get approx 5 shots per second for 20 seconds for approx 100 shots

sorry bold, a tempest doesnt come close during manyshot

8 or 9 attacks per round isn't close to that?? And thats constant, not for 20 seconds, throw in haste boost, and it's even more. Tempest with 20 second haste boost should out dps a ranger with manyshot. Having a lot more crits is one of the deciding factors

[Aranticus]

8 or 9 attacks per round isn't close to that?? And thats constant, not for 20 seconds, throw in haste boost, and it's even more. Tempest with 20 second haste boost should out dps a ranger with manyshot. Having a lot more crits is one of the deciding factors

1 round is approx 6 seconds, so 9 per round you are getting 20 attacks. there are situations where you use bow or melee. on my pure dex ranger, when facing a large group of mobs, i can take them down w/o the mobs even getting near. no one is saying ranged is uber. we are saying for that 20 seconds, range has the edge over melee

try running BAM, POP or any other quests where you have mobs in an area w/o gates etc. target the 1st mob you see, run all the way to the end, draggin 20 mobs and manyshot with a w/p. that is what imp precise shot is for. a tempest focus on 1 mob. a "ranger" will do the same on 20

[gfunk]

I recently sold a +2 w/p longbow on sarlona for 900k plat on the AH, but I would say I got pretty lucky with that. Typically I see them listed and (I believe) selling for around 500k plat (coincidently about what large scales are going for). Shortbows seem to go for alot less, I would say in the 250k range is pretty typical. Weakening enfeebling go for qutie a bit less, maybe fetching 50 to 100k on a good day. I would say a scale for both is pretty fair.. maybe a bit light. 2 scales is probably too much.

On a side note...
Both the w/e and the w/p are good weapons, but are very situational. I use them strictly while manyshoting and then put them away (except for in reaver where i use the w/p quite a bit on ele's). They are quite useful in the subterrane for taking out beholders at a distance (which is quite useful, as you can kill beholders before your zerging party-mates run up and get level drained). I actually use a weakening of puncturing bow for the beholders (i believe it to be superior due to the beholders low str.. you get autocrit when they are reduced to 0 str so the puncturing effect on many shot kills them nearly instantly)

[Boldrin]

1 round is approx 6 seconds, so 9 per round you are getting 20 attacks. there are situations where you use bow or melee. on my pure dex ranger, when facing a large group of mobs, i can take them down w/o the mobs even getting near. no one is saying ranged is uber. we are saying for that 20 seconds, range has the edge over melee

try running BAM, POP or any other quests where you have mobs in an area w/o gates etc. target the 1st mob you see, run all the way to the end, draggin 20 mobs and manyshot with a w/p. that is what imp precise shot is for. a tempest focus on 1 mob. a "ranger" will do the same on 20

Guess it really depends on the build and the gear then. I would never think of using a bow for normal situations. I break out the wop bow for air ellies and thats it.

[Jay203]

Guess it really depends on the build and the gear then. I would never think of using a bow for normal situations. I break out the wop bow for air ellies and thats it.

so you should give it to me, i actually make archers :D:D:D:D

[stalksdeath]

8 or 9 attacks per round isn't close to that?? And thats constant, not for 20 seconds, throw in haste boost, and it's even more. Tempest with 20 second haste boost should out dps a ranger with manyshot. Having a lot more crits is one of the deciding factors

Also just a note..... (while agreeing that ranged manyshot has the edge) .... you may ALSO use the haste boost while in manyshot ;) And yeah i find it useful to pop out of the blades and light im up with manyshot particularly if you arent swathed in HP and its a'laggin in there.... we all love those nights when we're fighting, see in text that we have died, and 20 seconds later our health drops to zero from 400-500... lol

[Boldrin]

so you should give it to me, i actually make archers :D:D:D:D

Gimp!!! lol

[Jay203]

Gimp!!! lol

i prefer the term "support role" :cool::cool::cool:

[Boldrin]

i prefer the term "support role" :cool::cool::cool:

I have a support role guy too....my cleric. lol

[Jay203]

I have a support role guy too....my cleric. lol

so in your definition, your cleric is gimp? ;)

[Boldrin]

so in your definition, your cleric is gimp? ;)

Ain't that the truth!!! Ask the guys on that elite Shroud with me, lol.